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Speaker 1: The opposition leader, Leah Fanocchiaro, is here in the studio

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Speaker 1: with me. Good morning to you, lead.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, it's hard to know where to start this morning,

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Speaker 1: there is so much on the agenda, but I might

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Speaker 1: start with the federal budget. It was handed down overnight

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Speaker 1: and it is big spending. There didn't appear to be

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Speaker 1: additional major infrastructure announcements last night for the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: aside from what we were already aware of. Leah, what

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Speaker 1: was your reaction to the budget?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I was absolutely thrilled. Of course, we know that

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Speaker 3: the federal government is the only game in town. With

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Speaker 3: the defense spend, with the home builder, with the investment

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Speaker 3: into the gas industry, these are really the things that

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Speaker 3: are driving our economy and will continue to drive our

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Speaker 3: economy into the future. And I think it was just

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Speaker 3: an amazing contrast between the pathetic, hopeless budget that the

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Speaker 3: Gunner government delivered last week, which provides no hope or

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Speaker 3: opportunity for the territory's future, as contrasted to the federal

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Speaker 3: government who are backing us in they recognize we could

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Speaker 3: be an economic powerhouse and where the territory government is

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Speaker 3: falling down.

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Speaker 2: The federal government is certainly picking us up.

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Speaker 1: Well, leare I guess that. You know, we've all been

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Speaker 1: quite critical of the Northern Territory government spending, But then

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Speaker 1: when you look at the federal government spending, our net

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Speaker 1: debt is going to go up to seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty nine billion dollars. You know, the deficit for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two one hundred and six point six

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. We're talking eye watering levels of debt. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to be critical of the Gunner government

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Speaker 1: on that spending, well, surely you'd be critical of the

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Speaker 1: federal government as well on that spending.

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Speaker 3: Look, there's no question our nation has had to go

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Speaker 3: into a lot of debt. But the differences of federal

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Speaker 3: government have a plan. This is controlled debt that they

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Speaker 3: are managing, that they understand what the pathways are. They've

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Speaker 3: and they've got a plan for the future. We've got

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Speaker 3: some fantastic economic results happening, and it's all done in

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Speaker 3: a managed, planned, thought out way the differences.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the territory.

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Speaker 3: Government, they've got a nine point one billion dollar debt.

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Speaker 3: They don't know how they're going to rein it in.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a plan or a trajectory going forward

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Speaker 3: on how our economy is going to turn around. We

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Speaker 3: the federal debt is huge, but at least it's controlled,

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Speaker 3: there's a plan, it's staged, and we've got a pathway

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Speaker 2: We don't know where we're going.

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Speaker 3: All we know is the Gunner government have a proposed

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Speaker 3: fifteen billion dollar debt ceiling that we hope, like hell,

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Speaker 3: we're never going to achieve.

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Speaker 1: Would you have liked to have seen more for the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory when it comes to the federal budget. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was incredible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think it's about seventy seventy

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Speaker 3: federal government. I don't really know how we could ask

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Speaker 3: for more. I mean, of course, you know, we all

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Speaker 3: have wish lists. We'd love other projects to get up

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Speaker 3: and I'll always be fighting hard for further investment. But

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Speaker 3: I think the hundreds of millions of dollars into roads

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Speaker 3: funding is obviously critical, not just for gas, for cattle,

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Speaker 1: Well, if you do want to get in contact with

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Speaker 1: continue to debate the bail legislation, which well did eventually

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Speaker 3: Yes, we supported the bill as a whole, but we

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Speaker 3: We were there until about nine point thirty last night,

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Speaker 3: Katie asking the Minister for Police hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say there was an absolute

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Speaker 3: There's plenty of carve outs in this legislation that will

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Speaker 3: the expectation that territories had. Of course, in March, the

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Speaker 3: the reality is that the legislation just doesn't deliver on that.

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Speaker 2: So it's a little shimmy in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: We did ask the question yesterday, In fact, we asked

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Speaker 1: what is going to be considered an exceptional circumstance. We

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Speaker 1: the minister introducing that legislation. Did you get an answer

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Speaker 2: And this is what I mean by chronic lack of leadership.

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Speaker 3: There are three words that provide a get out of

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Speaker 3: prove that breaches were trivial, technical, or exceptional, then off

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Speaker 3: point in parliament, that is when a government gives it

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Speaker 3: sets the intention of what it's trying to do. It

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Speaker 3: interpret it. Leadership comes from making the law the courts

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Speaker 3: interpret the law. And so Nicole Madison refused to give

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Speaker 3: any indication of what she would expect trivial to be

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Speaker 3: the courts do this all the time and they'll be

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Speaker 3: doing all these things.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we beg to differ.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't be standing in Parliament redbating Boo legislation if

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Speaker 2: The courts are there to interpret it.

