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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy and Sophie.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, Sarah's Day is in hot water over

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Speaker 1: ads complaint, Math's tone deaf nude photo scandal, and Hannah

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Speaker 1: Auvil's surprising relationship update. The first on Monday, Sarah's Day

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Speaker 1: gave birth to her second son, whose name is yet

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Speaker 1: to be revealed. And it was quite a special day,

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Speaker 1: March the fourteenth. It was also our birthday. And Amy,

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Speaker 1: I know that you had a bet going that Sarah's

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Speaker 1: Day's baby would be born on our birthday, and you

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Speaker 1: were correct. I was saying to Sophie, I wish that

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Speaker 1: there were betting steaks on sports. Better about this because

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Speaker 1: I said, weeks ago, I had a feeling that she

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Speaker 1: was going to give birth to her second child on

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Speaker 1: our birthday, so it didn't surprise me when she went

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Speaker 1: into labor on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Well, she has spent the last three days in hospital

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Speaker 2: with her newborn baby, and as you said, Kate, we

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Speaker 2: are yet to find out the name. However, it hasn't

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Speaker 2: stop people from guessing. At the moment, the current guess

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Speaker 2: is Malachi, and I feel like followers might be onto

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Speaker 2: something because they did spot his name card on his

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Speaker 2: crib and a super sleuth they zoomed up because it

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Speaker 2: was quite blurry, but they believe it looks like it

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Speaker 2: spells out Malachi, and I feel like they are onto

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Speaker 2: something when you also look at the origins of the name,

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Speaker 2: because it means messenger of God or my angel. And

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Speaker 2: when Sarah went into labor, she put up an Instagram

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Speaker 2: story that said she was on her way and she

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Speaker 2: put a little angel emoji, so people are assuming she

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Speaker 2: was dropping a couple of hints. When she was pregnant

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Speaker 2: with Fox, she did some ocean little wave emojis, and

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Speaker 2: that was in reference to his middle name, which is

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Speaker 2: of course Ocean.

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Speaker 1: And now, so when you say people we have to

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Speaker 1: give credit. These are super slouths on tattle Life who

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Speaker 1: have been all over Sarah's Day's recent birth.

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Speaker 2: They're fantastic investigators.

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Speaker 1: The FBI needs them well. I have been feeling quite

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Speaker 1: sorry for Sarah Curtin Fox because they were all struck

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Speaker 1: down with a flu. It's quite funny because they keep

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Speaker 1: talking about this illness that they have and how Sarah's

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Speaker 1: having to stay in her room and be away from

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Speaker 1: the nursery, and for a second I thought, shit, they've

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Speaker 1: got COVID, but Sarah did confirm that they do not

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Speaker 1: have COVID. It's a bad flu that seems to be

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Speaker 1: hanging around. I personally could not think of anything worse

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Speaker 1: than having to give birth with a fluey type cold

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Speaker 1: like that would be horrendous. I feel like there has

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Speaker 1: been increased interest around the birth, particularly because Sarah and

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Speaker 1: Kurt did announce during their pregnancy that sadly, the baby

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Speaker 1: does have some undisclosed health conditions, and because of that

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Speaker 1: undisclosed health issue, Sarah explained how she has had a

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Speaker 1: twenty four hour nurse with her that would usually be

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Speaker 1: in the special care nursery. However, because Sarah is sick,

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Speaker 1: they've given her this nurse in her room because they

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Speaker 1: want her to be able to bond with the baby

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Speaker 1: and have skin on skin. I am really wondering where

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Speaker 1: it goes from here, because Sarah on her last announcement

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Speaker 1: said she's heading home and she's actually getting ready to

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Speaker 1: take the photo of the baby, and I'm assuming that

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Speaker 1: would in the name announcement because this pregnancy has been

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Speaker 1: very different to her first. She's been very low key

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Speaker 1: about announcing her pregnancy first of all, and then also

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Speaker 1: the gender. So I am wondering, do you guys think

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Speaker 1: it's just going to be an Instagram post or do

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Speaker 1: you think she'll drag the name reveal out like she

