1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Ash. We are here to give the listeners cheeky little 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: bonus episode today. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: Oh I love that and Matt. Today we have none 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: other the Matilda superstar Katrina Gory. I'm super excited for 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: this one. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: How the hell did you get her details? 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Never you mind? 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: How'd you do? Honestly? 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Tell me on the weasel Yeah, schmooze, my smooth. All 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: I did was I reached out to her. I played 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: our case. I played what we. 12 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Have here on Instagram or Instagram is what's your opening line? 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: Sup? 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: One p or two three piece soup up. 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: I just went in with an honest approach to asking 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: someone if they would love to jump on and have 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: a yarn about parenting. And she so happens to have 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: a very unique story. 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: You've done well. Katrina or she's also known as Minnie, 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: is joining us all the way from Sweden. 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: Katrina is the doting mother to three year old Harp 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: who you may remember Matt from the World Cup that 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: was in Australia in two thousand and three, which captivated 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: the nation. It was a pivotal moment in Australian sport 25 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: and they have changed the game forever. Got to be 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: a part of it. So I'm pumped for this one. 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: I love it when you get passionate about sport. 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: Passionate. I just love sport. We also talk about how 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: she became pregnant with Harper, which is a little bit 30 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: left of field. 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: It is very left of field. It's an IVF journey, 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: but it's unique in that she was a single parent 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: and that process took place over in Norway. But now 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: her partner Clara, they are expecting their second baby any 35 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: second now. She may or may not give birth in 36 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: the podcast episode, I don't want to give it away. 37 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: I got to tease it just in case it happens. 38 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: You'll see what happens. She doesn't give birth in the 39 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: episode in case I don't want to just manage expectations. Here, 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum. 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm Maddie j Ash. 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: I'm known as Harper's mum, but also Katrina Gory. 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: Very good. 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good, 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: the bad, and the relatable. And if you have come 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: wanting any advice, stop right now. 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: Actually, whenever we have a guess, we get some accidental advice. 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like Katrina you've had a really insane 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: parenting journey. So I feel like you will give us 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: some advice today. 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Let's hope. 52 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: So, but no pressure. 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I don't know about that. I don't know 54 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: about that. She's alive, that's the main thing. 55 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Perfect, Perfect, Katrina. If we go back to when you 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: were a young kid, when you were beginning your career 57 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: as a ballet dancer, it was a short lived career. 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember how many lessons you had? This is 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: before you started playing football. 60 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, probably about none. You wouldn't get me in 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: the dress or the shoes or anything else. 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: I thought your mom forced you into lessons. 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, she probably did, but I probably didn't go or 64 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: I went and hit in the toilet, or just wasn't you. 65 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: Maybe I stood on the floor at one point. But yeah, 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: I've just raised up from my memory. 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: And you've got quite a few siblings. Can you just 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: run us through how many siblings you've got? 69 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: I do so. I have a sister, three brothers, three 70 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: step brothers, and a half brother. 71 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: Wow. Must have been a lively household. 72 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: Yes, it was pretty crazy, but we had a good childhood. 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, always someone to muck around with, always someone 74 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: to beat up or have a bit of a chuckle with. 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: But no, it was yeah, we had a great childhood. 76 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: It was your brothers that got you into playing football 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: or soccer. For those wonderings, did they love that their 78 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: little sister was wanting to follow in their footsteps? 79 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: I think bits and pieces. I hated when I beat them, 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: they hated when I probably, you know, progressed a bit 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: more than what they did. But they probably know that 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: they taught me everything I knew about football and made 83 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: me the player that I was, So I think they 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 3: take a bit of responsibility for that. 85 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: I think, I think and outside of you know, playing 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: football soccer at a young age, what sort of kid 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: were you? Would you say? Were you a troublemaker? Were 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: you you follow all the rules? Were you the class clown? 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: Where did you fare? 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Was there was a big side something, something's happened. 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: I definitely wasn't a goodiew issues that was, yeah, I 92 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: was probably out of all the kids, probably one of 93 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: the bad ones, A bit of a class clown. Would 94 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: like to push boundaries, a bit, hated being told what 95 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: to do. 96 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: How many times did you get separated from your friends 97 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: in the classroom? 98 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: We probably weren't even allowed to sit together to start this. 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: Do you remember was there a was there a moment 100 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: where you realized that you were actually getting a lot 101 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: better than the rest of your brothers playing football? 102 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, probably. I mean when I was a teenager, 103 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: I got selected for quite a few teams. Obviously it's 104 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: a bit harder for the boys, but they kind of 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: fell out of love with the game. My older brothers did, anyway, 106 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: and so I guess I still loved it a bit 107 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: more than they did and kept on progressing. And I 108 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: actually got kicked out of one of my teams because 109 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: I had a bad attitude. So I think that kind 110 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: of made me want to, you know, work a bit 111 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: harder and yeah, be a bit better. 112 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: When you look back, do you think you did have 113 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: a bad attitude or are you hard done by? 114 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: No? I mean probably. But I was like thirteen, so 115 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: I made it into the QAS team and it's with like, 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: I mean, most of them were national team players. So 117 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: between twenty and thirty years old and obviously thirteen year old, 118 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: I didn't know how to act. Yeah, I didn't know 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: how to act. I didn't want football to be that serious. 120 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: I just wanted to have fun. That probably did have 121 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: a bad attitude, but I probably didn't know what it 122 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: meant to be a professional football. 123 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: Every thirteen year old had a bad attitude. Ye let 124 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: that one. I'm slide. We let that one's slink. I 125 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: think you probably weren't hard done by You're probably they 126 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 2: were probably trying to teach you a bit of a lesson, 127 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: like a life lesson, which is but that's such a 128 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: big age gap. I mean me, growing up playing football 129 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: or soccer, I would be a male. I would come 130 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: up against teams and there would be the odd female. 