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Speaker 3: They're just working with what they've been given and unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: once again they've been given something that doesn't meet community expectation.

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Speaker 3: And that's because there is a fundamental lack of leadership

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Speaker 3: what we saw was a political solution yesterday, not a

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Speaker 2: To Laura and Order lea yes or no.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this legislative change is going to

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Speaker 3: I think it will make a tiny difference, and that's

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Speaker 3: why we supported it. There are parts of it which

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Speaker 2: They might make some difference.

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Speaker 3: It will slow down some offenders who are out on bow,

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Speaker 3: but it's incredibly limited.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge missed opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I mean this legislation, those bail components, these revocation of

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Speaker 3: which is very narrowly different.

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Speaker 1: For I want to talk about the situation that unfolded

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Speaker 1: in time who committed these crimes. The police are still

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Speaker 1: stole alcohol and attempted to move draws. Lea. Have you

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Speaker 3: I woke up and the first thing I saw was

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Speaker 3: photos of the carnage at the Zacholi celebrations and of

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Speaker 3: course that's a mum and dad, territory owned local business

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Speaker 3: And I think the fact that this government's alcohol policies

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Speaker 2: It goes through the roof.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the people who are in that Zacholi

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Speaker 3: it's absolutely horrific. And again where's the gunn of government

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Speaker 1: Are going to be catching up with Shelley, the owner

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Speaker 1: of the Zacoli Celebrations in IgA out there to find

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Speaker 1: out how they are going this morning, Leah. A message

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Speaker 1: from a listener this morning. It says, good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Can you please ask Leah why they caved in this

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Speaker 1: Territorian was not counting on the opposition to let these

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Speaker 3: So we made a very firm commitment to Territorians that

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't play politics with this issue and if the

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Speaker 3: certainly elements of this bill that will slow down a

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Speaker 3: very small group of offenders who are on bal and

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Speaker 3: that's a positive thing. It's a wasted and missed opportunity,

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Speaker 3: without question, and there's plenty of huge holes in it,

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Speaker 3: as we drove trucks through them last night, but it

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Speaker 2: Alt met Lee.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the government have the numbers and they'll ram

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Speaker 3: through whatever they like. But we did stand firm on

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Speaker 3: this watering down garbage that they brought up yesterday.

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Speaker 2: With that amendment and we voted against that.

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Speaker 3: Lea.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to get ready to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: It's such a busy morning, but we understand. And I

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Speaker 1: asked by the Deputy Opposition Leader Jered Mayley about testing

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Speaker 1: rapid testing that comes back, as I understand it in

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Speaker 1: as little as fifteen minutes in some cases. Why has

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Speaker 1: this changed from what you could gather during question time?

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Speaker 3: Well, the Chief Minister put on a hysterical performance in

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Speaker 3: response to this question instead of treating it as serious

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Speaker 3: as it is. We know, of course they've booted Ozmatt

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Speaker 3: out of the facility. They don't want to talk about that,

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Speaker 3: but it's the truth. And when Ozmat were running international quarantine,

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Speaker 3: which is the most high risk part of quarantine because

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Speaker 3: it's international arrival, those staff were being tested every single

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Speaker 3: day and getting their results within fifteen minutes. So it's

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Speaker 3: very very effective and efficient. We now know the Territory

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Speaker 3: government has moved into that facility, has flexed its muscles

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Speaker 3: and now testing could take up to twenty four hours. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: that presents an enormous risk to the community, and the

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Speaker 3: fact that the Chief Minister didn't even have the courtesy

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Speaker 3: or the care factor to answer our question properly just

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Speaker 3: shows how arrogant and out of touch they really are.

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Speaker 1: This decision, though, was obviously been made by the health

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Speaker 1: professionals out there, I would guess, or I would assume,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't we listen to the advice of those health professionals?

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess we might never know that, Katie and

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Speaker 3: I can't help but think there's got to be a

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Speaker 3: dollar figure attached to this decision. We do know that

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Speaker 3: the federal government giving the territory five hundred and fourteen

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Speaker 3: million dollars to run into national quarantine. The Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: sprooped that in his budget reply last week. So I

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Speaker 3: can't understand why you would make that snap change from

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Speaker 3: a fifteen minute test to a twenty four hour test.

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Speaker 3: And to me, I almost put money on the fact

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Speaker 3: that there was money involved.

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Speaker 1: Oppositionally to lea finocquiaro. We are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Good to catch up with you