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Speaker 1: did with fog Well, I heard on the Health Code

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Speaker 1: Daily podcast she did say that they would be doing

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Speaker 1: a whole podcast episode dedicated to revealing the name. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is some kind of deal

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Speaker 1: with Spotify that maybe she's announcing it this way. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming she's also going to do a name reveal vlog,

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Speaker 1: so maybe she's going to time it that her vlog

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Speaker 1: and her podcast come out at the same time. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think she'll leave the name for the

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Speaker 1: she explained that the room was too dark for her

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Speaker 1: vlog camera to pick up. However, her iPhone was better

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Speaker 1: at filming, so she's got everything on there. She said,

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Speaker 1: she's even got the baby coming out, but it's too

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Speaker 2: Now Sarah and Kurt have shared a couple of videos

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Speaker 2: of the baby on their Instagram story, but we haven't

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Speaker 2: writing in a really awful message to Sarah, guessing what

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Speaker 2: the undisclosed health condition is and saying that she's too

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Speaker 2: ashamed to show the face because of this condition. It

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Speaker 2: was really appalling this message, and Sarah chose to share

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Speaker 2: the person's message with their name attached, and she wrote,

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Speaker 2: what is actually wrong with some people? I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 2: this is disgusting. I'm sick of people thinking that because

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Speaker 2: I have a larger follower number than the average person,

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Speaker 2: it's okay to speak to me like this. If this

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Speaker 2: is your attitude, please unfollow me, please. She did explain

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Speaker 2: that she wanted to take a proper photo of the

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Speaker 2: to share.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants to take that proper Instagram photo, she said,

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Speaker 2: And while that might seem a little bit like she

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Speaker 2: a lot of parents do wait a couple of days

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Speaker 1: Well, Instagram is her business as well. So she's hardly

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Speaker 1: going to be like it's all about teasing and creating.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, influencers, this is a big payday for them.

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Speaker 1: As disgusting as it is in terms of Sarah sharing

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Speaker 1: that woman's name, that obviously this person is going to

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Speaker 1: receive a lot of hate. Sarah said that this person

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Speaker 1: is a nurse. And while I think that the message

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Speaker 1: was totally disgusting, I'm just so against people doxing people online,

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Speaker 1: particularly when they've got over a million followers. I think

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Speaker 1: her phone because she's obviously going to be very emotional.

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Speaker 1: As if I mean that comment would be offensive to anyone,

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Speaker 1: not when you consider that she's just come out of

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Speaker 1: just think, step away from your phone. I felt the

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Speaker 1: same thing, Kate. I did think the comment was disgusting,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like you can still call comments out

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Speaker 1: like that and maybe just wipe out the person's name

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Speaker 1: because it takes away from what Sarah is saying in

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Speaker 1: the first place. Because now I feel like a lot

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Speaker 2: See I completely disagree. I think that if you're happy

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Speaker 2: it in your own name, then you should have the

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Speaker 2: consequences of that person sharing the message.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that has a whole ramification. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what if this person we don't know what mental state

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Speaker 1: of these death threats and messages and you know, go

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Speaker 1: do something.

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Speaker 2: Terrible like you just never know. We don't know the

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Speaker 2: mental state of the person. For instance, the new mum

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Speaker 1: Two wrongs don't make her right, do they?

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Speaker 3: Two rights at times don't make it's not necessarily right,

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Speaker 3: and she's forever pushing my intelligent intelligence. Two rights it

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Speaker 3: don't necessarily mean it's right. Two wrongs sometimes don't make

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Speaker 3: her right either.

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Speaker 1: At standards is dismissed complaints that Sarah's Day's controversial fitness

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Speaker 1: program promotion breach the code of ethics. The self proclaimed

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Speaker 1: who have or are at risk of developing eating disorders. Now, Kate. Firstly,

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Speaker 1: let's refresh everyone's memories with a flashback to Sarah's promotion.

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Speaker 4: To the girl who lays in bed every night and

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Speaker 4: overthinks everything she ate that day, To the girl who

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Speaker 4: to the girl who dwells in guilt if she misses

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Speaker 5: I was you.