131 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: I mean you must look back now and think such 132 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: a big shift. Were you playing in teams as a kid, 133 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: you know, as the lone girl in the in the team? 134 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, my whole junior So I played up until I 135 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: was thirteen with the boys, and I loved it. I 136 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: thought it was most teams that I went to they 137 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: were really accepting when they saw that I could play. 138 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: They always had my back. If you know, one of 139 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 3: the opponents weren't very nice or was saying some pretty 140 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: harsh things. So that was really nice. And yeah, for 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: the most part, I was the only female. Pretty nice 142 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: to go back to my old club and see how many, 143 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 3: you know, grassroots girls things there are now because it's 144 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: changed massively. 145 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: So who was your idol back then? Who did you 146 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: look up to? 147 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: Everyone asked me that. To be honest, I never really 148 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: watched football or anything like that. I'd say probably Kathy 149 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: Freeman out of anyone, just because of you know, what 150 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: she did for Australia. But yeah, I didn't really what. 151 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: I still don't watch the English Premier League and I 152 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: live in London. Literally, you know, everyone's talking about the 153 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: games and I had no idea. I think they're talking 154 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: about the women's games, but no, I just never really 155 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: watched it. It was only when I got pregnant that 156 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: I started watching more football. 157 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: Do you do you think was it a coach, was 158 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: it you know, your mum? Or was it just maturity 159 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: that that shifted that bad attitude when you were thirteen? 160 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: It was probably, to be fair, getting kicked out of 161 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: the team. I think. You know, when something's taken away 162 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: from you really realize how much you actually wanted. And 163 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: I remember being in tears and just like feeling like 164 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: my world just being taken away. So I probably I 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: worked a bit harder and when I got another opportunity 166 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: I tried to take it with both hands, So yeah, 167 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: it probably helped me. 168 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: In the long run, for sure, there's that lesson learned. 169 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: I was talking about it, but yeah, it obviously lit 170 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: a fire in your in your belly, and it's obviously 171 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: led to where you are now. But in those early 172 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: days where you were a professional football player, do you 173 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: remember what it was like getting that call that you're 174 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: getting accepted or getting getting asked to play for the 175 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: national team. Do you remember that that moment. 176 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was over in Canada, so it was my 177 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: first overseas team, semi pro team, and my coach at 178 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: the time had said that I'd been in the preliminary squad, 179 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: and then a couple of days later told me that 180 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: I'd made the squad, And yeah, I guess it was 181 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 3: just a really proud moment. I remember calling my mom. 182 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: I was probably in tears. She was over I think 183 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: in France at the time, and quickly rebooked their flights 184 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: to come be with me in Japan to watch me debut. 185 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 3: I don't think I really touched the ball, I just 186 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: chase shadows, but it was still still a special moment for. 187 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Sure, when your coach tells you is it just like, oh, 188 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: and by the way, you've made the Australian squad or 189 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: is it like did they make it a big deal? 190 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that it's about to come the news. 191 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they made it a big deal because at 192 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: the time I was probably one of the only ones 193 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: in the team playing for their national team. So yeah, 194 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: the girls were super pumped for me. So he made 195 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: it pretty special with what he had. But yeah, it's 196 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: definitely a moment you'd never forget. 197 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: And then how does it work with Like I always wondered, 198 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: when you get the news how you're going to play 199 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: for Australia, when do you start getting your kit? 200 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 2: Do they do they ship it out to you? You've 201 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: got to go and get it. 202 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: As soon as you get into Kent. They've got like 203 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: a big kit room, so they give you stacks of 204 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: different shirts and shorts. 205 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: Us feel like a childhood dream to go into the 206 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: kit room of the of like the national football team 207 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: and being like, you know, okay, we'll get to pick 208 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: whatever you want. It was all I suppose, like every 209 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: kid who plays any sport would have that dream of 210 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: imagine that moment. 211 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: I remember like going home when I was a kid 212 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: and I like put everything on before game day. Did 213 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: you have any sleep in it? Did you have anything 214 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: like that when you're like, they don't. 215 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: Let us even see our jerseys before we head into 216 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: the games. 217 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: Have a bunch of people sleeping in them. 218 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but it was nice just even walking around 219 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: in you know, casual shirts that say have the Australian 220 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: and them on them and stuff like that. It's definitely 221 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: pretty special, but yeah, even more special to put the 222 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: jersey on for the first time. For sure, females, it's 223 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: changed a lot now because like from what we got 224 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: back then to what we have now was just completely different. 225 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: Like I think I was still paying for my own 226 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 3: boots back then. 227 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow, what? Yeah. 228 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: I think it's only been in probably the last couple 229 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: of years that you'd find most national team players are 230 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: now fully sponsored. But yeah, I was. I mean I 231 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: was finding it hard to find boots because my shoes 232 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 3: my feet are so small. 233 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: So what size shoe if you don't mind me asking? 234 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 3: Five? 235 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: Relax? 236 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: Sorry? 237 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: Wow. 238 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's only recently that they've actually started making 239 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: that women's boots so they go down to that size. 240 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: So it is that because of yourself? 241 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: Have you been pie. 242 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if I can claim it, but I'm 243 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: sure a lot of girls are in my We not 244 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: have the biggest feet, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, I 245 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: take it. I called like myself and I said, look, 246 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: I need more some size. 247 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember back then, obviously female sport. It's changed 248 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: so much. Football in Australia has changed so much since 249 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: the World Cup. Do you remember back then when you 250 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: were playing, Like, how many people would you get to 251 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: attend a game? 252 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: Oh? Probably like maybe four or five thousand. It wasn't 253 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: often that we even played in the show to be fair, 254 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: let alone, Yeah, in a big stadium or anything. I 255 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: think the first time we got twenty thousand, and it 256 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: was in Sydney and I think it might have been 257 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: around twenty fifteen. Wow. 258 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: And what about when you were playing club level? 