1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately, we continue to speak about the issues being 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: experienced when it comes to crime and just poor behavior. Now, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: my next guest has had a wonderful business in our 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: CBD since nineteen ninety seven, so for more than twenty years, 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Sean Johnson's been operating sealver Toise. He joins me on 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: the line right now. 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: Good morning, Sean, Good morning Katy. And I was hoping 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: that we next time we spoke, we spoke about that 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: twenty eight years. 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: That is such a phenomenal period of time for a 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: business to operate. I mean, you must have seen some 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: interesting stuff over those twenty eight years. 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: I could write a book about it. I'm sure I 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: reckon you could. 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, though, one of the things that you have seen, 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: and certainly in recent weeks, is senseless vandalism and just 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: senseless crime. Tell me what happened in recent. 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Days, and that's right. We've got a call that front 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: door has been and I quickly checked out our camera 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: and sure enough it had and I checked out the 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: video footage and it was really just someone walking past 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: who decided I'm just going to kick in this door. 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: And it nothing to do with the cafe, had nothing 24 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: to do with an accident like a trolley or something accidentally. 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Someone just decided there's a door, I'm going to kick 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: it on. Maybe I'm frustrated at life and I'll kick 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: in the door. And it cracked it. We just had 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: it replaced and I just got to build this morning. 29 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: And it's seven hundred and our dollars. 30 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. I mean, you think to yourself, the 31 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: number of coffees and that you're selling to pay for 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: that is a lot. That makes me really angry. 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: Me too, and a lot of people, you know, they 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: saw the doors, they came in. It took us two 35 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: days to get a door to fix it and what happened. 36 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 2: And I told them and they just said, that's just nuts, 37 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: you know, you know, we can all be a little tolerant. 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: Maybe a trolley accidentally hit it or whatever. The kick 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: this was senseless. And I put the video up on 40 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: the Facebook page and I thought, I'm not over dramatizing this. 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: Look at it. The person just walked past, kicked the door, 42 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: a good couple of good kicks, cracked the glass, and 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: off they went again. So he had no purpose, had 44 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: no ratification. It'll be nothing against them. Probably that's yeah, 45 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, and it's. 46 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: Just like it's senseless. But the impact on you guys is, 47 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, is astronomical. And you're a great local business. 48 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean you employ like lots of locals. One of 49 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: my my daughter's friends works there with you guys, like 50 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: you run a great business. So then having to you know, 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: to fork out seven hundred bucks to fix a door 52 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: that's had like that's no fault of your own is 53 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: beyond frustrating. 54 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Look it is, and you're right, we've we've been here 55 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: a long time, and I guess you could say I've 56 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: had some influences. I've got a doctor that's worked for me. 57 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: I've got a chief minister that's worked for me, I've 58 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: got teachers. So yes, I've done my bit for the territory. 59 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: But this is while it's disheartening, and I don't want 60 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: to come across as you know, maybe it's part of 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: being in the CBD, any CBD, and I know as 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: a city of wats just grow up. And I do 63 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: count friends like Jason Hannah and Jimmy Shue and Danny 64 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: Youwan all big restaurant tourism equally get frustrated. But we're 65 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: still here, and you know most recently, I stuck my 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: finger up at this sort of behavior, and I've taken 67 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: on a buffet out of the Darwin resort out and 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: when now we have a Stewart Highway, and said, you 69 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: know what, we're going to put something out here, and 70 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: we're going to say we're not going to be intimidated 71 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: and we're not going to be pushed around, because we 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: think Darwin deserves the sort of thing. And I consulted 73 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: all three people and they said do it, Sean, and 74 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, but it's tough climate and we've got 75 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: this antisocial and maybe that area needs something like that. 76 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: The curve a little bit of activity. The liquor licensing 77 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: came on board and said, we believe that people should 78 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: have a drink with their meal. We don't think we 79 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: should restrict you. So our local members got one onto 80 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: me and said, Sean, if you've got any problems, give 81 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: us a call. So there is a lot of positivity around, 82 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: but this sort of stuff just kind of negative. Signed 83 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: excuse me, and I just don't want us to normalize it. 84 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: No, I think you're spot on, and that is why 85 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: you think it needs to be called out. I totally 86 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: agree with you. We can't. You know, we can't normalize 87 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: this kind of behavior. It's not normal to go and 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: kick someone's door in That's right. You know, it could 89 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: happen in other locations, but unfortunately, this senseless crime we 90 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: see all too often in the