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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 2: With Lola Berry. Hello.

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Speaker 1: This morning, we have a hero of mine on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and that is doctor Noel Gregory Smith aka my Dad.

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Speaker 1: I really hope you love this chat. He features quite

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Speaker 1: heavily on my Instagram in my story, so it was

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Speaker 1: really nice to sit down with him in one of

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Speaker 1: my childhood homes where I spent a lot of my

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Speaker 1: high school life, and with his had a good old

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Speaker 1: laugh and we celebrated all things knowl Smith.

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Speaker 2: Love you, Dad.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to welcome today's guests of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: the wonderful doctor NOLG. Smith aka my Dad. Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Los. I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's I feel very privileged, in fact, quite humble,

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Speaker 3: given the caliber of your last mini guests. I think

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Speaker 3: in nearly up to one hundred podcasts.

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Speaker 2: You said that to me.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea, no, and I've listened to a

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Speaker 3: lot of them, not all of them, but have.

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Speaker 1: You noticed so the first few EPs that came out,

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Speaker 1: you said, my language is a little bit too much swearing.

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Speaker 2: Have you noticed I've pulled back on the swearing.

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Speaker 3: I have, but there's one rule when you interview me,

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Speaker 3: no colorful language.

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Speaker 2: That's wonder But have you noticed that I have pulled

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Speaker 2: back up?

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Speaker 3: You have? And I think I think they appealed to

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Speaker 3: a wider demographicmographic then originally. So yeah, I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very proud of you. Actually, not because of the podcast,

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Speaker 3: but because of your journey. You walk the talk and

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Speaker 3: it's not just the podcast, but it's the nutrition and

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Speaker 3: the net tropathy and the yogre and now you're acting

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Speaker 3: lots you are, and you know you should be proud

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Speaker 3: of yourself. You're passionate and you know I wish you

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Speaker 3: all the very best.

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Speaker 2: Oh Dad, This podcast has meant to be about you,

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Speaker 2: not me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I could probably talk about you all morning because

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Speaker 3: I walk past your door every day. You're not living

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Speaker 3: here anymore. But the mantra is if you can dream it,

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Speaker 3: you can do it.

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Speaker 1: It's on my front door, isn't And you know that

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Speaker 1: that bag that's on my front door. The reason why

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Speaker 1: I stuck it on that bedroom door. Is because it

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Speaker 1: was my first ever bookshoot that we shot with like Melanie,

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Speaker 1: like a friend from years ago, and you know, we

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Speaker 1: just shot at ourselves and it's from that first ever is.

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Speaker 3: That right, well twelve years ago. Well, I think you

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Speaker 3: believe it and I think you've done it.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Well no, but that's a testament to.

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Speaker 1: You and I think the way you know, and this

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Speaker 1: is what I'm excited to explore. Like you've run your

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Speaker 1: own business the year that I was born. You open

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Speaker 1: this vet clinic. So we're actually doing this interview in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne above the vet clinic right now, and that's where

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Speaker 1: this was my teenage home. And I think I've definitely

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Speaker 1: also landed here a lot more in my twenty years

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Speaker 3: It's halfway house. You've been doing lots of things, but

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Speaker 3: you've always come back for short periods of time and

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Speaker 3: you're most welcome. I love having you, but I know

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Speaker 3: that you're going to go again.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm very gipsy, but because I've lived in different parts

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Speaker 1: coming back for a month and then it will turned

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Speaker 1: into six months sometimes, won't it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's been a difficult twelve months. And

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Speaker 3: you've spent time down at my place at Talkie Talkie

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Speaker 2: We've got to get you to visit us.

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Speaker 3: I do. But you've been able to explore your favorite word,

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Speaker 3: your biophilia. Yeah, the power of nature and it's healing powers.

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Speaker 3: And that's a great antidote if you like full failure

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Speaker 1: And another thing that I think is an antidote is

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Speaker 1: past twelve months has been a catalyst for that. But animals,

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Speaker 1: and you're a vet, yes, and you've been in essential service,

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Speaker 2: Of course, I remember.