259 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Oh, you'd get a few hundred in there maybe, Yeah, for. 260 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: Like a Brisbane raw game. It seems crazy that. I mean, 261 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: now it's it's you know, it's very different, but back 262 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: then it's like what like that just a few hundred 263 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: people in such a big stadium like that just seems 264 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: crazy to me. 265 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Is it a difficult adjustment then to playing in front 266 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: of not just hundreds, but then thousands of people. 267 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: No, it's incredible, Like seeing the national anthem with so 268 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: many people, and like just hearing the atmosphere constantly throughout 269 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: the game is just Yeah, it just takes you to 270 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: a new level. Like it doesn't matter how hard you're hurting, 271 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: if you can hear people yelling you're still running. 272 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild. 273 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: There, It's incredible. It's crazy. 274 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: There was a time that I read during your early 275 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: career started to lose a bit of love for the game. 276 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: Is pre becoming a mom. I mean, did you just 277 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: one day decide that this is not for me? Or 278 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: was it gradual? 279 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably gradual. Like I mean, I'm a massive family 280 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: person that my family's my life, and just living away 281 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: like athlete life it seems so cool, but living away 282 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: and constantly missing you know, different events that are happening. 283 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: You know, hard times at your family going through and 284 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: you can't really be there for them. I'm a bit 285 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: of the glue in the family. And like my brother 286 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: went through, you know, ten years of drug addiction and 287 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: I just felt like I couldn't help him and he 288 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: was going into rehab. At the time, I was in 289 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: Japan and I just felt so helpless and I kind 290 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: of just really spiled and it was almost into an 291 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 3: eating disorder because that was something that I can control 292 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 3: back then. So then had a real issue around food, 293 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 3: around body image, and you know, being an athlete, you 294 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 3: think you're strong, can get through anything. But you know, 295 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: it took me four years to get out of that cycle. 296 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: Like I was still you know, I was still playing 297 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: in the national team, I was still playing at Brisbane, 298 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: but most days I couldn't get out of bed and 299 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't see, you know, the light at the end 300 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: of the tunnel. It just felt so heavy all the time. 301 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until like I got pregnant that that 302 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: all changed. Really. 303 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: I guess I'm very fortunate, like most men are, we 304 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: don't struggle with our body image anywhere near as much 305 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: as women do. And as a father to two girls, 306 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, I often wonder what it's going to be 307 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: like for them when they start growing up. Right now 308 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: they're five and three, but when they're teenagers, what kind 309 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: of struggles wuld they face. When you think back to 310 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: when you were struggling with your body image, was there 311 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: anything in particular that contributed to that. 312 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: I mean, it was probably right the rise in you know, 313 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: the people that were looking at football. You know, being 314 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: an athlete, you always need to you know, be strong, 315 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: be ready to play at any point in time. And 316 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: I think it was obviously when social media got bigger 317 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: and bigger that it was kind of like you started 318 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: comparing yourself to you know, different footballers. You know, if 319 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: I looked like this, maybe I could be a better footballer. 320 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: So it kind of probably you know, started when football 321 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: kind of really took off, and also social media as well. 322 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: And so then who helped you get through that? 323 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: I eventually, like I started confiding in some of my 324 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: you know, family and my close friends and just you know, 325 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: speaking about it. I started speaking to a psychologist quite often, 326 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: which yeah, you know, you'd walk into a session and 327 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: you'd think, you know, I'm not going to tell her anything. 328 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to her, and yeah, at the 329 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: end of it, it's just like word vomit and you 330 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: walk out and you're like, I didn't want to tell 331 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: her all about it all comes out. 332 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: I have a way of just you know, sometimes I 333 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: don't say anything and you're like. 334 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, this has happened. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think, 335 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: I mean, everyone could see that I was struggling, but 336 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, people are worried about asking 337 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: the question because I don't really know how to actually 338 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: be there for someone. But you know, I just needed 339 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: people to talk to and to know that I was 340 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: going through it. And after I started doing that, you know, 341 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: the weight who lifted and I felt like, you know, 342 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: I had people to support me. I had people to 343 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: get me through, and you know, it got easier and easier, 344 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: and then I got pregnant and found a new you know, 345 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: gratitude and respect for my body and never looked back. 346 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: Really, sometimes you just need someone to sit and listen, 347 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: you know, not to ask too many questions, and it's 348 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: super super powerful. So I mean saying like I've got 349 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: I've got a young daughter as well, and you know 350 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: you talk about social media and body image and I 351 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: mean as professional athletes, you guys are you know, monitored 352 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: around the clock with your training, your eating. You're constantly 353 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: doing way in all this sort of stuff because they 354 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: know where the optimal performance is. So you must go 355 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: home and try and go to bed and consistently think 356 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: about that, like I know I would, And it's like 357 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: there must be so many young women out there that 358 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: are going through this journey of becoming a professional athlete 359 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: and not having the support. So it's good to know that, 360 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, there was team psychologists. You could reach out 361 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 2: to someone and actually just tell them how you're feeling. 