Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: guys to TV Reload. My name, as you may know,
Speaker 1: is Benjamin Norris, and this is your podcast to get
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Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to be chatting to this year's shock
Speaker 1: eliminated celebrity Ian Dicko Dixon from Network Tens. I'm a celebrity,
Speaker 1: Get me out of here. Ian Dixon is one of
Speaker 1: Australia's biggest TV personalities who has been asked every year
Speaker 1: to enter the jungle, and this year at Sea, the
Speaker 1: money was right and so the former shock judged a
Speaker 1: lighted fans by signing up and taking on the challenge.
Speaker 1: Dicko certainly opened up and spilled the beans throughout his
Speaker 1: jungle journey, and while I do think we got to
Speaker 1: see a new perspective on the man behind the headlines,
Speaker 1: he has been overshadowed by some of the other celebrities
Speaker 1: competing for that very coveted jungle crown. I will talk
Speaker 1: about that controversial spat between Kerry Ann and Dominica and
Speaker 1: get Dicko's perspective on what he thinks really went down.
Speaker 1: Dicko will also get a chance to respond to claims
Speaker 1: that happened this week that he tried to out Anthony
Speaker 1: Klear on Australian Idol. I will talk to Dicko about
Speaker 1: gameplay and if he thinks maybe acting up to the
Speaker 1: cameras could have backfired in the end. Plus, we will
Speaker 1: get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes if I'm
Speaker 1: a Celebrity twenty twenty three, which is absolutely delighting fans
Speaker 1: on Network ten, which you can now catch up on
Speaker 1: ten Play at your convenience. Anyway, let's bring Dicko into
Speaker 1: the podcast, and Hey, I really hope you enjoyed this
Speaker 1: revealing episode of TV reload. Good to see you. There
Speaker 1: you go, Ben, don't you think this is really funny?
Speaker 1: We have gone full circle and people are referring to
Speaker 1: your shock elimination as the Ricky Lee moment of the season.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm calling it, too, Like, Look, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I kind of realized I couldn't go deep into this
Speaker 2: show because I don't do social media. I've run away
Speaker 2: from TV a few years ago, and I'm an old kid,
Speaker 2: so I didn't think i'd go all the way. I
Speaker 2: thought I maybe have lasted one or two more shows.
Speaker 2: But to be honest, I'm quite had to go. All
Speaker 2: of those people in the jungle that are still there
Speaker 2: are fabulous, and there was a day, Look about four
Speaker 2: days ago, I hate a little bit of a rough
Speaker 2: patch and started to feel like I was out of
Speaker 2: my depth. But I didn't belong anymore. So maybe I've
Speaker 2: used up all of my energy in those early episodes
Speaker 2: and it was time to go. So I've got no problem,
Speaker 2: and I do leave with a huge sense of gratitude.
Speaker 2: And I feel super calm, so all he's good with
Speaker 2: the world. Ben.
Speaker 1: The last time that we spoke, we were talking about whether
Speaker 1: or not you would do the show, and you did
Speaker 1: say to me that the money has never been right,
Speaker 1: and they had asked you every year. So I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that this money was either catastrophic or you thought to yourself, hey,
Speaker 1: why not Australia misses me.
Speaker 2: So either they gave me a rockstar check or I've
Speaker 2: spent all my money on the Pokeys so and I'm
Speaker 2: hard up. No, look what it was. Something stirred in
Speaker 2: me this year and I thought, I've been spending the
Speaker 2: last six years trying to become a normal person again
Speaker 2: and wash the idea of fame out of my hair.
Speaker 2: And I think I've finally got to the point where
Speaker 2: I no longer require the validation of profile, and I
Speaker 2: can't really use it anymore because I just manage artists.