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Speaker 1: You saying to me, hey, when it was really really

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Speaker 3: Well, essentially, I'm And it's been an extraordinary year. It's

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Speaker 3: no fold of their own, have lost their jobs. But yes,

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Speaker 3: it was difficult. We had to. No one was allowed

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Speaker 3: not just throughout Australia to cope with this. And people

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Speaker 3: You know, dogs aren't so many dogs get a band

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Speaker 1: When you say Christmas time dogs get a bandoned, do

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Speaker 2: Then people get over.

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Speaker 1: Can I can? I had no idea about that, but

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Speaker 1: further back into your career, because is it true that

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Speaker 3: Well, I spent many years as an equine vet, but

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Speaker 3: we were the official veterinarians for harness racing in Victoria. Then,

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Speaker 2: Didn't a donkey kick you in the face or something

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Speaker 3: This is true. I actually got called out to Ashton's

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Speaker 3: This happens all the time.

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Speaker 1: Just had a coffee date and someone's like, oh, you're

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Speaker 2: Me what I'm allowed to do? Like literally minutes before.

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Speaker 3: That's right with a little puppy. Yeah, it was only

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Speaker 3: A mule's a cross between a mayor and a donkey.

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Speaker 2: So and mayor is a female horse.

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Speaker 3: And a donkey is a male donkey, and a mule

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Speaker 2: But were you having like food through straws?

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Speaker 3: And well, I had all this external fixation, like I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is early eighties, and my mother at the

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Speaker 1: He didn't recognize Oh, because you had all the do

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Speaker 3: Six to eight weeks? Wow, it was it was severe injuries.

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Speaker 2: I was singing brain injury as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they thought I may have had some vision

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Speaker 3: where I did in the middle third of the face. Wow,

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Speaker 3: because they were able to reconstruct it. I mean, they've

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Speaker 3: done a pretty good job. Yeah. I keep telling I

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Speaker 3: keep telling people I used to be good looking, but

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Speaker 1: At twenty seven, that would be a very confronting thing.

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Speaker 1: Like twenty seven you're coming into like you know, you've

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Speaker 2: And what's the boys?

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00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: Coults? Babies maybe colts up until two years and then

441
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: they're stadiums.

442
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: Matt.

443
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: Dad's taught Matt this and he he'll often say a

444
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: and imitate you.

445
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: It does. It makes me laugh. But he's learning things.

446
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm learning things about music production, and he's learning things.

447
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: I love myself.

448
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: That's good.

449
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: So just because I know, I feel like horses are wonderful,

450
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: wonderful creatures, although I'm allergic to them, which you.

451
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: Know, sadly you're you're allergic to the horse stand or

452
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: the horse here.

453
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've learned that the hard way. A few times.

454
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: We've had to get the anti satter.

455
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's quite calming to be around, like when

456
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: you're with a horse. I know race horses are more

457
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: that hot blooded, fiery nature. But I've done a shoot

458
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: before with horses in Byron and they that so they

459
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: had like the photographer and a model and whatnot, and

460
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: I was shooting with my friend and then the person

461
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: that was kind of like the horse trainer who was

462
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: there looking after the horses on shoot, there was probably

463
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: four horses on shoot, said I've never seen someone drop

464
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: in so fast.

465
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: And I said, what's drop in is.

466
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: Like you're calming to the energy the how like you

467
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: like your energy is calming down Because horses hearts are

468
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: about four times the size of ours and their heart

469
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: rate is obviously slower, and it's like they're used in

470
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: equine therapy to really calm people down with anxiety.

471
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: Adhd Well, it's just not horses. We can That's what

472
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: I was going to say. That was my segue, Dad, Right.

473
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: But you're right. There is a disabled program for horses

474
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: where disabled kids hop on horses and get a feel

475
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: for them. There are a lot of programs out there

476
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: involving horses.

477
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: There's now yoga you can do on horses. Did you

478
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: know that?

479
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

480
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't done it class.

481
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's that's good. That's good. Any anything that

482
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: helps individuals well being has got to be a bonus,

483
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: doesn't it.

484
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: But let's talk about pet therapy in general. Because our

485
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: dog before Chet, beautiful Bobby, that you and I both loved,

486
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: We would often take him when we go to visit Grandpa.

487
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: I always say the wrong word retirement home age care facility.

488
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: Retirement, Yeah, age care facility, we call it because most

489
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: of them were in the latter times of their life

490
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 3: and a lot of them, a lot of them had

491
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: a little bit of demention.

