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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris,

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<v Speaker 1>and on this podcast I'll be going behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>with the biggest players in television today. On the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I have Maz Farreley, whose credits include Executive Editor of

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<v Speaker 1>Format Entertainment for BBC, Creative Strategists for BBC Worldwide Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Director of Format Entertainment for Freemantle Media Australia. What

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<v Speaker 1>Maz does best is putting people on screen that makes

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<v Speaker 1>you want to watch. Chances are you've watched some of

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<v Speaker 1>her work, or probably all of it, as she has

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<v Speaker 1>made shows like X Factor Q and A Big Brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Farmer Wants a Wife, Dancing with the Stars. Actually, if

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<v Speaker 1>I was to list them all, we'd probably be here

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<v Speaker 1>all day. So let's get started with some exclusive content

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<v Speaker 1>as we find out how these shows get made.

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<v Speaker 2>The most important thing in car Stang I go Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>This is It's just to be you. This is Dancing

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<v Speaker 2>with the Stars. You think about all the people that

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<v Speaker 2>you love on TV. James, You're fired, They're different, this

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<v Speaker 2>is Big Brother. If you are different, it is the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest gift in your life, so celebrate it.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you Matt's Are you good, darling?

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<v Speaker 2>I am absolutely rock star, sensational, and thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for having me on your podcast. The enormous number

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<v Speaker 2>of people that you could choose, I'm delighted you've chosen me.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I have admired you so much, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know so many people in the industry have revered your career.

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<v Speaker 1>But today what I want to do is give the

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<v Speaker 1>people what they want, and that is how the hell

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<v Speaker 1>do you get cast in television?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be super interesting and everybody is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>This is absolutely true. Everybody has an amazing story. But

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes people speak in cliches. I call it white noise.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say to people, I'm big brother, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know the softba Parks have said it about seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand times. Tell me about you. Tell me why

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<v Speaker 2>you should be on the show. You have one minute

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<v Speaker 2>to tell us why you are better than everyone else outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't tell me you're the life and stud of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a real poper. You really want to win that

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<v Speaker 2>She's going to give it one hundred and ten percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm nervous, but excited. Don't tell me that, because when

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<v Speaker 2>you do you sound like everybody else? Tell me why

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<v Speaker 2>you are different? And most people say, well, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>real people person. No stop, Remember I said, don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>me that, because that makes you sound like everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>So the people that really stood out for me there

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<v Speaker 2>was a girl, Constance Hall, and I love Constance and

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<v Speaker 2>she said, do you know what, I'm not a people person.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't like people. I find them incredibly disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they say they're going to do something and

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<v Speaker 2>then they don't, and I just find people really disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a people person. Loved her. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy called farmer Dave. He came in. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're beautiful, and you've been to like one hundred countries

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he'd sent him pictures of him on

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<v Speaker 2>a horse like mate, and he was just you know, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, how is it possible you're single? And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, it's hard to find a farmer's wife when

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for a man. Brilliant. And the other one

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<v Speaker 2>was a girl, Geneva was her name. We put her

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<v Speaker 2>on the show as well. She was brilliant. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tell me where you're different. What's different? About you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not life and soul blah blah blah. And she said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's different about me? She said, basically, I'm a lesbian,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't seem to give up cock. Sorry, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you say? And she said pretty much bad lesbian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a bad lesbian and we went, oh my

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<v Speaker 2>holy lord wow. And you think you have one minute

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<v Speaker 2>to impress everyone in the world. Producers, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going for venture capital, if you're going for an interview,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're you know, going on a date, The first

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<v Speaker 2>minute you meet someone is so vital and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to know who you are, what you do, and why

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<v Speaker 2>you do it, say in an interesting way, otherwise you're

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<v Speaker 2>dead on the water. You want to do this show

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<v Speaker 2>so badly, you have to have your first minute prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't walk in there and say, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>really I just want Australia to love me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a people person, I'm the life and soul of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>White noise cliches, can't hear it. White noise, just it's dead,

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<v Speaker 2>dead sound. So know your story.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing in your book about that one minute

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<v Speaker 1>is so vital. And I always say to people when

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<v Speaker 1>you get in there. Just tell them the things that

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<v Speaker 1>have happened to you in your life that makes you

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<v Speaker 1>different to other people. And when I auditioned for the show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the time, my partner and I were

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<v Speaker 1>both doing the exact same job, but we hadn't told

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<v Speaker 1>my employer, so my partner at home with the same name, Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>was doing the job from home. However, I was the

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<v Speaker 1>person out on the road, so I told them I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really really crap with attention to detail, but my partner's

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<v Speaker 1>really good at it. But i love talking to people

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<v Speaker 1>and hearing stories. So I'd go and meet people and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'd get all the stories, ring my partner on

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<v Speaker 1>the way home, ring him on the phone, and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, she said this and this. I never

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<v Speaker 1>would see them again. He would have all of the

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<v Speaker 1>information and he would follow them up, run the campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to them on the phone. They never knew anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So I say to people, even if it is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit sinister, even if it could be perceived as being,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not that likable, if it's your truth and

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<v Speaker 1>that story is available to you, you should tell that story.