Speaker 2: Now I'm back in music and I'm loving what I'm
Speaker 2: doing it really, it makes me feel so grateful that
Speaker 2: these young artists allow me to drive their careers and
Speaker 2: it just fills me with so much joy that I
Speaker 2: just I don't need profile. I don't want it. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be on TV, and it's because I
Speaker 2: didn't need it. I thought it was safe to go
Speaker 2: back and do it, especially a show like this where
Speaker 2: I'm away from Australia, and because I'm on it and
Speaker 2: it's live, I don't need to watch it and see
Speaker 2: any of the press or any of the nonsense that
Speaker 2: goes with it. So it felt like the perfect opportunity
Speaker 2: to get away at Plus, there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of sharden for it inside of me that thought, how
Speaker 2: wonderful it would be for my artist to tune into
Speaker 2: the show on a Sunday night and go what he
Speaker 2: isn't a jungle? What a bastard he didn't tell us?
Speaker 2: So yeah, they would have been trying to wring me
Speaker 2: for days, not getting hold of me, working out ingenious
Speaker 2: ways to sack me, and then I end up in
Speaker 2: the jungle. So I can't wait to speak to them
Speaker 2: to see if I've been fired well.
Speaker 1: And now they need you more than ever. You know,
Speaker 1: you keep saying that you has been and all the
Speaker 1: rest of it, but you're still making news headlines. And coincidentally,
Speaker 1: yesterday before your shock elimination, there was a news article which,
Speaker 1: by the way, you and I were both in and
Speaker 1: it was about Anthony Klea. Have you read the newspaper
Speaker 1: since you did.
Speaker 2: Some I did some press when I got out of
Speaker 2: the show, and a few people brought up the fact
Speaker 2: that he referenced me for trying to out him on Australia.
Speaker 2: And look, the fact is I did it for the
Speaker 2: right reasons because I've always been I used to be
Speaker 2: called a fag hag. Now I think you use the
Speaker 2: term queer adjacent. And I've always enjoyed my sisters in
Speaker 2: the gay community. I've had I've always had special relationships.
Speaker 2: And also working with Simon Carr's boy band, there was
Speaker 2: always a gay guy that we had to keep quieting
Speaker 2: the boy band, but we managed that to make sure
Speaker 2: that they had enough sex and keep their private life,
Speaker 2: you know, to themselves, and keep their career going. So
Speaker 2: I felt that we were adept as an industry dealing
Speaker 2: with secretly at artists. So that's why I gave him
Speaker 2: the offer, and he, obviously, you know, he rejected that
Speaker 2: and said I'm not gay. And now he said that
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done it, And to be honest, he's right.
Speaker 2: I had no right. I've got no one's got any
Speaker 2: right to insist that someone should be at the closet
Speaker 2: let alone, a privileged white guy, white straight guy. And look,
Speaker 2: he came from the right. I felt it came from
Speaker 2: the heart and for the right reasons. But really he's
Speaker 2: right to call me out on it. It's no one's
Speaker 2: business but that person. And I'll take that on the chin.
Speaker 2: And he's he's absolutely right, you know, And I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that he's out in one of Australia's
Speaker 2: big gay power couples because him and Tim are amazing.
Speaker 2: They do a lot of great work, you know that
Speaker 2: they're fabulous together and Anthony's still kicking goals. But he's
Speaker 2: so much happier now being a gay man. And I
Speaker 2: guess that's why I was trying to tease him out
Speaker 2: a little earlier. But again it just wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 2: for me to do that. So he's he's absolutely right
Speaker 2: to call it out.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's fair enough for me to jump
Speaker 1: in and say I think of you as the og
Speaker 1: fanghag of Australia because I met you before I even
Speaker 1: had any notoriety at the Logis. One year with Mel
Speaker 1: your partner, and you know you didn't know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: she didn't know who I was. I didn't know who
Speaker 1: mel was. We just started talking at the bar and
Speaker 1: she just looked at me and she said, do you
Speaker 1: know who is going to love you?
Speaker 2: My partner?
Speaker 1: And dragged me over to you and then we stood
Speaker 1: there and had like a big chat. And like, you
Speaker 1: could not have been more supportive of the queer community
Speaker 1: back in the day, well before it was even popular
Speaker 1: to be an ally, you were so supportive.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look's when I was first in the record industry
Speaker 2: in London. I was at Sony Music and we had
Speaker 2: there was there was a there was a gang of
Speaker 2: gay guys who were just uber fabulous. They were always
Speaker 2: had the most outrageous rank sense of humor, they and
Speaker 2: they were just they they all pushed the party to
Speaker 2: new levels and I just was I just gravitated to
Speaker 2: this gang in a way that they are just opened
Speaker 2: to my eyes to so many things. And it was
Speaker 2: in the eighties and in the late eighties, and I
Speaker 2: lost two or three of them to eight and it
Speaker 2: was tragic, and I'm going to cry. It was a
Speaker 2: tough time. But through all of that, it was just
Speaker 2: a fabulous community finding its pride and I couldn't get
Speaker 2: enough of it. I could not get enough of it.
