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Speaker 1: The lowering of those COVID numbers is leading many to

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Speaker 1: With the Royal Commission did the recommendations from the Royal

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Speaker 4: So we made a decision back in twenty sixteen to

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Speaker 3: I think your public or your.

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Speaker 4: Public your listeners will understand that in a watch house

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Speaker 4: Police actively acknowledge that there probably is now having lived

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Speaker 4: Yeah, police are actively looking at their stand operating procedures.

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Speaker 4: But you know there's no short time from and that.

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Speaker 1: All right, before I let you go this morning, I

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Speaker 1: you know this is not an ideal situation for the

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Speaker 2: How do you think this is all going to play out?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm actually a bit sad, to be honest, Katie,

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Speaker 4: I'm a Territorian. I don't want to see the CLP

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Speaker 2: It's a line you guys were using a lot of

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Speaker 4: Well, it sums up where the CLPI at the moment. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: I want a stronger position. I think we need a

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Speaker 4: stronger position. The CLP have historically stood for many things,

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Speaker 4: and that is not loaning a federal center from another state.

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Speaker 4: That's just not who the CLP are. That's not the COLP.

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Speaker 2: So what do you reckon needs to happen here?

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Speaker 4: Or they need to stand on their own two feet,

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Speaker 3: That's what they need to do.

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Speaker 4: They need to trying to back them and who they

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Speaker 1: Aren't it well, Chief Minister Michael Gunner, We better leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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