WEBVTT - Creators of 'Summer Love' unpack the new series! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.840 TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.880 guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.760 this podcast, I go behind the scenes with the biggest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.319 players in television. Each episode you will get a front 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:19.040 row seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors, 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.079 and casting agents, plus the talent that we see on 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.680 our screens. TV Reload reloads the shows that you are 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.600 currently watching and gives you a better insight into our 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.720 television industry and our streaming services. Today on the podcast, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.920 I am so excited to have a chat with Robin 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.360 Butler and Wayne Hope. They have been a creative duo 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.479 on a couple of shows which I have absolutely loved. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.800 Google their IMDb as I'm sure you've loved their back 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.080 catalog two. They are here to discuss their latest project, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.080 Some a Love on the ABC and I'm thrilled to 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.760 be unpacking this fantastic news series with them both. Some 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.040 Love sees eight very different sets of people rent the 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.800 same Airbnb at different times along the Great Ocean Road, 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.760 capturing the collision between the dreamy enchantment of the beach 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.080 and the clumsy reality of humans on holiday. There are 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.720 so many relatable moments in this series for anyone who's 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.040 ever taken a holiday with their mates, their partner, themselves. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.399 Basically eight different denominations of potential disasters wrapped up in 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.880 the warmth of the idealistic setting for the perfect holiday. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.440 This show makes you feel seen. You will totally relate 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.480 to one or more stories, but ultimately you will commiserate 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.280 and laugh and have a few talking points with your 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.160 friends and family the next time you see them. The 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.440 acting is delicious, the team of writers is outstanding, and 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.520 the music is the fitting bow that ties this phenomenal 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.080 series together. It does launch this Wednesday, but by the 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.400 time you hear this podcast, no doubt you will be 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.040 able to catch the first episode on iView. We discuss 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.480 why Wayne and Robin love the ABC, how the show 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.080 was born, whether I am crazy with my whiteloatus reference points, 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.840 and if you can actually rent this mind blowing Airbnb 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.000 in real life. However, let's get started with today's guests. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.080 I'd like to welcome Robin Butler and Wayne Hope to 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:14.000 TV Reload. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.560 Inevitably, human beings get together and go you know, oh yes, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.639 it's great and lovely, but you shit me a bit. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:23.320 One beach House. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.240 I was here first. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.480 I think there's a similar sense of bubbling turbulence. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.399 Eight Love Stories. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.200 I love you. I'm so glad you said that it 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.079 will be worked very hard on the aesthetic. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.240 Sit back and relax. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:41.880 You'll be glad you came. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.400 It was very important for us not to speak for everybody. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.080 So All Love Stat's August thirty one on EBCTV and 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.200 on EBC. I here. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.160 Those stories are coming from different perspectives, but that's another 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:56.400 thing that ties them together. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.480 Hi, Robin and Wayne, how are you both excellent? 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:00.000 Thank you? 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.680 Then I have to say some of Love is fantastic. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.680 Are you excited for audiences to finally see it? 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.040 Well, I'm excited that you've seen it. With that response, 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:10.720 that's for sure. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.000 They all think that. Then yes, please. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.760 I think there's something, particularly having developed the project in 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:23.280 lockdown mostly and across the pandemic, that to feel come 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.000 out the other side of that feels particularly gratifying and exciting. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.399 And yes, so we are excited. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.600 I feel like it's a bit like an Australian white 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.720 lotus in some ways, mixed with some round the twist. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:38.600 I don't know if. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.280 I'd love to pitch that to a network as a thing. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.760 It's white loadus with Round the Twist, and just to 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.560 see the response on potential buyers faces when they hear 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.240 that no old will take that. I think the obvious 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.080 Round the Twist references because it is the same lighthouse 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.840 that appears in the show in the show's opening tired 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.760 and within the house that we set the holiday house 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.720 that the series is set in, you can see out 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.360 one side of the house you can see the lighthouse. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:09.840 On the hill, which is the lighthouse from a Round 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.200 the Twist for people who might not know Arias inlet 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.720 you know, was where they filmed Around the Twist over 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.800 many different seasons of that, which did one of you, well, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.719 what if you in Round the Twist? Or am I 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:21.400 making that up? 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.080 You're not making that. I was Ronnie the Rat in 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.680 Around the Twist three hundred and fifty five years ago. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.279 I have fun memories of going down there and shooting 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.560 and getting up and being on set, having breakfast on 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.400 the cliff face as the sun came up over the ocean, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.159 and I thought, what a gig this is? Yeah, And 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.720 we got to do that every day and Summer Love 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.560 is have the same experience, which was magical. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.960 Well, maybe I'm tapping into that, Maybe I'm tapping into 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.719 a past experience, and maybe some a love has nothing 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.560 to do with Round the Twist at all, you know. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.040 But you know, the White Lotus thing for me was 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.720 sometimes the music at times had the dry to sort 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.800 of build tension in the same way that that happened 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.760 in Whiteladus. So I wondered whether or not was there 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.920 any inspiration or have I just completely made that up. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:08.680 There's no correlation. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.159 We've written o as before we saw Whiteloadus obviously, but 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.920 we absolutely loved and we are obsessed with Mike White 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:19.880 as well, which. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.919 Is assessed everything he does he. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.520 Does, from School of Rock to Enlightened Like it's just 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.080 he's just so incredible. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.839 And shares we think. No often you watch other international 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.880 artists and you go, I'd love to have them over 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.440 for dinner, even though you can't, but there's something in 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.320 their work that you sense. I think we get along, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.560 and we've always pictured that he'd be one of those 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.400 people that we should be having for dinner. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:43.440 But I think you're. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:48.080 I think there's a similar sense of bubbling turbulence that 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.320 happens when you are away from home, that things come 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.440 to the surface. I mean, obviously in White Loatus there's 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.080 a lot of staff involved there as well, that things 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.400 are bubbling to the surface therefore, but I think White 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.560 Lotuses kind of darker than our show, but we certainly 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.360 don't shy away from dark elements, I. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.080 Guess, and you picking up on the soundtrack, it was 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.360 definitely a conversation we had with our composer, Craig Pilkington, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.000 who's been the composer on all of our or nearly 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.560 all of our work over the years, as an example 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.680 of how dominant the soundtrack is in White Lotus and 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.360 how much of a feature of the drama it is. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.479 And I really liked that, and we would talk with 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.919 Craig about that that rather than a traditional comedy which 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.080 may just have tags at the end of the scene 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.599 into the next scene, which is the traditional way to 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.400 kind of loop you through, something we talk about some 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:48.480 I love having more of a sustained soundtrack throughout, which 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.240 came with the idea too that often when you're having 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.719 your summer holiday, you often play music a lot in 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.360 the holiday house, you read books, you play music, you 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.720 have this experience that you don't have time for during 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.640 the year, and so we thought the soundtrack should be 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.839 quite present throughout the show. So glad you picked up 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:07.120 on that. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.400 But also the soundtrack did have there was a real 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.520 warmth to it as well, So like whilst whiteladus used 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.640 the drums to build tension, which I think you've leaned 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.040 into a little bit. You know, there is a warmth 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.160 that comes from the composer who put this music together. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.200 It was a feature. It's something you walk away from 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.240 the show and you kind of remember the music. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.960 I'm so glad you've you've said that, And we won't 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.160 tell Craig because it goes straight to his head. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:32.720 He's not good with. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.400 Compliments, so we're going to keep We'll just keep that 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.520 to ourselves and everybody listening if you could keep that 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.160 to yourself. But no, his work is just beautiful in 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.040 this and it's and it also the other reason I 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.360 think it's important is because it is a unifying sound 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.880 for the series when you keep needing to you need 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.360 that connectivity all the time between the episodes to make 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.600 it the same show, to make sure people are watching 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.160 the same show. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:57.680 Each week. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.960 Yeah, I think it does. It pulls the tapestry toga, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.640 which is great. This isn't a podcast just about music. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.840 By the way, We're now going to go into something else. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.720 That's good because I'm out. That's all I. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.680 Got tapped out. I've tapped out. Where did this idea 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.960 come from? Because I mean, I'm a big fan of 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 a lot of your work, and tonally, there's some elements 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.160 that you know is always a part of the creative 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.920 that you guys put together. But for this show, where 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.000 did this idea come from? 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:26.640 It was born out of the dark and gloomy Lockdown 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.600 in twenty twenty, the first one and when, and I 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.160 think have been moving just tonally a little bit into 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.600 different areas. We still love we still want to make 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.920 hard comedies and do that kind of end of the spectrum, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.040 but we also have been. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.520 Moving into drama. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.560 The thing we were working on at the beginning of 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.960 twenty twenty was quite complex and quite dark, and after 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.240 a couple of months, we just felt it was just 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.880 not what we wanted to be working on, and we 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.400 didn't think anybody would want to be watching it either 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:58.240 at the end. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.240 Of this period, and so so. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.480 I had come up with this idea of an anthology 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.280 set in a holiday house twenty four years ago. That 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.720 was basically just the bones of it, just different people 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.960 hire the house, and probably we all acted in it 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.720 and took turns in playing the parts of the different visitors, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.240 and we said, why don't we just think about that again, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.760 Let's think about some warmth and hope, and if it 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.719 weren't for the pandemic, we wouldn't have brought this show. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:25.480 Back to life. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.080 No, And then putting on top of that, if we 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.559 have an overarching theme of love, is that sits within 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.959 all of these stories. So for those that don't know, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.080 it's eight episodes set in a holiday house. Each episode 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.520 somebody different high as the house and with a theme 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.760 of love, which could be anything. It could be sisters, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.480 it could be friendship groups coming together, that could be romantic, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.040 could be however that takes place. And we really liked 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.760 that and felt like, yeah, that's something. As soon as 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.280 Robin said it, I thought, oh, that's a show I'd 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.600 love to watch. And that's a good feeling when you're 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.000 creating something that you feel like it just often can 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.600 happen with us. Is that when we start talking about 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.840 an idea, we either get enthusiastic really quickly, which is 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.839 a great sign to go, oh, that's something I want 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.000 to be involved in. I want to spend the next 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.920 two or three years, you know, rolling that around in 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.000 our heads and spending devoting time to So it was 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.440 from there really that from that we went, yeah, this 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.040 is great, and we started seeing the Sherbet songs straight 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:26.559 away some. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.720 Love that's music again. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.760 And the other important thing I think, Ben was that 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.960 we had an opportunity to put different voices into the 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.520 show and different perspectives. And the thing that we really 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.480 love about the idea that I love twenty four years 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.280 ago was the idea of the visitor's book And who 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.720 are all these people who stay in the place that 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.280 you're staying in, But they've got a completely different set 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.560 of circumstances and backgrounds and personalities and everything else. What's 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.959 their version of living here? And it just felt like 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.800 a really appropriate time to say, what's in zen Hussey's 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.360 experience of the beach? It all felt symmetrical, didn't Yeah? 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.960 Absolutely? I mean the humor, I mean it is a dramaedy, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.160 and so it is a drama comedy, and I mean 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.400 you really do laugh out loud as much as there's 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.000 some awkward tension that gets created and some fantastic performances. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.400 But I felt like the humor is so accessible and 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.040 so accurate for our time. I guess is that the 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.000 goal that you were trying to do was you were 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.160 trying to reflect or give someone, give everybody something that 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:27.880 they felt seen by. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.520 Absolutely that was and not only that, but feel ultimately 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.720 some form of connection within that. You know, That's what 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.280 we're interested in, is people, even if it is dramatic 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.360 or it is painful emotionally, people are ultimately connecting. Those 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.120 stories are coming from different perspectives, but that's another thing 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:48.160 that ties them together. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.360 You might feel seen, but I might not know what 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.400 that experience of you that you're connecting to is. But 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.720 I'm getting an insight into that. I'm feeling like, oh, 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.679 I'd did't know that. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.040 Was the way life was for you. I didn't know. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:06.280 That was privilege. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.320 It was an absolute privilege to sit down and work 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.520 with the different writers to kind of go, what do 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.440 you want to talk about? And our special skill I 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.880 think as sort of story editors and showrunners across it 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:18.839 was to be able. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.520 To go that's interesting what you're saying. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.240 But I think the thing that you're trying to actually 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.200 talk about here that we're going to bring to the 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.839 front here is this thing and being able to help 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:35.000 guide their points of view to the front, you know, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.920 which it was fascinating for us, wasn't it. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.560 We loved that part of the process. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.679 I feel like the show really unpacks the way in 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.640 which we currently struggle to be normal when interacting with 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:46.560 people socially. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:47.400 That's interesting. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:48.840 It's a really interesting take. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.400 I mean, we also thought that it's embedded in the 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.440 idea too, is that holidays hold such high hopes for 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.360 us all like it is our we pin our hopes 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.280 on these times times. You know, in January, I've booked 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.280 a house for three weeks and you know, my friends 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.280 are coming down and it's going to be the best, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.240 and the weather's going to be unreal, and I'm going 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.440 to be skinny, and we're going to eat well and 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.880 it's going to like the steaks just go up and 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.240 up and up, and of course we're human and it's 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.720 not going to be that utopia. And in some ways, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.160 going to what you said about the awkwardness there, that's 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.600 what comes with you know, when the stakes are so 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.320 high that inevitably human beings get together and go, you know, oh, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.360 yes it's great and lovely, but you ship me a 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.720 bit and we have to talk about that. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.679 And I think that's that's true, particularly after the pandemic, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.400 because the steaks couldn't be high. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.959 You're putting so much into it. I remember we had. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.080 One Zoom with Cody Bedford and Beyond Stuart, who have 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.360 written Charlie and Zeke one of the episodes, which is gorgeous, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.440 but we were laughing together because we were all sharing stories. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.640 When we go on a holiday, we get an AIRB 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.920 and B or something and you walk in and you go, well, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.920 this isn't as good as the picture, and of course 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.120 you know, half an hour lady, you go, of course 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.080 it is. It's wonderful, it's fantastic. But the stakes are 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.960 you know, impossibly impossibly high. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.160 But also in life, you know, we plan a holiday 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.480 and then we run over our own dog on day one. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.800 You know, you can't foresee the mentalness that happens in 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.760 our lives, do you know what I mean? Like we 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.120 just want to plan a to B and that it 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.880 never works out like that. It's the perfect setting for 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.680 people to behave selfishly. If you ask me, you know, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.960 an upmarket seaside rental where you know, sort of compromise 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.560 and common ground are. Ultimately it's a two way streak. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.160 I think it's it's a breeding ground for some really 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:40.800 unusual stories. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:41.880 So I think that's. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:46.480 A really interesting observation too, because you have you behave differently, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.240 and that's one of the attractions to the concept you 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.120 behave differently when you sort of feel like no one 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:58.000 is watching or Yeah, there's an anonymity that comes with 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.720 going away, And it's interesting what you're saying that we 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.280 felt like too. There's a real pressure in that half 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:10.560 hour standalone episode for something to happen because you can't 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.400 just have the one where they go to the holiday house. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.400 We don't know who these people are. We don't know 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.680 who they are, so you have to set them up, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.600 set their dilemma, up set their expectations, thwart their expectations, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.960 and then solve them, give them some kind of resolution, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.080 whether it be a happy one or a melancholy one. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.520 But there's a lot of pressure to sort of give 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.560 to make an event happen really in the episode. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.320 But you do, and it's in thirty minutes, Like that's 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.200 what I loved. I mean, it was just it's one 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.040 of those shows where I feel like I've got to 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.200 rewatch that scene where Sybylla Budd says this or that 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.000 look that Stephen Curry has. Just so much of it 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:48.960 is rewatchable. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.600 It's complex, it has to be complex, So I think 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.640 there's something in that. There's a lot of depth. Can 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.720 we just take a moment, though, to talk about Sybylla Bud. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.920 How funny and wonderful is she? 0:15:59.280 --> 0:15:59.480 Oh? 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.800 My god? Talk about he says, we're obsessed with her? 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.720 But how different was this character to Gabrielle who we 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.840 knew from Secret Life of Us, who we felt like 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.560 we had ownership over because that character really lifted back 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.200 in the day. So she's in the zeitgeist as that 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.680 character and for so many people. I mean, I've seen 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.520 her at the MTC Theater productions, and you know, I've 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.800 been in Sybilla Bud's audience as we all have, but 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.360 more so for me as a bit of a super fan. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.720 She was really different and she was really funny. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.360 We had the gorgeous feeling we'd never worked with her before, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.600 and we had that feeling when she walked on set, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.480 was like we've just known her forever. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.480 It's just one of those things. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.120 Yeah, it was so good. What you said too about 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.320 watching them, watching them through, because one of the big 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.000 challenges with an anthology is you are starting a new 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.520 story each week, and you do need to The challenge 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.920 is I know these characters, I'm coming back next week 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.000 to see them. You're trying to get people to come 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:01.520 back to something, to a feeling. It's quite a challenge, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.040 and our thing was to get the tone of the 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.840 show somehow feeling the same each time, even though the 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.680 stories are different, the characters are different, there's an overall 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.040 feeling that you'll have or an experience that we'll feel like, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.440 I want to do another one because they feel satisfying 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.600 in the same way. So you know, you're the I 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.280 think one of the first people to say you kept watching. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:25.600 So that's music to our ears. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.359 It's like buying a six pack of beer as far 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.359 as I'm concerned, because I have one, and then I 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.520 drank them all when I was drunk. So I'm hoping 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:35.600 that that's how. 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.679 Our quote on the poster, What did you make of 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.879 Luke and Olie that episode written by Nath Valvo and 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:44.680 Jade Masureley. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.000 Well, I love nath Valvo's writing. I love his comedy, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.800 and I could feel his comedy in it. And the 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.119 weird thing was that I didn't know that he was 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.760 writing for the show. I hadn't done the research, so 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.880 it wasn't until I spoke to a friend of Todd 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.000 Abbots who said to me, oh, you know that Nathan 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.240 wrote the gay episode. And I was like, I thought 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.400 of him, like I thought of that humor. This is surreal, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.879 So well done to him and being able to have 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.680 his magic transcend into this format. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.440 There's a couple of things for people listening. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.680 It's, you know, a gay couple are kind of struggling 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:22.280 with societal expectations of what they're supposed to be as 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.000 a gay couple, who they're supposed to be as a 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.360 gay couple. But I think, what we strove to do. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.760 We thought, you know, we have a Muslim episode, and 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.439 we have an episode. We have two Aboriginal writers written 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.840 episodes written that came out clumsily. We have two episodes 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.800 written by Aboriginal writers, and it was very important for 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.199 us not to speak for everybody when we wrote those things. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.879 You know, the gay episode is not supposed to speak 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.840 for all gay people. It's two characters who are gay 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.679 and they are experiencing this moment in their life. And 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.920 that's a very, very important because otherwise we're really undermining 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.320 the diversity that we're trying to achieve by saying we've 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.120 done it, guys, We've just we've spoken for everybody, We've 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.720 ticked everybody, everybody's boxes. It's not that they're just characters 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.359 who perhaps aren't represented on television in the way that 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:17.480 they should be. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:18.199 You know. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.800 But it's interesting Miranda Tapsul has written an episode which 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.199 is so far away, so different from what Cody Bedford 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.960 and Beyond Stewart have written in their episode. It's just like, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.640 because they're all just writers with imaginations and things to say, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.560