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<v Speaker 2>The most important thing in casting and frankly in life

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<v Speaker 2>and I can say this because I'm seven hundred years

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<v Speaker 2>old now. Is just to be you. You are the

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<v Speaker 2>best version of you. There is no one better at

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<v Speaker 2>being you than you. And the things that make you

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<v Speaker 2>different are the things that are utterly beautiful about you

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<v Speaker 2>and what you don't want to be. And anyone who's

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<v Speaker 2>young who's listening to this, you do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>be vanilla gray, because when you are, I can throw

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<v Speaker 2>a dart into a crowd and hit anyone and you're

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<v Speaker 2>all the same. If you're different, that it's the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>gift you can have. You think about all the people

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<v Speaker 2>that you love on TV and in music, they're different,

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<v Speaker 2>they're different. If you are different, it is the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>gift in life. So celebrate it. Whatever is different about you,

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<v Speaker 2>make it your thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Before I worked in TV, I as a stylist and

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<v Speaker 2>I loved people who looked different. I remember Kate Moss

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<v Speaker 2>coming to see me and she was small, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's probably about five five five six, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>other models were six foot. She was different and she

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<v Speaker 2>had a really different look. Her eyes were strange and

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<v Speaker 2>her face was a bit strange, and it worked so beautifully.

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<v Speaker 2>I booked her for a beauty gig, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there were loads of people who looked like Cinda Crawford

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, she's extraordinarily beautiful. But Kate Moss was different.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I tell you Kate Moss is you

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<v Speaker 2>know who she is?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, what an icon. It allowed people to relate

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<v Speaker 1>to her. It made people feel like I could be

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<v Speaker 1>a model. You know, I'm not classically this, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>classically that, but I could aspire to that. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the that's where I think we've lost a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the magic with television these days, is it should be aspirational.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a guy called Dave Trot who's an advertising genius,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says this, in a room of one hundred people,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look like everyone else, how much of my

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<v Speaker 2>attention do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>None?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you look different to everybody else, you jump

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty percent because there's you and then there's everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>So suddenly, just the fact that you're different. If I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the only woman in the room, I have fifty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the attention, which is brilliant. If I'm the only foreigner,

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<v Speaker 2>that's wonderful. Any person from you know, so anything that's

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<v Speaker 2>different about you is your greatest gift. And whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>physical or you know, it's part of your nature, your

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your personality, absolutely grab it, develop it. And

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<v Speaker 2>Melby is Melby is honest. That is her thing. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes her really different. She's really confident, she's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not the most beautiful, she's not the smartests, not

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<v Speaker 2>the cleverest. But what she is is she has a

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<v Speaker 2>disarming honesty. She is, you know, absolutely insanely honest, and

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<v Speaker 2>we love her for it. That's her thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Zach No, I don't think you've got a bad voice

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you'd really overstang that and it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually really annoying your interpretation of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>That you can say, oh, be quiet, gay, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you just mentioned Melby because I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's great. But it's just one of the many reality

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<v Speaker 1>shows that you've worked on. I know this is a

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<v Speaker 1>bold question to ask because most people shy away from it,

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<v Speaker 1>but Mas, I know you well enough to know you'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you the answer. What is the best and the

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<v Speaker 1>worst reality TV gigs you've worked on? Not that they

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<v Speaker 1>failed or they succeeded, but in your mind the best

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<v Speaker 1>and the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a few bests. I like shows where

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<v Speaker 2>people really succeed. So the X Factor was great because

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<v Speaker 2>you see people going off and having great careers, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is a beautiful thing to see because you really

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<v Speaker 2>want them to succeed. I like Farmer Wants a Wife

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<v Speaker 2>because they go off and they fall in love and

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<v Speaker 2>they get married and they have kids. I love Big

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<v Speaker 2>Brother because I am a very nosy, curious, inquisitive. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I say to people, I'm like a street fighting psychologist.

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<v Speaker 2>I have spent my life watching people, and it's because

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I'm fascinated by how people behave and

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<v Speaker 2>why they behave in a certain way. I'm so wildly interested.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst show I think would be a dancing show

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<v Speaker 2>that we made when I was at Fremantle and it

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<v Speaker 2>was called Everybody Dancing Now, and we called it Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>Watched Now because nobody watched it, and nobody watched it

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<v Speaker 2>because it wasn't very good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's audition time. Our dance master is no talent.

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<v Speaker 2>When they see.

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<v Speaker 3>It, Kelly Rowland and Jason de Wola decide who will

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<v Speaker 3>make it through to the Big Arena.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody Dares Now starts Sunday, August twelfth.

