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Speaker 1: Emma Clark pushes for perfection in every.

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Speaker 2: Aspect of her life.

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Speaker 1: The Sydney flames Ford is one of the wnbl's best

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Speaker 1: three point shooters and she's just getting started with a

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Speaker 1: college basketball stint and neuroscience degree under her belt. Her

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Speaker 1: competitive drive is second to none. But it was during

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Speaker 1: her first go at three on three basketball but she

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Speaker 1: felt her and her competitive streak had finally met their match.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sophie and i'mould producer year at the

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Speaker 1: Female Athlete Project. At just twenty four, Emma Clark has

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Speaker 1: to be one of the most hard working athletes whose

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Speaker 1: story I've heard. She's full of grit and absolutely loves

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Speaker 1: the grind. And if I haven't convinced you, just count

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Speaker 1: how many times she says a grind on this episode.

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Speaker 1: who are changing the sports nutrition game for women. It's

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Speaker 1: an honest reflection of what happens when you combine perfectionism

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Speaker 1: with sport, so we hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Emma, Welcome to The Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for having me. So happy

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm very much looking forward to having a chat today

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Speaker 3: and I'm seeing you've just signed a contract extension with

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Speaker 3: the Sydney Flames, which is massive. So you're currently in Perth,

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Speaker 3: but you're going to be back over in Sydney once

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Speaker 3: season starts. How does it feel to sign on again

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Speaker 3: with the Flames?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really good. I'm really excited for the two years

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Speaker 2: deal to be under guy again, and just yeah at

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Speaker 2: Hoops Capital, it's a really great club. And yeah, I

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Speaker 2: just feel like the professionalism that they agreed there is

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Speaker 2: just yeah, next level and I don't think I could

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm just ready to get there and get

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Speaker 2: the ball rolling.

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Speaker 3: I played for the Flames back in my day, back

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Speaker 3: in like, I don't know, it was a long time ago,

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I think it was. I sat

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Speaker 3: on the bench waving the towel around. But it's pretty

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Speaker 3: cool to see where the Flames are at now. I've

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Speaker 3: played with Los Nicholson. She's an absolute legend, but pretty

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Speaker 3: cool the talent seeing Kayla George and Testmagine from the Opals.

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Speaker 3: What's it been like to be a part of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. Like and like you said, like there's

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Speaker 2: and you know they've had long, long seasons, long careers.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they're really wise and yeah, fun to be around.

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Speaker 2: They're really passionate, trainings, are competitive, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: they just hold us to a highest standard where you

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Speaker 2: you know there's maybe one Opal or you know, not

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Speaker 2: playing with all of them.

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Speaker 3: I like wise is a kind term to say that

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Speaker 3: they're a bit older.

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Speaker 2: They've just played for so long, you know, like Kaylor's

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Speaker 2: done want a WNBA championship, like Loss has been you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Can you take us back to the beginning

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Speaker 2: I would definitely say I was like a curious, competitive, confident,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I just had had a

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Speaker 2: So my dad actually like I was played netball at school,

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Speaker 3: Hey, where was it that that drive and discipline came from?

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Speaker 2: I feel like just my yeah, as a kid, like

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Speaker 3: How have you learned to manage that balance? Because I

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Speaker 2: Definitely, that's a really good question, because I do strive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the chance to go to the AIS or the

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Speaker 3: Australian Center is it the Center for Excellence? Is that

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Speaker 2: Yeah? The co OE, Yeah, the Center of Excellence Coe. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when you got your call up and

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Speaker 2: you know, quite a few months, and Kristen Beale was

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Speaker 2: get better, and we want you here and you know,

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Speaker 2: that injury was really tough. I'd say one of the

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Speaker 3: And what was that experience like for you being with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really good. I mean I was at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: I think I was the only one from WA So yeah,

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Speaker 2: first time obviously living away from home. But yeah, to

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Speaker 2: I took a lot away from my stint at AIS.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 3: You made the decision to go over to the US

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Speaker 3: and play college basketball. Was that a tough decision to make?

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Speaker 2: I'd say yes and no because I feel like I

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Speaker 2: It's just it's so special, Like I can't even really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's now an Olympic sport three x three

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Super special. I mean those girls just play so

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Speaker 2: it's just so special, Like the passion that they show

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Speaker 2: Olympic stint A.

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Speaker 3: three x three compared to normal five or side basketball

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Speaker 3: for people who might not know the difference between the two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'd say three x three. There's four on

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Speaker 2: It is such a hard game, but I love it.