362 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: So it's super encouraging knowing that the game is getting 363 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: bigger too, and all the female sports getting bigger, and 364 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: they're going to have people to be able to talk. 365 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: To, yeah, for sure. And I think the more you 366 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: talk about it, the more you realize that there's so 367 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: many other athletes that are going through it. And I think, 368 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 3: you know, when I started talking about openly the amount 369 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: of people that I heard back from that were going 370 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: through a similar thing. And then you know, you have 371 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: a little community that you're kind of helping along because yeah, 372 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: you get better, but of course there's the days that 373 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: you like, like how was I in that space to 374 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: start off with? And you know, will I ever fall 375 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: back into that? And you know there's still a little, 376 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: you know, voice in your head all the time. It's 377 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: not something that you can just get rid of, especially 378 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: still living the athlete life. So it's definitely tough. It 379 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: worries me with half official Growing Up Now Kid Train. 380 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: You've spoken before about the fact that you always wanted 381 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: wanted to be a mum by the time you were thirty. Yeah, 382 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: because your journey to being a mother was a little 383 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: bit unique, and that you went down the root of 384 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: IVF and you were a single parent. The decision to 385 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: start IVF. How long had that been marinating for and 386 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: when did you decide to pull the trigger? 387 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: Honestly, probably for ten years or more. Like it's hard 388 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: about I always you know, any of my friends that 389 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: asked me, which is it sounds so crazy, But when 390 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: I was like fifteen, my friends would be like, so, like, 391 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: do you reckon you'd have kids. I'm like, yeah, I'm 392 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: going to be a single month Like, wow, that's a 393 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: weird thing to say. 394 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: It's also so confident. 395 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I didn't know it, but I 396 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: just like, I mean, we went through divorce as kids, 397 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: and like my parents were great and they got along 398 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: and we were very lucky. But just going through that, 399 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: I never I thought, you know, I don't want to 400 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: put my kids through that kind of thing, and so 401 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: I just always thought, oh, I'll be a single mum. 402 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: And then when I was you know, starting to get 403 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: late twenties. I just thought I was over in Norway 404 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 3: at the time I got injured, and I thought, I'm 405 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: just going to, you know, see if there's a clinic 406 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: close to me, and you know, three weeks later I 407 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: walked in and another two weeks later I walked out pregnant. 408 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: So it was really quite Yeah, it was crazy, like 409 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: because when I walked in, I wasn't due for my period, 410 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: but I walked in and I got it as soon 411 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: as I got in the door, which was wild. Yeah, 412 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: and like my period is due, like it's usually on 413 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: the day the same time every nth so literally, so yeah, 414 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: it was crazy. And yeah, he said all week can 415 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 3: start today, and it was in COVID time, so really 416 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 3: difficult to get a flight back home. So then when 417 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: they did the egg retrieval, it was day late and 418 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 3: I was flying out three days after that, so they 419 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 3: actually put the embryo in almost two days earlier than 420 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: what they usually would. So I sat cross legged on 421 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: the flight back, touched down into two weeks of quarantine. 422 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: Wow, I mean you didn't tell anyone, you you just 423 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: went along and did it on your own. 424 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I was worried that somebody was gonna, 425 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: you know, talk me out of it, tell me to 426 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: think about football. 427 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: Or yeah, did you tell anybody at all? 428 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: Obviously the guy at the clinic, Yeah. 429 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: The guy and the nurse is new. But no, I 430 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: hit everything. And I was living with four of the 431 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: players at the time and was hiding like my injections 432 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: and ice cream containers in the fridge, so it was 433 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: kind of like exciting. I felt like a little kid 434 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: again trying to hide things. Wow, yeah, it was crazy. 435 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. But Norway is unique and 436 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: that you don't get to decide the sperm donor is 437 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: that right that you get You just get given, Like 438 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: do you have any type of checklist to say, like 439 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: I want him to be good at sport. 440 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: In finance? 441 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: No, I mean I probably could have, but I guess 442 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: because I didn't really have a partner of them to 443 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: match anyone with. So I kind of just said I 444 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: wanted him to be Scandinavian, which I don't even like. 445 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: I love the Scandis. I think they're cool. They're a 446 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 3: bit like you know, Australians. I wanted to be quite 447 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: far away from Australia, and other than that, I just 448 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: I thought it was nice that I didn't get a 449 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: whole profile in them, because I think then it leaves 450 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: out the expectation. You know, if he's a great footballer 451 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: and I'm a great footballer, then half is going to 452 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: be great footballer. So you know, I felt like I 453 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: didn't really pick my partners like that, so I didn't 454 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: want to pick tiny little details of somebody's profile, and 455 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of a nice way to 456 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 3: do it. 457 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: It can all be a fun, surprising journey how they 458 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: turn out and how they look like. I watched the 459 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: She A Strange Story with my wife and she was 460 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: just like, she was a blubbering mess. She was crying 461 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: because you're so happy for this whole story. But she 462 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: was like such a cute kid, and I was like, yeah, 463 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: you know, she didn't get a choice in any of that, 464 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: and it was just like, so it's just such a 465 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: unique situation. 466 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: Do they say what race? Do you go into that 467 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: much detail? 468 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I said scared Ainavian, so I knew 469 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 3: he was somewhere, you know, Danish Swedish in that vicinity, 470 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: but no, apart from that, I knew he was healthy. 471 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: They obviously all have health checks, and in Norway they 472 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: can only have five families, so I thought that was 473 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: quite good as well, where right in the US they 474 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: can they can have ninety nine families. 475 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, is that where all these documentaries are 476 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: coming out. It's like someone's got like kids. 477 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. Literally, I felt like I felt like the Norwegians 478 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: were quite trustworthy, so I probably hopefully no documentaries come 479 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: out of a clinic. 480 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: On Netflix. 481 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: When you got back to Brisbane, you told your mum 482 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: you're about four weeks pregnant. At the time. What was 483 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: it like sharing the news with her. 484 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: Well, at the time, there was quite a few kids 485 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: coming in the family. To be honest, I think her 486 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: words were. 487 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Fuck me dead, that's beautiful, well said. 488 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: She didn't know what a pregnancy test was, so she 489 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: didn't really understand, and she thought I was giving it 490 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: the box of you know, little socks and stuff on 491 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: my sister's behalf, which I don't know where she got it. 492 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: I think she just never in her mind thought that 493 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: I would stop playing football and get pregnant. 