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Speaker 1: Room room, the cutting room for Well, here we go,

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Speaker 1: cutting room four.

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Speaker 2: I thought we'd talked about something called boy sober. This

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Speaker 2: seems to be a new trend, going boy sober or

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Speaker 2: girl sober. That famous people like Julia Fox, Chloe Kardashi,

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Speaker 2: and Lenny Kravitz are all adopting celibacy, I mean sor

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Speaker 2: right for them, They've had a lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Of doing it. Yeah, made up for the rest of us.

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Speaker 2: The idea, though, of going boy sober, for example, is

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Speaker 2: this is a young TikToker who coined the term. So

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Speaker 2: she's taken a celibacy pledge for herself because she's just

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Speaker 2: sat a headspace was being taken up with too much.

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Speaker 2: So there's no dating apps, no dates, no x's, no

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Speaker 2: situationships now hugs, no kisses, she said. And you're not

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Speaker 2: single if someone's takeing up brain space. So all those

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Speaker 2: years that you've spent out of a committed relationship is

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Speaker 2: still yearning for an X, don't She said that this

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Speaker 2: is the plan is to go cold turkey and get

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Speaker 2: rid of it all and clear your head.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know that sounds appealing, and I'm married.

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Speaker 3: Because you're living that life already.

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Speaker 5: The idea where you just you know, you don't have

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Speaker 5: to answer to anyone. Well, this that would be kind

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Speaker 5: of cool. I guess I would get lonely, but it

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Speaker 5: would be cool just to not answer to anyone because

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Speaker 5: there are.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people who are just obsessed with finding love, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or finding hookups or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: And we've had it.

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Speaker 2: We've had a spike in what they call sex positive

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Speaker 2: feminism and the destigmatization of women enjoying in casual sex.

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Speaker 3: So this has now been the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's all the aby chatfields and whatever I'm saying, don't

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Speaker 2: shame us, don't judge us.

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Speaker 3: We're living our lives. This is a reaction to that.

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Speaker 2: The pendulum is swinging again and the latest trend is

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Speaker 2: reclaiming your celibacy and going boy so and clearing head.

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Speaker 2: Someone has said here, I did it for six months

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Speaker 2: and it was literally life changing.

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Speaker 3: It's like being what do they call it, sober curious?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, this is.

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Speaker 2: Boy sober so sober curious is where you try not

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Speaker 2: drinking for a while and just clear system out and

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Speaker 2: see how you feel. This is the same without the

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Speaker 2: dating apps and all the swipes, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Six months without sex that's a walk in the park.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, should try being married long too.

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Speaker 4: I could do that that do it on the head.

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Speaker 2: When you were young, Would that ever have ended your

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Speaker 2: mind that you'd like to be celibate?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: No, But I wasn't one of those guys that we

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Speaker 5: was out for women, you know, had to chase women.

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Speaker 5: Women were sort of like it was great if they

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Speaker 5: came along into my life. But I wasn't on someone that.

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Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't girl crazy. You know, those guys

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Speaker 5: are a girl crazy with their kids. There was one

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Speaker 5: made of mine and I look at him. He's still going,

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Speaker 5: but he's not married, just still always you know, he's

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Speaker 5: fifty six, you know, and he's got you know, I

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Speaker 5: had a bit of a relationship there. He's got a

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Speaker 5: kid from this lady and a kid from another lady.

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Speaker 5: He just you know, I don't think he ever settled down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they say.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this about j Lo, that she has

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Speaker 2: trouble being satisfied. Yeah, maybe she should go boy sober.

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Speaker 2: If this is true, that should breaking up from ben Affleck.

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Speaker 2: And apparently the house is on the market sixty four million.

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Speaker 2: If you're interested, she should go boy sober. And for

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Speaker 2: a while, did Taylor Swift go boy sober? Or she

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Speaker 2: just didn't talk about her relationships for a while because

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Speaker 2: people who had the public thinks that you're constantly on

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Speaker 2: the lookout for love. Yeah, kind of judge you in

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Speaker 2: a way, don't they. They think you're needy. So maybe

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Speaker 2: boy sober is a good idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's because you look at guys.

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Speaker 5: When guys get together as a group, they're always willing

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Speaker 5: to get away from the women. And I was thinking

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Speaker 5: about my late uncle Peter, and he was old school

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Speaker 5: misogynist and he is the thing so his LinkedIn profile

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Speaker 5: and he is thing Miaonti pad is the most lovely person.

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Speaker 6: What I love pat But he was so like almost

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Speaker 6: mean to her in a way with his misogyny. And

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Speaker 6: I used to always think, but his thing was, I

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Speaker 6: don't want naging women telling me what to do. I

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Speaker 6: want to get away from the women, you know, always

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Speaker 6: getting away from the women.

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Speaker 4: It was almost like they had their place.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a different culture now we've spoken about

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Speaker 2: that that guys can't they're finding it hard to get

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Speaker 2: club crickets because it takes two days to play a

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Speaker 2: game of cricket and the guys, and now our relationships

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Speaker 2: are different. Men have to do childcare, men have to

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Speaker 2: do shopping and domestic duties. It's all equal. Now you

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Speaker 2: can't spend two days doing your own.

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Speaker 5: Goof of Yeah, and all the guys get accused of

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Speaker 5: being a simp if they're attendive to their women by

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Speaker 5: who I think, by other guys. I think you can't

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Speaker 5: play golf for four hours, you're a simp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think the world is changing where men

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Speaker 2: choose to spend time with their lives, the women go

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Speaker 2: to the pub with them.

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Speaker 3: They're allowed to. Now life is changing.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: In the old days, and you're old enough to remember this,

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Speaker 5: they used to just have the lady bar.

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Speaker 4: I was for the man. That was the men's bar

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Speaker 4: and the woman.

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Speaker 5: I've heard of stories where the women would sit out

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Speaker 5: in the car with the kids while the man was

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Speaker 5: in there for the six o'clock swill, and then he'd

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Speaker 5: get in and drive the car.

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Speaker 2: These were the years of women had no agency because

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Speaker 2: they didn't earn a living, They had no authority on

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Speaker 2: their own, whereas now men and women meet in the middle.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why things are changing. So when you

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Speaker 2: look at your uncle's thinking old school misogyny. How did

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Speaker 2: that manifest? Just meaning the way he spoke about I

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Speaker 2: don't want I just want to take off and not

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Speaker 2: have women around me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want bossy women. I don't you know

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Speaker 5: that was I don't want bossy women around me. I

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Speaker 5: want to do my own thing. And as I said,

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Speaker 5: Artie Patt was lovely, never never nagged him at all,

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Speaker 5: you know, it was just it was. It's interesting, it

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Speaker 5: was of a time. It was of a time.

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Speaker 4: But for me, my wife's always wanting me to get

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Speaker 4: out of the house.

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Speaker 3: She's gone boys sober some time ago.

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Speaker 4: She went at LEAs she just went me.

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Speaker 2: So she's the lucky one

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Speaker 1: Combats love from Lord Chauncey then just coming rou