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Speaker 3: And where's your head out? Do you have goals to

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, I'd say I've had just such a small

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Speaker 3: You touched on your back injury earlier on in your career,

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Speaker 2: Like the doctor said, like, you've had this injury for

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's impressive. I don't want to reinforce

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's something that like the Sydney

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Speaker 2: the medical stuff, but yeah, it's it's kind of crazy.

433
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: I'd say, Yeah, I just I couldn't stop though, because

434
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 2: I just I didn't feel like I was in pain,

435
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 2: So it was I don't want to say it was

436
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: my doing, but yeah, listen to your body, guys.

437
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 3: Good advice. How did you process the emotion being told

438
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 3: by the doctor the day before you would do to

439
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: fly out that you actually were gonna have to be

440
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: a boot and you're ruled out.

441
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, not great. I think it's because nothing actually like happened,

442
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 2: like you know, other injuries I've had in the past,

443
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, like oh you roll your ankle or you know,

444
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: you break your hand or a finger or whatever, like

445
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: there's a moment in time that it happens. But I

446
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, i'd been like the day before

447
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: that I found this this information out, like I'd trained twice,

448
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: I'd lifted like I was, I was training, I was preparing,

449
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 2: and then it's like, oh, no, you actually have an injury.

450
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: And I was like wait a second, like I don't

451
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: like I'm fine, I'm fine. So yeah, it was I

452
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: think coming to terms with the fact that I was

453
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: actually injured, even though I felt like I was still

454
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: able to perform at like my best was really hard.

455
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: And then yeah, obviously the timing before going to Singapore,

456
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: I was like God, like, you got to be kidding me.

457
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: But then on the other note, I was like, well,

458
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: thank goodness I didn't go because the doctor had said,

459
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: you know, if you had a gone and played three

460
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: x three on like that plastic court and you know,

461
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: don't double days and you know, long hard sessions like

462
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: he said, you would have probably broken your leg. And

463
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: I was like, leg I didn't go so yeah, looking

464
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: at it from two lenses, but I think, yeah, once

465
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: I kind of accepted the injury, I was like really

466
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: actually grateful that they were able to pick it up.

467
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. I've been asking athletes lately the question of

468
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: what is your favorite failure?

469
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: Mmm, tough. I would say after my second season with

470
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: the Lengths, Like I was a contracted player, but I

471
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: like we'd made We've made the finals and the semi finals.

472
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: We had a really good team that year. But yeah,

473
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: being in the ten, you know, you assume I won't

474
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: say assume, but like you just kind of think that

475
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: you're going to travel to like the you know, the

476
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: semifinals and all that kind of stuff. And I'm very

477
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: grateful for it now, but I actually didn't get like

478
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: picked to go to like the semi final or the

479
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: Grand final series. When I was contracted player with the Links,

480
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: it was really tough because I was like, what do

481
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: you mean, Like it worked really hard for this. I

482
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: feel like I've you know, put so much energy and

483
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: effort and I was like an upcoming player and even

484
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: though like I wasn't deep into the rotation, that did

485
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: really hurt me. But I'd say in the other note,

486
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: like it really motivated me to then you know, work

487
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: keep working harder and kind of prove why I needed

488
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 2: to be, you know, a rostered position and like valued

489
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: rostered player. So then, yeah, the decision to go to

490
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: Sydney was I don't want to say easy for me,

491
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: but it was just like I want to go and

492
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: buy myself in a new environment and kind of have

493
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: a reset and just yeah, get back to business and work.

494
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: Hard and yeah on the grind, on that grind. Who

495
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: is the person who's had the biggest in influence on

496
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: you as a person.

497
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: This was tough to think about, actually, Like I've been

498
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: asked this question quite a few times because I would say,

499
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: there's so many people that have impacted me, like all

500
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: of my family and coaches and teammates and everything, but

501
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: I would say the biggest one would be my mom.

502
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: I know most people probably say their mom, but for me,

503
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: like she sacrificed just so much when I was younger

504
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: and growing up as a single mom and working multiple

505
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: jobs when I wasn't with her during my dad's week.

506
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: You know, she just provided and sacrificed, and you know,

507
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: I think she's just the epitome of like hard work,

508
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: and no matter what she had going on, she was

509
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: always such a vibrant, you know personality and made me

510
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: feel loved and cared about and you know it still

511
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: held me to a high standard and was always there

512
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: when I needed her. So yeah, I would say she's

513
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: definitely had the biggest impact. And just I feel like

514
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: teaching me to just have fun, like in the moment

515
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: and enjoy what I'm doing, because I feel like, you know,

516
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: you can really get caught up in the you know,

517
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: every external factor or you know, like putting pressure on yourself,

518
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: but like you know, just go out there and have

519
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: a good time and yeah, try your best. So yeah,

520
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: shout out tell my mom.