494 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: I suppose it would be a big shock for her. 495 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you've come back, You've come out of quarantine. 496 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I'm back and I'm pregnant. 497 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So obviously first law was always you know, football, 498 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 3: but you know, the day later she came to the 499 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: blood test, and she's been by my side through every 500 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: national team camp, so she came around pretty quickly. And 501 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: now halfa is just our favorite human in the world. 502 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: So had you worked out the logistics of it all? 503 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all, Like Mom and I 504 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: had never spoken about it. 505 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: Forgive us, We're two men, very naive. 506 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: How long is it pregnancy? 507 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: We just know, we just know. But like, how long 508 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: did you play? How many weeks until it was like, okay, 509 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: we can't play anymore, just because it's an impact sport. 510 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So I played up until I was about 511 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: eleven weeks. I probably I probably could have played a 512 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 3: few more weeks longer, but I still had So I 513 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: had os pubis before I got it, which is like 514 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: almost like fractures in the bone on your pubic bone, 515 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: and I was trying to rehab that but it didn't 516 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: go away. So the bigger that she was getting, the 517 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: more weight that was going through my pelvis, And by 518 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: like eleven weeks, I could barely get out of bed. 519 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: I could barely walk in the morning. I just stopped 520 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: a few weeks earlier than I would have liked to. 521 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, it was definitely a special eleven weeks, you know, 522 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: I scored a goal and was pregnant and yeah, definitely 523 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 3: a special ones look back on for sure. 524 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: Again our naivety here with professional athlete women that are 525 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: going through a pregnancy. What's the support like from up 526 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: they're essentially your employer, right, so from the team that 527 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: you're playing for at the time, what's there? 528 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: I mean, Brisbane were awesome. I was playing for Brisbane 529 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: right at the time. They were awesome. You know, I 530 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: still went to training, I still tried to take on 531 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 3: more of a leadership role when I wasn't playing, so 532 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: that was really nice, and could obviously get treatment when 533 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: I was there. I was trying to do a fair 534 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 3: bit of strength work. I couldn't really run after that. 535 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: And then the national team were awesome as well, you know, 536 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: helped me with like a women's health hysia. When I 537 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: was returning, always were you know, on the phone to 538 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: see what else I could do. To be honest, I 539 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: didn't even know if I wanted to return to football 540 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: after I had a black I hadn't really thought about it. 541 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: I just know I was pretty happy just going to 542 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: be a mum. And then it kind of all changed 543 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 3: when she came earthlid and I thought, you know what, 544 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: let's try and get to the World Cup together. 545 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. 546 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: Before we go into before that, before we go into that, 547 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: I do want to ask, childbirth is a pretty crazy experience. 548 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: Was it smooth sailing for you, Katrina? 549 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: No? 550 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: And I say that and I kind of know the answer, 551 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: but obviously people won't know the answer. 552 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, My my birth experience was quite crazy. So 553 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 3: on the Friday, it was my birthday, thirteenth of August, 554 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: two days after my water is somewhat broke. So I 555 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: had a slow leak for three days. 556 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 557 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: So yeah, didn't sleep. I thought it was happening. Nothing 558 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 3: was happening. And then by the Sunday they had to 559 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: induce me. And then, of course when they induced me, 560 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: she turned spine spine. 561 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: So is that posteria? 562 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: No op, so her spine so she was still head down, 563 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: but her spine was on my spine right, So just 564 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: incredibly painful. Have you ever heard of water shots? 565 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: Water shots? 566 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they sit like six needles in your back 567 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: at the same time. Six yeah, yeah, because I didn't 568 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: really want to, like, I didn't want to take any painkillers, 569 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: so I was on the gas and I was just 570 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: in excruciating pain. So they're like, we can try the 571 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 3: water shots anyway. It's like six beast things at the 572 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: same time. Oh, and it's meant to, like I guess, 573 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: send neural signals to your brain to say like you're 574 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 3: not in pain, which it worked. 575 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: But only for two hours, so oh my goodness. 576 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: At the end of that, I thought, just give me 577 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: the EPI durol. 578 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: Did you get the EPI I had the e del Yeah. 579 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 3: Then I was just laying there watching a foot a game. 580 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, I should have this. 581 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: To start offwards, my wife had. 582 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: An EPI durl like our firstborn similar thing turned spine 583 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 2: to spine, and she was like, just give me that 584 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: every girl. And then after that she was sweet. She 585 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: was just like, I can't feel any it's wild. 586 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well I had mum in the room with me, 587 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: and she, I mean, she's had five kids and she 588 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: had no relief. Oh well, if you can do it, 589 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 3: then I can do it, like surely. So but when 590 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: they put the empie drooling. They missed three times, so 591 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: I had like blood spurting out of my back and 592 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 3: my moment, I can't deal with this, what's happening? 593 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 594 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just got worse and worse after that, Even 595 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 3: after the EPI drool lost. The leader of blood started 596 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: vomiting blood. Yeah, it was It was pretty wild, but 597 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: literally a minute later it was like, do that all again. 598 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: It was cool. 599 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, it's. 600 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: Crazy vomiting blood and then cool. 601 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you hold them in your arms, you're like, 602 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: what a cool thing? Like? 603 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, surreal moment. 604 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, changes you instantly. Were you able to then enjoy 605 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: your time with Harper or because of the loss of blood? 606 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: Did they have to say? But you know, try and 607 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: sort you out. Now you're not in a place where 608 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: you can just relax with baby. 609 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: I mean when I first told her, I thought I 610 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: was going to pass out and I was about to 611 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: give her up. But then I started spewing, and after 612 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 3: that I felt Okay. Then they jabbed me with a 613 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: million needles and anyway, we're fine after that, but she 614 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: was completely fine. So we got all of our nice 615 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: skin to skin and she started feeding straight away, and yeah, 616 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: it was pretty. 