Speaker 2: And ever since, you know, it's just been it's been
Speaker 2: something I've always gravitated towards. I've got my girls have
Speaker 2: got so many gay uncles and they love that.
Speaker 1: And I always wanting to clear up because if anyone's
Speaker 1: looking for some clarity on the situation, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure there was something in the zeitgeist about
Speaker 1: how supportive you had been. And I knew quite a
Speaker 1: bit of your backstory because you shared it the first
Speaker 1: time that we ever spoke, and so so I know that,
Speaker 1: and so I just hope that people out there can
Speaker 1: see it, you know. I also I want I'll get
Speaker 1: to the jungle in a second, but I also want
Speaker 1: to ask you. Australian Idol it came back and we
Speaker 1: had the reboot of it, and I felt like it
Speaker 1: really did miss you and Marsha particularly. I think having
Speaker 1: Harry Connick Junior and Meghan Trainer I think was a
Speaker 1: bit of a mistake. I think it would have been
Speaker 1: better to have you and Marsha back. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that show and do you think It probably
Speaker 1: would have been more successful if we had the nostalgirama
Speaker 1: of having you back and seeing what you've been up
Speaker 1: to and how you fit into the media these days.
Speaker 2: Look, Ben, there's a lot from packing that question. Let's
Speaker 2: take this one by one. Firstly, they shouldn't have brought
Speaker 2: the show back. In my opinion, I think it was
Speaker 2: a mistake. I think they tried to reanimate a corpse
Speaker 2: but didn't want to be reanimated. The World's moved on.
Speaker 2: Idol was of its time and it was pretty special,
Speaker 2: but the World's moved on from there. And what made
Speaker 2: Idol special really was the fact that, you know, it
Speaker 2: was a slice of ritual humiliation as well as the
Speaker 2: celebration of talent. And if you're not going to invite
Speaker 2: the nutters and give them a bit of a dressing down,
Speaker 2: to be honest, that was part of its charm. I
Speaker 2: know it's not terribly politically correct to say that, but
Speaker 2: ritual humiliation was part of that format. And if it's
Speaker 2: not going to have that, it's just a poor it's
Speaker 2: a poor shadow of what it used to be. Now,
Speaker 2: should they have invited me, Mark and marsherback, or any
Speaker 2: of us, probably not they were banging the drums. Seven
Speaker 2: was about this being the youth format that was going
Speaker 2: to save their year or build their year. Are you
Speaker 2: really going to put two confused seventy year olds and
Speaker 2: a bitter and twisted sixty year old to front your
Speaker 2: youth format. I mean that's kind of a big call,
Speaker 2: isn't it. You know, so I can understand why they
Speaker 2: would go for something a little with a bit more
Speaker 2: sheene like Harry conneg Junior and Meghan trainer and look,
Speaker 2: and I was really happy telling everyone that would listen
Speaker 2: that I've been replaced by Meagan and Harry. But that's
Speaker 2: just a dad joke. Look, I did manage to watch
Speaker 2: a little bit of a couple of episodes. I didn't
Speaker 2: think the talent was great. And the other thing is
Speaker 2: I didn't think Kyle was being himself because Kyle couldn't
Speaker 2: be himself on that show. Nobody wants to bastard on
Speaker 2: that show anymore. No one wants someone to be an
Speaker 2: asshole and give kids to serve. You know, we've moved
Speaker 2: into a new paradigm where everybody gets a rosette for
Speaker 2: turning up and the body chance is really low. It
Speaker 2: was hard telling people the truth to their face. But
Speaker 2: if I'm really honest, once you get the whiff of
Speaker 2: blood in your nostrils, you get used to it and
Speaker 2: you realize it makes the show tick and makes the
Speaker 2: show rate as long as you can live with yourself,
Speaker 2: happy days for everyone. And look at the other thing
Speaker 2: is like, you know, I feel a little bit sorry
Speaker 2: for some of those kids on the first Idol who
Speaker 2: turned up and got to serve, But from then on
Speaker 2: in it, I think it was fair game. It used
Speaker 2: to rate two and a half million an episode on
Speaker 2: Sunday Night, which is massive, you know. And if you
Speaker 2: turn off on that second show and you queue up
Speaker 2: for two days, go through three auditions before you go
Speaker 2: before the judges, and they tell you your shit to
Speaker 2: your face, then you should have fucking watched the first series.