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<v Speaker 4>On ten.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, pretty much every show I've made has either

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<v Speaker 2>been number one, won award, or been recommissioned, except that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it lasted four nights, which was probably three

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<v Speaker 2>nights too long.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, were you aware that this show wasn't going to work?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think so, I think in my heart. And

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to my boss about it, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think you're being negative, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I am. And you know, I said to you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit of a street fighter, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of am. I'm very intuitive, and you know I've

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<v Speaker 2>done this a lot. You know, I'm not an expert

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<v Speaker 2>in budgeting or housekeeping. I'm a shocking girlfriend, but I

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<v Speaker 2>am extraordinarily good at making content. It is my superpower.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I just didn't think it would work. And

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<v Speaker 2>we did the best with it. You know, we did

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<v Speaker 2>our best, but it wasn't good enough, which is really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to work on the show that you

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<v Speaker 2>think isn't. You can do everything you can to make

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<v Speaker 2>it work, but it just simply didn't work. The format

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work. It just didn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit of a MythBuster that we can have for

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<v Speaker 1>the audience that's listening now. You know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people have auditioned for reality shows before, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a misconception that you walk into a room,

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<v Speaker 1>meet a producer and they shake your hand and put

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<v Speaker 1>you into the you know, onto the stage or into

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<v Speaker 1>the house or and there's there's a very long process

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, you know, finding the right cast that matches together.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the average time from when a person walks in

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<v Speaker 1>and meets you then to them being on television.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably about because probably about three months, four months. It's

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<v Speaker 2>quite a long time a because there are lots of

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<v Speaker 2>things that you have to do. You send them off

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<v Speaker 2>to be psych tested, you do police checks, do health checks.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't have twelve people who are identical. So you

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<v Speaker 2>find someone. So this is how I do it. You

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<v Speaker 2>find someone that you think is the glue and the

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<v Speaker 2>other person everyone's going to like, and then you build

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<v Speaker 2>a cast around them. So you'd be the glue. On

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<v Speaker 2>the Celebrity Apprentice, it was Julia Morris. You know, people

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<v Speaker 2>like FITZI and the glue. You know, it's impossible not

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<v Speaker 2>to like fitsy, it's just a really good bloke and

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<v Speaker 2>you meet him, you go, you know, you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>really fair crack at winning this. And then you build

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<v Speaker 2>and you build a cast around them, and you know yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're having pals over, you don't invite. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>six friends were exactly the same. Yeah, you have six

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<v Speaker 2>friends were exactly the same. You know. We like variety,

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<v Speaker 2>so you cast it sort of like a drama. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you were writing it as a drama, you would

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<v Speaker 2>cast those people. But it is a really long process,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to be sure that you're emotionally robust

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<v Speaker 2>enough to do it. So I give people what I

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<v Speaker 2>call my talk of doom. And interestingly, someone well, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't interesting at all. I think it's interesting. Someone

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<v Speaker 2>sent me my friend Lucien sent me a link to

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<v Speaker 2>Luis Throux's podcast and it was with a guy called

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<v Speaker 2>god what's his name, Raylan rylan Lan Yes, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's talking about you. And I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>it and I went, oh, yeah, he's talking about me.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, So I went into the audition and

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<v Speaker 2>there was this woman there and she talked to me.

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<v Speaker 2>He said something like she talked to me like shit,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, I don't think that was but then

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<v Speaker 2>when he said what I'd said, absolutely it was me.

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<v Speaker 4>And there was this woman and she spoke to me

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<v Speaker 4>like shit, but on purpose, because she told me that

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<v Speaker 4>you will probably be hated. You will probably get voted

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<v Speaker 4>out first, you won't earn any money, and when you

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<v Speaker 4>come out, you will not be famous. But you won't

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<v Speaker 4>be able to go and work in a shop because

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<v Speaker 4>people will keep coming up to you, going and you

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<v Speaker 4>that idiot from Big Brother? Are you that this? Are

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<v Speaker 4>you that that? And it will take you a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>And back then it was really scary. I now understand

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<v Speaker 4>why that's done because at that stage people do go, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not doing it. Then I'm not doing it. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said. This woman said to me, look, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you think everyone's going to love you, They probably won't.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll be too famous to go back to your job,

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<v Speaker 2>but not famous enough to be famous. So when you

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<v Speaker 2>go back to try and work in the shoe shop

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<v Speaker 2>and people are walking and pointing at you not buying shoes,

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<v Speaker 2>the owner will get rid of you. So you probably

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<v Speaker 2>won't have a job everyone that you've ever dated will

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<v Speaker 2>sell this story. You think that you'll be the person

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<v Speaker 2>off the telling that everyone loves you, probably won't. How

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<v Speaker 2>many times have you been in the bar and you go,

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<v Speaker 2>there's that idiot off the telly. You don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>idiot will be you. It will be I promise you.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, you'll think that we've shown you

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that is detrimental to you. You think

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<v Speaker 2>that we've shown you in a way that isn't true,

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<v Speaker 2>and that you know, why would I do that. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care who wins, because it's not me. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>winning the money. I don't care who wins. If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't kiss someone, I can't show it. If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>fight someone, I can't show it. If you do it,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll show it because it's reality and it's honest. And