Northern Territory. I mean, 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: why do you think it needs to be called out? 92 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: You know, if I'm ever in the car and I 93 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: tune in and I listened to you, and I know 94 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: that you do your bit as well, and you try 95 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: and highlight these things and bring them to attention, so 96 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: we really appreciate that. I don't know, I've been in 97 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: the territory thirty five years, and I don't know the 98 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: iron solution other than we just we've just got to 99 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: keep calling it out. We've got to try and hold 100 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: people to account. We can't always be soft soft. I 101 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: believe everybody deserves a second chance. But if it's going 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: to be chronic, and you're the kind of person that's 103 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: just going to be constantly anti social and assault or 104 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: violent or obstructive vandalism, we've just got to have some 105 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: mechanism in place that says we don't tolerate that. You know, 106 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: and I wish I had a solution. I don't, but 107 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate people like yourselves and a lot of 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: the journalists that will bring those to lights so that 109 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: we all know about it. And the people that live 110 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: out in the suburbs might not know about this. Yeah, 111 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: and I wasn't aware of that, you know, on any 112 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: given day. You know, I spoke to the McDonald's boys 113 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: yesterday and they said that you go one, we get 114 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: one almost every month. I'm like, oh, man, really, yeah, 115 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: that sucks. So at least we can we can call 116 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: it out. And again, we just don't normalize it. Ye'll say, well, 117 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: that's part of the darn one and that's part of 118 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: the CBD, or that's part of business. No, it's not not. 119 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: And everyone pays for it. I'm sure insurance rates go 120 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: up and so forth. And I don't want to put 121 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: the price of coffee up just because people keep kicking 122 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 2: in doors. 123 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, that's exactly right, exactly right, Sean. Do you 124 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: think that the people like do you think in the 125 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: instance that you saw most recently and some of the 126 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: anti social behavior that you're saying, do you think it's 127 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: happening from locals or do you think people are coming 128 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: into town from somewhere else. What are you reckons going on? 129 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it's more that the blowings, I 130 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: don't believe. You know, we get to know who's who. 131 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes refer them as the usual suspect, the 132 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: ones that we know can be a little bit troublesome. 133 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: But this is not them. These are people that have 134 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: come in here to just just around a mocker, cause 135 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: a bit of trouble. And I if they go again, 136 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: and you know, and when you try and talk to 137 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: some of the locals that they might say that that's 138 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: not us. You know, that's not don't We don't tolerate 139 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: that either. But again, how do you how do you 140 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: combat that? I don't know. And we've got those that 141 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: TPS security guys and they're out there trying their best. 142 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: They're not police, they don't try to be policed, but 143 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: they try and work with some of these people and say, hey, listen, 144 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: you know you can't be doing this stuff. You can't 145 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 2: be loitering in the city. If there's a pack of 146 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: young kids, they'll escort them to the bus or two 147 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: wherever they've got to go without letting them just loiter 148 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: around the CBD and dispensially cause trouble. So we've got 149 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: things in place that we're trying to do. Do I 150 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: think it's unsafe? No, I don't. I don't think. You know, 151 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: we we're in the tourist season now and I get 152 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: tourists asking, hey, it's it's safe, and I say, look, 153 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: we're one of the loveliest sitting tonight. It's it's just 154 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: a beautiful place. And if you see those security guys 155 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: there just there to keep that anti social stuff away. 156 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: But is it an unsafe city? No, I don't believe 157 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: it is. You know, my heart went out to that 158 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: the guy up in the nightcliff at that convenience store 159 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: that had his life taken that well, just just sad. 160 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: I don't have any words for that. But I don't 161 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: believe as a whole that we've got an unsafe city. 162 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: It's just these sort of things can be fixed. You know, 163 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: I've always said this, we the problems that we have 164 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: can be fixed. 165 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. 166 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: Just got to find that answer. You know, we're we're 167 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: growing up as a city and we just need to 168 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: look at those things and how do we address those 169 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: things we grow how do we address them. 170 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, good call. Well, Sean, It's lovely to talk to 171 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: you this morning. I'm sure we'll talk again very soon, 172 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: and no doubt it's some stage on you know. Well 173 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: we've we've spoken about some of the positives this morning 174 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: as well. But lovely to talk to you this morning, 175 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: and no doubt I'll talk to you again. 176 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: So and you take care and thank you so much 177 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: for highlighting things for us. 178 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: Really love good on your Sean thing. And you you 179 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: two