1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: This is jam nation with. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: The Jonesy Demander arms the pub test. Today Mossman Council 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: banning the Nativity Scene from being displayed in its chambers. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Does it pass the pub test? This is what the 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: council had to say, Well. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 3: Council is a secular organization. It's actually not a place 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 3: that religion is on the agenda for us. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 4: The Council has said that the Nativity scene will still 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 4: be available for people to see and for the blessing 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 4: of the Nativity scene, which little kids do at a 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 4: community events like the Carols by candlelight, et cetera, et cetera, 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 4: where they'll be displaying or the usual Christmas thing. They 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 4: just didn't want to have this in their council chambers. 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: I just had this flashback to Nativity scenes. I just 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 2: like looking at them. I like models and stuff like that. 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 4: You like a diorama. 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: I love a diorama, but it just paints a little, 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: nice little picture, you know. Then you go and see it. 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: And we had a little Nativity scene when we were kids. 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: It was like it wasn't big. 21 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: It was boud as big as a life of breath 22 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: and you just bring it out at Christmas. 23 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Mum put it out on the junk pile. 24 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: So I grabbed that as that's at my home, so 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: I don't know where it's somewhere in my garage, but 26 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: it's great, but it does nice flashback. 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 4: I'm not a religious person, but I do feel that 28 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: sometimes we do accommodate so many other cultures as we 29 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: like to do here in Australia, that it's easy to 30 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 4: let out the traditions that we grew up with, which 31 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: might be Dickie, might be whatever. Because some people see 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: this in a religious sense, some people sit in a 33 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 4: cultural sense. It's part of Christmas and we feel that 34 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 4: these things are being taken away. So how do you 35 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: feel most of my council banning the Nativity scene from 36 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: being displayed in its chambers. Does it passed the pub test? 37 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 5: No, it definitely does not pass the pub test. You know, 38 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 5: we're an the clusive country and we're always making changes 39 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 5: for people and commodating them. This is just another thing 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 5: that we seem to be losing over. 41 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: These I'm completely aging Amanda when they say, you know, 42 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: we're kind of including all the other religions, but then 43 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: we're going to just washing out to Christianity. I just 44 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous because there is no on their gender, 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: but they don't mind taking the day off to celebrated. 46 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 6: I thought people come to this country because we're loving 47 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 6: and fun and jovial and blurry cans that. No, you 48 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 6: can't be any of that anymore because you know you 49 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 6: might not include everybody. 50 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: No, I think it's completely wrong. The Christmas is a 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: religious holiday in the first place, it breaks up the 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: Christ's math. And if they want to be inclusive, then 53 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: why they're excluding this. 54 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 7: No, it doesn't I work in a state government department 55 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 7: and we have four different religions and we all celebrate 56 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 7: them together. If you take out one religion, it just 57 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 7: creates ig notes and it's disharmony. And that's where there's 58 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 7: problems where people don't understand other religions. 59 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: Lord knows, we don't need any more disharmony in this world. 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 4: It's pretty conclusive then,