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Speaker 4: Getting myself to this point was far deeper than just

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Speaker 4: the physical. It was about changing my mindset and creating

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Speaker 4: a lifestyle, nourishing my body, listening to my body, moving

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Speaker 4: because I love my body, not because I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: fix it. So shout out to the girls who have

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Speaker 4: come full circle and can rest in balance, consistency over burnout,

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Speaker 1: Following this promotion, the backlash was with not only the

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Speaker 1: general public, but experts also labeling the promotion as unethical

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Speaker 1: and if you recall, eating disorder recovery coach Mia Finlay

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Speaker 1: explained to viewers just how damaging the marketing of Sarah's

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Speaker 1: that it seemed like the marketing was directed at people

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Speaker 1: unhealthy relationships with movement and food. Now. Following the controversy,

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Speaker 1: AD Standards received several complaints accusing Sarah of breaching Section

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Speaker 1: two point six of the aaana's Code of Ethics, which

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Speaker 1: contrary to prevailing community standards on health and safety. The

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Speaker 1: complaints outlined four key areas. Firstly, that Sarah is not

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Speaker 2: As part of the complaints process, Sarah was obligated to

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Speaker 2: the ad Standards website. This is what she said, as

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware by now having a large presence

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Speaker 2: on social media, issues like this keep happening from people

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Speaker 2: who simply don't like me. I don't appreciate that girls

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Speaker 2: who evidently don't like me try to twist my words

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Speaker 2: and misconstrue my intentions. It's exhausting trying to make my

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Speaker 2: haters happy. Of Course, I'm more than happy to discuss

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Speaker 2: any issues with my inspiration video. However, if you listen

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Speaker 2: to the voiceover, I'm sure you can appreciate this post

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Speaker 2: was created to be inspiring, empowering, and motivating for women.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to help in any way i can with

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Speaker 2: this case, or to get my lawyers involved if necessary. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: with a large following, you cannot make everyone happy, and

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Speaker 2: this post was purely designed and created to inspire, empower

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Speaker 2: and motivate women. As you can hear during the video,

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Speaker 2: we have said listen to your body move because you

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Speaker 2: love your body, make it a lifestyle. This is exactly

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Speaker 2: the opposite of what this complaint is insinuating. Also, I

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Speaker 2: can confirm that my main demographic is not teenage girls,

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Speaker 2: it's actually thirty year old women. Now, what did you

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Speaker 2: guys think about this response?

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a really interesting response from Sarah. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty evident that she didn't get any legal help to

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Speaker 1: construct the email because it was riddle with typos, and

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Speaker 1: it kind of seemed like, you know at school, when

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Speaker 1: and this is my excuse. It's just people who are

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Speaker 1: being mean. She didn't take any responsibility for the video. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was very strange to put the criticism down to

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Speaker 1: just having haters and people don't like her, particularly because

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Speaker 2: Of the thing is? Though, there is a bigger picture

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Speaker 3: So fucking judge or you want Karen fucking stickier shit.

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Speaker 4: And I love Instagram because I can.

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Speaker 1: Be married at first sight has long been linked with scandal,

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Speaker 2: Well? On Sunday night, viewers were told to buckle in

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Speaker 1: What about this photo that's circulating Toto? Are you talking

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Speaker 4: What we're talking about is they're a photo of one

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Speaker 1: People bringing that aren't Oh yea, I've seen that baby.

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Speaker 5: Farmer, what's the photo? What's what's the photo?