521
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: I love that You've talked a lot about how hard

522
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: you work on the court and how you love the grind.

523
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 3: How do you look after yourself away from the court.

524
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say definitely having like multiple avenues like for outlets.

525
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: You know, you can get really caught up in you know,

526
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: watching basketball, playing basketball, coaching people at basketball, so you know,

527
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: to be able to have whether that's like work or

528
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: UNI or you know, every like you know, once or

529
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: twice a week, like you go for coffee with a friend,

530
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: I'd say those things are really important. But then also

531
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: I do like see a sports sych who's really good

532
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: with helping me with you know, you know the level

533
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: of perfection that I try to breach and all those

534
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: kind of things. Yeah, she's awesome, But then also come

535
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: on quite a I would say, I wouldn't say strict

536
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: meal plan, but I try to eat really well to

537
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: give myself the best foundation for my recovery, especially after

538
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: this injury. And then also like being sponsored by like

539
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: the Athena company is just it's so great because the

540
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: products have all the things that I feel like I

541
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: require for like to be excelling at my sport, so

542
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, I recover with you know, my protein, but

543
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: it's got like plus iron or like I have my

544
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: my protein bar, you know, plus calcium, pretein, plus electrolytes.

545
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: Like it's all the things. Like it's so convenient and

546
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: I feel like, like with my meal planning, you know,

547
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: you can just grab a meal and go, it's the

548
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: same with Athena, Like I can just make a protein

549
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: shake and without having to add in all these other things.

550
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: It's just Okay, I got my protein shake and my

551
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: LETI lights and like calcium you know, everything's in there,

552
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, just trying to stay on top of eating

553
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: well and putting the right things in my body to

554
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: feel myself properly, and yeah, give my best self the

555
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: advantage on court.

556
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: What does that look like? Having a streaked meal plan?

557
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: Is that something that's hard to stick to?

558
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: It is? I feel like I really enjoy it though,

559
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm really good at eating. I

560
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: can eat the same thing like every day, Like I

561
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with that. I'd say it's just

562
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: the first few weeks was pretty tough. But yeah, it's yeah,

563
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: it's definitely challenging, but I do actually quite enjoy it,

564
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: just the you know, making all the food on like

565
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: a Sunday and then just having it all prepared for

566
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: the week, and you know, just being able to grab

567
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: my container and run or you know, grab my little

568
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: jar of oats in the morning. It's just so convenient.

569
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like once you get there and

570
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know how many days the days

571
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: they say it takes to build a habit, But yeah,

572
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: it was definitely tough at the start, but I'm happy

573
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: that where I've got to now, it's pretty good.

574
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: So for someone who does sound very very disciplined, what's

575
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: the difference between discipline and motivation for you?

576
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I would say discipline like you're adhering to like

577
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: routines and actions even when you don't feel like motivated

578
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: to like do them. I definitely say there's like an

579
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: element of commitment that requires you to like establish your

580
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: long term goals. But yeah, discipline like being focused and

581
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: staying on track, you know, each and every day, like

582
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to get out of bed,

583
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: or you don't want to you know, do an extra

584
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: rep in the gym or whatever, like even when motivation

585
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: is not there, being able to like stay on track

586
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: regardless of like how you feel in the moment. But then, yeah, motivation,

587
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: I'd say, like there's obviously internal and external drivers that

588
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: you know can motivate you, and they can fluctuate a lot,

589
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 2: you know, based on feeling or you know, you obviously

590
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: can't control your external environment. But I'd say it's a

591
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: good like kickstarter or like a good energy first yeah,

592
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: to like do something. But then yeah, discipline is definitely

593
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: where it's are where that level of commitment, and I'd

594
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: say grind like really shows.

595
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: I love that. Thank you so much for your time

596
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: today Emma having a chat to us. It's been really

597
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: cool to hear about just how disciplined you are, like

598
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: it just kind of the excitement and stuff. It kind

599
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: of like oozes out of you. You can see how much

600
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: you love it while you're talking about it, which is

601
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: really cool. Looking forward to watching you this season again

602
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: with the Flames and can't wait to hopefully see you

603
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: back in that three x three environment as well.

604
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, Thank you so much. I'd love chatting. It's

605
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: been great.

606
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,800
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