617 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: Perfect, like this is all worth it. 618 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, literally, but I'm going to be on your 619 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: side and in the next. 620 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: Couple of weeks, so I'll let you know, has not 621 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: as many needles. 622 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: I might sneak a bit of the gas to be honest, 623 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: to go for it. Yeah. Yeah. 624 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: It was harper a good sleeper at first, Like we're like, 625 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: how did this? How did the sleep come about? I 626 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: always say you get a sleeper or a non sleeper. 627 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: For me, it was kind of not like I didn't 628 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: have to share a bed with my partner. There was 629 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: no one in the room. It was just us. So 630 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: I think for that it was quite nice. I pretty 631 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: much had her in my bed. She started in the 632 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: co sleeper for a couple of days, we had a snoop, 633 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: but it was just easier because I was feeding to 634 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 3: just put her in the bed when she woke it 635 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: could we change her you know, feeder, and she would 636 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: sleep and continue to sleep. So I think that's why 637 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: I made my return affair a bit easier, because I 638 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: mean I still used to get, you know, a decent 639 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: amount of sleep at night, and then after training I'd 640 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: come home and probably nat with her for three four hours. 641 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: So that's the dream. 642 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can do that now, I don't want to alarm. 643 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: You could train her, but it normally happens that you 644 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: get one good, one and one. 645 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: We're hoping that we've skipped it because it's technically Clara's curse, 646 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: that's true. Yeah, we hope we skipped it. And it's 647 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: actually half a twin that we will not twin. But 648 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: the embryo was taken out at the same time as halfer, 649 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 3: so it's been in the freezer for a little bit. 650 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: So maybe there as well, same age, maybe hopefully the 651 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: same sort of you know, personalities, sleep. Yeah, we're hoping that. Yeah, yeah, 652 00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: I'll let you know. 653 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: Same owner. 654 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so everything in the same. 655 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: Oh wow, definitely a boy. Yeah yeah, what if he 656 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: looks exactly the same? 657 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: Well, when we had the three D photos, he almost 658 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: looked the spitting image. 659 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: Of Oh my god, I'm excited to see now. 660 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: I mean, she's got like really big lips, which I 661 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: have to thank the donor for. Yeah, he has really 662 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: big lips too. 663 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: So after you have Harper, do you remember when you thought, yeah, 664 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: I could definitely make a return here to professional sport. 665 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: To be honest, when I felt like I wanted to 666 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 3: run again. So I started running I think about nine 667 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: weeks after I had her, and I felt amazing, like 668 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: it just it felt like I was a little kid again. 669 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: I hadn't even kicked the ball, but just moving and 670 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: then you know, slowly introducing football stuff. Honestly felt like 671 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: I was ten years old again. And yeah, from them, 672 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: I just you know, every time I played, I just 673 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: enjoyed it more. But I think, you know, when I 674 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 3: didn't have Harper, I'd go back and I'd think about, 675 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 3: you know, all the bad things I did in training, 676 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 3: what I did badly in the game, and I would 677 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: just be so stuck in just a football spiral almost, 678 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: And now I'm just I get off the field and 679 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a mum and we move on and 680 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: she laughs at me. She doesn't care what I did 681 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 3: on the field, you know, if we won last if 682 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: I scored no goal, or what happened. And I think 683 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: that's why it's changed football for me. It's, you know, 684 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: I do it because I love it, and then I 685 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: get off the field and you know, it's the best 686 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: thing in the world. 687 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: And how is it I'm trying to like, I think 688 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: having a kid can be such a handicap. 689 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: You know, don't tell them that. 690 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: No, I love my kids to death, but you know, 691 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: we know ash that we do. There's many times where 692 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: we try and catch up for work and one of 693 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: our kids is are well, and it's it's really bloody hard. 694 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to imagine for yourself as a single 695 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: parent trying to play professional sport, Like, how much harder 696 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: is it compared to when you didn't have a kid. 697 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is harder, especially I mean I was 698 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 3: feeding until she was one, so like even preparing that 699 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: before a game was really difficult. Obviously, pregame routine would 700 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: consist of changing nappies and you know, making sure she's 701 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: happy instead of instead of you know, doing all the 702 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: normal things. But yeah, it's definitely got its challenges for sure. 703 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: But you move back to Swedish. 704 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: Sign with the Sweden Club. Can you pronounce that Swedish 705 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: club for us? Please? 706 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna butcher it, but I say vis. 707 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, see that's that's bang on. I reckon. 708 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you. 709 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: Totally I approve. I'm going to put it into Google 710 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: and I'll figure it out. 711 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: See you're in You're in Sweden. Away from your family 712 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: where even speaking English, I guess Swedes are pretty good normally. Yeah, 713 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: but like you know, you can't just go down the 714 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: chemist and like pick out things yourself because everything's in Swedish. 715 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, you know, when I got over there, I 716 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: actually thought like what am I doing? How am I 717 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 3: even going to do this? But the club were incredible. 718 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: They found nannies for us, so i'd bring out a 719 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: training should get looked after there. She'd come on all 720 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 3: the bus trips or new way trips. She came everywhere 721 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 3: with me, so it was actually really nice. But just 722 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: you know, the simple things. Most of their apartments don't 723 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 3: have lifts, so I had to cut her pram groceries, 724 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 3: washing up three flights of stairs every day. Like, yeah, 725 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: I got pretty big arm muscles. 726 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: Out of it. 727 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: It's like a separate fitness yeah literally, but yeah, just 728 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 3: those small things that you you know, you kind of 729 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: take for granted when you've got support around in Australia. 730 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 3: But obviously Clara was quite helpful. Yeah, the club work 731 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: were awesome. They helped us wherever they could a few 732 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: of the girls around me that would help. But yeah, 733 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 3: we slowly figured it out. 734 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Clara a little bit. 735 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: Were you were you looking for love at all? 736 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 3: Was this absolutely not be No? I was so done 737 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 3: with relationships. I just wanted to focus on me and 738 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: Harper and getting back and enjoying football. 