492
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: Like eighty plus we're talking here, eighty five plus.

493
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's it's been well. It's a great program,

494
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: Pets for therapy. It's gone quite a little bit of

495
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 3: COVID obviously, but it's brilliant what they've done. It's well

496
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: proven that an aged person in the presence of a dog,

497
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 3: whether they're with them or patting them, it slows their

498
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: heart rate, it slows their respiration rate, it decreases their

499
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: blood pressure, and they feel more content.

500
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: It's been proving study, isn't the studies online If you've

501
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: got a pet in your older age that you often

502
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: live longer because you've got purpose and you're looking after.

503
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 3: Those other things are controlled that blood pressure, Yeah, and

504
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: you've got a little bit of contentment and.

505
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Peace and companionship and great companionship.

506
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: But dogs have been used in the police force, military

507
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: and customs for years because they've got such great old

508
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: factory or smelling receptors far better than us, so they've

509
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: been new there, but they're now being used pre COVID

510
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: in schools for literacy where reading recovery situations where kids

511
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: who are struggling to read they read to an attentive

512
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: dog or they think the dog's attentive, and they come

513
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: out of themselves. They really read better than reading to

514
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 3: another person because they think the dog's listening and they

515
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: think they're reading to the dog. And the other big

516
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: development with pets for therapy is in medicine, and this

517
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: is extremely interesting dogs because their olfactory and smelling receptors

518
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: are so good, so sensitive. They can smell from the

519
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 3: breath abnormal chemicals that the body is giving off. They

520
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: can also smell skin changes, and with urine samples they

521
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: can smell and they can pick up things like lung

522
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: cancer because of the breath. They can pick up things

523
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: like melanoma because of skin odor. They can pick up

524
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: things like renal disease, kidney disease from urine. They can

525
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: also pick up glucose for diabetics, so they can pick

526
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: these things up prior to even prior to things being diagnosed.

527
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a new direction.

528
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: I remember when we took Bobby to see Grandpa. Grandpa

529
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: was one more excited to see Bobby than your I

530
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: one hundred Would you agree?

531
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: I would? He loved it, his face just lipp and

532
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: I used to take Linda's dog to ship dogs and.

533
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: They both de Bordeaux is that right dog?

534
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: Border, big dog but gentle, giant, and Bobby was a

535
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: Labrador golden retrieve across the black.

536
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: He was beautiful, very docile.

537
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: I remember like even walking through to get to Grandpa's room,

538
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: people would be stopping you and wanting to have a part,

539
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: wanting to say hello.

540
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: Well, when I took him up to mother's HP facility,

541
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: I used to have to take him around to every

542
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: room and go in the rooms and each individual would

543
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: say hello. Some of them weren't interested, they said oh no,

544
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: but the majority were. And he was a real Pets

545
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: for therapy dog because he wasn't just seeing a mother,

546
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: he was seeing everyone else. And then he'd do his

547
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: tricks for them. Oh yeah, in the main room, TV room,

548
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: he'd do his tricks.

549
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: He's to carry a lead, didn't he? Or was that more?

550
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 3: Linda had another dog, a new Foundland, and I'd do

551
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: some school talks.

552
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: You bought linook to my school Newfoundlands, if anyone's listening,

553
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: are beautiful there.

554
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: European from New found which near Canada, near Canada, very

555
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: massive dogs. And this this dog had his own little

556
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: carry back and within the bag he had a flannel

557
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: because he would ruler. He was a drawler, and he

558
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: had his little water bowl and he had his lead

559
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: and he walked into Lola's class carrying his bag in

560
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: his mouth.

561
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so funny.

562
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: I remember that. That was in grade six, I think

563
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: at middle Park Prime.

564
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, have funny.

565
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: And he was a beautiful dog. But yeah, both both dogs,

566
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: Shan and Bobby, would often go to the age care

567
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: facilities and the oldies loved them.

568
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

569
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: But my father, oh yeah, Grandpa. I'd be like, tell

570
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: me a war story, Grandpa, and he's like, where's the dog.

571
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes he'd like look at me and be like, oh,

572
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: she's asked me the same question again, and he will

573
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: look out the window. I could tell I was really

574
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: annoying him sometimes.

575
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: Do you remember that.