Speaker 2: And the other thing was I would go out and
Speaker 2: there'd be these this distraught sixteen year old weeping into
Speaker 2: a shit outfit with all of their friends and family
Speaker 2: for racing me as I was trying to go for
Speaker 2: a piece, saying you don't know what you're after, you
Speaker 2: haven't got a clue, to which I'd say, look, I'm
Speaker 2: prepared to accept that your daughter is tone deaf, but
Speaker 2: you can't all be fucking tone depth.
Speaker 3: One of you tellers that Reality TV in front of
Speaker 3: two and a half million people on a Sunday night
Speaker 3: was probably not the best way to test their ship voice.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you are one of the best
Speaker 1: team personalities that we've ever seen in this country. Maybe
Speaker 1: that says more about me than it does about anything else.
Speaker 1: But I've always felt if people I don't understand why
Speaker 1: people can't handle your truth, because essentially you're definitely not
Speaker 1: a bad guy. I know that from behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: you're literally just calling it as it is. And why
Speaker 1: do we need to be wrapped in cotton wool?
Speaker 2: We just do these days? It's this is Look, this
Speaker 2: is going to sound contentious, but I don't mean it
Speaker 2: too because I really think we need to take mental
Speaker 2: health seriously. But I also think taking mental health seriously
Speaker 2: does not mean using mental health as an umbrella get
Speaker 2: out of jail card just because you're being a bit
Speaker 2: fucking sad. And I think if you want to talk
Speaker 2: about something, be specific, talk about what's ailing you and
Speaker 2: let's talk it through. But the amount of time I
Speaker 2: hear young people using the term mental health without getting specific.
Speaker 2: I just feel a little bit suspicious by it, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's in fact, that's because I'm a dinosaur and
Speaker 2: an insensitive one. Is key buzzwords these days that seem
Speaker 2: to take the place of real communication and understanding of
Speaker 2: a particular moment or a situation. It's almost like you
Speaker 2: can hold the card up and go, ah, okay, well
Speaker 2: we can't go there.
Speaker 1: I want to jump in here and say something because
Speaker 1: I only have you for a limited time, and I
Speaker 1: feel like the dicko that I'm getting today. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: just giving me what you know I want, because you
Speaker 1: know I'm mad for this shit. But I don't know
Speaker 1: whether or not this dicko that you are that I've
Speaker 1: met a couple of times in real life is the
Speaker 1: dicko we've just been watching on the show. Did you
Speaker 1: try and PG yourself on this show? Did you try
Speaker 1: and PC yourself and give us a watered down version
Speaker 1: to act up to the cameras in some way?
Speaker 2: No, look, I didn't look. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: love in that camp. I didn't need to drag this
Speaker 2: person's look. It's funny. Liz and I had a laugh
Speaker 2: very early on. Liz and I got very very close,
Speaker 2: and every now and then I would arc up and
Speaker 2: have a little bit of narkiness and she say, you're
Speaker 2: all right, And I said, look, I just think there's
Speaker 2: a cunt inside of me that has to run free
Speaker 2: like a horse in the field every now and then,
Speaker 2: and I call it Trigger. And we had a laugh.
