WEBVTT - Troye Sivan 🕺 Thank You For Your Service 🙏

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<v Speaker 1>Meta Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweety Prize on today's show three and a half hour

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<v Speaker 2>Movies in the Cinema Too Long, potentially his podcast tech Time,

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<v Speaker 2>Tech Time, Tech Time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's tech Time with Flex and Frooms on cater.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're about to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>While we've been dedicating the majority of our time to

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok and Instagram and other social media platforms, there's one

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<v Speaker 2>that stood the test of time that I think we

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<v Speaker 2>might have overlooked. That search engine is Pinterest. I know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking, it's for crafty mums and people planning weddings,

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<v Speaker 2>but I promise it's perfect for a special third thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think people understand what sets TikTok apart

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<v Speaker 2>from Instagram. What makes it slightly different is it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just a social media app. It doesn't exist to connect

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<v Speaker 2>you to people that you know or broaden your networks

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<v Speaker 2>by one or two degrees.

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<v Speaker 4>It aimst introduce.

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<v Speaker 2>You to things that you have not encountered before by

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<v Speaker 2>aggregating information from the Internet and serving it to you

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<v Speaker 2>based on your metadata and stuff like that, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can search things in TikTok, like, you can't search things

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<v Speaker 2>in Instagram, but pinterest did it first, and pintest has

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<v Speaker 2>been doing it for ages. People claim to like it

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<v Speaker 2>because there's no extra pressure on building like a persona

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<v Speaker 2>or likes or anything. All you do there is curate

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<v Speaker 2>your own social utopia. You look at little pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>things that you like, and then you put those pictures

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<v Speaker 2>and folders and you look at them.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what every platform is anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>True looking at your own Instagram.

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<v Speaker 4>No looking at other people's stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So pinterest just you, you know, it uses all of

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<v Speaker 2>your little metadata. It sees what you like, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>this regenerating feed that just shows you cool new stuff

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<v Speaker 2>based on other cool stuff you looked at before.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Pinterest, Baddy, Are you getting paid for this?

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<v Speaker 4>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be pretty sure they've got a budget.

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<v Speaker 4>What would you know about it?

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<v Speaker 2>You're not an influencer. Price, but tell me about influencing.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay in your lane.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>So I started using Pinterest to figure out what to

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<v Speaker 5>do with my book cover amazing, and it hits differently.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in a little pink section and suddenly I'm getting

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<v Speaker 5>you know, what's it called inspiration for days? I do

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<v Speaker 5>think some people are better at Pinterests than others.

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<v Speaker 4>Like with all platforms though.

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<v Speaker 5>You my bestie Madison both just understand design and stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I would go on her Pinterest and.

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<v Speaker 1>Be like, Damn, I'm dabbling, but I haven't done I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do.

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<v Speaker 5>Enough research to have breadth of creativity visually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that might be the floor with

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<v Speaker 2>every platform. I know a lot of people who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get onto Twitter, so it's because they didn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to curate their fee to see tweets they wanted to like. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 2>similarly with threads, Instagram, TikTok TikTok, I think is the

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<v Speaker 2>only one that you can get away with no curation,

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<v Speaker 2>have a really good time. Yeah, they've nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>An ex and frooms on Kaya.

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<v Speaker 2>This time five maybe ten years ago, buying a copied

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<v Speaker 2>or counterfeit item was fau par. It was frowned upon.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't something you admitted to publicly, and even something

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<v Speaker 2>you might deny if you were questioned on it. But

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<v Speaker 2>apparently gen Z is changing the way people perceive duped items.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was reading this article on CNBC that I

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<v Speaker 2>was really intrigued by.

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<v Speaker 4>First.

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<v Speaker 2>It started out with talking about the difference between jupes

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<v Speaker 2>and counterfeits. Soupes short for duplicates are just cheaper alternatives

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<v Speaker 2>to premium or luxury products.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know it was short for duplicates. I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a made up work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Whereas counterfeit is when someone is making an exact

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<v Speaker 2>replica as something else with lower quality items and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to sell it to you as if it's real, so

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<v Speaker 2>it carries an unauthorized trademark or logo of a patentent brand.

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<v Speaker 2>Jupes simply mimic certain features of more expensive products, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can get real close to these dupes. They certainly can,

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<v Speaker 2>and interesting enough, I feel like, I mean gen Z,

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<v Speaker 2>what the oldest gen Z'd be twenty six, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's unusual for any generation to come across

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<v Speaker 2>their contradictory. Is the way that the media, in particular

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<v Speaker 2>documents gen Z's contradictions makes it really confusing when you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it from just an analytical point of view

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<v Speaker 2>and not like a lived point of view. So gen

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<v Speaker 2>Z is responsible for this rise and authenticity marketing this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that they no longer want to be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like sold a lie, or they no longer want to

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<v Speaker 2>be positioned as people who are buying into the lies

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. Jupe culture fits neatly right into something

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<v Speaker 2>because realistically, what's happening with these jupes and the argument

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<v Speaker 2>that people used to make is that dupes are good

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<v Speaker 2>because luxury brands overcharged. But there are dupes for finely

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<v Speaker 2>priced items. There are jups of items that are sixty dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>there are dupes for items that are easily accessible, there

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<v Speaker 2>are dupes for items that don't really need to be duplicated.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it about jupe culture that's so enticing?

