1 00:00:09,685 --> 00:00:10,725 Speaker 1: I Heeart podcasts. 2 00:00:10,845 --> 00:00:12,965 Speaker 2: You can hear more Gold one I four point three 3 00:00:13,045 --> 00:00:17,005 Speaker 2: podcast playlist and listen live on the free iHeart app 4 00:00:18,204 --> 00:00:19,084 Speaker 2: That anything good. 5 00:00:19,725 --> 00:00:23,884 Speaker 3: Hey, this is the Christian O'Connell Show podcast. 6 00:00:27,445 --> 00:00:29,525 Speaker 2: We've got the Prime Minister live on the line now, 7 00:00:29,565 --> 00:00:34,045 Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Prime Minister, good morning, Thank you 8 00:00:34,165 --> 00:00:37,165 Speaker 2: very much for joining us. I first of all, I 9 00:00:37,165 --> 00:00:39,245 Speaker 2: thought it'd be really nice if you can offer a 10 00:00:39,285 --> 00:00:42,365 Speaker 2: message to us. So are still very shook up from 11 00:00:42,365 --> 00:00:45,445 Speaker 2: the events on Sunday. What words of hope and support 12 00:00:45,805 --> 00:00:47,805 Speaker 2: can you offer us right now, Prime Minister. 13 00:00:49,085 --> 00:00:52,604 Speaker 3: That Australia will come through this. We are a brave 14 00:00:52,765 --> 00:00:58,885 Speaker 3: country and this is the darkest of times for an 15 00:00:58,885 --> 00:01:05,525 Speaker 3: anti Semitic terrorist attack to occur on a Hanikah celebration. 16 00:01:06,085 --> 00:01:09,925 Speaker 3: Hanikah celebrates the first world of light, the victoria of 17 00:01:10,165 --> 00:01:13,525 Speaker 3: a light over darkness, and we will come through this, 18 00:01:13,645 --> 00:01:18,525 Speaker 3: will come through it together with national unity. And my 19 00:01:18,605 --> 00:01:23,565 Speaker 3: heart goes out to the community today and every day. 20 00:01:23,645 --> 00:01:26,325 Speaker 3: But today particularly will be a difficult day with the 21 00:01:26,365 --> 00:01:29,125 Speaker 3: first funerals underway, and how. 22 00:01:28,965 --> 00:01:31,165 Speaker 1: Do we stick together right now as a community. 23 00:01:31,325 --> 00:01:33,845 Speaker 2: Already you're seeing these incredible scenes of people queuing for 24 00:01:33,965 --> 00:01:36,845 Speaker 2: hours to donate blood. People want to help, people wanted 25 00:01:36,845 --> 00:01:39,325 Speaker 2: to support each other. We want to feel closer to 26 00:01:39,365 --> 00:01:42,485 Speaker 2: each other right now, don't we? 27 00:01:42,485 --> 00:01:46,005 Speaker 3: We do? And last night the Governor General hosted an 28 00:01:46,005 --> 00:01:50,685 Speaker 3: event at Admiralty House and there was lots of hugging 29 00:01:51,605 --> 00:01:58,325 Speaker 3: and just warm embraces with leaders of the Jewish community, 30 00:01:58,445 --> 00:02:04,245 Speaker 3: with people across the political spectrum who came together last night. 31 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:09,965 Speaker 3: And it is a difficult period. The Australians are reaching out. 32 00:02:10,525 --> 00:02:16,125 Speaker 3: Australians are lighting candles in their front windows as a 33 00:02:16,205 --> 00:02:21,005 Speaker 3: symbol of Hanaker and a symbol of the victory of light. 34 00:02:21,605 --> 00:02:25,325 Speaker 3: Australians are queuing in their tens of thousands to donate 35 00:02:25,365 --> 00:02:30,925 Speaker 3: blood in order to assist people. And I think people 36 00:02:31,085 --> 00:02:37,445 Speaker 3: are engaging with each other about the values that matter. 37 00:02:37,525 --> 00:02:41,285 Speaker 3: What terrorists seek to do is to pit Australian against 38 00:02:41,285 --> 00:02:46,765 Speaker 3: Australians and to promote division in the world. And this 39 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:54,525 Speaker 3: is an Isis inspired attack that cannot be allowed to succeed. 