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Speaker 1: Well, it was pretty clear in Wednesday Night's episode that

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: It was followed by a judgmental line of questioning from

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Speaker 1: I'm just really surprised that in twenty twenty two, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, okay. I remember in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: being a clear victim of revenge porn, A so called

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Speaker 2: expert in the field said at the time that it

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Speaker 2: was incredibly naive of celebrities like Lara to find themselves

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Speaker 2: in such compromising situations and that people in the public

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Speaker 2: eye should be very careful and aware of the fact

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Speaker 2: that photos taken of them in what could be an

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Speaker 2: embarrassing situation could pop up in the future.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, how rude of Lara Bingle to have been surprised

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Speaker 1: as she showered by a man that she was dating. Like,

447
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Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous that the onus was on Lara Bingle

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Speaker 1: not to find herself in any compromising positions. And I

449
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Speaker 1: do remember back in twenty fourteen disgusting slut shaming of

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence. So she was one of many victims of

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Speaker 1: a nude photo leak that targeted female celebrities. So photos

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Speaker 1: of her and other stars were shared online without their

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Speaker 1: consent after the perpetrator hacked into their iCloud accounts. Now,

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Speaker 1: I remember that this made me so scared to ever

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Speaker 1: upload any files to iCloud because I just thought, what

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Speaker 1: a complete invasion of privacy someone being up to see

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Speaker 1: like every photo that's on your phone. Now, Jennifer said

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Speaker 1: it was so unbelievably violating and that she feels like

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Speaker 1: she got gain banged by the fucking planet. Now, I

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Speaker 1: remember these photos circulating, and it's so bad because at

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Speaker 1: the time I think there was so much internalized misogyny

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Speaker 1: and misunderstanding about women's sexuality that I judged her. I

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Speaker 1: remember being like, oh, these photos are disgusting, And now

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Speaker 1: I look back and think how ashamed I am that

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Speaker 1: that was my response to the photos, and how absolutely

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Speaker 1: horrifying it is that she was somehow turned into the

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Speaker 1: villain in this piece.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the mood really was at the time that it's

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Speaker 2: the women's fault for putting themselves in this situation and

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Speaker 2: trusting their partners with these photos. The blame wasn't on

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Speaker 2: the person who maliciously leak the content or the media

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Speaker 2: who used these images to literally sell more papers and

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Speaker 2: make more money through clicks. And I just still can't

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Speaker 2: believe that, in twenty twenty two, on a primetime television show,

475
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Speaker 2: we are seeing a woman's sexuality be weaponized against her

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Speaker 2: for pure entertainment, with the motive to humiliate her not

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Speaker 2: only in a room full of her peers, but to

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Speaker 2: the rest of the nation who were captivated by this show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole incident made me feel really grubby and

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Speaker 1: really sick, to be honest. I mean, I felt like

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Speaker 1: as a society we'd reached a point where women were

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Speaker 1: embracing their sexuality and progressive steps were being taken in

483
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Speaker 1: the perception of sex work and Only Fans, And there

484
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Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman embracing her body

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Speaker 1: and choosing to take naked photos of herself. In this instance,

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Speaker 1: the image has come from OnlyFans, a platform that allows

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Speaker 1: creators to create content and willingly share images of themselves

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Speaker 1: on their own terms and charge for it. And she

489
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Speaker 1: was trying to earn money to live and survive, which

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Speaker 1: is a lot of these women's stories on the platform.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are many maths contestants that, once gaining

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Speaker 1: a following, go on OnlyFans like Jessica Powell and make

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Speaker 1: an absolute killing offer as well.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing, that's what's so ironic. There is

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Speaker 2: nothing really scandalous or controversial about Dom's photo, But what

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Speaker 2: is scandalous is the way it was passed around from

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Speaker 2: one cast member to the other in order to humiliate

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Speaker 2: and shame her and ultimately seek revenge on her. And

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Speaker 2: even the way that the producers use this scandal to

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Speaker 2: product contestants into forcing them to make some sort of

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Speaker 2: comment about the photos and turn this into a scandalous storyline.

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Speaker 2: Is clear from day one that this was their motive

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Speaker 2: because they wanted something new they didn't just want a

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Speaker 2: cheating scandal, they wanted to take it to the next level.

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Speaker 2: But they've really read the room completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I mean, all they've done is pitted two women

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Speaker 1: against each other and it's just so gross. I'm so

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Speaker 1: sick of the media trying to have women versus women.

