1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Dowered by the IR Radio WAPP from ninety six Air 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: FM to where heever you're listening today. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: This is Clezy and Leasa's Py John Uses. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 3: Gooday and welcome to our very special back to nineteen 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: eighty four podcast. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 4: Over the past couple of weeks we've been talking to 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 4: some of the movers and shakers of nineteen eighty four, 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 4: including Andrew Farris from in Excess News Legend, Terry Willasey, 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 4: Greg Evans from Perfect Match, wa football legend, John Todd 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 4: in a fascinating chat with Royal Mint CEO Lee Gordon 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 4: about the fortieth anniversary of the one dollar coin. 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: I'll pay for that look. 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 3: There's also Perth Radio and TV Royalty Baby, John Burgess 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: Cricketing Great and former Australing Captain, Kim Hughes, Andy McCluskey 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: from orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, Johnny Young from Young 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: Talent Time, and Ross the Boss Wilson from Daddy Cool 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: and Mondo Rock. 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 4: So settle into your bean bag, get Y Rubik's qube 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 4: out and grab some West Coast coolers as we all 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 4: go back and celebrate the year that turns forty. This 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: year nineteen eighty four, we have been talking about how 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four turns forty this year. We don't just 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: mean the book, we don't mean the movie. Were me 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 4: in the year, and so much happened in nineteen eighty four, 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: not least of which Perfect Match launched on our TV 26 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 4: screens with Greg Evans the host, and he's joining us 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 4: this morning. 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: Hello Greg Evans, this. 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 5: Morning, Greg, Hello guy, nice to talk to you. I cannot 30 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 5: believe where did that forty years go? 31 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Well, we ev. 32 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 5: Time time when you're making love? 33 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's the year I finished school. It's it's amazing. 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 4: How did you get the hosting gig on a Perfect Match? 35 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: You and Dexter? 36 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 5: Well, I was I was working on radio. 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 6: Of course, radio was my first love and I was 38 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 6: working on a radio station in Melbourne three. 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 7: MP and Grundy Is. The producers of the show rang 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 7: me and said, listen, we've got a dating show here 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 7: and we think you might be. 42 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 5: Right for it. Come up to Sydney and have a look. 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 5: And I did. 44 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 7: They introduced me to a beautiful lady called Diminusem said. 45 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 7: I said, well what I mean? They said, well, Channel 46 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 7: ten I've decided they want you. I won some Awards. 47 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 6: That's the most popular disco in Victoria, and so they 48 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 6: picked me and I left Radion and went into television. 49 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: Sensational the job the beautiful Diminusum. But what was your 50 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: reaction to? Oh, and there'll also be a robot. 51 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 5: The robot. 52 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 7: The funny thing was that took us about ten weeks 53 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 7: to try and figure out a name. He was going 54 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 7: to be called Astro, and there was all sorts of 55 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 7: names in the reg Grundy himself came up with the 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 7: name Dexter. 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: And it's amazing because now when people talk to me 58 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: about Perfect Match forty years ago, the first question and 59 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: the most asked question in my life is where's yes? 60 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: Where is it? We speculated it this. 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 5: Morning Dexter's in a museum where I should be. 62 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 6: In his confederation squar in Melbourne and the found of 63 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 6: film Archive. 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: I said, social would have a bit of a mix 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: on there and melms. 66 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: How much of the show was scripted or was it 67 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: all pretty much ad lib department? The stuff you had 68 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: to do as a host. 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 5: I know. 70 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 7: The beautiful part about Perfect Match was that it was 71 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 7: all ad lib. 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: I never used to see. 73 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 6: The questions and I never knew what anyone was going 74 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 6: to say. And so that's I think, I think that's 75 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 6: what might have made it, you know, work, because it 76 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 6: was at whereas you know, as you know, as you 77 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 6: well known that you know a lot of reality TV 78 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 6: these days is scripted, and that way you just you 79 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 6: lose the naturalness. 80 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: Don't you one hundred percent? 81 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 4: And another great thing about the show, as I recall 82 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: the great prizes because it was a really nice trip away. 83 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: So I can't imagine you would ever have been short 84 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: on people wanting to audition for the show. 85 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 7: The people were bashing the door down on Perfect Match, 86 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 7: so there was a cue from here to Darwin. 87 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 5: The a couple of some of them. 88 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 6: Wanted to go on because they just wanted to be 89 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 6: on TV. Of course, some of them wanted to go on, 90 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 6: you know, for the holiday. Some of them wanted to 91 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 6: go on to find true romance, and they found all 92 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 6: of that. There was eleven marriages as a result of 93 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 6: the show. 94 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 2: It's unreal. 95 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: Did you always tell when you had the one that 96 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: just wanted to be on TV? And as soon as 97 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: they started talking, you think to yourself, well we've got 98 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: to love one here. 99 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: Off I got to show off. 100 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, And no matter which way it worked. 101 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 7: I mean, if they fell in love, it was pretty 102 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 7: good television. And if they hated each other's gus, it 103 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 7: was still pretty good television. 104 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 105 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 5: Great. 106 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: We talk now about the nasty under times or even 107 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: the obvious nasty stuff on reality dating shows now, But 108 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: occasionally they just didn't. 109 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: Get on, did they. 110 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: That's true, That is true. I reckon. 111 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 7: I reckon. About fifty percent of them became friends about them, 112 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 7: or thirty percent, you know, remained in contact, and about 113 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 7: ten percent absolutely disposed each other. 114 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 5: At least I was, as. 115 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: You say, clear, a little bit more polite. It was 116 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: just sort of an It was that awkward returning interview. 117 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: Do you have you had anyone come up to you 118 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: and say, oh, you know, my parents got together on 119 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 4: Perfect Match. 120 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 7: Here, I am absolutely absolutely, Lisa. They did a show 121 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 7: twenty years afterwards called was There any Romance and a 122 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 7: couple who lived in Humpty Do, just out of Darwin, Yes, 123 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 7: and they met on the show, and they had children, 124 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 7: and probably the kids were about fourteen and fifteen had 125 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 7: never seen Perfect Match, and so the producers of the 126 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 7: show went back to Humpty Do and put the tape 127 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 7: in the machine. And sat the kids on the couch 128 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 7: and said, this is the instant that your mother and 129 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 7: father first set eyes. 130 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 5: On each You go and wow, I don't having to 131 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 5: see that. 132 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it was bizarre. Hey, Greg, I know you 133 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: were a celebrant. Now might I've seen some footage of 134 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: a couple of weddings that you've done. You are the 135 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: best in the biz. But sometimes they like a bit 136 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: of the the show, a bit of the vibe from 137 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: the show, don't they. They like to intre well cerse 138 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: they do. 139 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 7: They asked me, you know, continue to bring Dexter and 140 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 7: I say, no, he's in a box in the museum. 141 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 7: I can't bring it. One couple actually made a replica. 142 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 7: They got a rubbish tin and a pretty good replica. 143 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 6: But look, these days with weddings, people just wanted to 144 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 6: be relaxed and they want to have a little bit. 145 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 5: Of fun and I think. 146 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 7: Most of all most important it needs to be entertaining 147 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 7: and having a boring wedding is it, you know? Yeah, 148 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 7: So that's what I try and do. 149 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 6: Bring a bit of entertainment, and it's all about the 150 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 6: bright and groom, of course, but naturally if the guests 151 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 6: can have a laugh and they enjoy it. It just sets 152 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 6: up the whole night, doesn't it. 153 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely Being a celebrate now and being the host of 154 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: Perfect Match, then you've been in the love business for 155 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: quite a while. Of course, some potential suitors on Perfect 156 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: Match had to ask some the others behind the screen questions. 157 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 4: What water a couple of questions that you would advise 158 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: as being the best to ask someone to get to 159 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: know them better and quickly on a date. 160 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 7: Ah, Kevin Bloody Wilson's got a song about that. 161 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 6: Yes, you do you smile on first date? You know, 162 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 6: by the way, because you know, because we're pers orientated. 163 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 6: There's been a fair bit of influence from me. I 164 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 6: was inspired by Lionel york many many years ago. 165 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: The marriage celebrant. 166 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 6: I had the pleasure of walking not my daughter, but 167 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 6: a young lady down the island. Yorkie was the celebrant 168 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 6: and I thought how absolutely fabulous he was. And then 169 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 6: about twenty years later I meet Kevin Bloody Wilson and 170 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 6: he asked me to marry Jenny Target, and so I 171 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 6: came over and we did it on Scarborough Beach at 172 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 6: Chef's House and it was keV said to me, maybe 173 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 6: you should do that, you. 174 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 7: Know, he said, people people, people that liked the guy 175 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 7: from Perfect Match to Man, and that's how it all started. 176 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 7: So I reckon that'd be the first question for a 177 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 7: smile on first day. 178 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: That's unrealized we're going to mention line because yeah, I'm 179 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: not sure we're still doing them now. But he he's 180 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: done a lot of weddings in this particularly in person 181 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: Will does. 182 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 5: He was immaculate. 183 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 6: He was immaculately dressed, and a lovely voice like you 184 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 6: Clericy had that radio voice, and he was very professional 185 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 6: and I was very impressed. 186 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: Inspired you sensational. Can you remember from the show itself 187 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: from Perfect Match, any times when you thought on the 188 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: wheels of falling off or something really funny happened and 189 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: you went, we're not expecting this, producers not expecting this. 190 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there was a couple. 191 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,119 Speaker 7: We brought them back and she was dressed like Madonna 192 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 7: when they came back and sat on the couch, and 193 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 7: she had a little little whip with her a little 194 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 7: like a joppy s whip. And anyway, when the post 195 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 7: interview came on, he had really tipped buckets on her 196 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 7: and said she was she was no. 197 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 5: Good, and so he grabbed she grabbed a little. 198 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 7: Whip and she bashed him across the chest and he 199 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 7: got up up off the couch and he ran to 200 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 7: the studio door and bolted in the car. 201 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 5: Gone home. We'll be right back after this break. 202 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: The Domtrix. 203 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 4: Did Dexter's Electronics evergo hay wire And he's spinning his 204 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 4: arms and wouldn't stop. 205 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, that happened to Lisa. That happened. The set was, 206 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 5: you know, a couple of steps up and one day 207 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 5: he fell off the steps. When he fell over, his 208 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: arms were going around. It was going and his battery 209 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 5: fell out and he was in all sorts. 210 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 7: I think there was actually the mouthpiece for a real computer. 211 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 7: Everyone was computer matched. I mean it was the infancy 212 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 7: of computers in those days. I think it was a 213 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 7: big IBM thing with you know, reel to reel tape bedroom. Yeah, 214 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 7: but all of their statistics were actually filled in and 215 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 7: the competibilit thing was match. It came back with anything 216 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 7: other than sixty nine. 217 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 5: I think perfect. 218 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: Match a lot more success than the experts on mass 219 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 4: that's for sure. 220 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 5: That's great. Maybe we should do a new show farm. 221 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: I wanted a robot Oh you're talking. What the next 222 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: time I thought about it through my. 223 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: Well, it seem absolutely lovely reminiscing about nineteen eighty four 224 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: with you today. 225 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's lovely that you're looking back at 226 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 5: the age. 227 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 6: Were just fantastic the music in the Yeah, isn't it unreal? 228 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 7: Yes, and just think back. 229 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 6: I mean aeroplane local, domestic aeroplanes had first class. 230 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: And yes, and it was around in the year, was 231 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: prob fantasy. There's a lot of money in the birthday. Yes, Greg, 232 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: lovely to talk to you. 233 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 5: Well, Claisey, lovely to see you and Lisa, just. 234 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 6: Beautiful to talk to you as well. Thanks for thanks 235 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 6: for taking me back and the memories of nineteen eighty four. 236 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. 237 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: We can play with that a bit of the same. 238 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: All the best, Greg, Thanks. 239 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 4: And takes it straight back to nineteen eighty four. You 240 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 4: know what so much happened in nineteen eighty four, I mean, 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 4: obviously perfect match launch, Bob Hawk was Prime Minister. You know, 242 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: Medicare came into effect. It was nineteen eighty four. On 243 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 4: the first of February, the one dollar coin was introduced 244 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 4: in Australia. 245 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 7: Wow. 246 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty four electronic scanners at the checkout. 247 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: Yes, were used for the very first time. 248 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: And do you want to know what the very first 249 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: product I wanted to be scanned in Australia on an 250 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: electronic scanner, A nine hundred. 251 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: And fifteen grand jar of Veggimar. Of course it was. 252 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: We haven't finished it yet too, Ndred. They're still going. 253 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: But that's realism. We should carry this on. 254 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: Look, as Greg was talking about there, the music was incredible, 255 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: that the music was incredible, movies were incredible. You think 256 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: about the Australian music scene with the likes of In 257 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: Excess and Midnight Oil and Ice House that we played earlier, 258 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: just were absolutely mental as anything, these massive bands and 259 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: many of them taking their music to the world as well. 260 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: Let's get back to nineteen to eighty four at the 261 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: same time tomorrow. 262 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I aint good idea. I like to stay all 263 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: right eighty four back it up with some nineteen eighty 264 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: four music. 265 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: I think we should. Yeah, forty years ago. Hard to believe, 266 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: isn't it, But it is time. Of course we're celebrating 267 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: this year. 268 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: We are. 269 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: Indeed, after our chat with Greg Evans from Perfect Match yesterday, 270 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: we're going back to nineteen eighty four again today because 271 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: it turns forty this year. 272 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: And this time our guest is the very one and 273 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: only John Burgess. Hello John, thanks for remembering. How can 274 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: we forget eighty four? Well quick year time. 275 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of things were going on in my 276 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 8: life in nine eighty four. 277 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: It's quite the time in Wa the eighties. 278 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 8: People of mass for you know, what was the what 279 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 8: was the best era that you sort of participated in? 280 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 8: And I've always said the sixties in Sydney which were outrageous, 281 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 8: but the eighties here in Perth were something now. 282 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: Especially when it hit front Lunch and Have LUNCHO. 283 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: Laurie Connell and Alastair Norwood. 284 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 8: There was Champagne consuming competition with Alan Bond and he 285 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 8: said his lovely wife as well at the Mediterranean Big awesome. 286 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 4: Well you had the number one radio show in Perth 287 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty four on six PM. Of course, what 288 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 4: do you think it was about your radio show that 289 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: made at number one in nineteen eighty four? 290 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 8: Well, the music probably had a lot to do with it. 291 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 8: You know, I've always tried. This is my fifty ninth year, 292 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 8: by the way, I'm startingly radio before both of you 293 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 8: were born. I guess with me, people see what they get, 294 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 8: you know, not only in radio but on television as well. 295 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 5: You know. 296 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 8: So I always tried to just be happy and bright. 297 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 8: I mean, they don't care if you don't feel well 298 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 8: or you get in here to go to. 299 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: Call the people. 300 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 8: I don't go, so why you know, so you've got 301 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 8: to be up there and Adam all as you guys 302 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 8: would know, you tell me, yeah to suck giggs here. 303 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 8: But it's it was just a great time to be 304 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 8: in radio, you know. Of course there wasn't as many 305 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 8: stations inty four in Perth as there was now. Of 306 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 8: course the competition wasn't quite as big, but you know 307 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 8: I used to enjoy some pretty good figures. 308 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: When the ratings came out, I hadtail mighty fine. 309 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: I used to listen to you when I was getting 310 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: ready for school to leave school, agreen with high school. 311 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: And I remember one morning we had like this. 312 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: There was a middle of winter Burjo's on the radio 313 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: on Better Music six pm, and I laughed so hard 314 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: at something you said. I broke my toe. I kicked 315 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: my toe on the John's making me laugh. Did I 316 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: get the bill? I've got it for you today. Yeah, 317 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: but it was the thing mate, You're very you're a 318 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: comforting voice, but you also had that giggle. You had 319 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: that ticky giggle that got us through on a rainy day. 320 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 8: We did some weird and wonderful things, you know, keep 321 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 8: people entertained, I hope. 322 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: And it seemed to work. Yeah, it seemed to work absolutely. 323 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 9: Yeah. 324 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 4: We've worked for decades since then. As you said during 325 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: to your what was it fifty ninth year nine, Johns 326 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: said quickly if you were okay, what's one of the 327 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: biggest changes you've seen over that time in radio? 328 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: Well? Where would I start? I mean, it. 329 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 8: Seems to me these days that I mean that I've 330 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 8: always believed that radio should be instantaneous and happened right there. 331 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 8: And then you know, when you talk to people, not 332 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 8: record stuff and play it back or take it from 333 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 8: somewhere else. And because people aren't interested in what's going 334 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 8: on somewhere else, they want to know what's happening here. 335 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: That's the biggest change I believe. 336 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, the local involvement and the spontaneity and whatever. Because 337 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 8: I love talking to people. You know, listeners call up 338 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 8: and say, you know, why did you play that? And 339 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 8: you said, well, because it was number one for three 340 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 8: hundred weeks or something, that's why. Okay then, but that's 341 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 8: kind of lost of coause you guys are keep you 342 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 8: the flag CLI like. 343 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean, what about the technology. 344 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, we all work, you know, chalk and tape, 345 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: you know, reel to reels. 346 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: And playing or carridges, records, things that would wipe on. 347 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: Did we watched it? I did all of that too. 348 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 8: I mean I admire you guys now because of the 349 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 8: computer age. 350 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how you work. 351 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 8: Because when I was on the radio, if I changed 352 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 8: my mind, yes, yeah, I thought, oh no, oh I. 353 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: Should do this. Yeah, I got to do it. Now. 354 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 8: You've got to click on the you know, look for 355 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 8: the little ar thing and click it on. 356 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: There you do it. 357 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 3: We find a way to break the rules. John, you 358 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 3: weren't just starting on six pm. You're also doing a 359 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 3: bit of this. 360 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: I do before. What a huge success Wheel of Fortune was. 361 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: I still hear people yell out top who knows what? 362 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 8: Yes, he was eighty four. I started Wheel of Fortune 363 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 8: to go over from Ernie Siglin. Oh yes, it was 364 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 8: on at three o'clock in the afternoon in those days, 365 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 8: they moved it to five o'clock, and then after about 366 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 8: three because it was so popular. After about three months 367 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 8: we moved to five point thirty and that's where it remained. 368 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 8: And there was nothing for us. To have a million 369 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 8: people watching at five thirty. 