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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gem Nation.

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Speaker 2: The editor of The Daily Oz is m Gillespie, and

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Speaker 2: she's here with everything.

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Speaker 3: Menendez brothers, well, Eric and Lyle are back in the headlines.

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Speaker 3: The Menendez brothers who, in case you forgot somehow murdered

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Speaker 3: their parents brutally in nineteen eighty nine in their Beverly

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Speaker 3: Hills mansion. The case has been back in the media

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Speaker 3: over the last year because there was a Netflix show

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Speaker 3: called Monsters that came out last year, a dramatization of

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Speaker 3: the events, but really kind of brought the story of

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Speaker 3: these brothers to a whole new generation. And since then

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Speaker 3: there's been this big legal push to get them out

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Speaker 3: of jail. And we had these parole hearings over the

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Speaker 3: weekend and much to the shock of the global community,

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Speaker 3: I think they were both denied parole. They've been denied

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Speaker 3: parole for another three years, so they're going to be

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Speaker 3: in jail for probably at least another three years.

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Speaker 2: So how many years does that make that all up? Now?

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Speaker 3: It's thirty They went in nineteen ninety three, that was

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Speaker 3: a hung jury nineteen ninety six, so thirty years they've had. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason that they've up for parole is

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Speaker 1: that new evidence through this documentary. No one has said

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Speaker 1: that they didn't murder their parents, but there were validating reasons.

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Speaker 1: That's what came up in the documentary.

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Speaker 3: There were some new evidence, like some letters that emerged

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Speaker 3: alleging abuse by the parents towards other people. Because there

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Speaker 3: was always this concern that the boys had lied about

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Speaker 3: physical abuse, particularly by the father. Then other people came

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Speaker 3: forward and said they had been abused, and that kind

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Speaker 3: of strengthened the self defense argument. But we've also heard

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Speaker 3: a lot over the last year that you know, Eric

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Speaker 3: and Lyle have really rehabilitated themselves in prison, that they've

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Speaker 3: been these upstanding kind of members of the community, that

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Speaker 3: they've been involved in outreach mental health programs, and that

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Speaker 3: they're real leaders within prison. But we heard through these

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Speaker 3: parole hearings a bit of a different story that maybe

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Speaker 3: doesn't paint them in such a positive light. Over the

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Speaker 3: last thirty years, Eric Menendez in particular, was refused parole

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Speaker 3: because of frequent rule violations, including drug use and physical altercations.

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Speaker 3: He's openly admitted to using heroin since being incarcerated. He

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Speaker 3: was found with tobacco and marijuana in his cell, a

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Speaker 3: lot of contraband offenses, a lot of mobile phone offenses.

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Speaker 3: Both of them have been found with mobile phones several

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Speaker 3: times over the thirty years. Eric was involved in frequent

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Speaker 3: fights and violent incidents. He was also found with prison

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Speaker 3: wine and supplies to make prison wine and substance gatherings.

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Speaker 3: So he held little kind of weed smoking parties in

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Speaker 3: his prison cell apparently, and this is one of the

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Speaker 3: standout infractions for me. He was found in abuse of

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Speaker 3: excessive physical contact during visitation. Cited for intimate contact with

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Speaker 3: his wife in the prison chapel while his then nine

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Speaker 3: year old stepdaughter was present. So that's some some misconduct.

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Speaker 3: There was a visitor assault and some other kind of

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Speaker 3: other assaults.

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Speaker 2: They all blended, so hang on. So we they were

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Speaker 2: in the church. So he married her outside of it

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Speaker 2: because he would have been in jail.

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Speaker 3: No, they got married afterwards. So yeah, yeah, they became

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Speaker 3: prison pen pals.

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Speaker 1: I suppose because women love that.

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Speaker 2: Some women love that stuff. They go in jail because

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Speaker 2: I don't think it works the other way around for men.

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Speaker 2: Men don't do it so much. For women, well you

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Speaker 2: probably who are because the woman's always in jail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does end up being the kind of that narrative. Lyle, though,

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Speaker 3: was also denied parole for lots of conduct and contraband missteps,

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Speaker 3: persistent self phone violations. He was actually banned from having

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Speaker 3: family visits for three years because he had so much

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Speaker 3: cel phone possession, drug involvement. He has gang affiliation. Apparently

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Speaker 3: in prison he's joined a bunch of gangs. So there's

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Speaker 3: all these kind of pictures that have been painted in

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Speaker 3: his hearings of kind of these men who really haven't

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Speaker 3: rehabilitated themselves during prison, that have been naughty boys, which

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Speaker 3: goes against the image that their lawyers have been portraying,

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Speaker 3: which is, you know that they're fully reformed and that

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Speaker 3: it's time for them to be released. They're both in

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Speaker 3: their fifties now and they've been in prison since their

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Speaker 3: early twenties. They were eighteen and twenty one when their

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Speaker 3: parents were murdered. But yeah, there's this sort of all

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Speaker 3: this abusive authority that's come to light. Their lawyer, meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: will shock you to know that he has denounced the

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Speaker 3: hearings as rigged. He said that the Department of Justice

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Speaker 3: in the Attorney General's Office have rigged all of this

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Speaker 3: as a big media show and that they haven't fully

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Speaker 3: taken in the evidence of their rehabilitation, so the strategy

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Speaker 3: is to kind of discredit the hearings. There's still the

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Speaker 3: chance that they'll be released on a clemency appeal by

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Speaker 3: Californian Governor Gavin Newsom. He could override the decision, but

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Speaker 3: that looks extremely unlikely now that we have all this

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Speaker 3: evidence of their behavior over the last thirty years. The

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Speaker 3: board did recommend that Newsome undergo a one hundred twenty

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Speaker 3: day legal review, so there'll be a bit of a

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Speaker 3: kind of inquiry, I suppose, into these findings and their

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Speaker 3: conduct over the last thirty years, and then there'll be

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Speaker 3: a final sign off from Gavin Newsom in a few months.

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Speaker 3: But I'd have to say it's not looking good.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should be on the pro on board. They'd

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Speaker 2: be very naughty boards and they should stay for the

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Speaker 2: rest of their lives. Thank you em Thanks. M Gillespie,

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Speaker 2: the editor of The Daily OZ