Speaker 2: And every time I would arc up again, she would say,
Speaker 2: just Trigger need a run in the field. I said,
Speaker 2: I think so, So I'm going to have to go
Speaker 2: to the long Drop and have a sheet instead and
Speaker 2: in the Rhonda Birchmore Memorial Long Drop. But yeah, look,
Speaker 2: it's to be honest, Ben, you didn't see this sticker
Speaker 2: because there was a lot of love in that camp
Speaker 2: and it was so beautifully cast. It wasn't cast for conflict.
Speaker 2: It was cast for meaningful relationships and great conversations that
Speaker 2: were held with respect. So I think we were allowed
Speaker 2: to move into some contentious issues but maintain the respect.
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to go in there swashbuckling. There
Speaker 2: was one person on bodied heads with time and time
Speaker 2: again who was done. But do you know what if
Speaker 2: there were two people built for conflict in that camp,
Speaker 2: he was me and Dom She's from maths and I'm
Speaker 2: the asshole from Australian Idol, and we know how to
Speaker 2: do that to not take it personally and to hug
Speaker 2: you ass which we did virtually every day. So we
Speaker 2: always had a love hate relationship throughout that. But I
Speaker 2: really respect her. She's whip smart, she knows who she is,
Speaker 2: and she's really good trading off that and leveraging it.
Speaker 2: So she's great. She's superb for this. But no, I
Speaker 2: wasn't look i'd be telling her lie. I did edit
Speaker 2: myself a little bit, but it wasn't because I was
Speaker 2: scared to go there. It's because I didn't want to
Speaker 2: spoil the tea party everyone. There was so much love
Speaker 2: there that I didn't want to introduce any knockiness just
Speaker 2: for the sake of it. You know. I just didn't
Speaker 2: think that's what we were there for. I think we
Speaker 2: were there for a loving and to have some great
Speaker 2: conversations and eat the odd zebra testicle. That's all the.
Speaker 1: Question I have for you about this conflict in conflict
Speaker 1: on television and talking about DOM, I kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, that whole DOM showdown with CAC must have
Speaker 1: been censored because considering the cacs now come out saying
Speaker 1: that she needs therapy based on the conflict that happened
Speaker 1: between Dom and carry Anne. What what's your take on that?
Speaker 1: What really happened for And do you think that Karyen
Speaker 1: Kelly needs to go and get therapy after that showdown
Speaker 1: that you witnessed.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you whether Kerry and Kelly needs therapy
Speaker 2: or not. I not. What I do know is Kerry's
Speaker 2: grieving for Cary's grieving for John. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if entrying the jungle was the wisest mom for her.
Speaker 1: And did you say that to her though? Did you
Speaker 1: pull it because your mates with her?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did. We had a conversation about this where
Speaker 2: I just don't think I just don't think she understood
Speaker 2: what she was getting into. And I don't think she
Speaker 2: understood the importance of feeding the camp and what those
Speaker 2: styles meant to people and everyone else did so. I
Speaker 2: think her saidfastly refusing to get a hands thirty in
Speaker 2: some of these some of these trials just looked a
Speaker 2: little bit short sighted on her and a team.
Speaker 1: But Dom must have gone too far. At the same time,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: You don went way too far and you're absolutely right
Speaker 2: to pick it. She did say some things that didn't
Speaker 2: make the edit, and that's really Dom should have handled
Speaker 2: herself a lot better, but Kerry looked for to be fair,
Speaker 2: carry Anne was going. You know, I sat there with
Speaker 2: a ringside seat and carry Anne did not read the
Speaker 2: room terribly well. And as we all know, don can
Speaker 2: go from north to gremlin in fist seconds. And she
Speaker 2: was poking the bear. Carry was poking the bear and
Speaker 2: the bear bit back, you know. But yeah, it didn't
Speaker 2: stop there. There was some stuff they couldn't show on
Speaker 2: the live fee because it's Sunday night primetime show, and
Speaker 2: it was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: Would the show rate if we got to see Watson
Speaker 1: all I'm a celebrity or do we need to say,
Speaker 1: comboya you.
Speaker 2: Can't show the sea bomb on Sunday night television. You can't.
Speaker 2: That's mount everest. I don't think Dom handles herself terribly well.