370 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: Five thirty is as good as you can get. Because 371 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 4: the news was on at six. You couldn't exactly, you know, 372 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 4: knock them off. So well, so did you have this? 373 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 4: Didn't you have a brutal schedule? We hopped on a 374 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 4: plane and flew somewhere in recorded shows. 375 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, I did breakfast Radio here in Perth, went home, 376 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 8: got gear together, flew to Adelaide where we recorded Will Award. 377 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 8: Got there about two thirty three o'clock in the afternoon, 378 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 8: started taping about seven o'clock that night, finish about midnight. 379 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: To five shows. 380 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 8: Yeah, get up Saturday morning after having a few drinks 381 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 8: with the crew on Friday nights. It was on Saturday morning, 382 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 8: get the plane back to Perth, get back here about 383 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 8: one o'clock in the afternoon. 384 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: So that was I did that for twelve years. 385 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, aby the time they brought the show to you 386 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: really and as well as. 387 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 8: I was I launched, I was Loto in Australia. Will 388 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 8: So I was flying to Melbourne on Tuesdays. I was 389 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 8: a lot of drawer. Do my show from Melbourne back 390 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 8: to Perth on Wednesday morning, fly back here on Wednesday 391 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 8: and then on Friday, flight to Adeladin to Wheel Fortune. 392 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: About everywhere you were, You were burgo everywhere before. 393 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 8: Seven had come up with an idea, I want you to 394 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 8: do something in Sydney on Thursday. So then I'd leave 395 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 8: home Tuesday morning for a bunch of shirts, get home 396 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 8: Saturday with the same bunch of shirts covered in TV 397 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 8: makeup and stuff. Yeah, get in to my wife and 398 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 8: say I need this again Tuesday. She finally said that 399 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 8: how long do you think this. 400 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: Is going to go? 401 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 8: Yes, that's where I decided to give up radio here 402 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 8: and to the Gold Coast and kept doing Will of 403 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 8: Fortune and they changed their mind about me. 404 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: And anyway, there's another story in nineteen eighty four. 405 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was quite the controversy actually, because people 406 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 4: were not happy when you left. 407 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 8: The show went from the number one to Channel seven. 408 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 8: Sad to loose the news never done leading yea. So 409 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 8: they got rid of me in June. In November they 410 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 8: offered me in my job back. Yeah, you go, and 411 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 8: I'd be talking to Gerry Packer this through. This time 412 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 8: it was paying me not to do anything. It's wet. 413 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 8: So then Channel seven off of them as job back, 414 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 8: and Packer said well we can't have you going back there. 415 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: So he made me another offer. Oh let them bitt. 416 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 8: It was fantastic and so I talked to my wife 417 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 8: and we decided to go forward rather than go back. 418 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 8: So so about two weeks after they had nothing for 419 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 8: me to do, they came came up with the idea 420 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 8: for catch Rows. Yeah, that's right, Rose ninety four to 421 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 8: two thousand and four or something. Yeah, so about what 422 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 8: for twenty something years at thirty on Austra television. 423 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, with no challenge. 424 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 4: I was both stints were long, so clearly something was working. 425 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: It was working. 426 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 427 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 3: We talked about nineteen eighty four on the Heyday here 428 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 3: in Perth and what was going on and the city's 429 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: changed a lot in that time. Can you tell me 430 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: you answer this question? What car were you driving when 431 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: you pull up to the Mediterranean? In fact, you worked 432 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: over the road in Rockaby Road in sum but what 433 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: you had a fancy car? Didn't you in the in 434 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: the eighties. Yeah, and a few in my life where 435 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: all my money went. Pausches and rolls. Rolls had rolls, yeah, 436 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: flowers yeah, yeah. 437 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: A park of rolls. The Mediterrane Friday Bloodshop. Well, I 438 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: didn't really drive there. It's across the road. So it's 439 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: got someone to drive me home from here. It was 440 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: very wise some of the memorable You've got someone to 441 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: drive you home. I like that. We just have to 442 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 2: get any I've got. 443 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 4: Who was one of the memorial memorable guests that you 444 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: interviewed in your radio days? 445 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 8: Oh gosh, well Elton John Rod Stewart, Awesome, there you go. 446 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 8: Well Roy Robison, Wow, I said, most of Royrobison's concerts 447 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 8: in Australia. 448 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: Really he became a good friend. 449 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 8: And one story is not not noted any four, but 450 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 8: was the last concert he did at the Opera House 451 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 8: in Sydney, which I hosted for him. 452 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: He was very quietly spoken. Got lovely guy, tragic life. Yes, absolutely, 453 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: and he. 454 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 8: Said John, he said, he said, we have some supper 455 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 8: after the show. I said, yeah, sure, not a problem. 456 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 8: He said, do you mind if I bring a guest? 457 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 8: Sort of he's hooked up, you know. Anyway, We're just 458 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 8: chatting away. Then he said, oh here's here's my friend. 459 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 8: Now turned around it was Neil Diamond. So I had 460 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 8: supper Sweetheart's Restaurant in King's Cross, Oh my gosh, with 461 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 8: Neil Diamond and Roy Orbison. And in those days we 462 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 8: didn't have phones and cameras. 463 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no proof. 464 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 8: A few people that press turned up and took a 465 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 8: few photos, which is in the story somewhere. But yeah, 466 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 8: so that was I mean, I was very lucky to 467 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 8: be able to do a lot of hosting work at 468 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 8: Sydney Stadium when I first started doing, which got my 469 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 8: face in front of people. 470 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I mean Peter Paul and. 471 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 8: Mary Herb, Albert, Natijuana Price, who small faces, j Proby, 472 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 8: Roy Orbison, the Rolling Stones. 473 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: All those guys still goes yeah yeah there on Instagram 474 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: he's still doing John. 475 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. I've got to write the book. 476 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes you do. 477 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: Need to write the book anyway, and I don't know, 478 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 4: maybe you want to save it for the book. 479 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: But how did you get your nickname? Baby John? 480 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 8: When I first started at two u W in Sydney 481 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 8: back in the nineteen sixty five, I was doing seven 482 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 8: or ten at night, and the guy in front of 483 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 8: me was Ward Austin, who was Ward Pelly Ward Pally Austin. Yeah, 484 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 8: biggest thing since sliced bread in Sydney at the time, 485 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 8: doing drive. And I followed him at seven o'clock and 486 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 8: he started saying the baby will be on next. So 487 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 8: I was the youngest of the radio station. And I 488 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 8: wasn't that young. I was twenty one or two or something. Anyway, 489 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 8: that's how it started. So he started saying the baby 490 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 8: will be on next and then been calling me baby John. 491 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: So there you go. 492 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: And where you were bowling ten pin bowling champion? Was 493 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: it Lawsy or Pally Austin? You taught out a bowl? 494 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 8: You get him some tips, John Lewis, it was it 495 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 8: was John Laws that got me interested in radio. Yeah, 496 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 8: so I used to blame yeahment like everybody fifty his fault. 497 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 2: This is going down at the moment. It's been our 498 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: pleasure story and many many more will be in the book. 499 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 4: You do have to, I mean really much a long 500 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 4: time time. 501 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 8: But because well, things that have been going on, yeah yeah, 502 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 8: outside of the business. 503 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: Stuff, yeah, put on the back boner. Life does happen 504 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: still here waking up on socials today. 505 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: We shared on socials on ninety six of them socials today. 506 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 3: But there was a photo of you that I found 507 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 3: that can go in the book from the day from 508 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: the eighties. He keeps everything, Jo, it's a publicity shop 509 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: from me. 510 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you keep there. You're signing that one for me. 511 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: It has been a pleasure to delve back to nineteen 512 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: eighty four with you. 513 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 8: Thanks John. Sorry, thanks ramble on a minute. Why we 514 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 8: asked you wish the memories flooding back. Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah, 515 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 8: thanks John, to see you mate. Thank you, Ian, I 516 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 8: really appreciate it. 517 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: Unless we've been immersing ourselves in the year nineteen eighty four. 518 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: This week we have because it turns forty forty, the 519 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 3: forty celebration of so many things, and we've been to 520 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: TV Land a couple of times, so we thought we'd 521 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: go to the World of Sport and a man our 522 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: guest today is an inaugural legend of Western Australian Football 523 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and inducted into the Coaches Section of 524 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: the Australian Football Hall of Fame in two thousand and three. 525 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: He was a Sandover Medalist here in Western Australia, playing 526 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: for South from Mandel as a teenager and coach Swan 527 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: Districts to their third straight Waffle Premiership in nineteen eighty four. 528 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 3: The Great John Todd joins us Toddy, good warning, good morning. 529 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 4: Good morning, how lovely to talk to you. Nineteen eighty four. 530 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: The Big Three Peter was September twenty two, nineteen eighty four. 531 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: What do you remember from that day? Job? 532 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 5: We're whining the clock back. 533 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: We are, indeed, we'll never forget for you. 534 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 5: Yeah. 535 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 10: I could tell a lot of lies and you wouldn't 536 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 10: know any difference. 537 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: We wouldn't make it up. 538 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I could make stories up 539 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 10: and as we go along. Yeah, eighty four eighty four, 540 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 10: long time ago. But that was our third one and 541 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 10: to be quite frank, other than the three that we 542 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 10: were able to win, I only had eight players left 543 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 10: in that third grand Fire who played in the three. 544 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 10: So it was a good effort by the guys in 545 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 10: eighty four to bit to be. 546 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 5: Able to hold up. 547 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: It was great you beat it Fremantle in that one. 548 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 2: I think you beat these free antling that third one. 549 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, we were there. They're pretty easy. 550 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: Happy with that. 551 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: H on the club rooms are best and doing those 552 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: three nights those three successive years, but especially naty four 553 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: must have been winning the third one that must have 554 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 3: gone off there. 555 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 11: Uh yeah, the first Look, the first one was the 556 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 11: one I can remember, mainly because we hadn't won a 557 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 11: premiership for nineteen years. 558 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 5: Yes, And and the. 559 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 10: Other was just so many people you just couldn't visit 560 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 10: another person in and also just to see go and 561 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 10: then cry and human so happy, and you know, that's 562 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 10: ever lasting memory for me. 563 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: Eighty four. Look, they're all happy, but I think they 564 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 5: took it for granted a bit. 565 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: Success. 566 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, they were in crying on in eighty four, 567 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 10: so I said, oh welcome. 568 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, John, you mentioned how few players you had from 569 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: that nineteen eighty three team in the nineteen eighty four team, 570 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 4: and as part of it was due to retirement, a 571 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: lot of it was due to people being pinched by 572 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: the VFL. Was that a real issue for the waftball 573 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 4: coaches at that time. 574 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 10: As it is, both not so many AFL players they 575 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 10: were just starting to move from Western Australia to the AFL. 576 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 10: That I had a group of young lads who were 577 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 10: coming through and they grabbed their opportunity and you know, 578 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 10: when you're young and enthusiastic, you just got nothing to 579 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 10: lose years go for it. 580 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 5: That's what they did. 581 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 10: I think as a matter of fact of my memory 582 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 10: serves me right. I think we kicked ten goals in 583 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 10: the first quarter. Man kick in the second quarter they 584 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 10: kick seven or eight, So at halftime there was only 585 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 10: a three goal difference. But it takes a lot of 586 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 10: energy to catch up when you're behind, as is Manna were, 587 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 10: so we knew that if we applied the pressure, we're 588 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 10: going to wilter at some stage, and that's what they did. Yeah, 589 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 10: I think I think we end up winning three or 590 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 10: four goals, which which which is enough? Don't embarrassed. 591 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: Like a freemantle a big day, John. 592 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: I think about that era of Swan District's footing, and 593 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: you had you know, Keith and Phil Knarkle, you had 594 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: big bad Ron Boucher and Graham Melrose came back from 595 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 3: the from the East and I think one of the 596 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: great leaders in stand wonder. You had some wonderful players 597 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: up there, Richard. 598 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 5: I did. 599 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 10: Yeah, in the earlier days, like going back a few 600 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 10: years prior to that, when I first went there. You know, 601 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 10: we had to change the culture. The culture wasn't great, 602 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 10: and I think my memory serves me right. We won 603 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 10: five games out of our first fifty, so it wasn't 604 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 10: a good record early. And John Cooper was the president. 605 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 10: He knew, he knew what we were trying to do, 606 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 10: and the players would always go to him, and I 607 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 10: always knew that they wouldn't get a hearing. Really, but 608 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 10: I think he's saying, I'll give you too clear and 609 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 10: just in case you lose when going out the gates. 610 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 4: Forty one thousand people attended that nineteen eighty four Grand 611 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 4: Final at sub Over, and that is a huge number. 612 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 4: I had a lot of shall we say, generations younger 613 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: than us. Just don't realize how all encompassing that waffle 614 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 4: was at that time. 615 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 10: It was fifty In eighty two, it was over fifty thousand. So, yeah, 616 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 10: the crowds were huge. When you look at the replays 617 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 10: of that era, Yeah, Grand Final you couldn't even know 618 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 10: the person into the ground, really, but the atmosphere was great, 619 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 10: and to be quite frank, I looked at a game 620 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 10: the other day. They're doing a documentary for the Archillays, 621 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 10: and they brought up the eighty two Grand Final and 622 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 10: looked to be quite frank The football was tough, was 623 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 10: free flowing, the umpires didn't sort of let the players 624 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 10: jump on each other and stop the game and just 625 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 10: glow up as they're doing at the moment. And it 626 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 10: was more more players that were playing their positions, which 627 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 10: good to see. And it was quite enjoyable. 628 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: No matter. 629 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 10: That's the first time I've seen that game since I retired. 630 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 7: Oh wow, all left. 631 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 10: But it was a bit of an eye out in 632 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 10: inform me because the tackling was straight and you know, 633 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 10: I just hope they keep the archives somewhere we lose 634 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 10: them totally. 635 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: Yes, and the game has changed lote and not a 636 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: lot of kicking backwards in defense back then, like they're 637 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: doing so many sports that the defensive way of holding 638 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: retaining possession as they do now. 639 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure the rules. I think they're going 640 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 5: to go. 641 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 10: Oh, I must has to register to gated Knight scull 642 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 10: understand the rules. 643 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: My memory is, oh sorry, go on. 644 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 10: John, Yeah, look, no one, it's a bit sad going 645 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 10: to the football. You don't see as much as what 646 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 10: you see on television, you know, And that's how the 647 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 10: game is gone because they run up and down the 648 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 10: ground now and you know, it's totally foreign to a 649 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 10: lot of oldies, me in particular. And it's the younger 650 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 10: generation and who are going to go up with this 651 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 10: game and they love it of course because that's what 652 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 10: they're seeing from day one. And if you can run, well, 653 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 10: you've got a chance. Yeah, it's more of a running 654 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 10: game than it's a physical game. To be quite very 655 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 10: physical because the players don't get much joy. And I'm 656 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 10: not sure what real holding the ball in the back. 657 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 10: I'm not sure where that rule went to. I think 658 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 10: it's going to heaven that one. It's going to be, yeah, 659 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 10: because they never pay pay those kicks and they're there. 660 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 5: All the time. And if they did, I feel that the. 661 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 10: Game would they opened up a little quicker of them 662 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 10: are jumping on each other and so. But still the 663 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 10: rules have changed. You're just the players. They've got to 664 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 10: adapt to it. But I feel for them later on 665 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 10: in mask because made the sport. You're going to come 666 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 10: out with some injury that's going to hinder your old age. 667 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: And we're learning more about that. 668 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's it's one of those things that you 669 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 10: know they train now extremely hard through the hot weather 670 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 10: that we had private Christmas, and they really some of 671 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 10: these young kids are only nine teen years of eight, 672 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 10: you know, a bit difficult for him to adjust out 673 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 10: of underage football going into you AFL. So yeah, that's 674 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 10: why a lot of them have injuries at the present moment. 675 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 10: And some of them have been drafted and played the 676 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 10: games age yet. Yeah, so I think they're going to 677 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 10: take here of some of the players in the early 678 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 10: part of pre season more so than later on. 679 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 4: You've had a couple of not so subtle digs at 680 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 4: East Fremantle. I dare say it might be because you've 681 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 4: played one hundred and thirty two games for South one 682 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 4: the Sandover Medal in your very first season as a 683 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 4: seventeen year old. 684 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 5: Amazing. Well, this gives me a chance to tell you, 685 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 5: tell you how good I was. 686 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: I do it, that's what you hear. Come on, we'll 687 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 2: hand you. 688 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 10: As a matter of fact, I played one reserves game. 689 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 10: I was sixteen years of age and the South fronkman 690 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 10: had called me out to play in the Grand Final 691 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 10: in nineteen the year before fifty four, and I had 692 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 10: a very ordinary day. I only kicked Sea with goals. 693 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 10: But that was the start of my career. Next year, 694 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 10: as a sixteen year old, I started to play senior footing. 695 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 5: And I was. 696 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 10: Lucky, unlucky for some but that record winning at at 697 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 10: that age sixty nine years ago and no one has 698 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 10: been able to take that off me at the moment nominal. 699 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 4: That is quite the thing for the archives, the family. 700 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: Yes, yourself, John, we're talking about an era with incredible 701 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 3: footballers and if we've been focusing on Adie built four 702 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 3: but I think about turning on the telly on a 703 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 3: Sunday after Saturday's games and seeing these great personalities John K. Watson, 704 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 3: Mel Brown, the Steve Marshah only lost a month or 705 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 3: so ago. Yourself, Gary Carvell will be posting it was 706 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 3: a great time in Yeah, great, there was the local 707 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: footy show, but a great time in w a foot, 708 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 3: wasn't it. All these big personalities h. 709 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 10: Great and that's what's lacking at the present moment. There's 710 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 10: no characters anymore. You're not allowed to be yourself. You know, 711 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 10: you can't express yourself on the field otherwise you know, you. 712 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 5: Get a penalty. 713 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 10: Going back in those it was like Boucher, Michael Moss, 714 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 10: you know, everyone used to talk about the class that 715 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 10: was coming after. Yeah, Basil Campbell, Morris. Really you know 716 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 10: it was when you go through that perod like there 717 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 10: was four teams who had some great talent, and that 718 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 10: was issue Man, Clearmont and Swan Districts and it was 719 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 10: the other one. 720 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 3: I think you're just. 721 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 10: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I have a memory blockout when 722 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 10: I in ninety eighty, you know, I felt we had 723 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 10: our best team. 724 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 5: And we didn't win. 725 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 10: You know, we got knocked out, knocked over by South 726 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 10: fur Mantles. And every time I go to the South Mantle, 727 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 10: you know, all those ninety and eighty players come up 728 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 10: to me and tell me how great they were, how 729 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 10: they beat this, And I think it's a lot of 730 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 10: them are still got on their phone. 