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Speaker 1: It's quite clear that the producers went out of their

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Speaker 1: way to manufacture this storyline for ratings, and in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: the producers would have known before they signed Dom on

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Speaker 1: for the show that she had an OnlyFans account and

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Speaker 1: handed the information onto Olivia as a bit of an

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Speaker 1: ace up her sleeve. Not only is this completely unfair

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Speaker 1: to dom, but I feel like the producers have also

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Speaker 1: played a part in manipulating Olivia to do their dirty work,

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Speaker 1: because on a show like this, you actually want to

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Speaker 1: be a bit of a villain or you want storylines

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Speaker 1: surrounding you, because you know how lucrative a career is

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Speaker 1: on social media if people know you. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at Jessica Powell. She turned out to be a villain,

522
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Speaker 1: but she is making bank on OnlyFans on her influencer career.

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Speaker 1: It's the testants that sort of float in the background

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Speaker 1: that don't really make much out.

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Speaker 2: Of it in the end, and that's a thing we

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Speaker 2: really have to question the reality of how Olivia is

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Speaker 2: being presented to us. There is just so much rhetoric

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Speaker 2: around who's the good girl, who's the bad girl, and

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Speaker 2: the women are just being turned into characters and given

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Speaker 2: roles to play because initially Olivia was the good girl

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Speaker 2: who's then turned into this mean girl's character. And it

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Speaker 2: is really hard to tell what is Olivia and what

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Speaker 2: is production because we all know by now that every

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Speaker 2: reality show needs a villain. We also know on reality

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Speaker 2: TV shows that people's traits and behaviors are always exaggerated

536
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Speaker 2: by the editing and the music, and sometimes storylines can

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Speaker 2: be completely fabricated. And this is a show where we

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Speaker 2: have so called experts who are doing psychological testing with

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Speaker 2: these contestants, so they literally know what buttons to push

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Speaker 2: and what traits contestants have and the sort of behaviors

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Speaker 2: that they can encourage and manipulate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can only see by the way

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Speaker 1: Olivia was portrayed at the start how how easy it

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Speaker 1: is to manipulate viewers impressions of people. And I mean

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Speaker 1: many people have questioned whether Olivia. Sharing the naked image

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Speaker 1: amongst the other contestants counts as revenge porn, which it's

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Speaker 1: important to note it is a criminal act. In Australia.

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Speaker 1: Sextortion laws announced in November twenty twenty one mean ex

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Speaker 1: partners and strangers posting or threatening to post revenge porn

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Speaker 1: images of people without their consent could face fines of

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven thousand dollars or jail time. Now

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Speaker 1: these tough fines are included in Australia's Online Safety Act,

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Speaker 1: which aims to better protect victims of image based abuse.

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Speaker 2: I think it will be really interesting to see if

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Speaker 2: DOM does seek legal action over this, and whether Channel

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Speaker 2: nine is implicated in this. Now, taking a slightly different

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Speaker 2: look at this, Kate, do you think that this would

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Speaker 2: have been posed as such as scandal if it had

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Speaker 2: been one of the grooms who was on only fans

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Speaker 2: or who had a nude photo circulating.

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Speaker 1: Oh, definitely not. It would have been a little funny

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Speaker 1: storyline where they all had a bit of a laugh

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Speaker 1: and the photo got passed around and they took the

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Speaker 1: piss out of the guy and he was seen as

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Speaker 1: a bit of a playboy. Women are treated so differently

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Speaker 1: in general, but also on reality TV. As we said before,

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Speaker 1: pitting women against women is a proven storyline that people

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Speaker 1: just want to keep coming back and watching.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, causeise what to do?

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Speaker 3: Oh say less?

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Speaker 2: Actually I haven't had it in or what.

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Speaker 1: Eagle eyed followers have spotted signs that Hannah Orville and

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Speaker 1: North Melbourne footballer Cameron A. Zaha maybe back together following

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Speaker 1: their messy split. Sophie, can you tell us more so.

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Speaker 2: If you cast your minds back to February twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: Hannah revealed that she and Cameron had called a quits

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Speaker 2: after dating for over a year now. Hannah took to

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Speaker 2: her Instagram story to reveal she had received a number

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Speaker 2: of dms about Cameron being spotted out and about with girls.