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<v Speaker 2>he repeated all of this, and I'm like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>that is me. And then he said something. It was lovely,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, and I see why she did it, because

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted me to know what fame is like and

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<v Speaker 2>what it's going to be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, he didn't get cast on that civilian series

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<v Speaker 1>of Big Brother. He then went on to do X

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<v Speaker 1>Factor and then from X Factor got selected to be

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<v Speaker 1>on Celebrity Big Brother and he won Celebrity Big Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>But he said something in the podcast which is the

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<v Speaker 1>true magic of this story, and that is that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't ready. He needed that chat you as a producer.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where people need to be kinder about

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<v Speaker 1>reality television at the moment. I know there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of negativity in that space, but I can I guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>you from my experience and knowing you and knowing the

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<v Speaker 1>women that are working in these roles like Amelia Fisk

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<v Speaker 1>and Keeley, who genuinely care about the casting process and

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<v Speaker 1>about who they're going to put on the show. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to ruin you. They're going to help you

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<v Speaker 1>to be exactly who you are and have a good experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Do people see themselves on the screen and they say

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<v Speaker 1>that it's bad editing, But a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>a really strong disconnect as to who they.

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<v Speaker 2>Really are, totally, Benjamin. No one sees themselves twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours a day, and reality TV is an enormous mirror

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<v Speaker 2>that is placed right in front of you. And when

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<v Speaker 2>we did The Celebrity Apprentice, the Fabulous Danny Hines called

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<v Speaker 2>me and she said, look, I think you know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not being portrayed in a really great way. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that I look like I'm fighting everyone what you were

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<v Speaker 2>fighting everyone. I said that cal Julia Morris and cool

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<v Speaker 2>Max Markson ask them if it's honest, and that you

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<v Speaker 2>were like that, and I said, back in an hour

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<v Speaker 2>if you completely disagree, we'll talk about it. And she

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<v Speaker 2>caught me back in an hour and she said, they

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<v Speaker 2>said that was much worse. I think your word, Earling, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I love Denny. Denny's another one. What you see

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<v Speaker 2>is what you get. She was just honest. If she

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<v Speaker 2>was cross, she was cross, and she didn't pretend she wasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>which is quite confronting for people. So yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have a real duty of care. And

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<v Speaker 2>my old boss on my first ever Big Brother, a

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<v Speaker 2>guy called Philka Jones, the loveliest, sweetest human in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and he gathered all of us together. He said, the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing on this show is this, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>all waiting for you know, the highest ratings or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>police don't sleep with each other, and he said, the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing is these people feel safe and looked

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<v Speaker 2>after and then we make a TV show. But number one,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to trust us, and that's why there's such

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<v Speaker 2>a big process. And you do send people off to

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<v Speaker 2>be psych tested to make sure they're strong enough to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and you make sure that you do please checks.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know when you have a criminal record

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<v Speaker 2>or not, but I do need to know because if

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<v Speaker 2>you've bashed in, you know, an old lady, or you've

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<v Speaker 2>been selling drugs to kiddies, I don't want you to win.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not great, you know, or bashing your partner. So

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<v Speaker 2>we do, you know, as much as we can, and

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<v Speaker 2>we also have a duty of care to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the people who are on are robust enough to

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<v Speaker 2>do it and you know that they can cope with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we need to do more in the

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<v Speaker 1>space of looking after these contestants coming out of these shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think so. I mean I made it seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand years ago when social media wasn't really the

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<v Speaker 2>thing it is now. But I think what would be

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<v Speaker 2>great is if there was an independent company that looked

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<v Speaker 2>after all reality stars, reality people for all networks and

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<v Speaker 2>you could call them, you know, any time, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was psyche you know, where the sych was available to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Reality television is really interesting no matter who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might think you'll be the Chrissy Swan or

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<v Speaker 1>the FITZI. Everyone goes back to exactly who they were

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<v Speaker 1>when they auditioned for the show. I truly believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was always wanting to do red carpet

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<v Speaker 1>and interview people, and I was always on the precipice

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<v Speaker 1>of that, but had never really achieved great success. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still there. I went back to that same spot. Reality

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<v Speaker 1>TV is not going to save you. It's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an experience, like a summer holiday that you

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<v Speaker 1>can go, Wow, that was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I try to arm people before they go in. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my greatest advice to everyone is switch off

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<v Speaker 2>your social media. You know, if it starts to get negative,

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<v Speaker 2>just switch it off and don't look at it. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's really hard to do that, but it's the

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<v Speaker 2>opinion of people who don't know you, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people would write terrible things about my shows, and I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, you couldn't make it. It's really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, So I'm not going to listen to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just your opinion is not valid to me unless it's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a really a smart, critical opinion. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people would write terrible things and you kind of go,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't care. I mean, I did this show

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<v Speaker 2>Reality Check and it was on the ABC, and my

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<v Speaker 2>friends would send me tweets of things that people have