731 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 5: So and Reba, oh. 732 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 10: Yeah, well you know I was fortunate enough to playing 733 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 10: seven grand fine and I lost one and that was 734 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 10: the South met And when the boys talk to me, 735 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 10: I said, look like I'd afford to give you one 736 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 10: in here. 737 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm not a mean man. John. 738 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, well, we could. 739 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 4: Talk to you all day, but afraid time does not 740 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 4: allow us to. But it has been absolutely a joy 741 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 4: to catch up with you and our delve back to 742 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four. Thank you so much for joining us, 743 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 4: Thanks for the memories, Thanks for all the footy memories. 744 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 10: It's great. It's great to have a chat and I 745 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 10: wish you well and have a great day. 746 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 2: Thanks John, John Todd. Can you believe football royaltysion? 747 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 3: We thought we'd keep the sports tream going today Lease 748 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 3: and he is a name for it. Seventy Test matches, 749 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 3: nine centuries, twenty two fifties. This man made in his 750 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 3: cricket career twelve seven hundred and eleven first class runs 751 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: and he was a proud West Dozy and of course 752 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: captain of the Australian cricket team. 753 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 2: Kim Hughes, good morning, good morning, Good. 754 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 7: Morning please, and good morning Lisa. Look I just had 755 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 7: a hilarious laugh with Susie, your producer. Yeah, yep, and 756 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 7: she was saying in twenty fifteen I came to their club, 757 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 7: lest Moody, who had been bottom of the run for 758 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 7: that many years, and they asked me what was a 759 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 7: bit of advice before before the finals and they just 760 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 7: get on the squirt on the piss. 761 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 2: Herberts. 762 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, and they've won eight of the last nine permissions. 763 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 4: Well, that's the way we did it in the eighties 764 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 4: cricket wasn't sponsored by Penston had just found nothing. 765 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 2: That's what I kim the answer. It was a different time. 766 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 7: Time, yes, and I've been there. Actually, tomorrow is going 767 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 7: to be one hundred and seventy nine weeks. 768 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 5: Off the grog I've ever done so yeah, so yes, that's. 769 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 2: Wild, one hundred and seventy nine. It's good on your mane. 770 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 2: I've just got to work on the list thirty boys. 771 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 12: Now I've stopped winning fremisships. The bar sales have gone 772 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 12: through the room. I've been under level with one of 773 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 12: the worst bits of advice of all time. I listened 774 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 12: to your interview with John Todds, and yesterday I was 775 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 12: ninety six point one. 776 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 7: Yes every morning because I wake up at three p thirty, 777 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 7: four o'clock four thirty and then I can't wait for 778 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 7: you guys to get on at five thirty. 779 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 5: So it's great to be on your show. 780 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 2: That's great to have you. Who did you have? Who 781 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 2: do you go for in the waffle? 782 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 7: Well, my father played for SUBI in the under sort 783 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 7: of in the water years, and I've always been a 784 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 7: lifelong support on bassador for SUBI and my hero was 785 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 7: Ostar Robertson Junior and always been, you know, a lifelong 786 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 7: supporter of Subiaco. 787 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 2: Myself. Are you Kim you play the y y's well? 788 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 5: I did? 789 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 7: I actually Ross Glyn Dinning's father angers was my coach 790 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 7: in the under eighteens and I won the best middle 791 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 7: best player in Clemont District and I got a thousand 792 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 7: dollar scholarship from Dennis McInerney, and I bought I bought 793 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 7: a blue Hillman super Minx with. 794 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 2: Pop out in the car to stop showing off. 795 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 10: The rolls rights. 796 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 5: But at least it was the four wheels that I 797 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 5: could get. 798 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 7: Through gray Lands. That's gray Lands teacher's training, lots of 799 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 7: great memory. 800 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 2: Four was a great keyear for cars. I had a 801 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 2: dat's in one twenty wife Where's She's fantastic? 802 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 5: But I know I know nothing about cars. One day 803 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 5: I rang up the Ira C because I had a 804 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 5: flat tire and where the spear was. So he came unscrewed, 805 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 5: Oh you're idiot. You ever Captain Australia. 806 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: And Captain Australia did mate, but it wasn't always it 807 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 3: didn't always come up roses, but. 808 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 2: Yes, you forty way through those twenty eight tests and you. 809 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 7: May, yes, look, you know, I remember I got to 810 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 7: know Alan Jeans very well through a great business partner 811 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 7: and make him Ken Judge's no longer enforcunate with us, 812 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 7: and Alan Jeans had a great saying and he said, 813 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 7: I don't expect you to like me, but I do 814 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 7: expect you to respect the position I hold, and that 815 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 7: were some of the part they didn't do that. You know, 816 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 7: it's being Australian quicker. Captain is not a position where 817 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 7: you lobby as against politicians. You just appointed the captain 818 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 7: and off you go. So yeah, it wasn't as enjoyable 819 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 7: time as it could have been. But you know, I've 820 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 7: seen some people with chips on their shoulder growing the 821 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 7: carry trees and I wanted to sort of pull a 822 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 7: sort of a curtain across that. Otherwise it just needs 823 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 7: away at you. And I've often said to people that 824 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 7: if I had, you know, a party, and I was 825 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 7: going to invite six or seven mates, I didn't bite 826 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 7: Dennisley and Rod marsh is no longer with this unfortunate 827 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 7: league because I really liked them. But they were some 828 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 7: tough times we played the West Indies Regular League. My 829 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 7: last i know nine or ten Test matches were against them, 830 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 7: but still had some great memories. 831 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 2: Great, yeah, absolutely, well, I mean it was a very 832 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 2: very interesting time in cricket. It was the late seventies 833 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,959 Speaker 2: Carry Packers World Series. 834 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 4: Cricket divided the Aussie team in two camps, those who 835 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 4: signed with Packer and those like you who remained with 836 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 4: the Australian Cricket Board. 837 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 2: Were there any regrets about. 838 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 10: Lisa. 839 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,439 Speaker 5: I was only twenty three going on fifteen our first 840 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 5: day death match. Well I'm now seventy and still going 841 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 5: on for Queen Nai Ni. But I made a good 842 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 5: looking one, you know. 843 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 7: My own game that'll be over. And you know, I 844 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 7: was sort of asked if one or two bokes was 845 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 7: I interested? And I've never played sport because of money, 846 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 7: and I think for those youngsters out there, if you do, 847 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,959 Speaker 7: you're not going to cut the mustard. And I thought 848 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 7: I could never go home to my mum and dad 849 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 7: and say, look, I'm going to go there because the 850 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 7: money is good. They said, well, look we didn't bring 851 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 7: you up like that. And I also did things that 852 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 7: with all the best players gone, I was a fair 853 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 7: chance to get a game. You know, there was traumatic times, 854 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 7: but look, I'm glad they happened because Australian critic has 855 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 7: got paid absolutely jack at the World Series cricket amount 856 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 7: of money now that's coming in, which is just millions 857 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,280 Speaker 7: and millions, and some people would think it's some scene, 858 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 7: but it was a good thing that happened. But particularly 859 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 7: Australia was a greatly because so many of our really 860 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 7: very very great players went to World Series. And you 861 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 7: don't need a team of youngsters and you don't need 862 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,760 Speaker 7: a team of geriatrics. You need a mix up because 863 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 7: when it gets difficult, that's when the more experienced people 864 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 7: step up and they say getting behind me and off 865 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 7: you go, and that's where you loom. It was some 866 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,720 Speaker 7: tough times. 867 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 2: It was so important, isn't it In any sport, well, in. 868 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 7: Any sport, in any business, you need a mixture of both. 869 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 7: Experiences are enthusiastic and optimistic, and then you need the 870 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 7: older ones there just giving them their wisdom. And I 871 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 7: think that's part of learning, listening and watching those that 872 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 7: you'd like what you'd like to do, who are doing 873 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 7: it very very well. 874 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 2: Well. 875 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 3: Can you imagine the experience like January nineteen eighty four 876 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 3: was an interesting time because you had Rod Marsha and 877 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 3: Dennis Lily and Greg Chapel all retire at the same 878 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 3: time of a Test match. That was it was a bizazah. 879 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 3: That's a lot of experience on telling well to. 880 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 7: Go one go, Yeah, the same thing's going to happen 881 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 7: in a year or two when you've got you know, 882 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 7: the average age of the Australian cricket side of the 883 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 7: moment is be thirty one or thirty two. So and 884 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 7: what you know is four or five of your blokes 885 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 7: retiring at the same time and then all of a 886 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 7: suddenly you've got to bring in four or five youngsters. 887 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,280 Speaker 7: You need a gradual if you're you know, not culling, 888 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 7: but the sort of one goes here and then someone 889 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 7: else comes in and around another one goes rather than 890 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,439 Speaker 7: all at the one time. 891 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 5: Guys. 892 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 12: Yeah. 893 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 4: Now, you did famously lead the rebel team to South 894 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 4: Africa at the height of the A Part eight boycotts. 895 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 4: This was this was very controversial at the time. What 896 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 4: was that experience was that did you get more than 897 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 4: your margain four? We were you surprised at just how 898 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 4: controversial that whole situation became well. 899 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 7: I had resigned the captaincy. I just met my great 900 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 7: and late coach Frank Parry, the father of Jeff Parry, 901 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 7: who drives me crazy with it's not too other same, 902 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 7: you know. And I'd said no to South Africa a 903 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 7: couple of times because I was only thirty one. And 904 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 7: I remember going up into my study when I lived 905 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 7: in City Beach and thought to myself, well, I'm going 906 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 7: to spend the winter going to Pilate's or aerobics or 907 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 7: doing something, you know, because I still felt that I 908 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 7: was still young enough. But then anyway, what happened was 909 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 7: there was a tour, so I'm going to go to 910 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 7: England under Allen Border and all of a sudden, I 911 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 7: think it was Kerry Packer said Antony Grigg, well, who 912 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 7: do we need out of the South African tourists to 913 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 7: come back and play for Australia. And I think it 914 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,760 Speaker 7: was Graham Wooden and two or three or four others 915 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 7: who were coming back, and we weren't going to lose 916 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 7: any of the money that they were going to get 917 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,839 Speaker 7: by going to South Africa, which was five six, seven, 918 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 7: eight times more than what the players were going to 919 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 7: get to England. And I rang up Allan Border and 920 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 7: also Jeff Laws. I said, well, you can't add these 921 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,800 Speaker 7: blokes back in your side. They were going to go 922 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 7: somewhere else, you know, And they voted unanimously not to 923 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 7: have them back in the team. I guess what Cricket 924 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 7: Australia did or Cricket Board. They said no, no, no, 925 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 7: we need them back. So I thought to myself, well, 926 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 7: if that's what you think of the baggy green cricket trader, 927 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 7: you can stick it up your nostril. 928 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 5: So I then signed on. I was the second last 929 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,760 Speaker 5: player to go to South Africa. 930 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 7: I was captain and I'm so pleased I did because 931 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 7: you know, I'm a great believer and have said this 932 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 7: to so many people. There are two things that stuff 933 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 7: the world done. One is politics and the other's religion. 934 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 7: We're not only going to turn on the television these days, 935 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 7: but there are two things that do unite the world, 936 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 7: and one is music and the other is sport. Because 937 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 7: you can watch a Nadia Commenech on a six in 938 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,879 Speaker 7: Spem in the old days and you're thinking, wow, isn't 939 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 7: that just unbelievable rather than thinking oh, well she's a 940 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,399 Speaker 7: this or that or whatever. Happens to be, so I'm 941 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 7: a great believer. We kept cricket going in South Africa 942 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 7: and they've come back into the fold. And I then 943 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 7: captain Natal for two or three years as well, and 944 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 7: it's one of the great experiences in my life. And 945 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 7: I'm so pleased that I did it. 946 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 2: Unreal mate. 947 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 3: I remember watching you on the Italian Adelaide making a 948 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 3: double sentry. I think you ended up were two thirteen 949 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,720 Speaker 3: there that's playing against India and it was a double celebration. 950 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 3: Did you get one hundred for each of your kiddies 951 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 3: that were the babies that were born back here at home? 952 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,359 Speaker 5: Well made? 953 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 7: It's unbelievable how women let you down. What it's my 954 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 7: wife had had triplet so I'd still be better now, 955 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,760 Speaker 7: Yes we did. We had two joys in Simon and Sean. 956 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,280 Speaker 7: They're now forty three. Although the other day I'm speaking 957 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,360 Speaker 7: to them and one of them said, Jerry, what do 958 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 7: you want? I said, how come you call me Jerry? 959 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 7: He said, you're Jerry. 960 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 5: Metric lovely and I've got check for change. 961 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 7: To them, I said, well, I don't get scammed. What 962 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,920 Speaker 7: you use books are smarter. And then we had a 963 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 7: little Bradley, who I call Ginger. He's got strawberry hair. 964 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 7: I know you're not allowed to say it. For loneold 965 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 7: it's never changed. And the Ginger calls me fossil on 966 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 7: that old, the Gins and the fossil. Three boys under 967 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 7: three and at times there and you didn't appreciate how 968 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 7: hard your wife partner worked in those days because you 969 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 7: couldn't afford a babysitter or you know, some of the 970 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 7: clean house, or which I can afford to buy a 971 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 7: new house every. 972 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 5: Year sort of thing. 973 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 7: And I thought, well, these three just they were busy boys. 974 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 7: I thought, geez, I've got to get out of here. 975 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 7: Even touring pakistanis looking for the excited. 976 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 2: This point on the globe. 977 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 4: Let me spin it, kidd, hasn't been with your your 978 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 4: lovely wife since you were fourteen years old, the pair 979 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 4: of you, haven't you. 980 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a beautiful story. 981 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 7: Well you know it was love at first. 982 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 5: I can star. I could take them back to the 983 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 5: City Beach Senior High School and know. 984 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 7: Exactly where she was. And my father used to say, 985 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 7: she looks she's not the only fish in the sea. 986 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 7: And then look, I've got a long story short. My 987 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 7: drinking got to a stage where Jenny had said she'd 988 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,400 Speaker 7: had enough so she left. And that was five or 989 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 7: six years ago, I suppose. 990 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 5: And you know I was drinking and going down the 991 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 5: wrong path and then I remember a great mate, Wayne 992 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,879 Speaker 5: Clark and a fellow called Richard mand Nass. They said, look, 993 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 5: can we need to have a chat to you. Let 994 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 5: it be at a coffee shop in Leada Ball and 995 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,320 Speaker 5: the ginge came along. 996 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 7: He's a trainee. Certainly doesn't get it from his father 997 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 7: because I couldn't body put a door knob on. But anyway, 998 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 7: so anyway, I see the gym's coming through and he's 999 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 7: training here and I'm thinking this is a couple of 1000 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 7: positions too, if. 1001 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:28,280 Speaker 5: For the ginger. 1002 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 7: So I said, Ginger, who are you here to see you? 1003 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 7: And he said I'm here to see you and I said, 1004 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,399 Speaker 7: oh okay, so down well he said, Dad, he said, 1005 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,959 Speaker 7: you go five to morm In England club over the limit, 1006 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 7: you drive home pissed. You could injure someone kill someone. 1007 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 7: Other words, you're a dickhead. And that's exactly what he said. 1008 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 7: Do something about it. And old still sometimes you need 1009 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 7: that sort of a talk. And I went into Abbotsford 1010 00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 7: rehab for a couple of weeks. And look, there were 1011 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 7: a lot of youngsters there, particularly young girls who had 1012 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 7: drug challenges, and you had two or three discussions every day. 1013 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,560 Speaker 7: And it's a bit fluffy, you know, skirts around the issues. 1014 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 5: But the great thing that. 1015 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,279 Speaker 7: Richmond Foundation of MH connect mental health. They got a 1016 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 7: guy called Gary Anderson, a nurse who came out and 1017 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 7: just sat down with me in my apartment in Seaview 1018 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 7: for about a six month proud over every two or 1019 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 7: three weeks for an hour or two and really got 1020 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 7: into the nitty gritty. And at the end of that 1021 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 7: we both said, look, I'm right, I don't need. 1022 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 2: It, you know, and you know, none at the expense 1023 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 2: of what you had. 1024 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 5: No, that's right. 1025 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,799 Speaker 7: And you know, and for the people listening out there, 1026 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 7: they want to lose weight or change whatever, it's a 1027 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,920 Speaker 7: bit like you know, trying to score one hundred that's 1028 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 7: four hours away. For someone in my want to lose 1029 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 7: ten kilos or whatever, that could be six months away. 1030 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 7: And I can remember, guys, I wanted to give up 1031 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 7: a drink when I was early thirties and I said 1032 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 7: to the cricket mates, I'm going to give the drink 1033 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,879 Speaker 7: of oh Hughsy you know, come on now, mate, who 1034 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,879 Speaker 7: you're kidding? Anyway, I did for a period of time 1035 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden something happened and you know, 1036 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 7: whether it's financial issues or relationship issues, anyway, something happened. 1037 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 5: I got back on it. I guess what my mate said, 1038 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 5: We gotcha. Yeah. 1039 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 7: You know Australians love you get a hit. 1040 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 5: Yeah. And that's what I've done is just to go 1041 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 5: week by week. And I am very old fashioned. 1042 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 7: I've got an a four diary. 1043 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,880 Speaker 5: Down and this Friday write down. 1044 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 7: The one hundred and seventy nine weeks. And there's a 1045 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,400 Speaker 7: great saying that goes, you cannot consistently perform in a 1046 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 7: manner that is inconsistent with how you perceive yourself. And 1047 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 7: when I look at that school board, I'm a winner. 1048 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 7: And guess what behavior you bring? So every week, you know, 1049 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,920 Speaker 7: it's just out of breach. 1050 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,840 Speaker 5: Not out of sight. And I've been in a fantastic 1051 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 5: relationship with a lovely lady called Beryl, you know, for 1052 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 5: the last three and al four years, nearly. 1053 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 7: She's only twenty one, no sorry. 1054 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 5: She's younger than me. But we laugh a lot and 1055 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 5: get along very very well. 1056 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 7: But I do you know, you look back and yeah, 1057 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 7: there's things you think, but at least I did something 1058 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,440 Speaker 7: about Otherwise, Yes, yeah, I would have ended up in 1059 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 7: the bloody gutter and something would have brought past and 1060 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 7: put off. 1061 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 5: Have a look at that, loser. 1062 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:53,360 Speaker 13: By the great to talk to you today as we 1063 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,160 Speaker 13: continue our celebration of eighty four, which turns. 1064 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 2: Forty this year. 1065 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 3: Years you can't get it by my cricket tragic all 1066 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 3: my life and I'm fifty fifty eight and have you 1067 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 3: say that you listen to us in the morning. 1068 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,919 Speaker 2: I feel very I feel very honest. 1069 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 5: And the other thing is that I was born in 1070 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 5: nineteen fifty four in Australia Day. 1071 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rights. 1072 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 5: Why, that is why I say we have Australia Day. 1073 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 5: If you don't like it, live somewhere, don't bother, don't 1074 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 5: change my day. John Good to catch up with question 1075 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 5: you guy. 1076 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 2: Today? 1077 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 4: What can we say about this man? He was really 1078 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 4: in the thick of things in nineteen eighty four? Who 1079 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:56,040 Speaker 4: can forget this? Let's got the arms going from creator, 1080 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 4: producer and host of Young Talent Time from nineteen seventy 1081 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:04,240 Speaker 4: one to nineteen eighty eight, also a singer, songwriter and 1082 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 4: record producer, mister Johnny Young, how. 1083 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 14: Nice, Resian and Lisa. It's a real honor to speak 1084 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 14: to you, guys. I listened to ninety six. 1085 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:18,600 Speaker 5: All the time. 1086 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 4: Well, it is a real honor to have you with us. 1087 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty four right, sort of smack bang in the 1088 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 4: heyday of Young Talent time. No one missed it. We 1089 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,200 Speaker 4: all watched it. 1090 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,400 Speaker 2: Listen. I mean, let me just run off a couple 1091 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 2: of the names. 