576
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: Time I went to visit him because I'd always take

577
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of flowers and I got him. John calls

578
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and you called me and you were like, don't think

579
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: you should buy junkles.

580
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: They've stunk out the whole room lower, do you remember?

581
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he always talked about roses too, didn't they

582
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: or a crooner. Yeah, he worked on orchards as a boy,

583
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: and that's sort of orchards as a boy. So he

584
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: became a very good sort of gardener.

585
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: Very cool.

586
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I have to ask another question, Yes, what's the weirdest

587
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: dog name that? Because we were walking this morning and

588
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: you said, oh, there's a brown version of Check called

589
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: jelly Jelly, and I said that's I thought, oh, that's

590
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: a funny name for it.

591
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: Sounds like a kid might have named that dog.

592
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, there's only one Chet on

593
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: my books.

594
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: He was a check.

595
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: He was called Check, and I thought that's a silly

596
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: name for a dog.

597
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: So we called him Chet.

598
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 3: So and we called him Check. You chose it.

599
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: Well, there's a beautiful singer called chet Faker, And so

600
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: I thought Melbourne Ands might be like, oh you know, yes, Melbourne.

601
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: Well we'll chat. He answers to Check anyway, so we

602
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: thought he would answer to Chet.

603
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: He does, yeah, and now he gets cheddy checkerboard. Matt

604
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: calls in and he gets a bit of everything he does.

605
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but whats have you had any? Like?

606
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Even yesterday walking with Tim, his first dog was called

607
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: He named it Olive and his mom didn't like it.

608
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: So when it had to go to the vet really

609
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: early on, the vet nurse said, well, what's your puppy's name?

610
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: And when Tim wasn't looking, his mum turned around and

611
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: said Ollie, And he said when the dog came over,

612
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: Oli responded to Olie, not Olive anymore.

613
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: Well, my question would be was Olive female all? Because

614
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: Oli is more male? But I suppose you know it was.

615
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: I think these days.

616
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't very funny that we were talking about funny

617
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: dog names, but yeah.

618
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 2: Have you had any weird ones? Like?

619
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Do you know when I lived in Sydney, I had

620
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: a roommate called Oscar, and we'd always walk his dog,

621
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: Humphrey at the dog park at BONDI no rush.

622
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: Cutters around there.

623
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: And one day we were walking Humphrey and he was

624
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: a very social dog, so he'd be jumping and having

625
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: fun chock brown lab and you'd meet the owners and

626
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I'm Lola and this is Oscar

627
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: and she go. The owner goes, you two have got

628
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: dog names. There's a lot of Lola dogs now.

629
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: Right, And every time a Lola comes in, I sort

630
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: of think, well in a good way.

631
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: The Lola I met.

632
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: Was this big bulldog, this big British bulldog, and I thought,

633
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: how funny.

634
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'd love to go to my records now

635
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: because I could come up with probably multi Yeah, strange.

636
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: But there'd be a lot of like Ziggy's and.

637
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: The common common names. We rea into Bonnie today and

638
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: we went in ran into meek It today.

639
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: We did.

640
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 3: You know, nothing surprises me when it comes to dog.

641
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: Names, and what about does someone have very human names?

642
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: I like, this is Roger? Really?

643
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 3: Some people call their dog dog, No, they do. It's

644
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: very imagined.

645
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: But you know, have you heard there's a few celebrities

646
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: have called their baby baby really yeah recently that's a

647
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: new trend.

648
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: New trend. Oh well, maybe it's in the dog world

649
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: as well.

650
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like sounds like it's now. I need to

651
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: ask you a quick a passion question. So other than

652
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: veterinary science and you know, being an animal enthusiast, you.

653
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Are also a football well sport in general.

654
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: And on my birthday, the day was to say.

655
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: Well, on the Dows. Was it a prelim final?

656
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: It was a preliminary final.

657
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: Yes, with the Bombers.

658
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: I follow Usson and it's been They've been a bit

659
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 3: sad the last couple of years, but I do follow

660
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: us and I'm very loyal, and yes, I'll let you continue.

661
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Speaker 2: So you missed the prelim final for my birth? Is

662
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: that great? You had to give your ticket away?

663
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: I did. I missed the preliminary.

664
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Speaker 1: Final nineteen eighty five, quite happy to do it, mind you,

665
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: no quite happy to do it.

