1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Break the flick with ben o'she. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: On ninety six. 3 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 3: A M. 4 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's nice to see you're back. Nice to see you. Well, 5 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: you're struck down with the clarzy flu. Yeah, although you 6 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: got it first. 7 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Will stop kissing with you? He's just so damn handsome. 8 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: I can't help myself. 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: What have you got for us? 10 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 3: Well? 11 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I came back just in time to review the new 12 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: Marvel movie Waconda Forever, which of course is a sequel 13 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: to the twenty eighteen hit Black Panther, which huge, mega 14 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: mega hit made two billion Australian dollars at the worldwide 15 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: box office back then, directed by Ryan Kogler, and it 16 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: was more than just another superhero movie. It was a 17 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: real kind of pop cultural moment, especially for people of color. 18 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: That film was a huge step forward in terms of 19 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: a representation of people of color on screen and a 20 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: black superhero, Black Panther played by Chadwick Boseman, who went 21 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: on to star in a number of Marvel movies, most 22 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: recently twenty nineteens Avengers Endgame, and then, of course, he 23 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: passed away in twenty twenty after a lengthy and very 24 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: private battle with colon cancer. Very few people even knew 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: he was sick, especially the average fan, and so it 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: was a huge shock that he passed away. And it 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: left the director, Ryan Kugler, and Marvel Studios in a 28 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: very difficult position with this sequel because they had fully 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: intended Chadwick Boseman to make the movie. They knew he'd 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: been sick, they knew that he'd lost a lot of weight, 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: and they'd sort of pushed back the production to give 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: him time to put the weight back on to take 33 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: up the role again T'Challa, of course, the Black Panther. 34 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: He didn't make it, and so it left Ryan Kugler 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: in the position of either, you know, do we recast 36 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: the role, which fans wouldn't have been happy about, or 37 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: do we use digital effects to put him into the movie, 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: which would have been a terrible idea like that No 39 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: one would have wanted to see that incredibly, so they 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: thought the most respectful thing to do would be to 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: rewrite the script to kind of include his death in 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: the plot somehow and build the rest of the story 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: around the other characters from the first film. So his sister, 44 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: suring they made them right, they did. They did. Played 45 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: by Letitia Wright, A Ramanda his mother, who is played 46 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: by the Great Angela Bassett Yea, the general of the 47 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: all female army Akoye played by Dnay Garira and Lapita 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: and Yongo, who played his love interest in the first film, Nikia. 49 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: She comes back as well, so first Marvel movie since 50 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: Black Panther in twenty eighteen. Now, the problem is, I 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: guess how willing you are to accept folding in the 52 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: very real and sad death of Chadwick Boseman into the 53 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: plot of a superhero movie Fred. 54 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to accept everybody. Everybody had the best intention. 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: Everybody had the best intentions here, but it honestly feels 56 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 3: a little bit crass. The movie opens with this sequence 57 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: where everybody's running around trying. 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: To save to Charla's life because he's dying off camera. 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what's happening. He's got some sort 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: of mystery medical condition and everyone's going, quick, what are 61 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: we going to do? We got to do something. And 62 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: then his mum comes in and says, sorry, he didn't 63 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: make it, and then it cuts to this funeral procession 64 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: through the fictional African kingdom of Wakonda, and you see 65 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: the actors like they're crying and you suspect that they're 66 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: real tears, but it's just kind of a bit awkward. 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: And then at the end of the movie there's kind 68 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: of another sort of tribute that's built into the plot 69 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: of the film that is quite a lengthy kind of 70 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: outro for the movie. There's no other way that they 71 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: could have gone. They had to do it, so like, 72 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm completely sympathetic to the creative choices that they made, 73 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily make for a great movie like 74 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: this is because if it's very heavy at the start, 75 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: heavy at the end, it's not the sort of movie 76 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: that you're going to walk away from and tell your 77 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: mates about and say, let's go watch the new Black 78 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: Panther movie. It's so awesome. You kind of go, Okay, well, 79 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: that was a touching tribute to Chadwick Boseman. Probably never 80 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: going to watch this movie ever again. Okay, it's not 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: that sort of movie where you're going to watch it 82 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: more than once. And for Marvel move for Marvel Movies, 83 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: that could cost them hundreds of millions of hid. 84 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: The movie that had to be made, and Black Panther 85 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: three will be better. 86 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, this is the big question, right, because when you 87 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: take Chadwick Boseman out of this project, who have you 88 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: got left? Right? You've got a lot of actors that 89 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: were really kind of supporting role status, and there's no 90 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: one who takes a big step forward in this movie 91 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: who you think, Okay, they can carry the franchise going forward. 92 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: There's they pass on the mantle of the Black Panther 93 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: to another character. I don't think they got it right 94 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: in this movie. As people will find out, they'll make 95 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: their own decisions. I just think, you know, the actor 96 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: who's going to carry it forward doesn't really have that 97 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: on screen. 98 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 2: But you should have let it go stand alone, great film, 99 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: ye yep? 100 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: I think, or down the track, recast it, or or 101 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: do something. And I think also there's the reality that 102 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: in the first Black Panther movie, as good as Chadwick 103 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Boseman was, he probably wasn't even in the top three 104 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: most interesting characters in that film. You know, like you 105 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: had Michael B. Jordan, who was just unreal. He was 106 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: so good, and he makes a sort of a cameo 107 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: in this movie, sort of a dream sequence, and all 108 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: it does is just remind you that the other actors 109 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: probably aren't as good okay, not potentially a spin off, 110 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: and they introduced a few new characters, some of them 111 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: who will go forward in the MCU, including Ironheart, who's 112 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: kind of like a young black female version of Iron Man, 113 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: who in the comic books is a really interesting character. 114 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: It's so clumsily handled in this movie that I don't 115 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: know what potential that character has got now going forward. 116 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: This movie, though, is basically about Wakonda versus in a 117 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: sort of a post Black Panther reality, fighting off this 118 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: other fictional kingdom of Talakhan, which is this underwater Atlantis 119 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: esque sort of kingdom that has been hidden from the world, 120 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: just like Wakanda, but now is being discovered and kind 121 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: of they want to find their own place on Earth, 122 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: and they're led by this villain, nay More, who's kind 123 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: of a complicated dude. Maybe he's a bit of a 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: good guy, maybe he's a bit of a bad guy, 125 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: but he's one of Marvel's oldest comic book characters. He 126 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: dates back to nineteen thirty nine, well right, and so 127 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: played by Tenor Kuerta, a Mexican actor, and he is 128 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: actually amazing, But the character itself doesn't make a lot 129 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: of sense, and it's one of those things that maybe 130 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't translate so well from the comic books to the 131 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: big screen. He has these two pairs of tiny little 132 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: feathered wings on his ankles that he uses to fly, 133 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: which you might be listening to that thinking that sounds 134 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: a bit dumb. Honestly, it kind of is dumb. It 135 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: just does not work. It just does not work. And 136 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of things in this film, unfortunately, it's 137 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: just a bit of a muddled mess. Like you could tell, 138 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: they had probably some great ideas for a sequel, they 139 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: were all thrown out the window and they were scrambling 140 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 1: to do the best they could. So for a Marvel movie, 141 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: this is certainly not. 142 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: One of them. 143 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Very unfortunate unfortunately. 144 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: So how many there's no law you have to do 145 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: a sequels? Are you giving it? 146 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: Yes? 147 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, look I'm going to give this three stars, 148 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: which sounds okay generous, but for a Marvel movie, you 149 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: know that's not okay, good giving a little trip percent 150 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: pass right, Okay, thank you, Ben, Thanks you guys.