1092 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,960 Speaker 4: Deborah Byrne, Jamie Redfern, Karen Knowles, Tina Arena, and Danny 1093 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 4: Minoague just a few of the people who went on 1094 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 4: to do big things. Were you, Johnny, Were you involved 1095 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 4: in all of the castings? 1096 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,760 Speaker 7: Oh? Yes, I was. 1097 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:48,919 Speaker 5: Well. 1098 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 14: I had producers who found people for me to look at. Yeah, 1099 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 14: if they were well, because I was looking for a 1100 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 14: variet your kids. 1101 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,080 Speaker 5: You know, we had Tina. 1102 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 14: Arena, but we also had Karen Knowles, who were totally 1103 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:16,240 Speaker 14: different people. You know, they were different personalities, And I 1104 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 14: think that was the charm of Young Talent Shime was 1105 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,520 Speaker 14: that it was It wasn't. 1106 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 5: A kid show. It was a family show. 1107 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 14: Yes, And you know, eighty four television was wonderful in Australia. Yeah, 1108 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,720 Speaker 14: we used to you know, sit down with the family 1109 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,880 Speaker 14: and watch shows and you know it was Don Lane 1110 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 14: and all fantastic programs which we don't have today. 1111 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 5: You know. 1112 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were so invested in these people, you know, 1113 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 4: I mean we used to talk about Tiny tea Arena 1114 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 4: like she was, you know, an extended member of all 1115 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,120 Speaker 4: our family. Was I know my grandmother did I think 1116 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 4: she wanted to swap me for We loved her times. 1117 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,760 Speaker 5: That was the thing. It was the kids who loved 1118 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,520 Speaker 5: the show, but it was also. 1119 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 14: The grandparents loved it, yeah, absolutely, which was wonderful. And Tina, 1120 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,439 Speaker 14: you know, was with me when she was a nine 1121 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,160 Speaker 14: year old through to when she was sixteen, because you know, 1122 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 14: when you turned seventeen, it was the end for the 1123 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 14: young that's right. It was, you know, a wonderful time 1124 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:34,040 Speaker 14: and our ratings were huge and the eighties were it 1125 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 14: was a Young Talent time decades. It was wonderful, it was, 1126 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 14: and of course for me too, you know, it was 1127 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,400 Speaker 14: for me because you know, my kids used to come 1128 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 14: out to Young Talent Time to spend the day with 1129 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 14: the with the team, and you know, it was it 1130 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,120 Speaker 14: was complimentary to my own personal lives. 1131 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was years. 1132 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,120 Speaker 3: This was decades before a straight and idol and the 1133 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,640 Speaker 3: Voice and the talent shows and all that. 1134 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 2: So you were a groundbreaking you must make you really proudly. 1135 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 14: Oh it does. 1136 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,880 Speaker 5: Look I'm the luckiest kidding the block. Guys. 1137 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,080 Speaker 14: You know, I had a wonderful career because you know, 1138 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 14: as fab it offers a rock and roller. You know, 1139 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 14: I set back in Peril and all those hits in 1140 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 14: the sixties, but then I had a few years of songwriting, 1141 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 14: writing the Real Thing and the Girl that I Love 1142 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 14: and smiling for Ronnie Burns, and you know, it was 1143 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 14: a wonderful part of my career in all aspects of entertainment. 1144 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 14: You know, it was wonderful, John. 1145 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,760 Speaker 4: The thing about Young Talent Time, This is why your 1146 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 4: grandparents loved it more than anyone is all the kids 1147 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 4: on it. They was presented themselves as delightful, polite young people. 1148 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 4: But did you ever have any moments where you had 1149 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,760 Speaker 4: to go backstation and say, listen, you'd love a little 1150 01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 4: rabble rouser, a little brats, you know what. 1151 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,200 Speaker 5: You would think that, wouldn't you? But it was. 1152 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 14: Well, their parents used to come and sit in the 1153 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 14: green room. Yeah, and you know, they were disciplined because 1154 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,640 Speaker 14: like Karen Noles and several other members of the team 1155 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,520 Speaker 14: were prefects of their school. You know, they were very 1156 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,760 Speaker 14: clever young people, and they approached Young Talent Time very professionally. 1157 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 14: They were they were you know, it wasn't just something 1158 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,480 Speaker 14: that they did on the side. 1159 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,640 Speaker 5: It was career. 1160 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,439 Speaker 4: Absolutely. How did the balance the school thing and they're 1161 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 4: doing this gig thing? Did they did they go to 1162 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:45,440 Speaker 4: regular school? 1163 01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 15: Lor? 1164 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,480 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, they went to the regular school and they 1165 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,520 Speaker 5: concentrated on it too, because you know, we had rehearsals 1166 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,560 Speaker 5: for a couple of hours several days a week. Yes, 1167 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,440 Speaker 5: from that they lived a normal life. They had to 1168 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 5: concentrate on their school and a lot of them used 1169 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 5: to study at the studio. Absolutely, and but look, you know, 1170 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,080 Speaker 5: we had the fiftieth anniversary of Young Talent Time a 1171 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 5: couple of years ago, and the kids all came on. 1172 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,439 Speaker 5: We did a special for Channel teams and they all 1173 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,760 Speaker 5: said they had a wonderful time. You know, it was 1174 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:40,440 Speaker 5: it was very It was like a university course really, 1175 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, they learned. 1176 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 14: About the television you know, and production, choreography, vocals. You know, 1177 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 14: they they had a fantastic opportunity to learn, and they 1178 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 14: did well look at them, you knowbsolutely. 1179 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 4: They and I mean, you know, I keep having back 1180 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,080 Speaker 4: to tiny tena arena. But I am a pat She's 1181 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,480 Speaker 4: still one of the most delightful representations of this country, 1182 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:10,840 Speaker 4: isn't she. 1183 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:12,400 Speaker 5: She is. 1184 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:17,040 Speaker 14: And she's a dear friend. Yeah, you know, we're very close. 1185 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 14: And whenever she comes to birth, yeah, you know, I 1186 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,160 Speaker 14: go and see her. And she she loved her young talentine. 1187 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was lot serving Yeah, oh yeah. 1188 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:29,720 Speaker 5: She loved that. 1189 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 14: And you know it was competitive too, because you know 1190 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 14: there were were people had their favorites, you know, yeah, 1191 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 14: and Tina was was hugely popular, but she also had, 1192 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 14: you know, people who didn't like that, which was, you know, 1193 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,800 Speaker 14: a very interesting aspect of business that are young. 1194 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,160 Speaker 2: It's not social media. It's tough for a fourteen year 1195 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:01,240 Speaker 2: old exactly. I didn't want to do it, yeah, John, Yeah, 1196 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,320 Speaker 2: and you know some of. 1197 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,880 Speaker 5: Them used to get a bit of you know, the nastiness. 1198 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:13,600 Speaker 5: It's jealousy and stuff like that. Yeah, there's the realities 1199 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,840 Speaker 5: of life. You know. You you have to learn to 1200 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,160 Speaker 5: deal with that sor. 1201 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 3: The jealousy and tool poppy man, I want to talk 1202 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,680 Speaker 3: about some of the accolades that we start on you 1203 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 3: in the Area Hall of Fame. Now, at least when 1204 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,160 Speaker 3: I spoke to Russell Morris and you talked to you 1205 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 3: brushed over that classic hit that you write, the real. 1206 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 2: Thing, the produced by Molly Milton and all of that, 1207 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 2: you know. 1208 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 3: But we spoke to Russell Morris about his Area Hall 1209 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 3: of Fame induction and he was He said that was 1210 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,640 Speaker 3: the thing that was a kick in the pants for 1211 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,600 Speaker 3: him to go. I'm not old and he can't in 1212 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 3: anyways now one of the most respecting a lot of 1213 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 3: bluesmen in the country. How did you feel when you 1214 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,720 Speaker 3: were inducted into the Area Hall of Fame in twenty ten. 1215 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,760 Speaker 14: Well, you know, I've had a lot of complementary stuff 1216 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,439 Speaker 14: happened to me become very proud of. So there wasn't 1217 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,800 Speaker 14: just the Area Award, but I was also of Logi winner. 1218 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,600 Speaker 14: I was in the Logi Hall of Fame and the 1219 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 14: Songwriting Hall of Fame, you know where, which it sounds 1220 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,080 Speaker 14: as if I'm bragging, but it's not. It's a wonderful 1221 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 14: thrill to receive that sort of stuff. But you know, 1222 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,000 Speaker 14: the main thing for me, you know, believe it or 1223 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,920 Speaker 14: not is when I'm walking down the street and or 1224 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,560 Speaker 14: usually people picked me from my voice, they recognize my voice. 1225 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,040 Speaker 14: But when when when they say, oh, Johnny Young, I 1226 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,200 Speaker 14: just love young talent on you know, the affection that 1227 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 14: the program has and because it Johnny and the Kids, 1228 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 14: you know, it was very user friendly, and you know 1229 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 14: I was I'm still flattered, you know when people remember it, 1230 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 14: remember the show, Remember Johnny and the Kids. Do you 1231 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 14: ever see the kids? Yeah, well I do, you know, 1232 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:09,800 Speaker 14: but most of them are professionals, like the musical director, 1233 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:17,719 Speaker 14: you know, who directed musically directed, imp and all that stuff. 1234 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 14: Several of the girls went on to work in production, 1235 01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 14: you know, and and learned those skills. And of course, 1236 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,960 Speaker 14: you know a lot of them. Johnny Bowles, you know, 1237 01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,240 Speaker 14: he's a fantastic performer. You know, he works in London 1238 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:42,639 Speaker 14: in the West End, and you know he's terrific. Vince 1239 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,960 Speaker 14: Deltito is has his own music publishing company. You know, 1240 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:55,880 Speaker 14: all of them, all of them have really grown as people. 1241 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 5: Young. You know, we had a few, we had a 1242 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:07,720 Speaker 5: few problems, you know, we were you know, burn wasn't easy. Yeah, 1243 01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,320 Speaker 5: but it was a remarkable talent. 1244 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:15,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she still is, still is challenges. 1245 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 4: I saw Devin Sunset Boulevard. She was incredible perform incredible. 1246 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and you know she's sixty six. Yeah, you know, 1247 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,000 Speaker 5: there's little kids. 1248 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,719 Speaker 4: It's a lot of people to have had an amazing 1249 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 4: influence in how they have gone on, you know, whether 1250 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 4: it has been on the stage or in front of 1251 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,760 Speaker 4: the camera or in the various you know ways they've 1252 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 4: applied it behind the scenes. 1253 01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,519 Speaker 2: To have had an influence in their lives. Johnny, it 1254 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 2: must make you so proud. 1255 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,760 Speaker 4: And the fact that I don't think anyone of our 1256 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:52,040 Speaker 4: vintage can hear all my love and without immediately being 1257 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:57,960 Speaker 4: cast back Saturday night, Sunday night, whichever an idea were 1258 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,720 Speaker 4: watching on and see and you all swaying there in 1259 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,880 Speaker 4: our minds, you know it was. 1260 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,160 Speaker 14: It was a huge hit for the Beatles, yes, and 1261 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,840 Speaker 14: you know, I've always been jealous of the fact that 1262 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,920 Speaker 14: Paul McCartney got all. 1263 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 10: The royal. 1264 01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,200 Speaker 2: And you probably saying it more time. 1265 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,680 Speaker 14: All the time, but you know, it was a wonderful 1266 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 14: era at the eighties. It was the television radio, you know, 1267 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:36,160 Speaker 14: it was was far more user friendly, and you know, 1268 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,960 Speaker 14: I'm proud to have been a part of the entertainment business, 1269 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,880 Speaker 14: not not just through young talent time. But you know, 1270 01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,400 Speaker 14: I'm proud of Russell Morris and I wrote three songs 1271 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,200 Speaker 14: for him and he's doing the real. 1272 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:57,120 Speaker 5: Thing tour now with a well stand and the fantastic show. 1273 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,400 Speaker 2: And I'm we're just very flast year. 1274 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:00,639 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1275 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,479 Speaker 3: It came on telephone last year. John Cheezy was amazing. Yeah, 1276 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,880 Speaker 3: great talent, oh incredible, And. 1277 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,400 Speaker 5: He's wonderful guitarist, wonderful musician. 1278 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,360 Speaker 14: Yeah, and you know, very dedicated to his prist and 1279 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,800 Speaker 14: you know he is English seventies as well, but you 1280 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:17,880 Speaker 14: still got wrong. 1281 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you seven, you know, you can't keep the 1282 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 2: eighties down. 1283 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,880 Speaker 4: It has been a pleasure having you join us in 1284 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,840 Speaker 4: celebrating nineteen eighty four's fortieth birthday with us. 1285 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,080 Speaker 14: Thanks for your time, definitely, Thanks Clarsie, Thanks Lisa, Thanks 1286 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 14: ninety six. 1287 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 2: Yay, thank you. 1288 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,719 Speaker 8: That's joy wonderful to reminisce Bye more Clezi, more Lisa 1289 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,920 Speaker 8: more podcasts soon. 1290 01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,760 Speaker 3: We are going back to the year nineteen eighty four 1291 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,760 Speaker 3: Lisa once again today and we've just heard Mondo Rock. 1292 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,479 Speaker 2: We were trying not to give it away, but I 1293 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,280 Speaker 2: think we have we have now we have that it's 1294 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:00,880 Speaker 2: like every we we've made it that far. 1295 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,840 Speaker 3: Such an intriguing and incredible week we had last week, 1296 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,040 Speaker 3: and we thought we'd get another star from nineteen eighty 1297 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 3: four on the line who's still a start of this day, 1298 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,080 Speaker 3: from his time with Daddy Coole to producing those early 1299 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,840 Speaker 3: Skyhawks albums to Mondo Rock, who were on a high 1300 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,200 Speaker 3: with their Modern Bop album in eighty four, and the 1301 01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,840 Speaker 3: song Come Said the Boy was a huge Australian hit, 1302 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 3: Ross the Boss, Ross Wilson, good morning. 1303 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,000 Speaker 2: I don't remember it, Oh forget. 1304 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 4: We're remembering eighty four because it turns forty this year. Ross, 1305 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,479 Speaker 4: And of course it is just one of the greatest 1306 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,840 Speaker 4: years in Australian music. We thinks it comes to the Boy. 1307 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,759 Speaker 4: It was huge in eighty four when Eric McCusker wrote 1308 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:39,200 Speaker 4: the song. 1309 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,080 Speaker 5: Was it written with. 1310 01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,200 Speaker 2: Something of a biographical lean, shall we say? 1311 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,400 Speaker 6: He told me, and he says this on record, that 1312 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,080 Speaker 6: it was a sort of a mixture of several themes 1313 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,679 Speaker 6: experiences as he'd had or witnessed. 1314 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,280 Speaker 5: I'm much sure. But he grew up on a little 1315 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,880 Speaker 5: house on top of the cliff overlooking Bronze Beach, so 1316 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 5: beautiful and much immerged in kind of Sydney surf wife 1317 01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,599 Speaker 5: and you know, not far from Tamma Ramma where all 1318 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,320 Speaker 5: the ladies would go topless and all of that. So 1319 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,000 Speaker 5: there was a bit of background there. 1320 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:19,280 Speaker 14: You know. 1321 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,040 Speaker 3: It was quite a time Ross and being a real 1322 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,160 Speaker 3: fan or a real fan of the previous couple of albums, 1323 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 3: including Chemistry. I've went out and got my copy and 1324 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,760 Speaker 3: saw your smell, your grinning faces on the front cover. 1325 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,800 Speaker 3: It's amazing forty years how things have changed. But we 1326 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,479 Speaker 3: also now have you know, some my kids sometimes go 1327 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,000 Speaker 3: to the record shop and buy an album, which is 1328 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:36,519 Speaker 3: good to see. 1329 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. Violence made a bit of a comeback. 1330 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,080 Speaker 6: So people have realized that when they've got their streaming services, 1331 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,760 Speaker 6: they don't actually own the instances. They're just renting it 1332 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,040 Speaker 6: by the month, and they'd like to have something solid 1333 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 6: in their hands. And so it's really good that fact on. 1334 01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,600 Speaker 6: One of my kids works in a record shop and 1335 01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,400 Speaker 6: then went out the weekend. 1336 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,040 Speaker 2: That's good. People like something tangible and some lyrics on there. 1337 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,240 Speaker 2: And it so come said the boy. I'm not finished 1338 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:08,240 Speaker 2: talking about that. 1339 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,160 Speaker 4: It came out the year I finished school, and as 1340 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,679 Speaker 4: you can and you know, I mean, you're talking about 1341 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,120 Speaker 4: that whole Sydney Beach thing. It certainly made the transition 1342 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 4: to the West Coast beach thing as well. Ross it 1343 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,639 Speaker 4: was banned by some radio stations, not least Sydney's then 1344 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 4: top rating station two s M because they were affiliated 1345 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,920 Speaker 4: with the Roman Catholic Church did let them Saint Mary. 1346 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, but they were the only ones that I know 1347 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,000 Speaker 5: that did ban. 1348 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:43,439 Speaker 6: Any significant and we were quite annoyed by that because 1349 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,400 Speaker 6: we were trying to get to number one, and we 1350 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:50,920 Speaker 6: said at number two weeks, you know, and you know, 1351 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,840 Speaker 6: having a tussle with love is a battlefield. We actually 1352 01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 6: went number one in most states, but not all at 1353 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,840 Speaker 6: the same time, so you know, we have been great 1354 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,880 Speaker 6: to have a little number one. 1355 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:05,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely well to it. 1356 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,679 Speaker 4: Sam was so huge that it would have been definitely 1357 01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,840 Speaker 4: would have had an effect absolutely now. 1358 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 6: The time was big everywhere, and I think one of 1359 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,000 Speaker 6: the previous is because you know, my padents do live 1360 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,960 Speaker 6: near the coat, so this is a story that resonates 1361 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 6: with them. And we had many many WI girls come 1362 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,040 Speaker 6: up to me and say, you know, I do a 1363 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,719 Speaker 6: lot of signing things. 1364 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 5: Up to shows and all of those things. 1365 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,800 Speaker 6: You know that when that song came out, you know 1366 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,920 Speaker 6: that was I was having my first holiday romance with 1367 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,160 Speaker 6: and yeah, I've played that when we had a cat 1368 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 6: head and we business for real. 1369 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,960 Speaker 5: I've played that time because I knew we were going 1370 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:46,400 Speaker 5: to do it. 1371 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,439 Speaker 2: Might have been put off there. You've got too much information? 1372 01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 2: Can I just sign back? 1373 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:53,080 Speaker 14: Yeah? 1374 01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 5: I think you know. People have told me. 1375 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:03,360 Speaker 3: Pressure that's funny. Hey, Ross has always been great love. Yeah, 1376 01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,439 Speaker 3: the Mondo's and all of your stuff here in Perth 1377 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,880 Speaker 3: is something very special about Monday Rock here in Perth. 1378 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,600 Speaker 3: You must have loved coming and playing those gigs at 1379 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,240 Speaker 3: the Entertainment cetera, amongst other venues. 1380 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 2: But they were the big ones, weren't they. 1381 01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:13,599 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1382 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,439 Speaker 5: I'm always been many times over there. 1383 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,240 Speaker 6: Recently, you know, we looked like when and everything else 1384 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,400 Speaker 6: the full world and of course it's mixed it all up. 1385 01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,479 Speaker 5: That's a my life there stage now. 1386 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,759 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean you're forever being the unofficial anthem 1387 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:32,599 Speaker 4: of the West Coast sequence. 1388 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:32,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1389 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 2: Are they going to go clubs rock? 1390 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,000 Speaker 5: I've had to remind them on occasion. But I wrote 1391 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:39,439 Speaker 5: that song. 1392 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,360 Speaker 6: They came around to work a few years ago with 1393 01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,280 Speaker 6: twenty fifth anniversary of the formation of the club, and 1394 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,000 Speaker 6: it was to be part of that the match, and see. 1395 01:16:55,320 --> 01:17:00,640 Speaker 5: I wanted to addressing people on a long you know what, 1396 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,120 Speaker 5: what the hell? You know? It was beautiful, you know 1397 01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,479 Speaker 5: I in these rounds. It came back, we played, We've 1398 01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,000 Speaker 5: played twice. 1399 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,400 Speaker 2: They can't get enough of it. So March nineteen eighty four, 1400 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,880 Speaker 2: Modern Bop was the album. 1401 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,240 Speaker 4: Rolling Stone said at the time, the album achieves the 1402 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,080 Speaker 4: Mondo's oft quota aim adult music that isn't soft or 1403 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 4: easy listening. Now, I reckon then Rolling Stone had a 1404 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,320 Speaker 4: fair but a sway probably more than it does now. 1405 01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,200 Speaker 4: How much attention did bands pay, you know, to something 1406 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,879 Speaker 4: like Rolling Stone when it came to reviews? 1407 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,280 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there was a big good revision. I want 1408 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 5: to get it. 1409 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,400 Speaker 6: And the album was a pretty big success. I've got 1410 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,000 Speaker 6: some of the tracks on it. We didn't spend much 1411 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,160 Speaker 6: time on because we spent so much time recording. Effect 1412 01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,040 Speaker 6: income said the boy I read probably said a third 1413 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,920 Speaker 6: of the album just working on that song. Well, yeah, 1414 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,360 Speaker 6: the solo of the Eric Mtaska in the middle, the 1415 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,960 Speaker 6: solo I get guitarist awesome, You know I don't because 1416 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,439 Speaker 6: when we play Paris from time to time, I was like, yeah, 1417 01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:15,920 Speaker 6: you can just. 1418 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,559 Speaker 5: Play what you like, I know, I'm going to play 1419 01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,840 Speaker 5: exactly like that. Yeah, and Eric got a got a 1420 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:27,400 Speaker 5: call from from Keith Irban like about Yeah, it was 1421 01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,720 Speaker 5: I want to tell you I just love it. That's 1422 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,479 Speaker 5: that's pretty good. 1423 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Good time. He's a handy X men. Yeah, well that's 1424 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:38,519 Speaker 2: really good. 1425 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,559 Speaker 5: He had to let everything. Every called me. 1426 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,799 Speaker 2: Up and told me, you know, that's really tough. With remindment, 1427 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,080 Speaker 2: I was concerned you were going to say he was 1428 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 2: going to do a country version. 