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Speaker 1: And Amanda gem Nation Brendan.

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Speaker 2: If I asked you to head into the desert to

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Speaker 2: be buried alive, what would you say?

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Speaker 3: Sign up?

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Speaker 2: I'll sign you up.

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Speaker 3: I'm Australian.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of celebrities have said exactly that says Australia

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Speaker 2: is back, venturing into the heart of the Middle Eastern

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Speaker 2: desert to confront their fears head on. And the man

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Speaker 2: who's going to be enemy and yet friend number one

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Speaker 2: and Middleton is here hello, and how are you.

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Speaker 1: Definitely enemy number one? Enemy?

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Speaker 2: But it's almost like Stockholm syndrome because they want to

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Speaker 2: please you and at the end, even the smallest not

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Speaker 2: even a compliment, just to get a from you means

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Speaker 2: so much to them.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole idea of the course.

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Speaker 4: They get that towards the back end of the course,

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Speaker 4: once they've shown us that they've surrendered themselves to the

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Speaker 4: process and to the DS, because if you fight the process,

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Speaker 4: you're going to lose. If you fight the environment, you're

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Speaker 4: going to lose. If you fight the DS, you're going

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Speaker 4: to lose. So it's a bit of tough love at

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Speaker 4: the beginning, but then you earn your stripes.

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Speaker 1: It that way.

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Speaker 2: So in the past, we've seen people be set on

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Speaker 2: fire and I wondered, how you up the ante and

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Speaker 2: now people are going to be buried alive. That makes

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Speaker 2: me feel nauseous.

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Speaker 4: And that process that was from the very first minute

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Speaker 4: we captured them and then we put them in coffins

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Speaker 4: and literally buried them alive. But not only did we

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Speaker 4: bury them alive, it was a case if we shut

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Speaker 4: the coffins and then we actually the sand. You know,

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Speaker 4: we took our times to cover the coffin with sand.

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Speaker 1: They've only got so many minutes of oxygen.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, listen, once they start to flip out

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Speaker 4: and freak out, then I'll start the clock.

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Speaker 2: So even if they freak out, it's not that easy

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Speaker 2: to get out. Is this like? Do you find this

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Speaker 2: stuff easy?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what?

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Speaker 4: When I first joined the military, claustrophobia was high up

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Speaker 4: on my fears and phobias.

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Speaker 1: And it's like everything else.

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Speaker 4: You know, once you expose a fear and you repeat

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Speaker 4: the process, it's all about exposure. Exposed your repetition, repetition, right,

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Speaker 4: and the more you do.

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Speaker 1: That probably took me.

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Speaker 4: A good three to four years to get over being

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Speaker 4: in confined, but I'm talking about tunnels and tubes, and

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Speaker 4: you know what we do through our military training. It's

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Speaker 4: not an easy process. You really have to control your headspace.

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Speaker 4: At the moment you freak out and you panic in

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Speaker 4: your brain tricks you into believing that you can't breathe,

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Speaker 4: and then your body goes into some kind of weird

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Speaker 4: meltdown and you end up passing out. And it's not

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Speaker 4: a good thing to do, especially when you have a

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Speaker 4: task or a mission that you need to complete.

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Speaker 1: You've got a breed. It's so important.

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Speaker 4: This is why we do what we do to make

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Speaker 4: sure that these celebrities have got the attributes and characteristics

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Speaker 4: of a Special Forces operator.

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Speaker 3: And also with the show now, it seems to be

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Speaker 3: a tale of redemption. There's a lot of people on

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Speaker 3: this show, like Craig McLaughlin, for example, who's been pretty

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Speaker 3: much pilloried throughout and probably rightly so for his own

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the people that he's hurt have to watch

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Speaker 2: him have a path to redemption because the way the

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Speaker 2: show works. You guys don't know who these people are,

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Speaker 2: so you say, tell me your story. So they're rewriting

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Speaker 2: hurt me? How does that feel conflicted by that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it is a confliction.

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Speaker 4: But this is again another really good thing about the

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Speaker 4: course is the slate is wipe clean, just like on

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Speaker 4: special Forces selection.

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Speaker 1: On special Forces.

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Speaker 4: Selection, it doesn't matter if you're a want officer, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you've had done something good or bad

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Speaker 4: in the past, as't matter how many medals you've got.

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Speaker 4: All of that, so the positives and the negatives are

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Speaker 4: major that's got multiple medals, that's all wipe clean. Someone

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Speaker 4: So it's it really is fair that way, because then

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Speaker 4: we could judge them from day dot, from the very

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Speaker 2: And I can say that is that everyone has a

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Speaker 2: should have a crack at redemption in life. But what

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Speaker 2: if if the people who who have been really scarred

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Speaker 2: through the process, they don't get to tell their side

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Speaker 2: of the story or only hearing one.

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Speaker 3: They could go on the show.

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Speaker 1: There you go, listen, I could go on the show.

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Speaker 1: You've got it. You've got it. Let's just get everyone

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you should get them all on the same episode series.

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Speaker 3: That's it and bury them alive.

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Speaker 1: New format here, guys, I think we're going to do

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Speaker 1: really well with it.

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Speaker 2: Actually, one of our calls earlier suggested we put all

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Speaker 2: our ex prime ministers in and we lost one at sea.

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Speaker 2: I thought that would be a challenge.

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Speaker 1: You know what, that would be fascinating if you've done that.

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Speaker 4: But no one, I'm going back to your to your point,

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Speaker 4: and it's one of those where we will find out

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Speaker 4: who they are at the end.

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Speaker 1: Of the day.

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Speaker 4: You can't pull all over our eyes and again redemption,

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Speaker 4: you know, especially with some individuals that were on this course.

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Speaker 4: You know, we we do identify their true colors, and

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Speaker 4: there are some sorry faces, there are some you know,

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Speaker 4: huge sort of apology show we say, or shoes they

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Speaker 4: look at themselves in the mirror.

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Speaker 1: Once we strip them down, they go, do you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm messed up there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy with that. And well we always love

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Speaker 3: seeing you on the show. And we're not just saying

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Speaker 3: that in case we suddenly fall foul of.

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Speaker 1: I'm yeah, dragged out the studio by your.

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Speaker 3: Ankles's just yelling at me, throwing sand on me.

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Speaker 1: Such fun.

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Speaker 3: That's my weekend, Middleton. There's always a trick to talk

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Speaker 3: to you. We love having on our show. Say It

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Speaker 3: starts this Monday on seven and seven plus and thank.

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Speaker 1: You, thank you. Great to see you as always