666
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: So then two weeks later, were you able to get

667
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: to the Grand Final?

668
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: Next week? The next week, the next week, I got

669
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: to the Grand Final and that year nineteen eighty five,

670
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: it was yes, and they won. So so I forgave you. Mum.

671
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: Mum famously said, she's like I went for Carleton, but

672
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: I knew that the second you two were born you

673
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: were going to have to go for the Bombers and

674
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: Beverly your mom massive, yeah, Bombers fanatic.

675
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think as Melbournians just so privileged to have

676
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: such such sporting arenas as our playground. Like I just

677
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: love walking to the MCG I love walking through the

678
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: entrance of Plymington Racecourse. I like walking along the Era

679
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: to the Tennis Center. I mean, we're just so lucky

680
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: to have these beautiful facilities close to the city. Most

681
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: of the other big cities New York, London with Wimbledon

682
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: and France with Roland Garros and things like that, you

683
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: have to travel and we can walk along the er

684
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: and we're there. And yeah, you used to go and

685
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: you'd always I'd take you to the MCG and we'd

686
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: always sit where you knew the camera was fanning and

687
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: you'd come up on the big screen on the school

688
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: board multi times and that was the highlight of your

689
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: day rather than watching the football. But I enjoyed the football.

690
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: You enjoyed, But what about that?

691
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: And I meet my friend Amanda Dawn in the second

692
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: row at the front, and we'd be like, we're going

693
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: to get on the big screen today.

694
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I've totally forgot about that.

695
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: You and Amanda were, you know, commonly up on the

696
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: big and once you saw yourselves, you'd be waving crazily.

697
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: Day made Oh my goodness.

698
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: How does it feel with sport and COVID Like you've

699
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: obviously lost You did get to go to the Australian

700
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: open before the snap lockdown. But like does it feel

701
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: like because that feels like it's the heartbeat of Melbourne.

702
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, to be honest, it's it's affected me in

703
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: that the interest has waned a little bit. It just

704
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: hasn't been quite as intensive the interest. I still follow it.

705
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: I'm interested in all sport.

706
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Is it weird watching things with not like all of

707
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: AO would have had no audience members?

708
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: Well for the lockdown? Yeah, the Australian is it a

709
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: weird energy?

710
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: It is a weird energy. And when we went back

711
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: and I went to a night session, you know, we

712
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: were socially distancing, we were masking, and we were sanitizing,

713
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: as we've had to do. But this COVID period of

714
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: this pandemic, we're probably not going to realize the effect

715
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: of it until it becomes history. I mean it's like

716
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: the Spanish flu in the nineteen twenties. You know, we

717
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: can talk about that. Now. This pandemic hasn't got really

718
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: a start, middle, or end yet and we're still living

719
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: at and it's affected in so many ways, mental health

720
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: being the big one. And I think we've just taken

721
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: so many things for granted previously, you know, and even

722
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: our health workers and our health system, we've taken that

723
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: for granted. I think all those people that are working

724
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: in those areas just have to be commended so highly.

725
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: They've just done such an amazing job and put themselves

726
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: at you unbelievable risk, and hopefully, you know, at the

727
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: end of this, we we as a society can appreciate

728
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 3: funding for science and health so that we can get

729
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: on top of these things going forward. But COVID is

730
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: going to be around for a long time. I mean,

731
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: I think probably the weapon is going to be vaccination,

732
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: but it's not going to be the savior because these

733
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: respiratory viruses they do mutate. You just got to look

734
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: at the influenza virus. There different strains every year.

735
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: You get vacks, Like you'll get a vax for the flu,

736
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: right because I think you have to do your job,

737
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: But you can still get a cold, you get a

738
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: version of the flu.

739
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: You still get a lot of snuffles and throats and

740
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: that during the winter, even though I'm vaccinated. But people

741
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: are talking about vaccination big time regarding this pandemic, and

742
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: especially en Byron. Yeah, well, let me say, when I

743
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: graduated getting back to veterniny. When I graduated, there was

744
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: a disease called parvovirus and it was rife. You know,

745
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: all the puppies were in the clinic. They had hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, which.

746
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: Does that mean blood gastro.

747
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: Blood, gastro vomiting, vomiting and scouring.

748
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but with blood, with.