1429 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:55,400 Speaker 3: Wasn't you wanted to play one of the ones that 1430 01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,920 Speaker 3: getting sold in America. But there is a song on 1431 01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,720 Speaker 3: the album I don't know this album very well called 1432 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,000 Speaker 3: Cost of Living. Let's be honest, you were forty years 1433 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,200 Speaker 3: ahead of the time, you guys. 1434 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 5: That came from it. 1435 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,320 Speaker 6: If you look at this songwriting, I create a plass 1436 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:17,000 Speaker 6: of guy people. And he was with I'd mentioned to him, look, 1437 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,600 Speaker 6: if anyone comes up with song title and I use it, 1438 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,280 Speaker 6: I'll give pleece to the song, you know, And I 1439 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,960 Speaker 6: got one custo of red and yeah, you know, and 1440 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,679 Speaker 6: turn it into it not just about money but about 1441 01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 6: you know, wear and tear on your psyche and your 1442 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,080 Speaker 6: soul through it. And I really love that so quickly 1443 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,599 Speaker 6: said here's the idea that really quick. 1444 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,760 Speaker 5: We didn't have to do it all. So that's that's 1445 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 5: a strong and I just want to me please say that. 1446 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,720 Speaker 2: I got to ask you one more question. Ross. We 1447 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,920 Speaker 2: said that I four is one of the greatest years 1448 01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,400 Speaker 2: for music. What were you What were you listening to? 1449 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,160 Speaker 2: What were you putting on the cassette into the you know, 1450 01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 2: the cassette player in the car. 1451 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 6: That's a good question. Actually, I can't remember what I 1452 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,639 Speaker 6: was saying of contemporary music, but I'm always the blues 1453 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,960 Speaker 6: and R and B. I probably some like American like dance, 1454 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:33,879 Speaker 6: you know, like whipper By Dads that, yeah. 1455 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,600 Speaker 5: And then yeah, a lot of that, a lot of 1456 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:38,840 Speaker 5: probably Prince. 1457 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely yeah, and the time and the time, the time, 1458 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,200 Speaker 3: Princess ben Yeah. 1459 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,240 Speaker 4: As a fairly generic answer, isn't it what were listening 1460 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,759 Speaker 4: to whenever Prince Prince well, he had he was combined funk. 1461 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:59,000 Speaker 5: With he had little redcord met out around that. 1462 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thirty thirty four. 1463 01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,800 Speaker 6: Yet when it's a pretty explicit song, and when the 1464 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,759 Speaker 6: boy got banned, I'm going, why didn't they band. 1465 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:16,840 Speaker 5: Explicitly coded? And I think the bishops and heard said 1466 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,920 Speaker 5: the boy when he's driving to work and probably yeah, 1467 01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,000 Speaker 5: better on the radio station. Friends, we're talking about it. 1468 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,200 Speaker 3: That's right, all right, Well we'll blame pet Benaugh and 1469 01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,880 Speaker 3: be blame might be will throw Molly into the mix 1470 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,800 Speaker 3: as well for not getting the number one on CAD there. 1471 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, well anyway, there's always another chance. And I'm still 1472 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,400 Speaker 6: around on my yes sometimes, still. 1473 01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,519 Speaker 2: Still a great writer. Good to talk to you. 1474 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,280 Speaker 3: Wonderful and thanks to the incredible memories. And we know 1475 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,479 Speaker 3: that you're going to be tearing against it. 1476 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:48,960 Speaker 2: Yes absolutely. 1477 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,479 Speaker 5: In the second half edition. 1478 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, fantastic. Keep us posting exactly what you're doing. 1479 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:54,880 Speaker 5: Thank you. 1480 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,000 Speaker 2: Ross Sensation. 1481 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 4: Continue our delve back into the year that turns forty 1482 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,360 Speaker 4: this year nineteen eighty four. We are catching up this 1483 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,519 Speaker 4: morning with the CEO of the Royal Australian Mint, Lee Gordon, 1484 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,120 Speaker 4: because it was on May fourteen in nineteen eighty four 1485 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,760 Speaker 4: the one dollar coin was released into circulation. 1486 01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,920 Speaker 9: Hello, Lee, good, I got to talk to you. 1487 01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,839 Speaker 2: I can remember when this happened. 1488 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,479 Speaker 4: I'll be getting that first one dollar coin was just 1489 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,400 Speaker 4: so bizarre, but there was I can also remember the 1490 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,920 Speaker 4: controversy surrounding it, with people saying, oh my pockets will 1491 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:35,760 Speaker 4: be wayed. 1492 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,920 Speaker 2: Down, you know, because I love the brown bone we did. 1493 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,479 Speaker 2: People didn't want to part with the note. 1494 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,559 Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's right. I can certainly remember a bus 1495 01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,599 Speaker 9: conductor in Sydney. He said, I don't want these one 1496 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:47,240 Speaker 9: dollar coins. 1497 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:47,840 Speaker 2: You take them. 1498 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,680 Speaker 9: I don't need them anymore already, just gave me a 1499 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,920 Speaker 9: handful of them. Oh really, things have moved on a 1500 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,880 Speaker 9: bit from me. That was a while ago now, of course. 1501 01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:55,240 Speaker 12: Yeah. 1502 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, as you say forty years, it's really pretty well. 1503 01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,560 Speaker 9: The iconic coin that we have and an range of 1504 01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,639 Speaker 9: decimal coins now the one dollar It's hard to imagine 1505 01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,400 Speaker 9: a time before it. But we certainly made that decision 1506 01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,800 Speaker 9: to move across to the one dollar coin because back 1507 01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,960 Speaker 9: in those days the one and the two dollar notes 1508 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,080 Speaker 9: were there were paper based notes, and they were moving 1509 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,639 Speaker 9: around to see a bit, and they were wearing out 1510 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,160 Speaker 9: very quickly. So one dollar coin, you know, it could 1511 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,280 Speaker 9: last for thirty years, so it was a lot more 1512 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,200 Speaker 9: desirable to have it, and I think a lot of 1513 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,360 Speaker 9: people did like them at the end. They certainly worked 1514 01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,320 Speaker 9: better on coin machines and that sort of stuff. 1515 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,680 Speaker 2: I loved it. 1516 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,040 Speaker 3: I was nineteen on this sort of bit special to 1517 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,200 Speaker 3: have a little gold coin, especially because they were gold 1518 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,880 Speaker 3: as opposed to all the silver currency. 1519 01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:44,960 Speaker 9: Well, that's right, they look gold. They're technically made out 1520 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,320 Speaker 9: of an aliminium bronze and if you want to be 1521 01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,920 Speaker 9: scientifics ninety two percent copper, six percent aliminium and two 1522 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,439 Speaker 9: percent nickel. But they certainly do have that gold lustrous 1523 01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,800 Speaker 9: look on them, which is really a handsome coin, I think. 1524 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,640 Speaker 9: And of course of the design with the mob of 1525 01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,200 Speaker 9: ruse on it. It was designed by Stuart Devlin, who 1526 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,760 Speaker 9: did design the original decimal currency that we used here. 1527 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,440 Speaker 9: I mean, believe it or not, there are five kangaroos 1528 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,360 Speaker 9: on that coin, which is really quite an achievement for 1529 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:17,240 Speaker 9: such a small, little, sneaky little that it's fair, but 1530 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,880 Speaker 9: it curely, as I said, one of our iconic coins, 1531 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:20,760 Speaker 9: the one dollar coin. 1532 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,080 Speaker 4: Do you know I used to think at the time 1533 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,720 Speaker 4: this has spoken like a true teenager in nineteen eighty four. 1534 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,080 Speaker 4: I didn't love it because I always felt like notes 1535 01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:34,160 Speaker 4: versus coins. I felt like I had less money. Not really, 1536 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:39,479 Speaker 4: how ridiculous is that? Because it wasn't folding money notes, oh, 1537 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,240 Speaker 4: Chris notes. I felt like I had less money, but 1538 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,120 Speaker 4: It's funny. I didn't, but that was just me and 1539 01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,720 Speaker 4: that's how I am with money, stupid. How many were 1540 01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,640 Speaker 4: released on the first day, Lee, do you know? 1541 01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,920 Speaker 9: Well, look, I don't know how many went out on 1542 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,680 Speaker 9: the Food's Day, but I did have a look at 1543 01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,439 Speaker 9: air any report. Yeah, and that told us in the 1544 01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,719 Speaker 9: eighty three eighty four financial year there were one hundred 1545 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:04,120 Speaker 9: and twenty seven million coins were for the banks across 1546 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 9: that year, So you know, that's a fair few For Australia. 1547 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,719 Speaker 9: That would have been less than twenty million dollars twenty 1548 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,759 Speaker 9: million people at that time, so exactly a few coins 1549 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:18,439 Speaker 9: per person. Yeah, and yeah, they've and of course we've 1550 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,760 Speaker 9: continued to release them pretty well every year ever since 1551 01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,920 Speaker 9: that that nineteen eighty four day. 1552 01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:24,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1553 01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,960 Speaker 3: Lisa likes to say that I keep everything, and I 1554 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,519 Speaker 3: have got one of them. It's really quite scary. So 1555 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,280 Speaker 3: I have a brown windle of note that I found 1556 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,679 Speaker 3: at home the other day hanging around. 1557 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,679 Speaker 2: He did, but I put a crunching right, Actually, worth 1558 01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 2: does there worth anything? Land? Is this well actually legal tender? 1559 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:44,439 Speaker 2: How long it take it? 1560 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:44,760 Speaker 15: I are? 1561 01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,479 Speaker 9: I are still I are still legal tender. Probably only 1562 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,840 Speaker 9: a bank or the reserve bank that would actually take 1563 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,960 Speaker 9: them off here, right, So I. 1564 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,320 Speaker 2: Get the crown and put it on the table because. 1565 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,160 Speaker 9: If you're not alone, you know, because estimate there's about 1566 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,840 Speaker 9: nineteen million one dollar notes still out in houses. 1567 01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,880 Speaker 3: Of gosh, these other silly old buggers are there with 1568 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,040 Speaker 3: the one. 1569 01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,200 Speaker 9: Dollar and you know they're probably all hanging on to them, 1570 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:20,599 Speaker 9: thinking of these will be really valuable, probably one Scotland 1571 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,599 Speaker 9: seven cents. Apparently there was a there was a mint 1572 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,639 Speaker 9: condition one that sold recently for seven and a half 1573 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:37,360 Speaker 9: thousand dollars. Well, thank you, I'm really high, yees. They're 1574 01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,679 Speaker 9: only really worth what for people have prepared to pay 1575 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,439 Speaker 9: for it. But there so you and you're nineteen million 1576 01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:43,799 Speaker 9: dollar friends. It was special. 1577 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,000 Speaker 2: Did it take a long time to phase out the 1578 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,760 Speaker 2: dollar note? I can't remember from yeah, look at it 1579 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,000 Speaker 2: happens over time. 1580 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,040 Speaker 9: Yet deposited one dollars and they went into the bank system. 1581 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,559 Speaker 9: It would be coins that would pop out the other way. Yeah, 1582 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:03,879 Speaker 9: and obviously it never fully completed millions still. 1583 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,639 Speaker 2: Ever, we of course then went after the dollar coin. 1584 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,120 Speaker 4: We got a two dollar coin, and I remember of 1585 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,160 Speaker 4: the yse there was talk of getting a five dollar 1586 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,400 Speaker 4: coin and so on. But do you think any of 1587 01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,519 Speaker 4: that will happen now that money is handled in a 1588 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:20,360 Speaker 4: very different way. 1589 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:20,720 Speaker 2: Lead. 1590 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, that's right. There's certainly a demand for all 1591 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,960 Speaker 9: of the coins that we have at the moment, from 1592 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,000 Speaker 9: the five cent piece right up to the two dollars, 1593 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,880 Speaker 9: and my friends in the Reserve Bank told me that 1594 01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,120 Speaker 9: there's still a healthy demand for the five dollar note 1595 01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 9: which circulated around Yeah. I think if there were, if 1596 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,320 Speaker 9: there were going to be changes, there'd be some certainly 1597 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 9: some consultation that goes on with the public about how 1598 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:50,600 Speaker 9: we make those changes. But there's no plans within the 1599 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,640 Speaker 9: coin world to change the range of denominations that we 1600 01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:54,479 Speaker 9: have at this stage. 1601 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I've seen more and more five cent pieces on 1602 01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,840 Speaker 3: the ground these days. Some people seem to not care 1603 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,600 Speaker 3: as much, but those and what you said with the 1604 01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,000 Speaker 3: one dollar coins over the years, we've said it with 1605 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,439 Speaker 3: the fifty cent pieces. There have been a lot of 1606 01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,120 Speaker 3: different designs that have popped up our special releases, haven't 1607 01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:08,920 Speaker 3: they They're quite special. 1608 01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,280 Speaker 9: Well, that's right, we certainly have. We've used them for 1609 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,080 Speaker 9: coins that commemorated like the Year of Peace, Centenary of Federation. 1610 01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,479 Speaker 9: I think we did sixtieth anniversary of the end of 1611 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,439 Speaker 9: World War Two, maybe even I think Girl Guides Centenary 1612 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,439 Speaker 9: in twenty ten was the one that comes to mind. 1613 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,280 Speaker 9: And we also use the one dollar coin for some 1614 01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,320 Speaker 9: of our more fun coin programs we do like big 1615 01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:40,479 Speaker 9: Things and the Great AUSSI coin Hunts One's great, and 1616 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,000 Speaker 9: most recently, you know, we've done a range of AFL 1617 01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,040 Speaker 9: and NRL coin appeal to some of the sporty people 1618 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,720 Speaker 9: out there, so it's been a useful coin for those 1619 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,920 Speaker 9: sort of program As. 1620 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,040 Speaker 4: Far as the collector's coins, do you know which coin 1621 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,200 Speaker 4: would be the most expensive? 1622 01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:05,120 Speaker 9: Look? Occasionally people will find a coin which has a 1623 01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,519 Speaker 9: bit of a defect on it. Defect, so we try 1624 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,519 Speaker 9: here as hard as we can to not make coins 1625 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,960 Speaker 9: with defects, and if we do, to not release them, 1626 01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,559 Speaker 9: so I don't really talk about them too much. 1627 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:17,320 Speaker 2: They do. 1628 01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,559 Speaker 9: We talk about them. There's been a couple of years 1629 01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,760 Speaker 9: where our mintages have been a bit lower, So the 1630 01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,559 Speaker 9: twenty twenty two mob of Rooms only had ten thousand 1631 01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,000 Speaker 9: coins minted, under twenty twenty one only had one hundred 1632 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,160 Speaker 9: and sixty thousand, so they might be worth a little 1633 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,800 Speaker 9: bit more than your standard one dollar coin, I guess, 1634 01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,280 Speaker 9: but it depends on what the market's doing there, but 1635 01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,160 Speaker 9: certainly some of those ones with the lower mintages. Of course, 1636 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:51,040 Speaker 9: we've got King Charles on coins now, and we started 1637 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,559 Speaker 9: in twenty twenty three with one dollar coin. We made 1638 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,840 Speaker 9: about I think it's just about four and a half 1639 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,000 Speaker 9: million of those in circulation. 1640 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:00,280 Speaker 7: At the Madam. 1641 01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,640 Speaker 9: We've probably got another million and a half sitting in 1642 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,519 Speaker 9: our reserves to go out. So the twenty twenty three 1643 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,439 Speaker 9: one dollar coin, the first one with King Charles, I 1644 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,200 Speaker 9: reckon there's a few people that are going to hang 1645 01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,160 Speaker 9: on to those if they find them in their chain, 1646 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,160 Speaker 9: that might become a little bit more valuable than the standard. 1647 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,479 Speaker 9: But as I said before, you. 1648 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,479 Speaker 5: Know it really is. 1649 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,800 Speaker 9: The value is what people are prepared to pay. 1650 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,000 Speaker 4: Yes, what I mean, I guess the less of them, 1651 01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,680 Speaker 4: the more it will cost. The CEO of the Royal 1652 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,519 Speaker 4: Australian min does anyone ever straight up asking for money 1653 01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:34,559 Speaker 4: all the time? 1654 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:37,639 Speaker 9: Any three staples? 1655 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,320 Speaker 2: Exactly what you're at the tim Tam factory. 1656 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,000 Speaker 9: Well, I'm half tempted to wander around with a handful 1657 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,120 Speaker 9: of five cent pieces. 1658 01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:52,479 Speaker 3: In yeah, yes, yes, so I imagine if I found 1659 01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,320 Speaker 3: a one dollar coin and coin Elizabeth looked a bit 1660 01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:55,200 Speaker 3: more like Prince Andrew. 1661 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:56,080 Speaker 2: That might be worth something. 1662 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:05,240 Speaker 9: Will be questioning whether that's a dodgy one. 1663 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,160 Speaker 2: That's right, I think. 1664 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,200 Speaker 4: On that note, Lee, it has been lovely to reminisce 1665 01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,120 Speaker 4: about nineteen eighty four in the release of the first coin. 1666 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:15,679 Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. 1667 01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,600 Speaker 9: Thank you, Lee, Thanks very much for the chat. I 1668 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:19,320 Speaker 9: have a great day you. 1669 01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,720 Speaker 2: Your payper will be one brown wonder on the night light, 1670 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:22,759 Speaker 2: by the way, I'll send. 1671 01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:23,080 Speaker 5: It in the mail. 1672 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:25,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, Lev. 1673 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,200 Speaker 4: Yes, here we are again, delving back into the year 1674 01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,240 Speaker 4: that turns forty this year nineteen eighty four. In nineteen 1675 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,320 Speaker 4: eighty four, news and current affairs, I mean news and 1676 01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,840 Speaker 4: crent affairs is big business now, of course, but I 1677 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,120 Speaker 4: feel like in the eighties took itself a bit more 1678 01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:47,640 Speaker 4: seriously and I was there was a first family of 1679 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,200 Speaker 4: news and current affairs in this country which continues on today. 1680 01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,160 Speaker 4: But I knew everything that I needed to know because 1681 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:59,839 Speaker 4: Terry told me so. Terry Willisy, good morning. 1682 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,760 Speaker 5: Are the memory comes flooding? No, I know. 1683 01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:04,800 Speaker 2: Isn't it an amazing house? 1684 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,280 Speaker 4: I think gets in your hed because I'll never forget 1685 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,440 Speaker 4: the bull Jingley. 1686 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, very catchy, very catchy. 1687 01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,720 Speaker 2: Very catchy. People sing it to you, Terry in the streets. No, 1688 01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:16,320 Speaker 2: we have met me in the street. 1689 01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,439 Speaker 5: But back in the day they did happen a lot. Yeah, 1690 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,040 Speaker 5: it was very catchy and the channel line comple out 1691 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:24,600 Speaker 5: quite a lot of it. 1692 01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the little thing. 1693 01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:32,120 Speaker 4: Terry an incredible career in news and current affairs in 1694 01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,120 Speaker 4: this country, starting at Channel seven in nineteen sixty nine, 1695 01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,280 Speaker 4: if I may spill the date in the newsroom. You 1696 01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,120 Speaker 4: went on to host crent affairs shows like Terry Willis's 1697 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,920 Speaker 4: Perth Terry Willisey Tonight, a Current Affair extra. 1698 01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,599 Speaker 2: Where exactly were you in nineteen eighty four eighty four? 1699 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:51,679 Speaker 5: I was in Sydney. 1700 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,720 Speaker 16: I left Perth in nineteen eighty three. Yeah, and then 1701 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,120 Speaker 16: there was eighty four. I was doing the show called 1702 01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:58,679 Speaker 16: Terry Willowsey Tonight in Sydney. 1703 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,800 Speaker 5: Yes, program nut the show. Yeah, yeah, a lot of fun. 1704 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,040 Speaker 16: It was a big time current affairs and very competitive 1705 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,800 Speaker 16: and very active and a lot of fun. 1706 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry. 1707 01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,720 Speaker 3: Watching you on TV, it was all about trust and 1708 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,479 Speaker 3: likability and you I felt both of those when I 1709 01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,240 Speaker 3: saw you on the TV. Did people often say that 1710 01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,240 Speaker 3: to you, that that's that's how you made them feel 1711 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,559 Speaker 3: oh pleasure, yes, so kind. 1712 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, ocasion. I get that a bit. I suppose 1713 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,840 Speaker 5: I worked very. 1714 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,839 Speaker 16: Hard at what I did, and I believe in it strongly, 1715 01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:33,240 Speaker 16: And I guess that shone through with you genuine about 1716 01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,679 Speaker 16: what you do and what you're presenting. Then I guess 1717 01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,080 Speaker 16: you're going to get that sort of feedback, which was 1718 01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:38,720 Speaker 16: nice to get. 1719 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,680 Speaker 4: I think trust was paramount, wasn't it. It really was 1720 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,519 Speaker 4: how much control did you have over what stories that 1721 01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,840 Speaker 4: you covered on those those tonight shows? 1722 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,000 Speaker 5: Well, in the Current Affairs shows in per particularly, I 1723 01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,840 Speaker 5: was the executive producer, so I had a lot of 1724 01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,120 Speaker 5: say and what stories we covered. In the early days 1725 01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,200 Speaker 5: of news, you just you know, you were sent to 1726 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,280 Speaker 5: you went where you were sent. But as things progressed 1727 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,360 Speaker 5: and became more experienced, and I was a hold of 1728 01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,000 Speaker 5: senior position on the Current Affair shows I worked. 1729 01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,320 Speaker 16: On here in Sydney and in New York, I had 1730 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,320 Speaker 16: more of a say then in the stories. But it 1731 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:19,439 Speaker 16: was a give and take sort of thing. Someone comes 1732 01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:20,840 Speaker 16: up with a better idea, you'd run with. 1733 01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:25,559 Speaker 4: That, okay, I mean, And that in and of itself 1734 01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:31,080 Speaker 4: is something that doesn't necessarily happen now be able. 1735 01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:32,719 Speaker 2: To acknowledge that someone's got a better idea. 1736 01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,080 Speaker 3: Let's let's embrace what about dominomy of years. You're in 1737 01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:37,400 Speaker 3: New so you have to talk about a lot of 1738 01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:40,439 Speaker 3: grim stuff. It's not always easy. You can find yourself 1739 01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:41,120 Speaker 3: getting emotional. 