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the hashtag for jupes on tikto,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like billions of millions, of billions and millions. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't get to the bottom of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like everybody loves the idea that there's like

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<v Speaker 5>a little like ooh, like I think.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the thrill of the chase a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>The purchase is no longer thrilling enough. Yeah, the purchase

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<v Speaker 4>feel extra good.

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<v Speaker 5>It's because we do so much online shopping nowadays, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a burning question.

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<v Speaker 5>Usually its Flexiya brings these to the table. It is

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<v Speaker 5>part of her remit. However, Mickey has brought one to

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<v Speaker 5>my attention, as per usual. Working over time, we want

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<v Speaker 5>to know, would you rather go back in time and

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<v Speaker 5>give your sixteen year old self advice or have a

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<v Speaker 5>visit from yourself in ten years and give you advice. Now, personally,

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<v Speaker 5>I would want to see myself in ten years, come

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<v Speaker 5>back and give.

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<v Speaker 1>My self advice.

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<v Speaker 5>Why because youth is waning, y'all, And I reckon the

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<v Speaker 5>last two years is when I started to realize that

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<v Speaker 5>I am just like everyone else and I will get

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<v Speaker 5>old one day, and that has been a process of mourning,

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<v Speaker 5>also a process of excitement. I feel like in the

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<v Speaker 5>last two years I realized It's like when pick meism

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<v Speaker 5>became a thing that we all talked about. I really

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<v Speaker 5>realized that my pick meisms have been a lifelong trait.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realize and I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean that in the context of men necessarily, I mean

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<v Speaker 5>more just me thinking that I am like terminally unique.

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<v Speaker 5>So my friend says, terminal uniqueness, You think that you're

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<v Speaker 5>so unique that you die. So I would want my

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<v Speaker 5>thirty eight year old self to come down and give

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<v Speaker 5>me advice, because I feel like she would tell me

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<v Speaker 5>to just enjoy myself and go out more. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think also she could give me some I think I

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<v Speaker 5>would trust her because when I was sixteen, I thought

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<v Speaker 5>that I knew everything, and it's only now every year

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<v Speaker 5>I learned.

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<v Speaker 1>So much more. I sound like Kylie realizing things.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go back in time, but not to give

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<v Speaker 2>myself advice, just to get perspective. I think that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people make the consequence of living in the

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<v Speaker 2>future when they should be living in the past is

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<v Speaker 2>a good indication of where they're going. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>future me has anything to say that is relevant right

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<v Speaker 2>now that won't just because realistically, like, if I get

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<v Speaker 2>there anyway, then what do you have to tell me?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm her?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm her right now, So if you're just ten

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<v Speaker 2>years in the future, I'm gonna get there regardless me

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, though, I think that we do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of, like you said, this mental gymnastics on what

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<v Speaker 2>the past was really like and is it the way

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<v Speaker 2>I imagined it? And I would like to just get

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<v Speaker 2>perspective on all the things. Just observing me? Was I

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<v Speaker 2>as quiet as I thought? I was Was I as

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<v Speaker 2>friendly as I thought I was? Was it really that

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<v Speaker 2>hard to be raised in a certain environment?

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<v Speaker 4>Was school that hard? I just want to watch and

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<v Speaker 4>then bounce.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a good idea to watch. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 5>like retroactively get. I saw this meme which was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to know if my childhood was actually harder,

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<v Speaker 5>if I'm like I have told myself that or like

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<v Speaker 5>that thing was just like I had a medium hard childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I like struggle. I can't really relate

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<v Speaker 1>to either one of those. But I just thought, that's

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<v Speaker 1>funny you're listening to Flex and Rooms on kit.

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<v Speaker 2>Some Hollywood studios are pissed off with Australian cinemas and

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<v Speaker 2>that's odd because I really feel like the world isn't

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<v Speaker 2>really checking for Australia like that. So what mistake did

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<v Speaker 2>we make in the movie realm that they're angry? So basically,

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<v Speaker 2>the summary of the gossip is that some cinemas locally

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<v Speaker 2>want to put an intermission between manscor Sacy's new film

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<v Speaker 2>Killers of the Moon.

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<v Speaker 4>The movie is three and a half hours long. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>what is it about? Zn't worry about it, zongorry.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. Some independent cinemas in America have

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<v Speaker 2>already just made an executive decision to just put an

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<v Speaker 2>intermission in the middle of a movie at the one

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<v Speaker 2>and a half hour point. Let's just pause, get a snack,

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<v Speaker 2>like the theater, go to the bathroom, see how you feel.

