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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's well.

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Speaker 2: As Australia begins to roll out the COVID nineteen vaccine,

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Speaker 2: the anti vaxers aren't happy. Why are they opposed and

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Speaker 2: are they supported by research? A documentary airing on Sky

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Speaker 2: News will tell us just that. It's hosted by award

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Speaker 2: winning reporter Jane Hansen, who joins us now.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Jane, Try, Amanda, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Jones, Nice to talk to you. Who are who are

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Speaker 2: these people? Are they? Are they that group of conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theorists who think Bill Gates is going to get into

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Speaker 2: their systems? Or are there other regular people here as well?

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Speaker 1: I think when we're talking about the hardcore, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about anti vaxers. They are the ones that spread misinformation.

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Speaker 1: And we're not talking about people that question vaccines, vaccine hesitant.

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Speaker 1: They're the people that the anti vaxers target with miss information.

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Speaker 1: I think it's perfectly valid to ask questions about vaccines.

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Speaker 1: This is a new vaccine. We have to ask questions

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Speaker 1: about it. It's been put through rigorous safety trials. Regulated

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Speaker 1: then goes through that and decides whether it's safe enough.

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Speaker 1: That has been approved in Australia. But you know, the moment.

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Speaker 1: There was a talk of a vaccine last year as

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Speaker 1: soon as this pandemic hit, and the very nature of

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Speaker 1: having a vaccine to get out of this. That just

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Speaker 1: reignited the anti VAX's movement, which I think in some

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Speaker 1: ways was kind of dying a bit. But then you

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Speaker 1: you know, you have these very big names like Peter Evans,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Wood spent the ABN. This very much re invigorated

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Speaker 1: their movement and the noise went up about three hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I think some of the statistics were online, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: they really got visits.

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Speaker 3: Did this happen in the past of the German measles

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Speaker 3: vaccine which was about nineteen sixty four, So up until

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty four, German measles was killing kids in particular,

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Speaker 3: and I got measles as a child. But then by

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Speaker 3: that stage the vacs had come in and heard immunity

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Speaker 3: had worked. Was this sort this sort of information or

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Speaker 3: misinformation around back in the sixties, No.

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Speaker 1: I think the far Oh, well, there were you know,

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Speaker 1: there were some earlier problems with the hooping cough vaccine

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Speaker 1: back in the seventies, but I think the father of

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Speaker 1: Lembi's information. There's been Andrew Wakefield who came up with

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Speaker 1: the concocted paper on twelve children linking autism with the

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Speaker 1: MMR vaccine. So we take a deep dive into why

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Speaker 1: he got found guilty of scientific.

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Speaker 2: Fraud many times too. It's been disproven, hasn't it?

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Speaker 1: Oh so many times? I cannot really was still talking

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Speaker 1: about it twenty years later. But they, the antivacs movement,

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Speaker 1: have made a martyr out of this man. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Pete Evans thinks he's a hero. You know, he took

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Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars in secret payments from a lawyer

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Speaker 1: acting on behalf of children to get a class action

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Speaker 1: up against the vaccine. And you know he didn't tell

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Speaker 1: any of his colleagues that in this study, so you know,

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Speaker 1: he just broke every imaginable rule. And you know he's

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Speaker 1: in markets and.

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Speaker 2: Is he behind any of this? Is he behind this?

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Speaker 1: He's behind a lot of the misinformation. I mean the

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Speaker 1: vaxed bus. Vaxed is his brand. That was that conspiratorial

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Speaker 1: film that came out in twenty sixteen. His brand Vaxed

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Speaker 1: is being used in Australia by the Australian Vaccination Risks Network.

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Speaker 1: They've been running around in a bus with vaxed blazer

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Speaker 1: on the side, trying to get the people's truth on

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Speaker 1: vaccine injuries.

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Speaker 3: They must be brave driving into that bus. That was

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Speaker 3: most people are pro vaccination, So you'd be pretty brave

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Speaker 3: pulling into a town with that bus and then with

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Speaker 3: that emblazoned on the song.

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Speaker 2: But I wonder the pro side and as militant is

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Speaker 2: the anti side?

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Speaker 1: No, the pro sider quiet is anyone.

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Speaker 2: With academic background agreeing with his anti vaxxes. What does

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Speaker 2: the research say?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the research may cherry pick, a cherry tick,

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Speaker 1: some really dodgy science, like Whitefield's paper. They're still stand

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Speaker 1: by that, and they stand by the William Thompson whistleblower,

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Speaker 1: who wasn't really a whistleblower from the CDC. No, there's

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Speaker 1: no legitimate science behind it. There's no debate in that sense.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'd need apparently ten percent or the government believes

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Speaker 2: that ten percent will refuse the JAB from what you've seen,

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Speaker 2: do you think that number is accurate?

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Speaker 1: I think some yet to be published research shows there's

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Speaker 1: forty hesitant and of that fifteen percent will be a

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Speaker 1: flat mum. But the World Health Organization is looking between

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Speaker 1: sixty and seventy percent uptake. That might be enough. So

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Speaker 1: you know, as is the way with anti vax as,

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Speaker 1: the rest of us will do the right thing and

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Speaker 1: they'll benefit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course. And this is strange for you

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Speaker 3: because you grew up in mullen Bimbi, which is the

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Speaker 3: Andi vaxer territory of the country pretty much. So how

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Speaker 3: does that How did you not become an Andy vaxer.

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Speaker 1: Good education?

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Speaker 3: And there it is, Jane, there it is. Well, we're

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Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing it tonight. Andie Vaxx is exposed

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Speaker 3: premieres tonight eight pm on Sky News. Jane Hanson always

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Speaker 3: a treat, Yeah

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jonesy and Amanda's Famnation