1740 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,240 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I didn't think about it for the first thirty 1741 01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,960 Speaker 5: five years. I just didn't realize that covering bad news 1742 01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,280 Speaker 5: stories was having an effect on you, was building up 1743 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,800 Speaker 5: in your system. And it all came to a head 1744 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,160 Speaker 5: when I was in New York and I went down 1745 01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,000 Speaker 5: to cover the Oklahoma City bombing, which is the biggest 1746 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:04,400 Speaker 5: just active terrorism on mainland America at the time, and 1747 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,559 Speaker 5: it was just horrendous to a lot of people killed. 1748 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:11,080 Speaker 5: It was awful. And some time after that, I came 1749 01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,920 Speaker 5: back to Perth actually and I was talking at a 1750 01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,760 Speaker 5: breakfast for the Rotary Club, and I wouldn't be asked 1751 01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,000 Speaker 5: you to tell the story about Oklahoma City bombing and 1752 01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,560 Speaker 5: what happened. I was telling the story, and all of 1753 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,880 Speaker 5: a sudden I broke down. I just lost control. There's 1754 01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:29,200 Speaker 5: just a cumulative effect of everything you've seen and heard 1755 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,760 Speaker 5: over the years, road accidents and that sort of thing, 1756 01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,000 Speaker 5: and fires and the Oklahoma City bombing, which is horrendous. 1757 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:37,559 Speaker 2: Children were killed. 1758 01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, just terrible. You never sort of I never 1759 01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,280 Speaker 5: stopped to think, oh this maybe this is getting getting 1760 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:47,200 Speaker 5: me until that moment when I realized, oh you've been 1761 01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:48,320 Speaker 5: you are affected by. 1762 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,439 Speaker 2: This, you'reting at all. Yeah, the cumulutship effect. Yeah, and 1763 01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:55,240 Speaker 2: being professional at the time. Oh yes, of course, Terry, 1764 01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,120 Speaker 2: Well that's right. Yeah, Going, what were the really big 1765 01:35:58,160 --> 01:35:59,439 Speaker 2: stories around eighty four. 1766 01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:01,920 Speaker 5: Eighty four. 1767 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,639 Speaker 16: There's a big one in Sydney in eighty four, made 1768 01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,960 Speaker 16: the frontages around the country and made news around the world. 1769 01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,839 Speaker 16: It became known as the milpaira massacre. 1770 01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:15,639 Speaker 5: Yes, it was a brutal shootout erupted between two biking gangs. 1771 01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,120 Speaker 5: There've been a barbecue market day at a pub called 1772 01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,280 Speaker 5: the Viking Hotel on the outskirts of Sydney and it 1773 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,519 Speaker 5: turned out the common Shareows were at war with the 1774 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,400 Speaker 5: Banditos at the time, so they laid in wait at 1775 01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:34,439 Speaker 5: this barbecue day, this fundraising day for another club, and 1776 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,360 Speaker 5: the Bandidos arrived and the fighting began. It started just 1777 01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,840 Speaker 5: with punch ups and things like that on baseball bats 1778 01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,400 Speaker 5: and machetes. One guy lost an arm and then the 1779 01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,519 Speaker 5: shooting started. This is in a setting where families are 1780 01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,280 Speaker 5: gathered for a fundraising. 1781 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:53,880 Speaker 16: Afternoon to swap and sell some bicycle motorbike paths. But 1782 01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,840 Speaker 16: the fighting killed seven men, and very sadly a seven 1783 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,920 Speaker 16: year old fourteen year old girl who been selling raffle 1784 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,840 Speaker 16: tickets died after being here with a shotgun blast. It 1785 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:05,240 Speaker 16: was a terrible, terrible tragedy. 1786 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,280 Speaker 2: Medicare came into effect that year. That must have been 1787 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:08,920 Speaker 2: a big story. 1788 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:10,160 Speaker 5: It sure did. 1789 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,360 Speaker 16: Yeah, we had Bob Hawk was our Prime minister and 1790 01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,040 Speaker 16: it was Yeah, there was a lot of conjecture about it. 1791 01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,719 Speaker 16: Of course, then those who were opposed to it saying, 1792 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,960 Speaker 16: you know, it would be a downfall for our health system, 1793 01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,880 Speaker 16: but it's lasted. There was a big deal then and 1794 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,960 Speaker 16: it took a while to get going and still going today. 1795 01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,360 Speaker 16: It was very beneficial, you know, a universal healthcare system. 1796 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:32,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 1797 01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,840 Speaker 3: The Los Angeles Olympics in eighty four and there was 1798 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,960 Speaker 3: some surprise results of the Aussies winning Goldie Johnny Sebman 1799 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,840 Speaker 3: in the pool and you probably were all over that 1800 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:40,200 Speaker 3: as well. 1801 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,160 Speaker 5: Made Oh yeah, well yeah, it was a very very 1802 01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,320 Speaker 5: exciting time. There had some they can't remember exactly, there's 1803 01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,760 Speaker 5: some sort of problem they had there and there was 1804 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:52,840 Speaker 5: disruptions and demonstrations and things, but it went ahead. And yeah, 1805 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,320 Speaker 5: it was a big deal with the LA Olympics, one 1806 01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:56,439 Speaker 5: of the biggest and best. 1807 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely got with the jetpack flying around the starting in LA. 1808 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,519 Speaker 4: We talked about you coming from a media family dynasty. 1809 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,439 Speaker 4: There was probably never any other thought other than going 1810 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,479 Speaker 4: into what you went into. But your brother Mike will 1811 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,840 Speaker 4: I see, one of the greatest broadcasters ever. 1812 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,840 Speaker 2: Did you have a bit of rivalry. 1813 01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,160 Speaker 4: Between the two of you or we always, you know, 1814 01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,559 Speaker 4: really happy for whatever each did. 1815 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:29,240 Speaker 2: No, it was interesting. 1816 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:36,200 Speaker 5: We had a rivalry. Absolutely, terry big pardon. 1817 01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:37,760 Speaker 2: We love the honesty, mate. 1818 01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. No, definitely rivalry, but we love each other like brothers. 1819 01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,880 Speaker 16: And everything went well. But we're very competitive. Yes, and 1820 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,160 Speaker 16: it was great when we got one story that they 1821 01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:49,800 Speaker 16: didn't get, which was fantastic year. 1822 01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, he was he was. 1823 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,160 Speaker 16: I appreciate your comments about Mike. He was the best 1824 01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:02,040 Speaker 16: television interviewer in the country accent and he was the best. Yeah, 1825 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:03,759 Speaker 16: we miss him exactly. 1826 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:05,720 Speaker 2: You're not wrong, man, absolutely. 1827 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:06,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1828 01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,120 Speaker 3: What about journalism in twenty twenty four, I mean, we 1829 01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,879 Speaker 3: know the tech side of news has changed, but journalism 1830 01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,479 Speaker 3: when now I hear police in now call cops and 1831 01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,560 Speaker 3: children are called kids in the news, and then it 1832 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:16,679 Speaker 3: has changed, isn't it terry? 1833 01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's quite surprised. It's surprising the way some of 1834 01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:24,040 Speaker 5: it has changed. Just as a sort of comparison, when 1835 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,680 Speaker 5: I started in sixty nine, we were going out and 1836 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:31,519 Speaker 5: shooting news stories on black and white film. Then we 1837 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,799 Speaker 5: got there to come back to the studio have a process, 1838 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,000 Speaker 5: so forty minutes later you get to see your story. 1839 01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,439 Speaker 16: Then we went to color and then to videotape. And 1840 01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,479 Speaker 16: today where you've got people who can shoot a news 1841 01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,200 Speaker 16: story on their phone and it can be on air 1842 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:49,040 Speaker 16: within minutes. So it's a whole new world, but also. 1843 01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:49,799 Speaker 5: A lot more pressures. 1844 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:55,360 Speaker 16: I think today, as much time journalists have to prepare 1845 01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,599 Speaker 16: a story and give it, give it one hundred percent, 1846 01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,600 Speaker 16: I think they're giving it less because they've got so 1847 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,439 Speaker 16: much pressure on them to feed stories out sort of 1848 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:03,960 Speaker 16: around the. 1849 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,719 Speaker 5: Clock, you know, while they're on the road. 1850 01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,840 Speaker 16: They're sending stories for the headlines and for other things, 1851 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,880 Speaker 16: bits and pieces, and for online stuff as well. 1852 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:13,679 Speaker 2: So it's a tough gig now. 1853 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,160 Speaker 4: And when that demand may have come at a cost 1854 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,200 Speaker 4: in my opinion, and also this sort of twenty for 1855 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,439 Speaker 4: our news cycle, Terry, that you know, there's a lot 1856 01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:28,880 Speaker 4: of just stuff, you know, that you lose the really 1857 01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:32,360 Speaker 4: good quality things in the you know, the all the 1858 01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:33,880 Speaker 4: other stuff I find. 1859 01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. And I think because there are 1860 01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,400 Speaker 5: so many mediums to get your news during the day, 1861 01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:42,160 Speaker 5: I find the big news junkie. 1862 01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,240 Speaker 16: Particularly by the time I get to watch the five 1863 01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,960 Speaker 16: o'clock or six o'clock news, I know it all. There's 1864 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,200 Speaker 16: not much view happening, and I think that may impact 1865 01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,479 Speaker 16: on the viewership of the evening news. 1866 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,639 Speaker 5: Is the set standard pieces. So whether that will all change, 1867 01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,280 Speaker 5: I don't know. 1868 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, have fond memories of that old Channel nine building 1869 01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,760 Speaker 3: and like Rabert Warrens back then and Diane Ella or 1870 01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:04,360 Speaker 3: on the mirror book a boarder there, and I think 1871 01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,280 Speaker 3: I had a swimming pool. It was pretty flash in 1872 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:07,519 Speaker 3: the early days, wasn't it, Terry. 1873 01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, we had a lovely swimming pool. We didn't get 1874 01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,000 Speaker 5: to use it most of it. No, No, it was no, 1875 01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,200 Speaker 5: it's good. I started at Channel seven, which is intuity 1876 01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:16,760 Speaker 5: ill next door. 1877 01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,200 Speaker 2: Yes, Channel nine. 1878 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, they were the good old days. But back in 1879 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,000 Speaker 5: those days in the newsroom. We would have time to 1880 01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,600 Speaker 5: have friendly games at cricket we rolled up pieces of 1881 01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:27,439 Speaker 5: paper and stuff. 1882 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,400 Speaker 16: I don't think that happens today. Yeah, we did work 1883 01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,400 Speaker 16: very hard, but also it was a fun time as well. 1884 01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:36,680 Speaker 4: Do you feel like, you know you worked at the 1885 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,080 Speaker 4: sort of the best time to be working in news 1886 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:39,880 Speaker 4: and current affairs? 1887 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,479 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I really do think that. 1888 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,840 Speaker 2: I think I really it was. It was enjoyed. 1889 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,320 Speaker 5: I loved the work, you know. I threw myself into 1890 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,559 Speaker 5: it just believing that this was the most important thing 1891 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,479 Speaker 5: within the world, that these news stories get out every 1892 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,880 Speaker 5: day and we do a good job on them. When 1893 01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,400 Speaker 5: I now that I'm out of it, I look like 1894 01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,599 Speaker 5: I say, well, wasn't the most important, but I got 1895 01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:03,719 Speaker 5: the most out of it anyway. 1896 01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1897 01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,760 Speaker 3: Try You made a lot of documentaries over time. Was 1898 01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:08,960 Speaker 3: that somebody you are very missed something very passionate about 1899 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:09,880 Speaker 3: doing that work as well? 1900 01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:10,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? I did. 1901 01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,200 Speaker 16: I did that at Channel nine. I made fourteen documentaries 1902 01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,600 Speaker 16: all based in Perth. I think ninety five percent of 1903 01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,120 Speaker 16: them were based in Perth, and they rated their heads 1904 01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,600 Speaker 16: off Perth. People wanted to know what was going on 1905 01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,080 Speaker 16: in their town, and we were doing stuff that other 1906 01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,519 Speaker 16: people hadn't done. We were getting out and giving them. 1907 01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:29,080 Speaker 5: A full half hour, an hour whatever it was an 1908 01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,880 Speaker 5: hour I think. And so we just terrific stories, just 1909 01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,680 Speaker 5: down to worth medy, gritty stories that people love, and 1910 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,479 Speaker 5: the ratings were huge. We just were amazed. 1911 01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:43,360 Speaker 4: The dynasty continues. There's you know, I mean not even 1912 01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,759 Speaker 4: not just in front of the camera, but behind the camera. 1913 01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,519 Speaker 4: I think there's you know, Willoses all over the place. 1914 01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:52,519 Speaker 4: I think, what would she be, your your niece Sally Langdon, 1915 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:56,320 Speaker 4: your niece in law or something is, yes, current affair 1916 01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,599 Speaker 4: now Christmas that the Willoses must be awesome. 1917 01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:07,639 Speaker 5: Also, well, yeah it is. They are a bit Yes, 1918 01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,679 Speaker 5: there we go, then we get by. Yeah, fun times. 1919 01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,400 Speaker 4: Well, Terry, there is a very good reason why you 1920 01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:20,360 Speaker 4: won four Logi Awards for most Popular Person in the 1921 01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:23,559 Speaker 4: News in Western Australia in the late seventies and early eighties. 1922 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:27,799 Speaker 4: And as I said, it's been Terry told me everything 1923 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,800 Speaker 4: I need to know. So it's been lovely to talk 1924 01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:31,280 Speaker 4: to you, Terry. 1925 01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:31,960 Speaker 2: Good to catch up. 1926 01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:32,839 Speaker 5: It's a pleasure. 1927 01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,439 Speaker 16: Thank you very much for inviting me to be a 1928 01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,400 Speaker 16: part of your nineteen eighty four retrospectives. 1929 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:39,639 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us very all the Best. 1930 01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,559 Speaker 4: Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark have sold over forty million 1931 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,200 Speaker 4: albums and recorded some of the most iconic sounds and 1932 01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:53,640 Speaker 4: songs of the nineteen eighties. In nineteen eighty four, the 1933 01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:57,519 Speaker 4: band released it's fifth studio album, Junk Culture and Today 1934 01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:03,320 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four special his omd's Andy McCluskey, Good morning, 1935 01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:04,960 Speaker 4: really welcome, thank. 1936 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,760 Speaker 5: You, Good morning to both of you. Lovely to speak to. 1937 01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,639 Speaker 2: You you too. Now, can we start with the name 1938 01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:13,879 Speaker 2: of the band. I know you've more often been called OMD. 1939 01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,479 Speaker 2: I'm quite a formal person and i've all I always 1940 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,559 Speaker 2: tried to call you Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark. Where 1941 01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:20,800 Speaker 2: did that name come from? 1942 01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,000 Speaker 5: I approver of the formats. 1943 01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:27,040 Speaker 2: Yes I am. I drive other people crazy, but yes 1944 01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:27,640 Speaker 2: I am like that. 1945 01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,680 Speaker 5: Do you know what, way way back in nineteen seventy eight, 1946 01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,840 Speaker 5: when Paul Humphreys and I decided we were going to 1947 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,680 Speaker 5: dare to go on stage in a little club in 1948 01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,439 Speaker 5: Liverpool called Erics, we thought, well, we're going to be 1949 01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,320 Speaker 5: playing songs that even our best friends don't like, and 1950 01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,439 Speaker 5: they're electronic and everybody else is playing. We need a 1951 01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,040 Speaker 5: weird name. We need a name that says, we're not punk, 1952 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,759 Speaker 5: we're not rock, we're not discovered, and so we frankly 1953 01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,759 Speaker 5: picked the most preposterous name we could think of because 1954 01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,280 Speaker 5: it didn't matter. We were going to do one gig, 1955 01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:01,480 Speaker 5: and here we are forty. 1956 01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:05,479 Speaker 2: Five years later, Posterous celebrated that she wasn't. 1957 01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,080 Speaker 3: It would have been a good band named too, poster fosters. 1958 01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:11,519 Speaker 3: It's a good one, super rapical on radio. But is 1959 01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,000 Speaker 3: it true that you know that that time you didn't. 1960 01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,400 Speaker 3: You might really didn't. We're loving the rock stuff over 1961 01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,840 Speaker 3: and with the Eagles and Pink Floyd and we're not 1962 01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:21,200 Speaker 3: getting into that stuff, that tecky cynthy stuff. 1963 01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:26,559 Speaker 5: It was certainly the electronic music was very alternative at 1964 01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:26,960 Speaker 5: the time. 1965 01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:28,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that there was a. 1966 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,759 Speaker 5: Change over in the seventies from kind of rock to punk, 1967 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,559 Speaker 5: but nobody saw the electronic thing coming. We didn't either, 1968 01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:37,800 Speaker 5: you know, we were just going to do one gig 1969 01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:40,360 Speaker 5: and then go off to the university and the next 1970 01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,400 Speaker 5: next thing we got off and another gig and another gig, 1971 01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:45,880 Speaker 5: and then a record, and then within eighteen months we 1972 01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,720 Speaker 5: were having a hit record and we were riding the 1973 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,559 Speaker 5: first wave of electronic British synthpop which took over the world. 1974 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was. 1975 01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,920 Speaker 4: I was so inspired by your music when I was 1976 01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,240 Speaker 4: in high school because first of all, I learned history 1977 01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:03,080 Speaker 4: from an older gay. 1978 01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:06,479 Speaker 2: I didn't know that pain was gone, so that's a tick. 1979 01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,760 Speaker 4: And then we were doing a play about Joan of 1980 01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,200 Speaker 4: Arc when I was listening to Joan of Arc, So 1981 01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,880 Speaker 4: that was. That was quite the coincidence. 1982 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,040 Speaker 5: I'm glad, thank you, thank you word that much. 1983 01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:23,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I lived and learned. Yeah, absolutely. 1984 01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,920 Speaker 4: Tell us about recording the album Junk Culture, that's that 1985 01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:30,080 Speaker 4: was nineteen eighty. 1986 01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,960 Speaker 5: Four, Yes, indeed, well then, and what is the crazy 1987 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,160 Speaker 5: thing was that this was going to be our fifth 1988 01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:39,840 Speaker 5: album and we'd only been going for five years, so 1989 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,880 Speaker 5: we were cranking the mouse. We'd come off the back 1990 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,760 Speaker 5: of a very weird and wonderful album called Dazzleships, which 1991 01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,240 Speaker 5: kind of scared people. It was past, a little bit experimental, 1992 01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,719 Speaker 5: bit ahead of its time. Now it's considered the masterpiece, 1993 01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,720 Speaker 5: but at the time it nearly killed our career. So 1994 01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,320 Speaker 5: we were we were how can we say, we were 1995 01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:05,240 Speaker 5: being a little bit more conventional airport in our songwriting, 1996 01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,960 Speaker 5: but it didn't stop having fun. We went all over 1997 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,000 Speaker 5: the place to record it. I mean particularly we were 1998 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:15,920 Speaker 5: in air Monsterrat in the Caribbean. It was amazing. But yeah, 1999 01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,200 Speaker 5: we we finally had to come back to Belgium and 2000 01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:19,800 Speaker 5: Holland and mix it in the middle of the winter. 2001 01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:24,559 Speaker 5: It was a bit. We had three huge hit singles 2002 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,719 Speaker 5: off the album and it really really established ourselves. 2003 01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:32,479 Speaker 2: That is incredible. It's a movie. 2004 01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,680 Speaker 3: A woman in Perth helped to make that. Is well, 2005 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,439 Speaker 3: surely with it. Look if you haven't seen. 2006 01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,320 Speaker 2: It already, I mean it was. 2007 01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:43,200 Speaker 5: It was an amazing place, an amazing, amazing island. It's 2008 01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:51,559 Speaker 5: been partially destroyed. It's you know, these islands are made 2009 01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,000 Speaker 5: by volcanoes. 2010 01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,160 Speaker 3: And destroyed by Yes, can tell us about a long 2011 01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,960 Speaker 3: term friend of yours and pouls called Winston? Tell us 2012 01:47:58,960 --> 01:47:59,679 Speaker 3: the Winston story. 2013 01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,400 Speaker 5: Well, listen for those who don't know, Winston currently resides 2014 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:12,160 Speaker 5: behind glass in the Museum of Liverpool. Yes, it's not 2015 01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:21,400 Speaker 5: the person focus to take the ship. Well, this goes 2016 01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:24,479 Speaker 5: back to the early part of our career when we 2017 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,960 Speaker 5: were a two piece band. Because none of our mates 2018 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,360 Speaker 5: wanted to play with us, so we had to We 2019 01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,200 Speaker 5: had to get a tape recorder to be the other 2020 01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,479 Speaker 5: members of the band and the guy who became our 2021 01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,599 Speaker 5: manager by default because a he had the tape recorder 2022 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:46,639 Speaker 5: and he drove a van. Yah. Yeah, we we would 2023 01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:48,840 Speaker 5: carry We would put Winston right in the middle of 2024 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,680 Speaker 5: the stage, kind of like where a drama would be, 2025 01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:54,360 Speaker 5: and we would play along with him. So yeah, he's still. 2026 01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,880 Speaker 5: He's still. We did actually do a concert ten years 2027 01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:59,760 Speaker 5: ago where we got him out and dusted him off 2028 01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:02,200 Speaker 5: and and actually used him to play some tracks when 2029 01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:05,320 Speaker 5: we did a special at the Museum of Liverpool. So 2030 01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,439 Speaker 5: he came down from his glass box interview auditorium, played 2031 01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:11,479 Speaker 5: a few songs and he went back into the glass 2032 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:11,960 Speaker 5: box again. 2033 01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:16,000 Speaker 4: Speaking of doing concerts like ten years ago and such, 2034 01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,880 Speaker 4: I read is this true that a prominent reason for 2035 01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,639 Speaker 4: your reformation was so your kids could see you on stage? 2036 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:23,320 Speaker 10: Yeah? 2037 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:24,000 Speaker 2: True. 2038 01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:33,000 Speaker 5: I retired when my son was born, which is scarier 2039 01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:36,160 Speaker 5: because it's twenty eight years ago. I retired at thirty six, 2040 01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:42,320 Speaker 5: and then when we did other things in one of 2041 01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:46,720 Speaker 5: which is including creating Atomic Kitten and writing, but I 2042 01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,320 Speaker 5: just wanted to be at home. And then when my 2043 01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:51,719 Speaker 5: son was eleven and my daughter was eight, he didn't 2044 01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,639 Speaker 5: need me around as much. So because the band got 2045 01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,639 Speaker 5: back together again, and we thought we'd try and try 2046 01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:02,360 Speaker 5: a few gigs and that was. That was seventeen years 2047 01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:06,920 Speaker 5: ago and we haven't stopped since. The kid. Yeah, the kids. 2048 01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,000 Speaker 5: The kids had seen us on top of the pop 2049 01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:13,000 Speaker 5: sol things. Yeah, yeah, they knew, they knew we'd been 2050 01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,320 Speaker 5: in a band. But my son in particular kind of said, oh, 2051 01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:19,640 Speaker 5: you know, it's I wish i'd seen you. And I said, well, 2052 01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:21,479 Speaker 5: I stopped because you were born. But if you want 2053 01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,240 Speaker 5: to see maybe we're going back together. 