40 00:02:54,645 --> 00:02:57,965 Speaker 3: And the way that we hurt that attack is by 41 00:02:58,445 --> 00:03:04,805 Speaker 3: uniting is coming together as Australians and providing support, particularly 42 00:03:04,845 --> 00:03:07,645 Speaker 3: for the Jewish community at this difficult time. 43 00:03:08,565 --> 00:03:11,205 Speaker 2: When you took about the darkness and the light and 44 00:03:11,245 --> 00:03:14,445 Speaker 2: the meaning for Hannahker as well. The real light that 45 00:03:14,565 --> 00:03:17,685 Speaker 2: also came on Sunday was incredible. I don't think any 46 00:03:17,685 --> 00:03:19,965 Speaker 2: of us have seen anything. And the man of the 47 00:03:19,965 --> 00:03:23,045 Speaker 2: moment Australian of the armed and I think you actually 48 00:03:23,085 --> 00:03:24,644 Speaker 2: went and saw him and visited him. 49 00:03:25,045 --> 00:03:27,005 Speaker 1: How is he? Everyone wants to know how is he? 50 00:03:28,765 --> 00:03:33,445 Speaker 3: I did see him yesterday in hospital. He's being operated 51 00:03:33,485 --> 00:03:42,685 Speaker 3: on today. It's quite an extensive operation. He had substantial wounds, 52 00:03:42,685 --> 00:03:48,045 Speaker 3: but was in a very upbeat mood. He's a very 53 00:03:48,165 --> 00:03:53,125 Speaker 3: humble man. His parents are visiting him at the moment 54 00:03:53,245 --> 00:03:57,645 Speaker 3: and they were very proud, quite rightly of their son. 55 00:03:58,485 --> 00:04:03,605 Speaker 3: This is someone who ran towards danger, put himself at risk, 56 00:04:04,165 --> 00:04:06,285 Speaker 3: and we know that there were a number of heroes 57 00:04:07,045 --> 00:04:14,485 Speaker 3: as well on Sunday. He armored is someone who I 58 00:04:14,525 --> 00:04:17,765 Speaker 3: think shows the best of the Australian character. He didn't 59 00:04:17,765 --> 00:04:21,765 Speaker 3: think of himself, he thought of others and as a 60 00:04:21,805 --> 00:04:25,204 Speaker 3: direct result of his intervention, lives were saved. 61 00:04:25,844 --> 00:04:29,085 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incredible, incredible story, and you're right, he 62 00:04:29,164 --> 00:04:33,084 Speaker 2: embodies the best of us. That's Australia, that's Australian values, 63 00:04:33,125 --> 00:04:35,005 Speaker 2: isn't it. 64 00:04:35,005 --> 00:04:39,525 Speaker 3: It certainly is And This is someone who wor was 65 00:04:39,685 --> 00:04:44,164 Speaker 3: with friends heading down to Bondo Beach on a Sunday 66 00:04:44,205 --> 00:04:48,284 Speaker 3: afternoon to get a cup of coffee was what he 67 00:04:48,685 --> 00:04:52,284 Speaker 3: wanted to do. He came across the festival that was 68 00:04:52,325 --> 00:04:57,765 Speaker 3: taking place and someone invited him to join. It was 69 00:04:57,804 --> 00:05:05,164 Speaker 3: a very open celebration of joy, and so he was 70 00:05:05,245 --> 00:05:10,684 Speaker 3: aware that of the festival taking place, and then shots 71 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:17,565 Speaker 3: started to ring out and mister l Armored intervened in 72 00:05:17,604 --> 00:05:19,844 Speaker 3: a way that made an enormous difference. 73 00:05:20,005 --> 00:05:21,804 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you must be aware of this, go 74 00:05:21,924 --> 00:05:24,045 Speaker 2: fund me, Paige. I think it's up to two and 75 00:05:24,085 --> 00:05:27,404 Speaker 2: a half million dollars, not just from Australians once the 76 00:05:27,484 --> 00:05:29,124 Speaker 2: support him from all over the world. 77 00:05:30,645 --> 00:05:34,484 Speaker 3: Well, he's got a small business that is currently not 78 00:05:34,604 --> 00:05:38,724 Speaker 3: able to operate because he's in hospital and that will 79 00:05:38,724 --> 00:05:44,244 Speaker 3: certainly help. But indeed, not just Armored, but people who 80 00:05:44,484 --> 00:05:48,124 Speaker 3: lost their lives. There are heroic stories in today's news. 81 00:05:48,164 --> 00:05:52,284 Speaker 3: Boris and Sophia German, a married couple in their sixties 82 00:05:52,325 --> 00:05:54,964 Speaker 3: who tried to take down one of the governments right 83 00:05:55,005 --> 00:05:59,484 Speaker 3: at the very beginning of the attack before they were murdered. 