749
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: Blood, and we were losing fifty percent of everything that

750
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: got it fifty Now, parvovirus is still out there. It's

751
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: still out there. We still see a sporadic case. But

752
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: because the vaccination program is intense and people are aware

753
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: of it. We vaccinate puppies at eight, twelve and sixteen

754
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: weeks and then give them an annual booster. We're hardly

755
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: seeing any parvovirus. And another virus that was around when

756
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 3: I graduated was one called distemper, killing heaps of dogs.

757
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: Hardly ever see it now because of vaccination. So you

758
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: can always get negatives to vaccination. You get some people

759
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: that react unexpectedly, and same with puppies and dogs.

760
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you know what, As you know, I've

761
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: had to have quite a lot of vaccinations for American

762
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: visas and whatnot, And my last I had to go

763
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: in December and the doctor said, oh, I need to

764
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: give you a flu jab legally because it's on your

765
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: paperwork that you do.

766
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: I said, I've never had one, and.

767
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, We're just going to make sure you

768
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: have to sit here for twenty minutes post the jab,

769
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: and they watch you and he'll come out and check

770
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: you every ten or so minutes and just check that

771
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: your temperature is fine.

772
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: And I hadn't experienced.

773
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: That before, but it did make me feel like I

774
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: was supported in the scenario.

775
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: That I was in.

776
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: Well, it just proves the point that some people obviously

777
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: do react. They might you know, they might get well.

778
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: Certainly dogs, they can get anaphylactic reactions like swellings and

779
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: allergies to and I'm sure it happens in people too

780
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: where and if that happens, you might have to have

781
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: like an anti history in something anti elergy. But I

782
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: think you know the positives me being scientifically minded, the

783
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: positives far outragh than negatives.

784
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you sharing that because I didn't expect

785
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: us to go down the vaccination road, and I haven't

786
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: spoken about it either, And I do want to acknowledge

787
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: that I fully respect anybody's decision and I would never

788
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: put my own opinion on anybody else. But you know,

789
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm in a situation as well where I'll have to

790
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: vaccinate in order to travel, travel and do my work passion.

791
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: So I think it's about.

792
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: And like obviously being so close to my mate Tim

793
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: and his doctor, and I just think like it's a

794
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: tricky one because there's a lot of personal attachment to

795
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm in my dad, I'm in my mid thirties

796
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: and like a lot of people are talking me fertility

797
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: effects and whatnot, and that's confronting to hear that. But

798
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: it's actually been both you, Mum and Tim that have

799
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: kind of given me the scientific stuff to help put

800
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: my mind to ease a little bit. But yeah, I

801
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: just want to quickly just say, like I'm not putting

802
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: our opinion on anybody.

803
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: It run's entired with their own opinion.

804
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: I respect, I respect anyone's opinion. I mean they can

805
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: do their own research. These days, Janet is a great

806
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: medium for getting information, yeah, positive and negative.

807
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: But even in Byron Bay, like five g isn't allowed, right,

808
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: And as soon as I land in Sydney or Melbourne,

809
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: five flicks on your phone straight away, and so it's

810
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: just you know, I think it's just like where you are,

811
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: and I think what your goals in life are like,

812
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, I know that I want to travel for

813
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: a living, and it's important for my work, and so

814
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: I know that that's something that if I want to

815
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: be free to travel, that I'm going to have to do. Now,

816
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: I see Dad has this beautiful list in front of him.

817
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: He's got love handwriting. We're coming up to the end

818
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: of the pod. So what have I missed at m

819
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: He's got like an A or double side on it.

820
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: Just a few points that I thought about eighty that

821
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: you might cover, you know, did I cover.

822
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: Some of it?

823
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: You cover most of them. But I think you know

824
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: your mantra, if you can dream it, you can do it. Yeah.

825
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: And my football metaphor keep kicking goals goals.

826
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: And when I moved to the Gold Coaster, the first time,

827
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: you wrote that on my card and I was crying

828
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: with the first time I've moved away into another state.

829
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: Now I've lived in that many states that you're like,

830
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: I'll see in.