2054 01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,240 Speaker 2: And come back full circle. 2055 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,000 Speaker 3: You guys, about sixteen or seventeen when you write Electricity, 2056 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,280 Speaker 3: all as easy, you're just kids were? 2057 01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, we absolutely were. I mean I look back now 2058 01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,400 Speaker 5: and I just can't believe how young we were. Yeah. 2059 01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:40,320 Speaker 5: It was basically the first song we ever wrote together, 2060 01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,360 Speaker 5: when we finally got hold of a seat, electronic organ 2061 01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:46,920 Speaker 5: and electric piano and I was playing my upside down 2062 01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,120 Speaker 5: bass because the only one I could afford was left handed, 2063 01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,640 Speaker 5: even though I'm right handed. Yeah, it was. It was 2064 01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:55,240 Speaker 5: a pirate junk, but we wrote Electricity, Yeah when we 2065 01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:55,879 Speaker 5: were sixteen. 2066 01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:59,519 Speaker 2: Fantastic we were at sixteen. Good for you. 2067 01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:02,640 Speaker 4: I think we can all agree in this room that 2068 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:06,639 Speaker 4: the mid eighties was one of the greatest times in music. 2069 01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:08,599 Speaker 2: What were you listening to in nineteen eighty four? 2070 01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,800 Speaker 5: Do you know what? What fore was great? 2071 01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:13,280 Speaker 16: What? 2072 01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:22,000 Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty four was a great year? Album? Yeah, there 2073 01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:25,000 Speaker 5: was simple I mean I was more always more of 2074 01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,439 Speaker 5: an album guy than a singles guy. Yeah. Yeah, I 2075 01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,559 Speaker 5: seem to recall Simple Minds had Sparkled in the Rain 2076 01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,880 Speaker 5: by Men, had Ocean Rain, Art of Noise, I think 2077 01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,200 Speaker 5: had their first Frankie Ghost of Hollywood. 2078 01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I spent the whole year and Frankie says, relaxed 2079 01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,160 Speaker 4: T shirt dragons go to war. 2080 01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:43,880 Speaker 2: I'm not going to drag it off with a wash it. 2081 01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:49,840 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I mean it wasn't an amazing year. I 2082 01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:53,759 Speaker 5: think I think you two had unforgettable. The Smiths released 2083 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:54,320 Speaker 5: two albums. 2084 01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,959 Speaker 2: They were were going to hurry, they were prolifically. 2085 01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:02,080 Speaker 5: Yes, it was. It was incredible and for us, okay 2086 01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:03,479 Speaker 5: it was. It was a year that we kind of 2087 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,400 Speaker 5: went few. Okay, we had it one all with the 2088 01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:08,120 Speaker 5: last album, but we haven't hit again now. Yeah. 2089 01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,559 Speaker 2: But I mean you mentioned eighties albums are bigg your 2090 01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,880 Speaker 2: pardon and you know kiss today, I just don't know 2091 01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,160 Speaker 2: the value of the album getting the album on Christmas 2092 01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:19,680 Speaker 2: Day and you spend the whole day lying on your 2093 01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,719 Speaker 2: stomach in the in the lounge room reading the album 2094 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,640 Speaker 2: cover across you know, the beginning to the end, and 2095 01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,800 Speaker 2: the album told a story. It was incredible. I think 2096 01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:30,720 Speaker 2: that's so sad. 2097 01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very different way of most people get 2098 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:40,559 Speaker 5: their music in a very different way. Vinyl has made 2099 01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:44,040 Speaker 5: a comeback, Oh yeah, because I think people do like 2100 01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:47,479 Speaker 5: the big sleeve, reading all the stuff. And I used 2101 01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,840 Speaker 5: to love getting a particular I used to go to 2102 01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:52,800 Speaker 5: Liverpool and buy a German import albums. There were things 2103 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,080 Speaker 5: that really influencing when I was a teenager, and I 2104 01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,479 Speaker 5: loved sitting on the train on the way home opening 2105 01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,160 Speaker 5: it all up, getting you know, trying to read did 2106 01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,200 Speaker 5: it is in German? I'd learned during the school and 2107 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,320 Speaker 5: it's just it was excited. It was kind of like 2108 01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:07,559 Speaker 5: it was before play on the train on the way home, 2109 01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:09,080 Speaker 5: before you got it on the Turkey. 2110 01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:11,879 Speaker 2: Wasn't. 2111 01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:15,360 Speaker 3: With the place albums and all the way home I'm 2112 01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,160 Speaker 3: talking to sounds good and president again. 2113 01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:22,200 Speaker 2: The Polace album it was good. Hey Andy? Who you 2114 01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,000 Speaker 2: and Paul who was the tikie one? Who's the tech 2115 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:24,920 Speaker 2: guy out of the two of you. 2116 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:31,240 Speaker 5: Paul is a technically and I'm the art and history guy. Okay, 2117 01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,320 Speaker 5: so I'm the one that writes all the historical words. 2118 01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,600 Speaker 5: Paul is the one who has to take all of 2119 01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,320 Speaker 5: my weird ideas and then make and mix them to 2120 01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,200 Speaker 5: make him sound right. I was supposed to go and 2121 01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:45,439 Speaker 5: do a fine art degree and he was supposed to 2122 01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:50,000 Speaker 5: go and work for British Telecom. I took the gap 2123 01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:53,920 Speaker 5: year and he lied to his mother and told her 2124 01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,120 Speaker 5: he got turned down for the job so he could 2125 01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:59,800 Speaker 5: stay around for a year and if she had found 2126 01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:01,760 Speaker 5: she would have killed Yeah. 2127 01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,880 Speaker 2: That's so. Do we blame him for talking you with that? 2128 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:06,760 Speaker 3: You guys blowing a fair light for as much as 2129 01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,040 Speaker 3: a small apartment in London, because those things are. 2130 01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,160 Speaker 5: Ran out aloud. Do you know what when we tho 2131 01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:15,439 Speaker 5: it was Australia that had to be good it Yeah, yes, 2132 01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:21,400 Speaker 5: we're talking here about the first kind of computer synthesizer 2133 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,400 Speaker 5: machine that you could program and write on. And yeah, 2134 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,519 Speaker 5: we bought one in nineteen eighty three. It was it 2135 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:29,720 Speaker 5: was the one that we made the junk culture out 2136 01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:32,640 Speaker 5: at the end of at the end of eighty three 2137 01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:36,760 Speaker 5: into eighty four, we were using the Fairlights and my 2138 01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,600 Speaker 5: parents were thinking of selling their house and it was 2139 01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:44,400 Speaker 5: valued at twenty four thousand pounds. That's what the fair 2140 01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:45,200 Speaker 5: Lark cost us. 2141 01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:49,880 Speaker 2: Wow, wow, wow, good investment in the future. I'm sure 2142 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:50,160 Speaker 2: you think. 2143 01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,520 Speaker 5: Do you know what now Paul has a fair light 2144 01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:58,480 Speaker 5: and all of the samples in an app on his phone, 2145 01:54:58,640 --> 01:54:59,880 Speaker 5: costing forty nine dollars. 2146 01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,480 Speaker 4: Well, you are coming to Perth in next February? Were 2147 01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,280 Speaker 4: the greatest hits tour? Why on earth have you not 2148 01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:13,879 Speaker 4: toured Australia in thirty seven years? Seven? 2149 01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:15,160 Speaker 2: We blame the kids? 2150 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,360 Speaker 5: What is with them? No, I can't blame this. Well, 2151 01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:21,000 Speaker 5: if we were supposed to come with our friend's Simple 2152 01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,200 Speaker 5: Minds in twenty twenty and twenty twenty. 2153 01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,760 Speaker 2: One, well I forget it. 2154 01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:32,840 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so that was that wasn't great, But the 2155 01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:36,480 Speaker 5: issue was just you know, you've got to wait until 2156 01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:41,600 Speaker 5: you find a promoter that believes you can sell the tickets. So, 2157 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,640 Speaker 5: blessed to Stroyer Lines, they invited us to come. We've 2158 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:48,400 Speaker 5: been working on this friends, and finally finally we're getting 2159 01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:51,440 Speaker 5: over there. Yeah, we're playing. We've a readil Auditorium on 2160 01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:55,840 Speaker 5: feb twelfth and and not waigh, Yeah, we can't wait 2161 01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:56,240 Speaker 5: to have you. 2162 01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,760 Speaker 3: I might have a mite from Bunbury, so the south 2163 01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:01,920 Speaker 3: of US, and he saw you guys in Bunbury at 2164 01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,160 Speaker 3: a pub at a venue down there in the eighties 2165 01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:05,920 Speaker 3: when you were here, and he said that there was 2166 01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:07,520 Speaker 3: a black box in the middle of the stage and 2167 01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:11,400 Speaker 3: I guess that was Winston Memories the last time you 2168 01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:12,240 Speaker 3: were here in Australia. 2169 01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:18,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, it's so long ago, it's just incredible. 2170 01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:22,720 Speaker 5: But you know, the nice thing is that the ticket 2171 01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,960 Speaker 5: sales have been very positive, so we are you know, 2172 01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,560 Speaker 5: it's exciting because we've waited for so long to come 2173 01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,840 Speaker 5: down there. When we get there, we just said forget it. 2174 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,640 Speaker 5: We're not we're not going to play the new album. 2175 01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:37,200 Speaker 5: We're not going to play this, We're not going to 2176 01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,400 Speaker 5: play that. We're just going to play every downhead single week. 2177 01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:44,680 Speaker 3: Got yeah, And you must both be aware of the 2178 01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,640 Speaker 3: love for you guys in Australia. It's always been there. 2179 01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,280 Speaker 5: Do you know what? Every time I look at something, 2180 01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:52,400 Speaker 5: when we put something on Facebook or Instagram or social media, 2181 01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,640 Speaker 5: there's so many people from Australia posting al saying the 2182 01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:03,080 Speaker 5: same thing. When you're coming down so finally, finally everybody 2183 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:05,960 Speaker 5: was put out their misery and it's been wonderful. So 2184 01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:09,840 Speaker 5: I cannot wait to come over there. And actually the 2185 01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,640 Speaker 5: great thing is we start in Perth. Yes, so I'm 2186 01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,920 Speaker 5: gonna I'm going to come in a week early and 2187 01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,200 Speaker 5: have a holiday because I had to get over my jaag. 2188 01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:25,520 Speaker 4: Yes, bring the best beaches, We've got the best wines. 2189 01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,440 Speaker 4: We got so I feel like that's out of that now. 2190 01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,520 Speaker 4: You touched a moment ago on Atomic Kitten. This was 2191 01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:35,080 Speaker 4: huge because this was in nineteen ninety eight. 2192 01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:37,200 Speaker 5: It was sort of the height to rephrase that I 2193 01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:38,200 Speaker 5: never touched from your on. 2194 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:46,000 Speaker 2: Before the days. On the subject of Atomic Kitten. 2195 01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,840 Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety eight, it was the height of the boy 2196 01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:51,960 Speaker 4: band girl band thing, and you co founded this pop group, 2197 01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,840 Speaker 4: serving as songwriter and producer. Their Songhole Again, was your 2198 01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:59,000 Speaker 4: first number one song on the UK Singles charts. It 2199 01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:02,200 Speaker 4: was nominated for an I Born Novello Award and brit 2200 01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:03,480 Speaker 4: Awards for Song of the Year. 2201 01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:07,840 Speaker 2: It was huge. How was that experience that whole time? 2202 01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,440 Speaker 5: To know what I waited till I was in my 2203 01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:17,480 Speaker 5: mid thirties to have a number one with three attractive 2204 01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,640 Speaker 5: teenage girls I really should have done that earlier, shouldn't, 2205 01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:26,560 Speaker 5: I know, thinking into music with glos you know. It was, 2206 01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:30,400 Speaker 5: it was, it was. It was a wonderful little kind 2207 01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:34,920 Speaker 5: of left herman lateral move. I had retired, so I 2208 01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,520 Speaker 5: was conceited enough to still think I could write songs. 2209 01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:39,680 Speaker 5: It was just a vehicle that was considered past it 2210 01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,840 Speaker 5: cell by day because I was really old, because I 2211 01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:51,600 Speaker 5: was thirty six. I met, I met a friend introduced 2212 01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,760 Speaker 5: me to carry on incident. She is going to be 2213 01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:57,520 Speaker 5: famous and putting a band together around her. She's going 2214 01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:01,560 Speaker 5: to be famous. So yeah, it was, it was. It 2215 01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,680 Speaker 5: was incredible. I thought I knew the music industry, having 2216 01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,680 Speaker 5: been in it myself for about eighteen years, but the 2217 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:12,680 Speaker 5: manufactured pop end of the music industry was a very 2218 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:17,960 Speaker 5: different beast. Yes, shall we say very weird, but it was. 2219 01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:18,400 Speaker 14: It was. 2220 01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:19,680 Speaker 5: It was a fun few years. 2221 01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:20,960 Speaker 15: Absolutely amazing time. 2222 01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:23,520 Speaker 3: Amazing when someone could spot someone who's going to be famous, 2223 01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:25,240 Speaker 3: like they did in the Blitz Club in the late 2224 01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:27,360 Speaker 3: seventies early eighties, when someone saw Shad that. 2225 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:29,000 Speaker 2: Kind of thing and you just know they're going to 2226 01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,640 Speaker 2: be a start. You know they're going to be a 2227 01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:31,600 Speaker 2: s that sound real. 2228 01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I just only this the second. The second, 2229 01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:39,160 Speaker 5: I mean it was. She had the sameest interview technique 2230 01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:42,840 Speaker 5: I've ever had him ever encountered in my She walked 2231 01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:46,000 Speaker 5: in first. Do you want to see my top of photograph? 2232 01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:47,840 Speaker 7: Really? 2233 01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,120 Speaker 5: Yeah? Surely for research. 2234 01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:54,600 Speaker 7: I'll have a. 2235 01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:59,560 Speaker 2: Saying fox, but it makes you feel better. Here's a look. 2236 02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:04,880 Speaker 5: Well she was seventeen, she wanted to be a Page 2237 02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:12,960 Speaker 5: three models. Well, she couldn't do it until she was eighteen, 2238 02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:14,760 Speaker 5: so I said, give me a year, let me make it. 2239 02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, very good. 2240 02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:19,200 Speaker 4: A little frightening though that you want to be a 2241 02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:21,920 Speaker 4: page three girl above bigger pop star though, But anyway, 2242 02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,839 Speaker 4: I think she hadn't listened. 2243 02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:29,040 Speaker 5: What what can I well say? I managed to manage 2244 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:29,960 Speaker 5: to make her a pop star? 2245 02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Is well done? Those beautiful melodies and things that you've 2246 02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:35,720 Speaker 2: just come out of your brain? Love it. 2247 02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,800 Speaker 4: There's a question we like to ask Andy, do you 2248 02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:40,560 Speaker 4: remember the first time you heard yourself on the radio? 2249 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:41,880 Speaker 15: I actually do. 2250 02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:42,440 Speaker 2: Yes. 2251 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:48,840 Speaker 5: We got in the car our manager also, as well 2252 02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,720 Speaker 5: as having to take record on the van, we got 2253 02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:54,120 Speaker 5: in his van, spending the early part of the evening 2254 02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:57,000 Speaker 5: recording and his recording studio in his galant so we 2255 02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:59,000 Speaker 5: had one of those as well, taking a third box. 2256 02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:03,280 Speaker 5: We were all, we were all, we were all nineteen 2257 02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:06,200 Speaker 5: at the time, you know. And we got in the 2258 02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:09,360 Speaker 5: car and we drove off again to the pub. Electricity 2259 02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:12,280 Speaker 5: came on and we just assumed it was a cassette 2260 02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:14,920 Speaker 5: in the car. Right at the end of this and this, 2261 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,840 Speaker 5: this DJ called Phil Easton tells you that was an 2262 02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,440 Speaker 5: electricity man called. We didn't make it to the Battle 2263 02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:23,520 Speaker 5: of the Band's final, but we thought we'd play it anyway. 2264 02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:26,560 Speaker 5: We sent him a tight months ago. We get on 2265 02:01:26,640 --> 02:01:28,440 Speaker 5: his Battle of the Anting on the local radio and 2266 02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:30,520 Speaker 5: we just I don't know how we didn't grass, We 2267 02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,280 Speaker 5: couldn't delivered it that. 2268 02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:37,160 Speaker 2: Love it. 2269 02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:40,360 Speaker 3: We know you're a you're not a fighter, but if 2270 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:41,680 Speaker 3: you had to get in the ring, who would you 2271 02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:44,080 Speaker 3: rather take on? Simon kel or Philip Ookey from the 2272 02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:44,680 Speaker 3: Human Labe. 2273 02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:48,600 Speaker 5: Well, since people have been telling me for years and 2274 02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:52,360 Speaker 5: years and years that phil Oaky and I don't get on, 2275 02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:54,640 Speaker 5: so when I find it took me. It took me 2276 02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:57,280 Speaker 5: until about five years ago to finally meet. So why 2277 02:01:57,400 --> 02:01:59,680 Speaker 5: we never met her? I walked straight off to the 2278 02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:09,920 Speaker 5: went put out my hand on phill probably say Simon 2279 02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:14,680 Speaker 5: Carl Simon, Yeah, really definitely Simon cow for all that 2280 02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:20,320 Speaker 5: horrible music, he is inflicted terrible reality. Yeah. 2281 02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't say that about Phil because he's will 2282 02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:25,480 Speaker 2: fill still on the right door. 2283 02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:28,720 Speaker 5: No, listen, the Human League have got an amazing col 2284 02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:30,400 Speaker 5: I love the Humanly. 2285 02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:32,520 Speaker 2: I heard them four was four years ago there in person, 2286 02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:38,480 Speaker 2: his voices. It's mint that's I mean, yeah, no, they 2287 02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:39,240 Speaker 2: can still sing. 2288 02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:42,680 Speaker 5: They put on a great show and it's yeah. 2289 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:43,760 Speaker 6: So it was. 2290 02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:47,640 Speaker 5: We finally left after twenty years unbelievable. 2291 02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:51,200 Speaker 4: Well, we can't wait to see you after almost forty years, 2292 02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:53,160 Speaker 4: thirty seven years since you've been here, but back in 2293 02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:56,600 Speaker 4: February for the greatest Hits to Orchestral Maneuvers in the 2294 02:02:56,760 --> 02:03:00,720 Speaker 4: dark Red Hill Auditorium on February twelve. Tickets are available 2295 02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:04,839 Speaker 4: through ticketech right now. Andy McClusky has been a pleasure. 2296 02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:09,520 Speaker 5: Thank you both very very much. I'll see you going. 2297 02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,520 Speaker 2: Probably talk till twenty eighty four. So we've b better 2298 02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:14,200 Speaker 2: wrap it up. Yeah, all the best and bring your 2299 02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:19,000 Speaker 2: brothers Andy, bring your bathers. Bye, says thank goodbye. More 2300 02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:22,560 Speaker 2: Clezy more Lisa, more podcasts soon. 2301 02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:30,400 Speaker 3: Look, we've been talking to people about this incredible year 2302 02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:31,520 Speaker 3: least nineteen eighty four. 2303 02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:32,680 Speaker 2: What an exciting year. 2304 02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:34,920 Speaker 3: It was all run exciting year for one of our 2305 02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:37,400 Speaker 3: finest in excess of course, with that Swing album going 2306 02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:39,760 Speaker 3: number one here, but the band right on the verge 2307 02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:42,640 Speaker 3: of taking over US chart domination and around the world 2308 02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:44,520 Speaker 3: as well level and the man who wrote so many 2309 02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:48,000 Speaker 3: of those wonderful songs with his mate Michael Hutchins Andrew Farraseay, 2310 02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:49,320 Speaker 3: real pleasure to talk to you. 2311 02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:52,600 Speaker 15: And Hi Clerzi, Hi Lisa, how are you very well? 2312 02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:57,120 Speaker 2: First vol Can you believe it's been forty years? 2313 02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:03,240 Speaker 15: Sure, yeah, I can because one of my daughters married 2314 02:04:04,520 --> 02:04:08,240 Speaker 15: at the time where we lived, and yeah, about two 2315 02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:11,000 Speaker 15: weeks ago, and I was kind of in shock with 2316 02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:13,960 Speaker 15: all that. Can't believe we're that wamp. But it's all 2317 02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:18,200 Speaker 15: good actually, And we did so much together as a 2318 02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:22,120 Speaker 15: band in excess amazing during not just during eighty four 2319 02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:22,920 Speaker 15: but before, and. 2320 02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:29,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, wella eighty four was the year you released the Swing, 2321 02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:33,320 Speaker 4: had your first number one with Original Sin, found international fame, 2322 02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:35,360 Speaker 4: and went on a NonStop tour of Europe, the UK, 2323 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:36,520 Speaker 4: the US and Australia. 2324 02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:39,120 Speaker 2: It really was the year it sort of all went 2325 02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:40,320 Speaker 2: to another level, don't you think. 2326 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:43,879 Speaker 15: Absolutely Well, the first two in excess albums we released 2327 02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,960 Speaker 15: I Think of you Know, which I think was around 2328 02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:50,680 Speaker 15: about nineteen eighty the first album came out, and then 2329 02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:53,520 Speaker 15: those first two albums really more like a soundtrack for 2330 02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:56,920 Speaker 15: our live shows in some ways, it was almost funny. 2331 02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,240 Speaker 15: We sort of we used to think, oh, well, live 2332 02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:02,680 Speaker 15: audience this as opposed to you know, radio people like this, 2333 02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:07,480 Speaker 15: you know. But then the third album, which came out 2334 02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,880 Speaker 15: in nineteen eighty three or late eighty two, I think 2335 02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,720 Speaker 15: it was, had two top forty hits in the US 2336 02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:18,520 Speaker 15: as well, which was Don't Change and the One Thing, 2337 02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:21,680 Speaker 15: and Bruce Prinsteen covered Don't Change when he came out 2338 02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:23,440 Speaker 15: to Australia for Form. 2339 02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:24,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 2340 02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:28,720 Speaker 15: But eighty four, So eighty four rolled around, and well, 2341 02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:30,920 Speaker 15: before I'll go back to eighty three, we had that 2342 02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:34,560 Speaker 15: success in America and other places in the world in 2343 02:05:34,680 --> 02:05:40,600 Speaker 15: eighty three, but mainly with Original Sin, which we recorded 2344 02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:43,400 Speaker 15: with Neil Rodgers back then in New York. And then 2345 02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:47,800 Speaker 15: so as eighty four rolled around, we realized we were 2346 02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:51,560 Speaker 15: promoting that work that we've been doing for the Swing 2347 02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:54,680 Speaker 15: and you know that. Yeah, and we recorded the rest 2348 02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:58,200 Speaker 15: of the Swing in England, actually in Hidlington. 2349 02:05:58,280 --> 02:06:03,720 Speaker 7: I think it was in the manor which is Richard Branson. 2350 02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:05,520 Speaker 7: He was living there while we were recording there. 2351 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:06,520 Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, and. 2352 02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:11,560 Speaker 15: You know, so we actually tracked the album that swing 2353 02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:16,000 Speaker 15: mostly in the UK, but also in New York. 2354 02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unreal. 2355 02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:20,040 Speaker 3: And then you have things like Daryl Hall just happened 2356 02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:21,480 Speaker 3: to be down the Hall and came in and did 2357 02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:24,480 Speaker 3: some vocals for when you're working with Nile that was 2358 02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:27,200 Speaker 3: that was these are incredible times what was going on? 2359 02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,200 Speaker 3: And like you say that should Bush bart with that 2360 02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:31,760 Speaker 3: incredible success and then this album setting you up for 2361 02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:33,720 Speaker 3: what was to come with listen like for you later? 