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<v Speaker 2>said about me, and I used to find it really

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<v Speaker 2>funny because you think you've got to have a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of humor about it. And someone had said, this woman

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<v Speaker 2>looks like Nancy sponge AND's mum, and Nancy Spungeen was

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<v Speaker 2>punk who dated Sid Vicious, and that week, to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>I did. And another week I was wearing a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of jewelry and someone tweeted, this woman looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>kid made a jewelry. I mean, you know, God forbid,

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<v Speaker 2>I should have children. But it did look like it

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<v Speaker 2>had been made by a seven year old. And you're

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough. And I rape to both of them and said, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>you're absolutely right. My rules for anyone who's criticizing me

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<v Speaker 2>on social media you have to use correct grammar, and

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be funny. And if you troll me

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<v Speaker 2>and you're funny and the grammar is correct, then I

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<v Speaker 2>will engage, but I think just switch it off, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>don't listen. It's the opinion of people who don't know you,

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<v Speaker 2>who are a bit angry about their own lives, and

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<v Speaker 2>just don't eGain.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who's a gorgeous woman is Lisa McSweeney. And

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<v Speaker 1>she was like a housemate minded that looked after all

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<v Speaker 1>the housemates, and she said to me, Ben, there's all

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<v Speaker 1>these people that are saying all this nasty stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>just remember they're actually talking about themselves. You know. What

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying about you usually is an opinion they have

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<v Speaker 1>of themselves. So when I got that piece of information

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<v Speaker 1>and then was really heavily trolled after the show, anytime

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<v Speaker 1>someone said something really disturbing, I didn't take it personally.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I immediately clicked with that information and thought,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how they must feel about themselves, that they're ugly,

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<v Speaker 1>or they don't like their voice, or you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is. These things they just emulated that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're happy, you're not going to troll people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a happy little soul. I don't feel any need

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<v Speaker 2>to go online and be awful about people. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>see the point. And also it's just not very kind,

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<v Speaker 2>be kind. I want to do a workshop that's one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred days of kindness that you just you ban. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people do drive your line January and you think, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do January where you're just really kind and you don't lie,

0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.480
<v Speaker 2>and you don't beep anyone, and you know, you pay

0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.480
<v Speaker 2>for coffee for the person behind you, and you tell

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>three people that day how beautiful they look, and you

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<v Speaker 2>help someone who looks like they might need it instead

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, buying a bottle of wine, buy a

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<v Speaker 2>cheaper one, give that money to someone, Surprise people with

0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 2>some act of kindness. And I think we do lots

0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.159
<v Speaker 2>of negative stuff. I'm going to give up. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop dot dot dot. And you think, no, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you do the opposite and start doing something amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine imagine what it be like. It'd be amazing, So

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the interesting things I was wanting to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about is the lack of diversity that's on

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>reality television at the moment. You know, we've come a

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 1>long way, but we're only starting to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth behind you know, seeing a lack of diversity

0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.440
<v Speaker 1>on screen is because a lot of people of color

0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>don't apply because they think, oh, that's not for me,

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, middle class white people go on those shows.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the more and more that we can

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>create that space so that diversity can be seen, maybe

0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 1>then we will see, you know, like a person of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bachelorette or the Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's difficult. I can't be it if I

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 2>can't see it. And all the shows that I've made,

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I've made an extraordinary effort to be as diverse as possible,

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes on shows it's really really, really really hard.

0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>And I did a show in the UK and I

0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to have a black family because everyone who

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 2>applied was white and middle class. And I said to

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 2>my team's you know advertising, the West Indian Times and

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the African Times and go to you know, this club

0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and that club and this sports place and this place,

0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and go to this town and this you know church

0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and this everything. And I think we managed to get

0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.959
<v Speaker 2>one family. But it took us, you know, probably a

0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:45.040
<v Speaker 2>week of work. Whereas you put an ad up, you know,

0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 2>for four seconds and you say families needed and you

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 2>get you know, So it's about actually making a little

0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.439
<v Speaker 2>bit more of an effort and you have to. And

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel very not proud, but I feel very pleased

0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:01.679
<v Speaker 2>that in the UK on Big Brother we had a

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 2>very diverse cast and I really really like that. So

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 2>we had I think we had the first transgender person.

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Now I think we had two transgender pers one in

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>the UK and one here and a guy who won

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 2>one year had tourets And you think, imagine applying for

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Big Brother and you have tourettes. I mean, it's just phenomenal,

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:23.919
<v Speaker 2>isn't that.

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting? Reality TV has really changed. What

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is the biggest significant change about making it from when

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 1>it started, you know, because you were there for the

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 1>really the inception of it, to how it's being made now.