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Speaker 2: She wrote, for all the girl's messaging me overnight with photos, etc.

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Speaker 2: Myself and Cam split up a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for all of your support and letting me know

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Speaker 2: just in case, etc. It's nice to see that he's

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Speaker 2: moved on so nice and quick. Now A super sleuth

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Speaker 2: has sent us in some screenshots which show the pair

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Speaker 2: may have rekindled their romance over a year after they split.

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Speaker 2: So on Wednesday, Hannah shared a photo to her Instagram

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Speaker 2: story of some delicious looking Japanese food at a restaurant

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Speaker 2: called Bounty of the Sun in Melbourne. Now she captured

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Speaker 2: the insta story too Good. At the exact same time,

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Speaker 2: Cameron also shared an Instagram story to his cooking page

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Speaker 2: which is called bulls cooking with the same food but

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Speaker 2: from a slightly different angle. Okay, do you think that

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Speaker 2: this is a bit of a soft launch and they've

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Speaker 2: purposely done this?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely think that there's some strategy behind this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it gets people interested in their account. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it would drive up engagement for them, and they

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Speaker 1: know that. I mean, mostly influencer couples have a lot

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Speaker 1: of crossover of followers because normally, if your favorite influencer

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Speaker 1: gets a partner, you go follow the partner and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: They've both got big public profiles. So I do think

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Speaker 1: it's a bit of a soft launch to kind of

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Speaker 1: test the waters see what the response is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing I reckon. Considering it was a

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Speaker 2: bit of a messy split, they probably want to kind

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Speaker 2: of ease their followers into it so people suddenly you know, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with the idea maybe he's changed. It's been

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 1: Well, we saw a similar incident play out with Madison

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Speaker 1: Wooley and Jonathan Sowers. So they made a public announcement

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Speaker 1: that they had broken up, and then they did the

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Speaker 1: awkward thing where it was quite clear that they were

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Speaker 1: back together and they started sort of appearing in each

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Speaker 1: other's Instagram profiles, but then they split again. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is testing the waters. We're not really

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Speaker 1: sure if we're back together or not, so we'll put

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Speaker 1: it out there a little bit. But I just see

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Speaker 1: this trend and I think it's in normal life as

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Speaker 1: well as the influencer well that with these young couples,

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Speaker 1: they usually have a period where they do get back

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Speaker 1: together and it doesn't work out. So I don't really

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Speaker 1: have big hopes for this relationship.

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Speaker 2: Now talking about Madison Woolly and Jonathan's relationship, as our

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Speaker 2: listeners will know, they did officially break up a little

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Speaker 2: while ago, and Madison has confirmed on her podcast that

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Speaker 2: she is on celebrity dating app Raya. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: actually the same app where Brittany Hockley met her ex

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Speaker 2: boyfriend Jordan Thompson, who is an Australian tennis player. Now,

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons that Madison maybe on RAYA is

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Speaker 2: well one probably because there's a better standard of people

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Speaker 2: on there, but also two because apparently she has been

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Speaker 2: banned from Hinge because the people at Hinge thought that

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Speaker 2: she was impersonating herself that old chestnut.

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Speaker 1: I got banned from Hinge because I'm too famous.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: She did say that she's not looking for a serious

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Speaker 2: relationship and she's more on the apps for fun and

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Speaker 2: she can't wait to use it when she's on holiday overseas.

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Speaker 2: She also revealed that she has been hit up for

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Speaker 2: dates by war sounds like another male influencer now if

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00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: you will cast your minds back. There were rumors floating

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Speaker 2: around that she and Mitch Third had been talking, which

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Speaker 2: is interesting because she has been on a lot of

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Speaker 2: brand trips with Tarlia Scaines, who is, of course Mitch

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Speaker 2: Third's X. So I feel like we'll have to sit

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Speaker 2: and watch this space because they could be a really

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Speaker 2: interesting pairing.

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Speaker 1: M I wonder how that would go. Well. I think

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Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us for another episode of Outspoken, and

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