2362 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Did you get to enjoy it? Andrew? Are you working 2363 02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:36,760 Speaker 2: so bloody hard? 2364 02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:37,720 Speaker 15: You know? 2365 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:39,360 Speaker 7: I'm odd like that. 2366 02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:43,720 Speaker 15: I like working bloody hard and I'm not a lazy person, 2367 02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:46,160 Speaker 15: but that can be bad and good for me. But 2368 02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:48,960 Speaker 15: I liked the challenge musically of it all. 2369 02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:52,080 Speaker 5: I think we all did. I think we really enjoyed it. 2370 02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,600 Speaker 7: And I think if I can just connect. 2371 02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:57,800 Speaker 5: The Daryl Hall part of it, Daryll wasn't living down 2372 02:06:57,840 --> 02:06:59,560 Speaker 5: the hall. What happened was. 2373 02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:02,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. 2374 02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:06,920 Speaker 15: Niel Rotch is the record producer on Original Sin. He 2375 02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:10,440 Speaker 15: was an all first and awesome talented man and great 2376 02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:15,040 Speaker 15: record producer. But secondly, I was staying there holding the 2377 02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:17,640 Speaker 15: chord chart for him that I've written, and I was 2378 02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:20,720 Speaker 15: twenty three years of age holding this thing, and I've 2379 02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:23,840 Speaker 15: written the guitar riffs and chords and things, and Michael 2380 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:27,280 Speaker 15: at the melody and a lyric of that song. But 2381 02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:29,760 Speaker 15: I was standing there hold in this court chard for 2382 02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:34,320 Speaker 15: no really nervous. And we've actually recorded that take of 2383 02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:37,680 Speaker 15: Original Sin. It was a third take, so we only 2384 02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:41,040 Speaker 15: done three passes, and he was happy with the third one. 2385 02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:44,400 Speaker 7: Which shares a lot for us as a live act, if. 2386 02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,240 Speaker 15: I can say as well. But what happened was we 2387 02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,520 Speaker 15: were doing backing vocals and we were trying to do 2388 02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:53,160 Speaker 15: a sort of a I don't know, a soul kind 2389 02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:56,360 Speaker 15: of thing in the background, and he listened to and 2390 02:07:57,080 --> 02:07:59,240 Speaker 15: he was cool. You know, he's a good guy. He said, 2391 02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:02,440 Speaker 15: look like these, but I can't make a telephone call. 2392 02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:05,040 Speaker 15: And we were like, sure, it's your studio, you know. 2393 02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:06,520 Speaker 7: So he calls up. 2394 02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:08,800 Speaker 15: Darryl, and Darrel walks to the door and I turned around. 2395 02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:10,800 Speaker 15: I was like, well, that's that's interesting. 2396 02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:11,880 Speaker 9: Telephone book. 2397 02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:12,840 Speaker 5: You got right there. 2398 02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:16,280 Speaker 15: You know, and you know, and he walks in starts 2399 02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:19,480 Speaker 15: saying and he was. He was an absolutely brilliant guy 2400 02:08:19,560 --> 02:08:23,120 Speaker 15: as well, a very friendly and no attitude at all, 2401 02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:27,120 Speaker 15: just a real consummate professional. And then he left and 2402 02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:29,960 Speaker 15: I remember taking the recording of Originals and back to 2403 02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:34,480 Speaker 15: my hotel room in Midtown Manhattan and put it on 2404 02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:38,960 Speaker 15: in the hotel room and I thought, what, Neurf's this? 2405 02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:40,360 Speaker 15: What do we just record? 2406 02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:41,880 Speaker 5: You know? Yeah? 2407 02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:42,880 Speaker 7: And it blew me away. 2408 02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,000 Speaker 15: You know, it still dos always years later. I mean, 2409 02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:50,560 Speaker 15: unfortunately Jason Cassaro, who was the recording engineer, he's passed 2410 02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:54,000 Speaker 15: away since. And but you know, Nile and Jason did 2411 02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,160 Speaker 15: an awesome job in a band. 2412 02:08:56,040 --> 02:08:58,840 Speaker 2: Of course, a beautiful soul voice of Beryl. 2413 02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:02,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk about it being recorded in the UK 2414 02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:05,840 Speaker 4: in Islington, but it was. It had a huge success 2415 02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,400 Speaker 4: around the world, number one in Australia, number one in 2416 02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:10,240 Speaker 4: Argentina and France, six in New Zealand. 2417 02:09:10,240 --> 02:09:12,280 Speaker 2: The list goes on. But it was kind of ignored 2418 02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:14,800 Speaker 2: in the UK. What do you think that was about? 2419 02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:20,160 Speaker 7: Potentially, because Original Sin, to me when it came out, 2420 02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:25,560 Speaker 7: was not like anything else that all the bands of 2421 02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,640 Speaker 7: our era, if you like, we're all doing. It wasn't 2422 02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:30,120 Speaker 7: sort of a new new way. 2423 02:09:30,240 --> 02:09:32,760 Speaker 15: It was really you know, it was anything like it. 2424 02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:36,720 Speaker 15: And the lyric wasn't a nice, tidy, little pop lyric 2425 02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:38,560 Speaker 15: that you go like this, somm and. 2426 02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:43,040 Speaker 7: Dad like this, and it wasn't like that. It was 2427 02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:46,120 Speaker 7: a bit confronting, especially for people at radio. But I 2428 02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:48,879 Speaker 7: think that goes to show you a lot about Australian 2429 02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,480 Speaker 7: radio back in back in those years. 2430 02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:57,320 Speaker 3: That were open mind, honest, absolutely, and the UK thing 2431 02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:00,400 Speaker 3: changed by the time Wembley came around, because took six 2432 02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:02,720 Speaker 3: or seven years and they were men before that. 2433 02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:04,000 Speaker 2: Man, they loved the band, were they. 2434 02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,360 Speaker 15: Yeah, And then you know that's right, and we were 2435 02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:11,680 Speaker 15: touring constantly and you know, working like crazy. But it 2436 02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:14,680 Speaker 15: was exciting, you know, and we could we could see 2437 02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:17,960 Speaker 15: we could see that I had to put it. But 2438 02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:21,480 Speaker 15: back then you didn't spend your time looking at flat screens. 2439 02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:24,400 Speaker 15: You know, you got out there and you did it 2440 02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:26,960 Speaker 15: physically most of the time. You got out there around 2441 02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:30,480 Speaker 15: around and it wasn't done all online and everything, and 2442 02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:32,880 Speaker 15: so I think that was a very important part of 2443 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:35,520 Speaker 15: it too, where for young guys running around doing all 2444 02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:37,840 Speaker 15: this stuff, it was exciting, you know, well. 2445 02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:41,080 Speaker 4: The Swing one, Most Popular Group and Best Album. Well 2446 02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:43,040 Speaker 4: you won most Popular Group and the Swing one. Best 2447 02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:46,680 Speaker 4: Album at the Countdown Awards that year was that. Can 2448 02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:47,280 Speaker 4: you remember? 2449 02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:55,440 Speaker 7: Count almost? 2450 02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:59,680 Speaker 15: But it was it was like that, Yeah, And I 2451 02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:02,560 Speaker 15: think that's another thing too. You had, instead of the 2452 02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:06,120 Speaker 15: television getting involved with the music industry and putting the 2453 02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:09,320 Speaker 15: lead singers in front of curtains, which is what it 2454 02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:13,120 Speaker 15: is now. You know, they hats off to the ABC 2455 02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:17,400 Speaker 15: and Molly because they were promoting not just oddy music, 2456 02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:22,520 Speaker 15: but introducing international music with people playing live on television. 2457 02:11:22,600 --> 02:11:24,240 Speaker 7: And I looked back at that and I think, you know, 2458 02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:27,000 Speaker 7: when there was a groundbreaking. 2459 02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and just you. 2460 02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:34,480 Speaker 15: Know fear, you know, it was sort of like, you know, 2461 02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:37,400 Speaker 15: it's so hard to imagine now everything's so you know. 2462 02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:42,760 Speaker 4: Santo, Yeah, it Countdown was an institute so awful to 2463 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,600 Speaker 4: wasn't It was everything And of course. 2464 02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:46,960 Speaker 2: We didn't have that, you know, only had a couple 2465 02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:47,560 Speaker 2: of choices. 2466 02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:49,600 Speaker 10: You know. 2467 02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:52,680 Speaker 15: I think I think I can remember not just younger people, 2468 02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:59,720 Speaker 15: but families would sit around and walk. Yeah, and that 2469 02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:01,640 Speaker 15: part of the beltiy of all that was going on 2470 02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:05,960 Speaker 15: forty years ago, I was really downbreaking, actually, but I 2471 02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:08,200 Speaker 15: look at all out of fire, I think for an excess. 2472 02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:15,560 Speaker 15: I think it was particularly you know, really fantastic to 2473 02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:19,040 Speaker 15: get that chart success obviously at home in Australia, but 2474 02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:23,480 Speaker 15: also in what i'd call new territories, which were You've 2475 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,920 Speaker 15: got to kind of understand this a little bit, is 2476 02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:29,800 Speaker 15: that places like South America you were talking about, Argentina 2477 02:12:30,120 --> 02:12:34,800 Speaker 15: and other places like that, even Japan to a certain extent, 2478 02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:38,360 Speaker 15: you know where We've made a couple of videos forward 2479 02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:42,920 Speaker 15: to Swing in Japan. We shot the video for Original 2480 02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,760 Speaker 15: Sin on a wharf in Toko, and then we went 2481 02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:51,360 Speaker 15: to the famous old Buddhist you thousands years old temple 2482 02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:54,720 Speaker 15: in the middle of Tokyo to shoot I send a message, 2483 02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:58,680 Speaker 15: and all that experience was sort of leading somewhere for us. 2484 02:12:58,760 --> 02:12:58,920 Speaker 5: Well. 2485 02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:02,080 Speaker 15: We began to get the idea that it's not just 2486 02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:05,080 Speaker 15: having success at home and a slap on the back 2487 02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:07,480 Speaker 15: and playing a good gig. 2488 02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:07,800 Speaker 5: Shure. 2489 02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:10,680 Speaker 15: That's great, but it was we began to realize that 2490 02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:13,280 Speaker 15: we were on the edge of doing something a bit bigger, 2491 02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:17,000 Speaker 15: and we could keep If we kept doing what we 2492 02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:20,840 Speaker 15: were doing and didn't let up and kept going, we 2493 02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:22,360 Speaker 15: might go somewhere really interesting. 2494 02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:25,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's exactly what happened, and that really 2495 02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:28,080 Speaker 4: sums up nineteen eighty four because one of the first 2496 02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,080 Speaker 4: shows you did in nineteen eighty four was it The 2497 02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:35,840 Speaker 4: Generator in Morlands. Next minute you're on the road doing 2498 02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:39,120 Speaker 4: a full world tour and then came back and wrapped 2499 02:13:39,160 --> 02:13:43,240 Speaker 4: it up with some shows at the Entertainment Center in September. 2500 02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean, that's quite the juxtap thank. 2501 02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:50,160 Speaker 5: You, I get it. 2502 02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,800 Speaker 15: I mean we'd been playing around in the late seventies 2503 02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:57,280 Speaker 15: as the Faris Brothers in West Australia. Actually we ran 2504 02:13:57,400 --> 02:14:01,320 Speaker 15: out of gigs to play because think the promoters didn't 2505 02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:04,120 Speaker 15: want us to play our own songs. They wanted us 2506 02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:07,000 Speaker 15: to play covers because to the bar. 2507 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:08,960 Speaker 2: Hotels. 2508 02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:12,560 Speaker 15: Right, So that's why we left Western Show, not because 2509 02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:14,960 Speaker 15: we didn't love being there, but because you know, that 2510 02:14:15,160 --> 02:14:17,080 Speaker 15: was what it was like back then. I hope it's 2511 02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:19,600 Speaker 15: not that way anymore, but that was what it was 2512 02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:22,040 Speaker 15: like back then, and so that's one of But all 2513 02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:24,360 Speaker 15: I can say is that shows you you've got when 2514 02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:27,560 Speaker 15: you when you set out to do the impossible, keep going. 2515 02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:28,560 Speaker 5: You just never know. 2516 02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:33,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you had a manager who was You're 2517 02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:35,360 Speaker 3: all on the same page weren't you because Murphy wanted 2518 02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:37,600 Speaker 3: to take you to the world and do everything it 2519 02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:39,360 Speaker 3: could to make you big stars. 2520 02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:41,520 Speaker 2: And it worked because we're on the same page. 2521 02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:44,160 Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I think we all worked to make 2522 02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:46,760 Speaker 15: us little big stars, I guess. But you know, it 2523 02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:50,280 Speaker 15: doesn't go down well in Australia. We really like to 2524 02:14:50,360 --> 02:14:53,120 Speaker 15: think I think you'd like to think of ourselves as 2525 02:14:53,160 --> 02:14:56,800 Speaker 15: a sporting nation first, you know, And we just had 2526 02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:00,400 Speaker 15: antacdoy go past, and we pay respect to obviously people 2527 02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:03,560 Speaker 15: who who did extraordinary things under. 2528 02:15:03,400 --> 02:15:04,200 Speaker 7: A huge pressure. 2529 02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:09,040 Speaker 15: To a certain degree, I'm also very proud of us 2530 02:15:09,320 --> 02:15:12,000 Speaker 15: as Australians doing what we were doing when we first 2531 02:15:12,080 --> 02:15:14,960 Speaker 15: went to the US in the early eighties. We go 2532 02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:17,560 Speaker 15: through radio stations and they go, you guys from. 2533 02:15:17,480 --> 02:15:20,240 Speaker 2: Austria, Austria, good luck. 2534 02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:22,920 Speaker 5: That's right, Yeah, that's good. 2535 02:15:23,680 --> 02:15:25,080 Speaker 2: This is before kro. 2536 02:15:27,200 --> 02:15:30,560 Speaker 15: Well ran about that time, and we got a request 2537 02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,960 Speaker 15: from Strop and Delving Delaney to go up to Kakadu 2538 02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:38,800 Speaker 15: where they were shooting the film Crocodile Dundee. So Michael 2539 02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:40,720 Speaker 15: and I thought out there and went out to the 2540 02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,480 Speaker 15: set and met those guys on the set, which is awesome, 2541 02:15:44,760 --> 02:15:48,480 Speaker 15: And I remember talking to Osla about crocodile's stuff, which 2542 02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:51,360 Speaker 15: I didn't know that much about then I still don't 2543 02:15:51,400 --> 02:15:57,680 Speaker 15: know that much about. But anyway, and thankfully and but yeah, 2544 02:15:57,760 --> 02:16:02,720 Speaker 15: it was. It was sort of really interesting time in 2545 02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:05,840 Speaker 15: not just for an excess but in the world. 2546 02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:06,960 Speaker 5: I think we had. 2547 02:16:07,400 --> 02:16:11,400 Speaker 15: I think it had people seriously trying to work towards 2548 02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:14,800 Speaker 15: if I can just go sideways from it, work towards 2549 02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:17,680 Speaker 15: peace in the world instead of other stuff. 2550 02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:20,440 Speaker 7: An interesting time. 2551 02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:25,560 Speaker 4: I think I think that that tall poppy syndrome that 2552 02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:29,400 Speaker 4: we were, you know, quite renowned for, is not as 2553 02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:32,680 Speaker 4: tall these days as it was. But at this time 2554 02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:36,280 Speaker 4: it was really peak and I never really understood it, 2555 02:16:36,400 --> 02:16:40,520 Speaker 4: and I always thought it must have been quite hurtful 2556 02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:45,800 Speaker 4: sometimes when it felt like people wanted people who were 2557 02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:48,280 Speaker 4: doing well to fail or try to bring them, yeah, 2558 02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:50,400 Speaker 4: to just try to bring them down, It's like, well, 2559 02:16:51,160 --> 02:16:53,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, it was that that Australian sort of. 2560 02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Thing of who do you think you are? Or you know, 2561 02:16:55,520 --> 02:16:58,120 Speaker 2: don't get too big for your boots. Do you find that? 2562 02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:00,200 Speaker 6: Yes? 2563 02:17:00,840 --> 02:17:03,680 Speaker 15: And but I'll say that with empathy to over Australian 2564 02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:06,800 Speaker 15: artists before and after us who've gone off to try 2565 02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:09,480 Speaker 15: and do similar things. A lot of it isn't a 2566 02:17:09,560 --> 02:17:11,760 Speaker 15: lot of them live overseas is exactly what you just. 2567 02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:15,640 Speaker 3: Said, absolutely, But you talked about your work ethic and 2568 02:17:15,879 --> 02:17:17,960 Speaker 3: not being afraid of hard work, in fact thriving on it. 2569 02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:20,480 Speaker 3: Would you have broken America? Do you think if you 2570 02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:23,120 Speaker 3: didn't do what you guys did, and that is relentless 2571 02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:25,560 Speaker 3: touring like Credit House and the Oils did just after 2572 02:17:25,640 --> 02:17:28,840 Speaker 3: you and the similar times, would that have happened for you? 2573 02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:31,880 Speaker 3: Or because Chisel didn't do it and they didn't break 2574 02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:32,520 Speaker 3: crack America. 2575 02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:34,760 Speaker 10: I won't be. 2576 02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:38,800 Speaker 15: Specific, but I think the best way I can say 2577 02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:42,160 Speaker 15: is I don't know that much about min Or or 2578 02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:46,640 Speaker 15: Credit Houses touring schedules during those years. I don't really know, 2579 02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:49,960 Speaker 15: to be honest, but I do know that it was 2580 02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:52,720 Speaker 15: really one of the things for an excess was we 2581 02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:55,680 Speaker 15: weren't the best band to come out of Australia. I 2582 02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:58,760 Speaker 15: think there are other amazing acts that had come around 2583 02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:01,120 Speaker 15: at the same time or tried to do what we 2584 02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:03,400 Speaker 15: were doing. But I think one of the things that 2585 02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:06,520 Speaker 15: really I give this respect to the guys in the band, 2586 02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:10,440 Speaker 15: our band any excess, is that we did whatever it 2587 02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:12,640 Speaker 15: took to do what we had to do and we 2588 02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:15,879 Speaker 15: didn't stop. And I think some of the other acts 2589 02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:18,600 Speaker 15: got freaked out at what that actually meant, because you 2590 02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:20,760 Speaker 15: didn't have a weekend with your mates, you didn't have 2591 02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:24,600 Speaker 15: a normal existence. You're away from your family, potentially your children, 2592 02:18:25,240 --> 02:18:27,480 Speaker 15: and you know, people who care about you love you. 2593 02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,240 Speaker 15: You will be away for a long time. And I 2594 02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:32,520 Speaker 15: suppose a little bit like what some people in our 2595 02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:35,480 Speaker 15: military have to go through. And I think that if 2596 02:18:35,560 --> 02:18:37,720 Speaker 15: you couldn't handle that, then you didn't do it and 2597 02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:38,680 Speaker 15: you went home again. 2598 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, more comfortable. Yeah, I have to ask what music 2599 02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:46,640 Speaker 2: were you listening to in nineteen eighty four? 2600 02:18:47,640 --> 02:18:51,320 Speaker 15: Interesting, Well, ironically, one of the albums I loved it 2601 02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:54,720 Speaker 15: came out around about them was Let's Dance because David 2602 02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:59,040 Speaker 15: Belly album because that had literally literally Nile Rogers and 2603 02:18:59,160 --> 02:19:03,800 Speaker 15: Jason bar his original sense. Bowie's gear was being humped 2604 02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:06,680 Speaker 15: out of the power station in New York and we 2605 02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:09,920 Speaker 15: moved our gear in the same day. So that was 2606 02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:13,720 Speaker 15: what was around. The clash was around like the early 2607 02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:17,240 Speaker 15: n Van Halen stuff with David Lee Roth and well, 2608 02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:19,640 Speaker 15: you know, there were so many amazing artists in that 2609 02:19:19,879 --> 02:19:24,920 Speaker 15: period of time and a different kind of energy to 2610 02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:29,800 Speaker 15: a lot of things you had. Also, by the early 2611 02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:33,039 Speaker 15: eighties you had a turn of the tide away from 2612 02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:35,680 Speaker 15: sort of punk and very agro rock. 2613 02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:37,520 Speaker 5: You had people re. 2614 02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:42,280 Speaker 15: Exploring other sort of styles of music and maybe I 2615 02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:45,720 Speaker 15: don't know, a bit more experimental things. Then you had 2616 02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:49,440 Speaker 15: the beginnings of what became you know, hip hop and 2617 02:19:49,640 --> 02:19:54,240 Speaker 15: rap and all kinds of diffusion of rock with hip 2618 02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:57,040 Speaker 15: hop and exciting things like that to me, which were 2619 02:19:57,160 --> 02:19:59,720 Speaker 15: really cool at the time because no one had tried 2620 02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:05,080 Speaker 15: any I'm like that putting like electronic music with electric guitars, 2621 02:20:05,080 --> 02:20:06,000 Speaker 15: and it was really good. 2622 02:20:07,440 --> 02:20:07,640 Speaker 2: Time. 2623 02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,400 Speaker 3: You mentioned Van Halen nineteen eighty four because Eddie was 2624 02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:12,200 Speaker 3: in great form of the guitar and they had an 2625 02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:13,680 Speaker 3: album called nineteen eighty four as well. 2626 02:20:14,480 --> 02:20:18,840 Speaker 2: Right there, exciting times, and so I just want to. 2627 02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,320 Speaker 15: Say as well, you know so, I think, yes, they 2628 02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:24,160 Speaker 15: were exciting times, but I think that the chart success 2629 02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:27,200 Speaker 15: we've had it kind of led on. It led on 2630 02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:31,760 Speaker 15: beautifully and segued into listen like these the album marketers. 2631 02:20:32,760 --> 02:20:35,640 Speaker 15: But that was really important too, because that gave us 2632 02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:39,160 Speaker 15: our first top five hit in the US and other 2633 02:20:39,240 --> 02:20:42,800 Speaker 15: places in the world, and we got attention in a 2634 02:20:42,879 --> 02:20:47,280 Speaker 15: different kind of way, but it was it was all 2635 02:20:47,879 --> 02:20:50,920 Speaker 15: pretty amazing. But I think the swing in particular in 2636 02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:54,199 Speaker 15: Australia seems to be in a very affectionate album for Australians, 2637 02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,640 Speaker 15: I think, yeah, you know, and it. 2638 02:20:56,760 --> 02:20:58,440 Speaker 7: Has some really I don't know what. 2639 02:20:59,080 --> 02:21:03,440 Speaker 15: Some of the songs are very broad, you know, some 2640 02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:06,200 Speaker 15: of some of us just good. Some of it's good 2641 02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:09,600 Speaker 15: sort of simple lyrics to understand, you know, some some 2642 02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:12,959 Speaker 15: pretty straightforward funk and pop and rock stuff. And then 2643 02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:16,720 Speaker 15: you know, but we weren't trying to change the world. 2644 02:21:16,959 --> 02:21:18,920 Speaker 15: That's the other thing, right, you know. We didn't have 2645 02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:22,920 Speaker 15: a soapbox and agenda. We were just sort of as songwriters, 2646 02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:26,680 Speaker 15: especially myself and Michael, we're always trying to reach a 2647 02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:30,320 Speaker 15: broad range of people. We didn't see it's only these people. 2648 02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:31,080 Speaker 5: That are cool, you know. 2649 02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:34,959 Speaker 7: Yeah, if anybody who likes your music, you're lucky. 2650 02:21:35,400 --> 02:21:35,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 2651 02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's only now that we know forty is down 2652 02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:38,560 Speaker 2: the track. 2653 02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:42,120 Speaker 4: It's being enjoyed by a second and then third generation 2654 02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:46,039 Speaker 4: equally as much as we did back in nineteen eighty four. 2655 02:21:46,240 --> 02:21:48,640 Speaker 2: So thank you for that. Yeah, thanks man. 2656 02:21:50,879 --> 02:21:53,360 Speaker 3: When nineteen year olds nowhere is when nineteen year old's 2657 02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:54,680 Speaker 3: talking to about bet Johnson's aeroplane. 2658 02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:57,320 Speaker 2: I go, well, that's that's my mark. That's very cool. 2659 02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:00,520 Speaker 15: I mean you should mention that I'm just going to 2660 02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:05,080 Speaker 15: shamelessly ad as well. I released my own self titled album. 2661 02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:06,960 Speaker 15: It took me a long time to get my act together. 2662 02:22:07,240 --> 02:22:10,600 Speaker 15: I'm still trying, but in twenty twenty one and then 2663 02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:14,760 Speaker 15: I'm working on my follow up at album. I put 2664 02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:18,320 Speaker 15: out an EP during COVID, which is just the whole 2665 02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:22,640 Speaker 15: experience is crazy. But I'm putting together another album right now. 2666 02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:24,880 Speaker 15: It's called The Prospector, and I aim to have it 2667 02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:27,640 Speaker 15: out this year at some point. And I'm also working 2668 02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:30,720 Speaker 15: on you know, most of the songs that I've recorded. 2669 02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:35,880 Speaker 15: I'm pretty happy with Beaga and I'd love to tour 2670 02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:40,720 Speaker 15: the West too. Yeah, I've been tearing in Australia on 2671 02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:44,600 Speaker 15: the east side of it live at the agencies. Keep 2672 02:22:44,680 --> 02:22:47,080 Speaker 15: throwing those gigs at us, which is great. But we've 2673 02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:49,320 Speaker 15: been We've played as far up as Cans in North 2674 02:22:49,400 --> 02:22:52,760 Speaker 15: Gwen's Lane down to Tazzy a few times now. So 2675 02:22:52,920 --> 02:22:56,080 Speaker 15: but I'm going to head West point, you know, when we're. 2676 02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:57,200 Speaker 2: All out the red carpet for. 2677 02:22:59,440 --> 02:22:59,760 Speaker 5: Paris. 2678 02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll we'll get you over here, get you home 2679 02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:04,360 Speaker 3: away from home. We get you a headlining a muster 2680 02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:05,879 Speaker 3: or something over here, man, that'd be great. 2681 02:23:07,080 --> 02:23:10,560 Speaker 2: Andrea lovely to reminisce about nineteen eighty four with you. Yeah. Thanks, 2682 02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:12,680 Speaker 2: and for your generosity of time, mate, we appreciate it. 2683 02:23:12,959 --> 02:23:16,120 Speaker 7: Yeah. And it's good that George Orwa's prediction didn't come true. 2684 02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:16,400 Speaker 6: Yeah. 2685 02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:23,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, you're right, it's not all the best crazy 2686 02:23:24,040 --> 02:23:24,680 Speaker 2: in Lisa