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 2>So there are two things. One, I think that we've

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>become a little bit lazy as an industry. And I

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>think that is because the same producers go from one

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 2>show to the next, and it's like the same chefs

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>going from one restaurant to the next. All the restaurants

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.199
<v Speaker 2>suddenly taste the same. And I would say to my

0:23:55.320 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 2>teams were not allowed to use cliches. So there's a

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>lovely woman, Caroline Spencer Spence, she calls them no shit

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.359
<v Speaker 2>sharelocks that you go no shit sharelock. So it's a

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 2>bit like you're interviewing Yoursain Bolt in the Olympics on

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the start line. Then you'd say, do you think you're

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna win this? You know, do you want to do

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 2>you want to win this? They kind of go, well,

0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>of course I want to win it. I'm I'm in

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.159
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics. Of course I want to I mean, of course.

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 2>But in reality people would say things like, I really

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>want to win this, but of course it's a competition.

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>You're idiot, of course, you know, but it's bad producing.

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Or they'll say, how are you today, I'm nervous but excited.

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 2>That's everybody in every reality show in the history of

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 2>reality shows says exactly the same thing. I'm nervous but excited.

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Everyone says it. Now. I say to my team, ask them,

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 2>why why are you nervous? Well, I've never sung in

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 2>public before. Why because my mum wants me to be

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer. And says to my dad because my dad's

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, and says my uncle and says my brother

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:54.479
<v Speaker 2>and says my granddad. Ah, right, okay, So are they

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 2>here today?

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:24:55.440 --> 0:25:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Do they know you're here. No, right, okay, where are they?

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Just out there brilliant. So you get a camera on

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 2>the parents and you say, we're just talking to some

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.199
<v Speaker 2>audience members. Why are you here today? Well, you know,

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>our kid got as tickets? Oh as your kids sing? No,

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>my kid's a lawyer. Oh right, okay. Do they want

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to sing? Have they ever sung? Have you ever seen

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.680
<v Speaker 2>them sing? No? No, no, no, no no no. Where

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.199
<v Speaker 2>are they today? They're at work? Oh okay. And you

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>have the kid walk on stage, you have the parents

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>go yikesy, and suddenly you have a beautiful, beautiful story.

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:29.439
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter whether the kid can sing or not.

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 2>If they can sing, it's wonderful. If they can't sing,

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just end it by saying, you know

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the jury is out, you're runner or whatever, but you

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>know it's really good. Producers are curious people, and if

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>you are one of those producers says they've said nervous

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 2>but excited, tick, then you're never going anywhere. But if

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you are interested in people and you think differently, then

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 2>you will always come up with the story. People are fascinating.

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 2>But it's our job to find that fascinating story because

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you have to really scratch and dig to find it,

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's your actual job. So I'd say to my

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.639
<v Speaker 2>teams they go, oh, there's nothing interesting about this person.

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 2>They go, of course there is, but it's your job

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 2>to find it. It's your job. That's why I employ you.

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>It's to go and find that amazing story. It's actually

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>your job.

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 1>What do you think about pre recorded reality TV? We've

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>seen it, you know, Survivor was pre recorded, and then

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Big Brother is now pre recorded. We've just seen I'm

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.879
<v Speaker 1>a Celebrity pre recorded, and you know, the cost is

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 1>really down. Do you think we're heading into a space

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>where nearly all reality television is going to be pre recorded?

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I love Survivor. I think Survivor is probably my favorite format,

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's because it's an extraordinarily honest format. It's your

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>job to be conniving and win, and everyone does that.

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course, everyone on every show is conniving to win.

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.159
<v Speaker 2>It's just people pretend they're not. You know, I'm not

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>really here to win. I'm just here to have a

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.360
<v Speaker 2>good time. No, you're not, because you've worked too hard

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>to get onto that show. If you didn't spend four

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>months trying to get onto a show that you're not

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>bothered about winning, So just be honest about it. Just

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>be honest on Survivor, it's your job to connive and.

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Throw people under the bus blindside.

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I really like that. I love Big Brother Live.

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 2>I really like it live because I think it's a

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>more exciting show when it's live, and I like that

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>audiences can influence the show enormously, and I think we're

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>all in it together. You know, you see it in

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>the papers and you know. And also I do one

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 2>of the funny things about Big Brother though it's my

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I hate starting a sentence with this is interesting or

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>this is funny, because whenever anyone does it with me,

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I always say, I'll be the judge of that. Thanks.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>But David Brown was the publicist on Big Brother, I

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>love dB, and he would come with the pilot press

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and he'd say, this is interesting. There's an article here

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 2>that says, you know, we have a jail being built

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the house, and you go, that's

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a good idea, should we build one? And one year

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.880
<v Speaker 2>we did actually build a naughty room, like a glass

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>room in the middle of the house that people went

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 2>into when they were naughty, because we'd read it in

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the paper, which I's a really good idea. So, yeah,

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.199
<v Speaker 2>ideas come from everywhere, and sometimes they come from the

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Daily Mail or the Mirror or the Sun or the

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Age or yeah, so thank you journalists. Yeah. I stopped

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 2>doing it because I actually thought I have no ideas left.

