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Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with Jones.

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Speaker 2: You're a Sex Pistols fan, aren't you?

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Speaker 3: Massive? Sex?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see them perform?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I did in nineteen ninety seven when they came

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Speaker 4: back for their tour.

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Speaker 1: They nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety s, twenty years after they first started. They

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Speaker 4: were gone before I was even aware of them. I

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Speaker 4: discovered the sex Pistols in nineteen to eighty five when

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Speaker 4: I went to art school.

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Speaker 1: By then Sid was dead, was long dead.

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Speaker 3: He died in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: The band had started in seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: I were pretty much gone.

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Speaker 4: The era of sex Pistols went from pretty much nineteen

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Speaker 4: seventy seven to nineteen seventy They were fruit flies.

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Speaker 3: They were fruit flies.

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Speaker 2: And then why the resurgence because they couldn't play instruments

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Speaker 2: at the beginning, could they They were kind of had

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Speaker 2: attitude but no music.

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Speaker 4: Happy They sacked their most musical able, musically able person

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Speaker 4: Glenn Matlock for Sid Vicious or John Ritchie who was

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Speaker 4: a drummer in Sussi and the Banshees, and he came

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Speaker 4: along and couldn't even play the bass guitar.

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Speaker 3: But Malcolm McLaren, who put the sex.

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Speaker 1: Pers to Yeah, he was a showman. He was Barnum and.

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Speaker 3: Wale and it was pretty much all about what who

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Speaker 3: can we upset?

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Speaker 4: And they just got these sort of disenfranchised youths and

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Speaker 4: put them together so like.

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Speaker 3: A Spice Girls really of the Seven.

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Speaker 2: Spy Girls with a spicier girls.

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Speaker 4: A Spice with attitude, but really musically Spice. And Steve Jones,

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Speaker 4: the guitarist and sex Pistols, is quite an accomplished guitarist

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Speaker 4: and he does a radio show.

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Speaker 1: Now he's got a podcast A yeah. Well.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy seven, the band released Anarchy in the

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Speaker 2: UK alongside the Queen's Silver Jubilee.

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Speaker 1: This is when she'd been on the throne for.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five years and this song that this was such

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Speaker 2: a an abrasive song about the queen.

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Speaker 1: People were outraged.

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Speaker 2: You remember this song obvious They go on to say.

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Speaker 1: God say between I'm with them.

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Speaker 3: That's so good.

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Speaker 2: They didn't release it to coincide with the Queen's Silver Jubilee.

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Speaker 1: They just had this song about, you know, not liking

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Speaker 1: the Queen in England. It's very fascistic.

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Speaker 4: It was also at a time they had a garbage strike,

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Speaker 4: in England and they had gone on forever.

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Speaker 1: They have the Minus strike, there were strikes.

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Speaker 4: There was just everything was going to hell in England

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Speaker 4: and Margaret Thatcher was running the place and it was

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Speaker 4: just there was a lot of disenfranchised used that's right.

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Speaker 2: And this came out of didn't it the pretty boys?

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Speaker 2: Or did the pretty boys.

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Speaker 1: Come after this?

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Speaker 3: Then the new Romantics came.

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Speaker 2: Spand our ballets and the nice hair and the puffy sue. Yes.

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Speaker 4: So that was in the eighties, So sex pistols and

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Speaker 4: also the sex pistols at the time, things like progressive Rocks.

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Speaker 4: It was all Queen and it was all led Zeppelin. Yes,

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Speaker 4: all these massive bands with overly produced albums and the

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Speaker 4: sex pistols for raw, punch in the face music.

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Speaker 1: And it was punching the face.

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Speaker 2: Despite being banned from the BBC radio and TV, that

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Speaker 2: song went to number two. It was held off the

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Speaker 2: top by Rod Stewart. The rumors apparently have persisted ever

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Speaker 2: since that the charts were manipulated to keep that song

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Speaker 2: away from number one.

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Speaker 4: You don't mention that to Rod because he gets very upset. Well,

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Speaker 4: he says that that's not the case.

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Speaker 2: Well, even in the way it was listed in the charts,

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Speaker 2: it was blanked out so as not to offend the Queen. Well,

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Speaker 2: the song is being re released for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee.

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Speaker 2: That was when the Silver Jubilee was released with twenty

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Speaker 2: five years on the Throne, seventy years on the Throne.

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Speaker 2: The song is being re released. Copies have been not

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Speaker 2: many of them because they're still they're not mass releasing it,

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Speaker 2: but a whole lot of people are going to be

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Speaker 2: desperate to buy this again. Do you know what I

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Speaker 2: find interesting is are so many members of the band

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Speaker 2: are still alive.

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Speaker 3: Well, the whole band is alive.

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Speaker 1: From Sid Vicious, yes, he died at.

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Speaker 3: The tender age of twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Now there's in their mid sixties. And I do wonder

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Speaker 2: after they're still slightly distancing themselves from saying, look, this

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Speaker 2: is what Johnny Rotten has said, or John Lyden, God

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Speaker 2: Save the Queen. It was kind of camp in a way.

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Speaker 2: It's not a declaration of civil war. They've kind of

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Speaker 2: distanced themselves from it a little. I reckon they probably

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Speaker 2: love the Queen.

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Speaker 4: Probably well over the time when they recorded that song

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Speaker 4: and released it, they would get bashed in the Street.

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Speaker 1: With razor blades and iron bars. So there's a new.

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Speaker 2: Also, a docco made by Danny Boyle called Pistol Don't

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Speaker 2: Go about the sex Pist.

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Speaker 4: John Lyden's not happy with that because he's at odds

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Speaker 4: with the rest of the guys and he lost the

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Speaker 4: court case because.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want them to use the music.

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Speaker 3: John Lydon, we've interviewed him. He is a bit of

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Speaker 3: a ball bag and that's what you get.

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Speaker 1: And how much music do they have?

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Speaker 3: See John just enjoy the right.

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Speaker 1: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: Who would have thought when that was released in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy seven it would be really for the Queen's platinum

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Speaker 2: Juice of.

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Speaker 3: The Queens sitting there, I quite what I like it.

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Speaker 1: I referred to that Rod Stewart.

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Speaker 3: And we love our Queen.

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Speaker 1: We mean it. Man