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<v Speaker 2>But the issue is they're doing it without permission, which

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<v Speaker 2>is illegal. Number one and number two violate's licensing agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>which says that you can't like, change or doctor the

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<v Speaker 2>film in any way. That's just like a legal point

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<v Speaker 2>like porriob. Now the Australian cinemas are arguing that if

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<v Speaker 2>the movie were streamed, people would take breaks anyway. So

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<v Speaker 2>why are we making the watching process difficult in the

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<v Speaker 2>environment when they should be experiencing the most luxurious way

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<v Speaker 2>to watch this movie. We shouldn't be punishing them for

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<v Speaker 2>spending fifty bucks on a ticket to come see this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Make it easy for them. And in response, they're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the director's vision, but is the director's vision

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<v Speaker 2>walking out through a movie because it's too long. Mickey

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<v Speaker 2>has actually seen the movie in cinemas.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I saw it at the movies. How was it

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<v Speaker 4>Saturday night?

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<v Speaker 1>It was too long?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and as I got my snacks. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>got my popcorn, my malteesers, my big drink of coke.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it done halfway through the movie?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Was I thirsty? Yes? Could I leave?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>And I turned around. And to be fair, I watched

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<v Speaker 3>it on Saturday night and everyone was asleep.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh stop.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a man snoring behind me. People with their

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<v Speaker 3>feet up. Everyone's like leaning on each other's shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>People were tired.

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<v Speaker 3>It was too long.

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<v Speaker 1>It was he feels like work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like I was like itching, Like I was

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<v Speaker 3>like itching to get it done, like I reckon for

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<v Speaker 3>the last hour. I was like, get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you enjoy it?

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<v Speaker 1>That was okay?

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<v Speaker 5>That's how I feel when I go to musicals. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>except for Angelia that hit different.

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<v Speaker 4>I always appreciate an intermission when it comes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would have loved an intermission to go refill

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<v Speaker 3>my coat, just like stretch my legs a little.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit or off of service.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you went in gold class ware. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how they get. Yeah, it's upgrade for next time.

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<v Speaker 4>Have any of these complaints?

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<v Speaker 1>You had it here first, folks.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy Savanne is the new Kylie Minogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Hand or heart. I am obsessed with this man.

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<v Speaker 5>I only understand fan culture when I got across choy Savan.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the last six months, a late adopter.

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<v Speaker 4>Perfect timing. That means the marketing is working. Marketing, the marketing, Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what do you mean? Well, I just love his

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<v Speaker 1>songs and what you think you think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just happened to like Choice one in the last six

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<v Speaker 2>months because he's fresh and underground, not because he's been

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<v Speaker 2>on a rigorous marketing and PR campaign for the last

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<v Speaker 2>six months.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, I love when things work, so if that's it

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<v Speaker 5>feels organic. His dancing, his songs, the way that bag

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<v Speaker 5>Raders let him do, the little bit of shooting stars

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<v Speaker 5>in got me started. Tell me why I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 5>Chroy Sevan every single day about ten times a day.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to walk got me started.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it's the.

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<v Speaker 5>First like person where I've wanted to learn a dance.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that song. So obviously, because I'm a new fan,

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<v Speaker 5>I had to go and do my research. There were

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<v Speaker 5>some prior songs that I did get around, including my

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<v Speaker 5>My My and nineteen ninety nine was Charlie xx I remember,

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<v Speaker 5>but I went in some research and realized that he was.

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<v Speaker 1>A child star.

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<v Speaker 5>He was on the Perth Telethon in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 5>six and we're also the same age guys, and he

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<v Speaker 5>was giving twenty four, so you know what that means.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm giving twenty four as well. And he was also

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<v Speaker 5>the little baby in Wolverine. I feel like he's one

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<v Speaker 5>of the Australians who is going to transcend the Australian

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<v Speaker 5>cringe thing, not.

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<v Speaker 4>Of fans like you keep gripping on him, rimon.

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<v Speaker 2>Australians love to grip when things are in their peak

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<v Speaker 2>and prime. He's really going to transcand the Australian cringe.

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<v Speaker 2>Ee if you leave him alone, let him transcend to

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<v Speaker 2>different markets and then he won't maintain any people who

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<v Speaker 2>have not been able to escape Australian cringe though the

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<v Speaker 2>Australians cannot unsell their claws.

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<v Speaker 1>From Also, sorry, I've got the biggest thing. His architecture.

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<v Speaker 4>What was the comparison between Carli.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean, yeah, okay, let me break it down for y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>Choice of arm was in Architectural Digest. His house in

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<v Speaker 5>redacted suburb. I reckon it's the best architectural digest I've

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<v Speaker 5>seen in terms of like people love it because like

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<v Speaker 5>I could get that lamp, or like you couldn't, but

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<v Speaker 5>I could get that lamp. Compared to Kylie. When I

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<v Speaker 5>was a kid, my parents used to drive down Kylie

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<v Speaker 5>Minoaks Street to show us the house.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in Glen Something. Someone will know it anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>We used to do drive by to her house and

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<v Speaker 5>I think, oh, my old Kylie Minoake's house. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>an architectural dry jest in and of herself Number two

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<v Speaker 5>Camp number three pop songs that will stand the test

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<v Speaker 5>of time.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlocked something here, Guys, Kyler men O choice of arm.

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