84 00:06:00,044 --> 00:06:04,205 Speaker 3: Ruben Morrison, who threw bricks at the government heading towards 85 00:06:04,325 --> 00:06:12,284 Speaker 3: danger before he was murdered. These heroes, and I think 86 00:06:12,525 --> 00:06:15,924 Speaker 3: at a time when you look at the events of 87 00:06:16,044 --> 00:06:24,364 Speaker 3: Sunday with shock and horror, this is of some comfort 88 00:06:24,404 --> 00:06:27,085 Speaker 3: about what the true Australian character is. 89 00:06:27,565 --> 00:06:30,284 Speaker 2: Yeah, beautifully said, and I think a lot of people 90 00:06:30,325 --> 00:06:32,725 Speaker 2: listening right now as well, a Prime minister is there 91 00:06:32,804 --> 00:06:35,165 Speaker 2: is obviously a need for unity as well. But are 92 00:06:35,205 --> 00:06:37,484 Speaker 2: there gaps in the gun laws? We're in this situation 93 00:06:37,525 --> 00:06:40,765 Speaker 2: where a guy living in the inner suburbs, what does 94 00:06:40,804 --> 00:06:43,685 Speaker 2: he need a license for to have six guns? Are 95 00:06:43,724 --> 00:06:47,445 Speaker 2: there gaps in the laws that need to change. 96 00:06:47,724 --> 00:06:53,085 Speaker 3: Well, clearly in my view there are a need for tightening. 97 00:06:53,125 --> 00:06:56,765 Speaker 3: These gun laws were introduced, of course in nineteen ninety 98 00:06:56,765 --> 00:06:59,565 Speaker 3: six in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre. If 99 00:06:59,604 --> 00:07:02,724 Speaker 3: we need to do anything to tighten them, up state 100 00:07:02,724 --> 00:07:06,124 Speaker 3: and territory governments, so I brought together in order to 101 00:07:06,164 --> 00:07:07,485 Speaker 3: make sure we do just that. 102 00:07:08,924 --> 00:07:11,085 Speaker 2: Great, that's good to hear that actually, and I think 103 00:07:11,085 --> 00:07:12,405 Speaker 2: a lot of people as well. You know, this time 104 00:07:12,485 --> 00:07:14,645 Speaker 2: of year, obviously Hannaka is still going on. There are 105 00:07:14,645 --> 00:07:16,925 Speaker 2: going to be festivals, are going to be public gatherings, 106 00:07:16,885 --> 00:07:19,405 Speaker 2: there's summertime, some of holidays are coming up soon, you know. 107 00:07:19,445 --> 00:07:22,045 Speaker 2: I'm looking out over the Harbor Bridge, you know, and 108 00:07:22,085 --> 00:07:24,124 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the fireworks on New Year's Eve? 109 00:07:24,525 --> 00:07:27,285 Speaker 1: Can people feel safe gathering in public? 110 00:07:29,685 --> 00:07:33,205 Speaker 3: Look, we need to make sure that fear doesn't win 111 00:07:33,405 --> 00:07:41,564 Speaker 3: here and that people continue to conduct their lives and 112 00:07:41,965 --> 00:07:48,405 Speaker 3: express their sense of community. These are there is an 113 00:07:48,445 --> 00:07:52,645 Speaker 3: increasingly dangerous world that we live in tragically, but we 114 00:07:52,765 --> 00:07:56,085 Speaker 3: can't allow fear to win. That's what that's what the 115 00:07:56,205 --> 00:08:02,405 Speaker 3: terrorists seek. And you know the actions of Australians I 116 00:08:02,405 --> 00:08:09,405 Speaker 3: don't think will be cowered by what has occurred. Yeah, 117 00:08:09,485 --> 00:08:16,645 Speaker 3: these people evil, they were cowards and their actions were 118 00:08:16,725 --> 00:08:17,525 Speaker 3: an atrocity. 119 00:08:19,245 --> 00:08:21,085 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for speaking us today. I can 120 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:24,005 Speaker 2: tell that actually, you know, in a job like yours, 121 00:08:24,085 --> 00:08:28,085 Speaker 2: you deal with some a situations, difficult situations, horrific situations. 122 00:08:28,364 --> 00:08:30,325 Speaker 2: But I get the feeling talking to you today, Prime Minister, 123 00:08:30,605 --> 00:08:33,005 Speaker 2: even you're struggling with this and also the stuff that 124 00:08:33,045 --> 00:08:34,925 Speaker 2: you would have been across the last couple of days. 125 00:08:34,925 --> 00:08:37,245 Speaker 1: It must be heavy for you as well on a 126 00:08:37,245 --> 00:08:37,925 Speaker 1: personal level. 