831
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: A few months, that's right. And I've probably got a

832
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: few little mantras of men Yeah. You know. I always

833
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: like to say to people, the secret to a life

834
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 3: well lived is not to count the years. You think

835
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: ninety year old's have lived a great life. But it's

836
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: not to count the years, but to make the years count. Yeah,

837
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: and I've I've got another little saying that I like,

838
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: and it's ten to ten two letter words. If it

839
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: is to be, it is up to me. Yeah, and

840
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: I think that fits you.

841
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Was there anything that grandma or

842
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: grandpa instilled? Because you obviously got a lot of drive.

843
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 2: You've set up your own practice, you know, your own boss.

844
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: Technically I am.

845
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I'm trained in business management or.

846
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: Leadership too friendly.

847
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think to be a leader you need to

848
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: obviously instill respect in your employees, but you need to

849
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: get a balance between respect and friendship. And I'm a

850
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: little bit too far to friendship to really get full

851
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: on respect. But I've got through thirty five years in

852
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: business and we're still going strong.

853
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: So I think you have a lot of respect.

854
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: But I think you are a very heart driven person,

855
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: and so you really care that everyone's happy and feeling

856
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: comfortable in the environment.

857
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: There. I don't like confrontation.

858
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: No, you don't.

859
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 3: And I don't like berating people.

860
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: You don't beerate anyone.

861
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: I don't like disciplining people. But to a degree in business,

862
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: you have to be prepared to do those things.

863
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially if you own your own business, because

864
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: you've got to have your own back.

865
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: And I think nobody else is.

866
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: Going to do that if you like, they say, like,

867
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: no one will ever work as hard on your dream

868
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: as you.

869
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: And so the practice is yours.

870
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: It is, it is, And you know, it's been a

871
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: privilege to have my work and be driven as a

872
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: bet an area. It's been a joyful journey, as I

873
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: think yours is. I think yours is a joyful journey too.

874
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: But I've really enjoyed the profession. It's become very humanized

875
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: where we're just GPS. Now. When I started, you had

876
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: to go at everything. But we've got our specialist orthopedic,

877
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: we've got our specialist dermatologists, we've got a specialist on cologists,

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Speaker 3: we've got a specialist ultrascenographer. We're using mriyes CT scans,

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Speaker 3: so it's become very humanized and we often see an

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Speaker 3: animal and say, right, it needs an ultra scand off, yeah,

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Speaker 3: or an ophthalmologist that needs a specialist to have a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's an ophthalmologist, study.

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Speaker 3: Of eyes diseases. Yeah, oncologists cancer, yeah, orthopedic bone surgery.

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Speaker 3: So it's become very humanized. It's it's great for the animals.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit more costly probably for owners. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but we do promote insurance whereby they can get sort

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Speaker 3: of eighty percent back.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, pet pet insurance.

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Speaker 3: Pet insurance. Yeah, so that's a new area.

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Speaker 1: Final question, Yes, what is the weirdest animal that has

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Speaker 1: been brought in? I've seen you have possoms in, we

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Speaker 1: have costs.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I had a carp fishpah come

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Speaker 3: in in five gallon bucket and I was told that

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Speaker 3: this had these this motley skin, the scaling of the

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Speaker 3: and I think he had a fish pond. This guy

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Speaker 3: and I came in and he said, oh, look it's

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Speaker 3: got these marks on its skin. It was just in

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Speaker 3: a bucket of water. And so that was what did

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Speaker 3: you do?

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Speaker 2: Read up? What did you have to do?

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Speaker 3: I knew that we had to put something in the

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Speaker 3: water to treat this skin. And there are products that

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Speaker 3: you can put it in. Well it didn't come back,

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Speaker 3: so it went one way or the other. But my

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Speaker 3: nurses sometimes play tricks on me and they're booking something

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00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: that is fictitious really, and I you know, I once

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00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: came in in the morning and I saw that I

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Speaker 3: had a green tree snake and I thought, oh gee,

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Speaker 3: this isn't for me. I'm not looking forward to this.

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Speaker 3: And anyway, it was one of those fictitious consultations. Good

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Speaker 3: on there so they get their own back.

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Speaker 2: Oh awesome, Thank you so much, Dad.

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Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure and I love talking to you anyway.

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Speaker 2: I know it was like an added bonus chat.

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Speaker 3: It's just like a chat at a coffee shop.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Love you lots and can't wait to visit Melbourne

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Speaker 1: again soon.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till you kim. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation

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