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And the final idea that I had that I still

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>think it was a good idea, which we never did,

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 2>was to put an intruder in the house with a

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 2>treasure hunt and you'd put them inside a box, bury

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>them in the garden with you know, full scuba suit

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:43.479
<v Speaker 2>and whatever, and you would give the housemates clues and

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>they would have to find the housemate. And you know,

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 2>my boss was saying, but what if they don't find them,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, if they die in the garden. Now, of

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>course we'd give them like loads of We're not going

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>to give them ten minutes of oxygen, are we. But

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that was that was the day when I thought, if

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of ideas like this, I should probably stop

0:28:59.120 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>doing this show.

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>If I'm thinking of ideas that are going to kill

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the housemates, then maybe it's time to do Dancing with

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the Stars or something else.

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's time to go and do a cooking show.

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm scared about you doing cooking because you'll end

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>up burning them on series.

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Eight, Take the Knives Away.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of interest these days as well in

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>finding out the secrets behind these shows being made. I

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're aware of it, but you know

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>now that they're being pre made. How to producers protect

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>these stories that are happening with inside the show? And

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>can they do that? Because we've seen leaks from I'm

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>a celebrity, We've seen leaks from Big Brother. People are

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to get photos of it. As a producer, how

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>would you try and stop that information getting out to

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the public before the show goes live?

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you do your best. Sometimes leaks are brilliant for

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you because they give you rating spikes, and sometimes you know.

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I did one Celebrity Apprentice and the one of the

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>camera men had posted something that obviously got the day

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>wrong and said that isn't it wonderful Dicko wins Celebrity

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Apprentice last night? And we went no, the final was

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>actually going out tonight. So and it was front page

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>of all the papers, and it was someone with someone

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>at the network, and I was saying to them, it's

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.479
<v Speaker 2>human error, and that's fine because people make mistakes all

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>the time, and actually it's probably going to do us

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a world of good. So I ask my team to

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 2>act honorably, and I said, we're all in this together.

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>We all want the show to work. On Celebrity Apprentice,

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I would say to the stars, if you do interesting

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff off screen, you're disrespecting our viewers and you're kind

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.239
<v Speaker 2>of killing the ratings. And actually you want this to

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 2>rate because you're on it, and when you aren't upfront,

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>people know that you're lying. I mean, people would sound

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>big brother. Of course, I love Benjamin. You think we

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>have cameras on you all the time. We know you

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know that you sit in the corner with Fred.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Benjamin's a nightmare. And you know, if we're in the

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>outside world, I would, you know, dob him into the

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.239
<v Speaker 2>authorities and I'm arrested. But you know, people will say no, no, no,

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I really like them, So it's really hard. The hard

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>one was, you know, things like farm want's wife. That's hard.

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>So we would put all the wives in the hotel

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>in Bahrain, and we would put the farmers in a

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 2>hotel in Paris practically, and they would still manage to,

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, and we take their phones away and we

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't let you know, and we'd say to the local

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 2>cab company, don't pick them up, you know, if they

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, just don't. Producers would be in

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 2>both hotels and you know, they'd still try and meet up.

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>You.

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>People are like it was like the says you, how

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>is it possible that you can find each other? So yes,

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>if you ever want anyone to be found a missing person,

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>ask someone on a reality TV show, because they'll find

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>them for you. Don't you worry. It's something that is

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.719
<v Speaker 2>just the hazard of the job, and you do your

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>best and you hope that people will act honorably, and

0:31:58.520 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>most of the time they do.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. They're doing a new Big Brother, which finished

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 1>filming on the twenty first of December, and I know

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>everyone that's in the show, and I know the order

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>that they get eliminated in and all this information. And

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't ask for it, but it just comes to

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>me and people will send it to me on Instagram.

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>The housemates when they get evicted are disgruntled, so they've

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 1>contacted me. And my partner says to me, is like,

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>how do you know all of this stuff, and I'm like,

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like a vortex, Like I basically never asked the question.

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I never add anyone. It all just comes to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many people working on shows that if

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<v Speaker 2>you do a spoiler, it's just a little bit unkind

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>to everyone working on the show. And I don't like gossip.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't gossip in life. It's you know, when I

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>was very young, my mother said to me, remember these

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<v Speaker 2>two things. One never run after a man. Okay, that's fine,

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>And as she said, And also, if someone wants everyone

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>to know their business, it's their business to tell them,

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<v Speaker 2>not yours. Never repeat anything anyone's ever told you. And

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 2>in reality TV people are Alex would call me the Vault.

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>They just make fun of me because they say, no

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 2>point in asking hers. She won't tell you, And I think, no,

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I won't. And I think in life and at work,

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<v Speaker 2>be the person everyone can trust, because if you are,

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>isn't that a beautiful place to be in your life?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have to have your moral code and

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 2>you have to keep it. We don't have to, but

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it's beautiful if you do. And if you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>for moral code, who are you and what do you

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<v Speaker 2>have in life? Because I don't know that you have anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. I think that is just amazing and so accurate

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>for people out there. You know, it's a really good

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>message to the people that are working on these shows,

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to the cast that go on them, and that is

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to protect their brand. You know. I made the mistake

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>last year of being told the cast of Big Brother,

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<v Speaker 1>and I released two of them early to the media,

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and then I had the whole cast, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>media offering me money to release more of them, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I made this conscious decision at that time to

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<v Speaker 1>not do it. And the reason why I chose not

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>to do it was because I thought, you know, people

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 1>were telling me that this piece of information is really vital.