Speaker 2: It was you know, it was a spectacular blow up
Speaker 2: and I know it probably caused earthquakes in the control
Speaker 2: room when it happened, and the look on Julia and
Speaker 2: Chris's face was unbelievable. They had wavyline smiles like the
Speaker 2: ABC logo, and Paul Wood in front of me was
Speaker 2: just chewing down on a q DO testicle while it
Speaker 2: was all going on. It was the most bizarre thing.
Speaker 2: But you can't show that on primetime. I mean, who's
Speaker 2: going to do that? And what's the point They showed
Speaker 2: the blow up. They didn't need to show the full profanity,
Speaker 2: but I'm neither am I going to take that to
Speaker 2: my brave you know. I mean, it happened in front
Speaker 2: of me, and it was spectacular and.
Speaker 1: It's your story to tell, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And also I was involved, so I can't get canceled.
Speaker 1: You can't get canceled you're not on social media, and
Speaker 1: you don't ever show I've read the bumper stickers.
Speaker 2: Of your life. So for me, it was just it
Speaker 2: was just a brilliant ringside seat to the SmackDown. But
Speaker 2: there was a subtext there, which was you know, the
Speaker 2: you know, the elder stateswoman of TV, you know was
Speaker 2: staring and you know, the upstart reality TV peasants who's
Speaker 2: banging on the door saying, I'm taking what's yours. So
Speaker 2: that that was a wonderful fund off between you know,
Speaker 2: he showed the shifting plates of the entertainment landscape. It
Speaker 2: was amazing.
Speaker 1: This is the best to go question when it comes
Speaker 1: to who's going to win this thing? Who wants it
Speaker 1: and who needs it? And who's going to get it?
Speaker 2: Who wants it? Don wants it? Probably Don wants it most.
Speaker 2: I think she's the one who's who's the most outspoken.
Speaker 2: She's the one who's verbalizing it. But she flip flops
Speaker 2: between send me home, I need to see my dog Millie,
Speaker 2: and I can go all the way, so's she's like
Speaker 2: Sybil in ten minutes. Who needs it? I think I
Speaker 2: think those kids need it. Asha Dom and Aisha Dom,
Speaker 2: Harry and Nathan can all use this the trajectory there
Speaker 2: are now in the velocity that they will get shut
Speaker 2: out of this format at great speed, that they can
Speaker 2: use that to really bed themselves into the next level
Speaker 2: of fame and achievement. Who is going to win it?
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be Liza Less because she's
Speaker 2: just the most spectacular quality human being, an amazing leader,
Speaker 2: which smart, funny, wicked sense of humor. But she's got
Speaker 2: this kind empathy and an innate sense of reading two
Speaker 2: steps ahead of every argument and steering it where it
Speaker 2: needs to go. And she's just so well equipped to
Speaker 2: take that camp where it needs to be, but to
Speaker 2: bring it Australia along on the ride too. She's a deeply,
Speaker 2: deeply impressive person and she's gonna win it. Now.
Speaker 1: Everyone who joins the podcast gets asked this question, what
Speaker 1: is something from behind the scenes, something that we did
Speaker 1: not see that we might appreciate, kind of like a
Speaker 1: bit of a behind the scenes secret of what it's
Speaker 1: like to make on a celebrity.
Speaker 2: Okay, our corner myself Woody and was named me saying
Speaker 2: corner because with all of those beans for lunch, it
Speaker 2: was just a wet and windy night every night in
Speaker 2: that corner of the camera, and there was like a
Speaker 2: purple haze just existing above our sleeping bags that looked
Speaker 2: like will of the Wist.
Speaker 1: By the Flint and Casey Albert.
Speaker 2: I know now, if we'd have had that on the
Speaker 2: first night, we'd have lit in the fuck by it.
Speaker 2: I can tell.
Speaker 1: You, Dicka, I kind of begin to tell you how
Speaker 1: much how thankful I am that you said yes to
Speaker 1: doing this show and how much I love you on television.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Ben, but you need to fucking get
Speaker 2: out last time. I always loved you on Big Brother.
Speaker 1: I need to do more, but you know what, when
Speaker 1: the time is right, the time is right, something will
Speaker 1: come along.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, Darling. It's nice to spread to you.
Speaker 1: I love chatting with you.