739 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: But this is one of those cliche scenarios where it's like, 740 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: as soon as you stop looking, it'll find you exactly right. 741 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I was a relationship person. I loved them. 742 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 3: I was yeah, you know, I had quite some quite 743 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 3: long relationships before that, and yeah, I was known to 744 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 3: be in relationships. But then it was like this is no, 745 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 3: this is my time. It's just showing me and Harper 746 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 3: we're going to enjoy our time over here. But that 747 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: changed pretty quickly. 748 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Did you so you played with Clara? Is that is 749 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: that where where you met? 750 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? And she she kind of likes to help the 751 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: internationals when they go over I guess she knows how 752 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 3: hard is to, you know, do things, so she was 753 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 3: quite helpful before we got there, found us an apartment 754 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 3: and things like that. Maybe she had a crush on 755 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: me before I even't got out. 756 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: Did she just say that as like like. 757 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, that several times? Literally? But no, even our coach 758 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 3: said to I think she's He said to her, you know, 759 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 3: I think you and Gorri would be a good match 760 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 3: or something like that. Oh wow, so he called it 761 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 3: before it all happened. My mum called it before it happened. 762 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess. I mean, she's just such a like, kind, 763 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: loving and helpful person. And like my mum's hated all 764 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 3: my partners, so she really loved Clara. So that was 765 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 3: kind of just a tick of approval that I needed. 766 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, do you remember when the feeling became mutual 767 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: where you are Hang on a minute, I think I 768 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: love this person. Do you remember that? 769 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, it probably happened pretty quickly. 770 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: I guess. You know, i'd seen her with Harp before. 771 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 3: You know, I knew who she was around the team. 772 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 3: I knew that she just wasn't putting on a show 773 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, she was just Yeah, I pretty much 774 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 3: knew straight away that, wow, she was my person. So yeah, 775 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 3: everything happened pretty quickly. 776 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome. 777 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: How are you feeling now you're on the brink of 778 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: becoming a parent for the second time. Are you feeling 779 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: a lot more prepared coming into it the second time round? Yeah? 780 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: Probably, obviously know what happens. So I think that's definitely helpful. 781 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 3: I think I'll be a good birth partner, and I'm like, 782 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 3: I'm kind of excited for the challenge on the other side, 783 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 3: like how good of a birth partner can I be? 784 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 3: How long can I keep her at home when she 785 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 3: wants to go to the hospital. 786 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: Actually, for any dads who are listening as someone who 787 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: has given birth, what's your advice? What can the other 788 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: partner do in the room the person who's not giving 789 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: birth question, Ah, don't faint one of. 790 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: Them, probably don't faint. I don't know. I had my 791 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 3: mom and my sister, so it's really hard and they 792 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 3: both obviously give the earth. 793 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: So do you have a plan going in? What's your 794 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: plan going in? 795 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna like lead her into the hospital. She's 796 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 3: gonna have a blindfold on, so she doesn't really know 797 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 3: what's going on around her. 798 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: I can't tell if. 799 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 3: It's like a Swedish thing, Yeah, exactly, you know you 800 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 3: need all the oxytocin. No, but just like keep her 801 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 3: in her zone as much as I can. For some reason, 802 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 3: she wants to meet a mention that it's like doing 803 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 3: the Yoyo test, which I don't know if she You know, 804 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 3: when you like run and then it gets you get 805 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 3: to another level and it gets faster. Yeah, similar to 806 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 3: the Big Test. Is a little bit different, but yeah, similar. 807 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 3: So she kind of has referred to labor as like 808 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 3: the Yoyo test, like, you know, the contractions get stronger, 809 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 3: but then they let level out a little bit. So, 810 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think most people would want 811 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: to be remind a Yogo test. 812 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 2: But anyway, that's good, Katrina. Both Matt and I have 813 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 2: kids that are currently in daycare, Kindy preschool. However, you 814 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: want to say, you are currently living in the UK 815 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: and now Harper is attending Kindy over there? How does she? 816 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: How did you fit in? How is she fitting in? 817 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: We were lucky she she loves Kindy in the UK. 818 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 3: But when we were in Sweden we got her in. 819 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 3: They call it first School Sweden. To be fair, you 820 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 3: don't pay much. I think we're paying one hundred dollars 821 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: and she could go one day, five days. 822 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 2: Wow, it's flexible. 823 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so it's based on your income. And so 824 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 3: we paid one hundred bucks a month and she could 825 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 3: go however much she wanted. 826 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 2: That's it. 827 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 3: I mean, the UK is crazy, but yeah, we were 828 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: really excited for her, just because obviously she had so 829 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 3: much adult interaction that we wanted her to interact with kids. 830 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 3: We wanted her to keep on learning Swedish, but she 831 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 3: just hated it. I'd never seen her, you know, she 832 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 3: goes to so many different people, but she never wanted. 833 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 3: She would see the top of the building out of 834 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 3: her car seat and start screaming in the car like wow. 835 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 3: But you know, she loves being outdoors, and they would 836 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 3: send us pictures of her laying in the prem just lifeless, 837 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 3: like there was nothing in her face like that, and 838 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 3: I would just I would go home, and because our 839 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 3: training was at you know, night, so she didn't really 840 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 3: need to be there. I was at home. I would 841 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 3: sit there and just like pretty much cry and be like, 842 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 3: what am I doing? Why am I putting her through this? 843 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 3: I'd make any excuse, you know, if she has a 844 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 3: bit of a running nose, you know, she's staying home 845 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 3: with me. So it was really really difficult, probably one 846 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 3: of the most difficult times I've had trying to figure 847 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 3: out what's actually right and what's not. And eventually we 848 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 3: took her out and moved to the UK and the 849 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 3: place she loves it. Now I can't you know, we 850 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 3: go to pick her up. It started at two o'clock 851 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 3: now it's been pushed to five o'clock and we walk 852 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 3: in and she doesn't want a bar of us. 853 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sort of going through that too, Like I've 854 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 2: had a few moments. It does break your heart when 855 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 2: you see them, Like for us, I walk up, walk out, 856 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 2: up against the fence and some days are good, some 857 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: days are bad, but it does break your heart and 858 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 2: you're like, am I doing the right thing here? We've 859 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 2: talked about it. I've turned back and gone in and 860 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 2: grabbed the kid and left because I just felt like, yeah, 861 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 2: it was just too heartbreaking. 