127 00:08:37,925 --> 00:08:39,965 Speaker 2: And I know you're stoic and I thought you spoke 128 00:08:40,165 --> 00:08:42,165 Speaker 2: very very well Monday, And this is a time for 129 00:08:42,765 --> 00:08:45,285 Speaker 2: leaders in all shapes and forms to step up, not 130 00:08:45,324 --> 00:08:47,844 Speaker 2: just elected ones like yourself, but in the community as well, 131 00:08:47,845 --> 00:08:50,125 Speaker 2: for us all to step up and be leaders as well. 132 00:08:50,125 --> 00:08:51,965 Speaker 2: But this must be hard for you, as the Prime 133 00:08:51,965 --> 00:08:55,405 Speaker 2: minister this country to just be yeah, to be around 134 00:08:55,405 --> 00:08:58,285 Speaker 2: for it this week and through it all. 135 00:08:58,365 --> 00:09:03,005 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Christian, But that's my responsibility. My thoughts are 136 00:09:03,165 --> 00:09:11,005 Speaker 3: really with those greeting their loved ones. That is my priority. 137 00:09:11,965 --> 00:09:14,365 Speaker 3: They are doing it tough. I've been to homes of 138 00:09:14,485 --> 00:09:17,645 Speaker 3: people in the last couple of days as well as 139 00:09:18,045 --> 00:09:21,885 Speaker 3: having meetings as well, and my thoughts are with them today. 140 00:09:22,245 --> 00:09:25,445 Speaker 2: Yeah, beautifully said, it's been the reaction of what's happened 141 00:09:25,485 --> 00:09:28,604 Speaker 2: since Sunday night has been nothing but humbling. It actually 142 00:09:28,645 --> 00:09:30,804 Speaker 2: reminds us that there are way more good people in 143 00:09:30,885 --> 00:09:33,565 Speaker 2: the world than evil and it's an aberration that happened 144 00:09:33,605 --> 00:09:34,285 Speaker 2: on Sunday night. 145 00:09:34,324 --> 00:09:35,965 Speaker 1: It's not the norm here in Australia. 146 00:09:36,045 --> 00:09:40,484 Speaker 2: And all these everyday heroes that acted that took action, 147 00:09:40,645 --> 00:09:42,125 Speaker 2: you know, and I can't even imagine what it's like 148 00:09:42,125 --> 00:09:43,245 Speaker 2: to be in a situation like that. 149 00:09:43,444 --> 00:09:45,165 Speaker 1: None of us know how we'd really handled it. 150 00:09:45,324 --> 00:09:47,325 Speaker 2: But don't you think it's also been humbling in the 151 00:09:47,365 --> 00:09:50,925 Speaker 2: wake of that, just the day to day how people 152 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:54,125 Speaker 2: have reacted to support each other. There's something really beautiful 153 00:09:54,165 --> 00:09:56,885 Speaker 2: and moving about it. 154 00:09:56,885 --> 00:10:01,885 Speaker 3: It is Christian. Indeed, we are overwhelmingly a great nation, 155 00:10:02,405 --> 00:10:05,405 Speaker 3: and we're a great nation because we're a great people, 156 00:10:06,045 --> 00:10:08,405 Speaker 3: and people will come together. We will overcome this. 157 00:10:09,245 --> 00:10:09,445 Speaker 1: Well. 158 00:10:09,684 --> 00:10:11,965 Speaker 2: I moved here seven years ago and I think Australia 159 00:10:12,045 --> 00:10:15,045 Speaker 2: is such an amazing country and I'm proud to be 160 00:10:15,125 --> 00:10:17,604 Speaker 2: living in Australia. I think you asked all the lucky company. 161 00:10:17,725 --> 00:10:20,525 Speaker 2: They are a lucky country. It's an amazing place full 162 00:10:20,525 --> 00:10:23,125 Speaker 2: of amazing people and kind hearted people. And we saw 163 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:24,844 Speaker 2: that Sunday, and we've seen it over the last couple 164 00:10:24,885 --> 00:10:26,525 Speaker 2: of days and we will see it over the next 165 00:10:26,564 --> 00:10:29,084 Speaker 2: couple of days as well. Australia will I don't want 166 00:10:29,084 --> 00:10:32,484 Speaker 2: to say bounce back because it's morning right now. We're 167 00:10:32,525 --> 00:10:35,405 Speaker 2: all feeling this, but there's also an air of defiance 168 00:10:35,444 --> 00:10:38,405 Speaker 2: and actually acts like Sunday night. They don't change anything, 169 00:10:38,485 --> 00:10:41,364 Speaker 2: they don't get to take our joy from us. 170 00:10:42,885 --> 00:10:45,485 Speaker 3: Indeed, thank you very much, Christian. 171 00:10:45,324 --> 00:10:46,965 Speaker 2: Take care, promise to thank you for bringing up some 172 00:10:47,005 --> 00:10:48,564 Speaker 2: time and speaking to the show today, and have a 173 00:10:48,605 --> 00:10:49,405 Speaker 2: happy Christmas. 174 00:10:49,564 --> 00:10:53,204 Speaker 3: Thank you. The Christian O'Connell Show podcast,