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, you could use this information to get somewhere

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and all this sort of stuff. But at the end

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.399
<v Speaker 1>of the day i'd been on Big Brother. No one

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>ruined it for me, so I didn't want to ruin

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>it for someone else, so I just stopped doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not your nature. When I ran Big Brother in

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the UK, I was offered I can't remember it was

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 2>a huge amount of money by one of the tabloids

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>to release the housemates, and it was a large amount

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 2>of money. It would have paid off my mortgage. And

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought, I'm just not that person. I am not

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that human. And as a guy in the UK TV

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>host called Chris Evans and he did something mean to me,

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and he told one of my friends that it was

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 2>because I'd collaborated on a book about him, and I said,

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>please go back to him and say, hey, it's not

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 2>my nature. And b if I was going to collaborate

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 2>and talk about him, I would call him and tell

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>him that I was doing it so he would notice me.

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I would do it behind his back. I'm very much.

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're going to be stabbed by me,

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 2>absolutely go, I'm going to come over tomorrow at three

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>o'clock and stab you. You're right with that, yeah, brilliant,

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think you kind of you're either

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 2>that person or you're not. And if you are going

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 2>to be in this industry, you cannot be that person

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>because no one will ever trust you. And even in life,

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>just don't be that person. You know, have a moral

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.879
<v Speaker 2>code and you know, stick to it as much as

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>you can. And I'm not saying that, you know, I

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>get everything right. I would say, ninety nine percent of

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the things I do are completely and utterly wrong, but

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I try for the other one percent to do my

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>best to you know, be kind and ethical, and I

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 2>get it right very rarely, but I do think about.

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>It before I let you go. Maz. My last question

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 1>is what is your funniest go to story that you

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>say over dinner conversation when you look back at all

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the reality shows that you've been on. You've told us

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>some amazing stories today, but what the go to story

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.240
<v Speaker 1>for dinner conversation being that you've worked on all these shows.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I tell you the most one of

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.879
<v Speaker 2>my favorite moments is it's not funny particularly, but it's

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 2>just really interesting because you know, I'm fascinated by people,

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and I think when we first met, you were going

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to be an intruder on Big Brothers. Now, intruders do

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 2>a really serious job. We call them grenades. You know,

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>a good intruder is like a housemate times ten, because

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you're going into a family that's already established and you're

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the child that no one really wants to be there,

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and that's really difficult. You've got to be really strong.

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 2>And we were auditioning people for the part of an intruder.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And this guy came in and sometimes, you know, we

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>talked about this earlier. People will tell you whatever they

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>think that you want to hear, so they won't really

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>be honest. They'll just tell you stuff that they think

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.439
<v Speaker 2>you want to hear, and it never really works because

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And I said to this guy, I

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you're telling me stuff that I want

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 2>to hear, because he was saying, you know, I sleep

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 2>in my car. I pretend that I'm a millionaire and

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 2>that I'm drunk and I can't drive home to my

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>beachfront penthouse, so I get a lot of action and

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 2>I just sleep with you know, chicks in the car.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Because I was saying to how did you get action

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 2>if you're living in a car, And he was this

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>beautiful guy, really interesting, well educated, but it's just very

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 2>hard times lived in a car in a nightclub park,

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>car park. And I said to him, I'm borderline with you.

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I really like you, but I feel like you're feeding

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 2>me lines that you think I want. And he said,

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, well, it's easy for you to sit there

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 2>and ask the questions, isn't it. That said, Okay, ask

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>me one question, one question that really gets to the

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>heart of me. You have one question to ask me.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 2>He waited about this long, and he said, if someone

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 2>hurts someone in your family really badly and you could

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 2>kill them and get away with it, would you do it? Oh?

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>My god, whate interesting fascinating question. What an interesting human

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 2>you are fascinating. He didn't have that question in his

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>back pocket. It just came out. We put him into

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the house. He was straight back again, asould imagine, but

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 2>that was probably my favorite, one of my favorite moments.

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 2>And as he walked out the door, he turned around

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>and he said, what's the answer?

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<v Speaker 4>You go?

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Man? That is so interesting, isn't it so interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? That is amazing. I just want to say thank

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you so much for your time, and it's just been

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>such an insight. I can't wait to see which shows

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you work on next. You are brilliant. You're a brilliant mind,

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>You're an empathetic person, and I can't thank you enough

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 1>for being able to sit here and ramble on with

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>me for the afternoon.

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Absolute pleasure. It's an absolute honor to be on your show.

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I think you're very clever and a beautiful human, so

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Thanks Mez