862 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they can't. How can they learn stuff 863 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 3: when they're that distressed? You know? I just yeah, you 864 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 3: know when Harp was crying and cleaning onto them, no Mama, 865 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 3: don't go, no Mama please, I'm like, then I start 866 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 3: crying and I'm like, no, you don't go, come on, 867 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 3: let's go together. Yeah. I mean, maybe she was just 868 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 3: a bit older when she got to the UK KINDI 869 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 3: but I mean they're they're incredible for with her, Like 870 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: some days she doesn't really want to go in with 871 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 3: the kids, and so she gets to work in the 872 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 3: office with the girls. So yeah, they're pretty chill there, 873 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 3: which has been really nice, and she loves it. So 874 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 3: it just costs me my arm and my leg. 875 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 2: As so yeah, right, Yeah, I'm glad she's found somewhere 876 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 2: where she's a bit more comfortable, because there's nothing worse 877 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 2: than that drop off is there. 878 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: She's got expensive taste, Yeah, literally got budget placed before. 879 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be there. 880 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: How old was Harper when the World Cup started? She 881 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 2: obviously became a cult figure on socials. I mean I 882 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 2: followed it. My wife thought we all followed along with sorry, 883 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 2: with Harper and yourself and the team and everything that 884 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: was happening. So how old was she when that kicked off? 885 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 3: She turned to during the World Cup? 886 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw there's a lot of footage with 887 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 2: her and your mom and all the support that you 888 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 2: had around. What was it like going into a World 889 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 2: Cup and having essentially your number one support to get 890 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 2: to follow you around the whole time? And I followed 891 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 2: the team around and what was the vibe like having 892 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 2: a kid there the whole time? 893 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean it was incredible. I think you know, 894 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 3: when a tournament is so tense, you know, she just 895 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 3: made it fun. She always brought light to the room. 896 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 3: You know, when Milana got Concusten wasn't able to play, 897 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 3: like half could see that she was you know, the kids, 898 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 3: they just know, and she just went up to her, yeah, 899 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 3: and just cuddled her and like just wouldn't leave her 900 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 3: side because she just felt like she needed that. So 901 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 3: there was definitely really like really nice moments in the 902 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 3: World Cup that you know, she just brought light to 903 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 3: it or just made us focus on something else for 904 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: a little bit. So it was so nice having her there. 905 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 3: Obviously having Mum there was pretty special too, and all 906 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 3: my family. But yeah, I just I could never have 907 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 3: dreamt that the World Cup would have been like that that. 908 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 3: You know, Australia was so behind us and that's you 909 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 3: know football and you know women's sport has changed forever 910 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 3: in Australia. It's just it. Yeah, it's honestly crazy. 911 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen, Katrina when the time 912 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: comes when you do retire, they'll still have her on 913 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: a contract. 914 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 2: And the mask and you'll get dragged into camp as well. 915 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm all fine for that. 916 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 2: It was such a pivotal moment in Australian sport. I mean, 917 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 2: I remember I got to go to one game, which 918 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 2: I've been to a lot of sporting events, and the 919 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 2: atmosphere against It was against Denmark and I was quite 920 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 2: close to the field, which was amazing, but the atmosphere 921 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 2: was like something I'd never I'd never been a part of. 922 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 2: It was unbelievable the amount of people riding that wave. 923 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 2: Do you feel incredibly proud for everything that you and 924 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 2: the Matilda's achieved over that time. 925 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think you know, from where it's 926 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 3: come from to where it is now, it's just yeah, 927 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 3: like I said, it's an absolute dream and for now 928 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 3: the next generation to kind of live through that and 929 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 3: get to, you know, pave the way for them. I 930 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 3: think it's so special for us to leave the game 931 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 3: in a better place. And there's actually a Trailblazer film 932 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 3: that's coming out, a documentary that's coming out. Stand. I 933 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 3: think that really goes through you know, where the Matildas 934 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 3: were and where they are now. And I think to 935 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 3: look back on the World Cup like that is Yeah, 936 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 3: it will be something that we hold closer our hearts forever. 937 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: I do want to ask, as a father to two 938 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 1: girls when they do turn into teenagers, as someone who 939 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 1: was a little bit tricky as a thirteen year old, 940 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: what advice would you give? 941 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 3: Gosh, maybe you can give me an advice when they 942 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 3: turn thirteen. 943 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 2: Help, we'll just go down the line. 944 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, honestly, I'd probably have to ask my mum. 945 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 3: I was just such a menace. I don't think anyone 946 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 3: could help me or give me advice. I don't know. 947 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 2: Let me put it, let me put it slightly differently. 948 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 3: Give them whatever they want. Yeah. 949 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, If you were going to give Harper some advice 950 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 2: about her future, what would it be. 951 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 3: I mean, probably play any sport that you can take, 952 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 3: any opportunity that you possibly can, have good friends around you, 953 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 3: and make sure you continue to make your mum your 954 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 3: best friend. 955 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 2: That's good. 956 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: That is good, Katrina. You are an incredible athlete, an 957 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: incredible mum who's got such an awesome stories. Thank you 958 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: so much for sharing that with us today. 959 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Katrina. 960 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, no worries. Loved being here, Matt. 961 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 2: What an amazing chat we got to talk about all 962 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 2: sorts of things. We're to talk mainly about what I 963 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 2: love most, which is sport and parenting. 964 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Katrina for giving us her time. 965 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, Ash and I and Katrina 966 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: would also love it. 967 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 2: If you left a five star review, also suggest any 968 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 2: other Doting parents you would love to have on the podcast. 969 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 2: Until next time, goodbye bye. 970 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 3: Two. 971 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: Doting Dad's podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout 972 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: Australia and the connections to land, see and community. 973 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present 974 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate lander 975 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 2: peoples today. 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