WEBVTT - Ian 'Dicko' Dickson - I'M A CELEBRITY - TV Personality 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.680 TV Reload the podcast plat deep that line. Welcome back, 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.080 guys to TV Reload. My name, as you may know, 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.000 is Benjamin Norris, and this is your podcast to get 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.840 all the insight goss on the popular TV shows you 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.120 may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, our TV 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.840 sets are a major part of our home entertainment, and 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.800 yet very little is known about how our favorite shows 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.759 get made. Each episode, I've been finding guests that want 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.880 to dive just that little bit deeper into the shows 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.360 they're currently making so that you can hear all their 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.600 exclusive stories and gain access to the biggest names in 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.720 Australian television. I want to thank you for downloading or 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.000 subscribing to this podcast however you've found it. I love 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.280 hearing your feedback, so make sure you leave a review 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.280 or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. On today's pod, 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.720 I'm lucky enough to be chatting to this year's shock 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:52.159 eliminated celebrity Ian Dicko Dixon from Network Tens. I'm a celebrity, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.080 Get me out of here. Ian Dixon is one of 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.920 Australia's biggest TV personalities who has been asked every year 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.360 to enter the jungle, and this year at Sea, the 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.840 money was right and so the former shock judged a 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.880 lighted fans by signing up and taking on the challenge. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.800 Dicko certainly opened up and spilled the beans throughout his 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.319 jungle journey, and while I do think we got to 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.920 see a new perspective on the man behind the headlines, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.680 he has been overshadowed by some of the other celebrities 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.200 competing for that very coveted jungle crown. I will talk 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.920 about that controversial spat between Kerry Ann and Dominica and 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.120 get Dicko's perspective on what he thinks really went down. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.080 Dicko will also get a chance to respond to claims 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.680 that happened this week that he tried to out Anthony 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.679 Klear on Australian Idol. I will talk to Dicko about 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.679 gameplay and if he thinks maybe acting up to the 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.640 cameras could have backfired in the end. Plus, we will 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.200 get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes if I'm 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.920 a Celebrity twenty twenty three, which is absolutely delighting fans 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.960 on Network ten, which you can now catch up on 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.280 ten Play at your convenience. Anyway, let's bring Dicko into 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.480 the podcast, and Hey, I really hope you enjoyed this 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.400 revealing episode of TV reload. Good to see you. There 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.360 you go, Ben, don't you think this is really funny? 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.160 We have gone full circle and people are referring to 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.120 your shock elimination as the Ricky Lee moment of the season. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.880 That's what I'm calling it, too, Like, Look, I don't know. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.840 I kind of realized I couldn't go deep into this 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.440 show because I don't do social media. I've run away 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.480 from TV a few years ago, and I'm an old kid, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.200 so I didn't think i'd go all the way. I 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.720 thought I maybe have lasted one or two more shows. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.920 But to be honest, I'm quite had to go. All 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.519 of those people in the jungle that are still there 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.600 are fabulous, and there was a day, Look about four 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.919 days ago, I hate a little bit of a rough 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.880 patch and started to feel like I was out of 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.120 my depth. But I didn't belong anymore. So maybe I've 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.480 used up all of my energy in those early episodes 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.760 and it was time to go. So I've got no problem, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.760 and I do leave with a huge sense of gratitude. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.000 And I feel super calm, so all he's good with 0:02:59.040 --> 0:02:59.520 the world. Ben. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.000 The last time that we spoke, we were talking about whether 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.760 or not you would do the show, and you did 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.200 say to me that the money has never been right, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.880 and they had asked you every year. So I'm assuming 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.280 that this money was either catastrophic or you thought to yourself, hey, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.320 why not Australia misses me. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.839 So either they gave me a rockstar check or I've 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:24.079 spent all my money on the Pokeys so and I'm 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.840 hard up. No, look what it was. Something stirred in 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.600 me this year and I thought, I've been spending the 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.840 last six years trying to become a normal person again 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.600 and wash the idea of fame out of my hair. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.480 And I think I've finally got to the point where 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.800 I no longer require the validation of profile, and I 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.800 can't really use it anymore because I just manage artists. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.080 Now I'm back in music and I'm loving what I'm 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.400 doing it really, it makes me feel so grateful that 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.640 these young artists allow me to drive their careers and 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.480 it just fills me with so much joy that I 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.000 just I don't need profile. I don't want it. I 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.080 don't want to be on TV, and it's because I 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.920 didn't need it. I thought it was safe to go 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.920 back and do it, especially a show like this where 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.080 I'm away from Australia, and because I'm on it and 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.760 it's live, I don't need to watch it and see 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.320 any of the press or any of the nonsense that 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.960 goes with it. So it felt like the perfect opportunity 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.720 to get away at Plus, there was a little bit 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.040 of sharden for it inside of me that thought, how 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.400 wonderful it would be for my artist to tune into 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.640 the show on a Sunday night and go what he 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.320 isn't a jungle? What a bastard he didn't tell us? 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.640 So yeah, they would have been trying to wring me 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.120 for days, not getting hold of me, working out ingenious 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.440 ways to sack me, and then I end up in 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.800 the jungle. So I can't wait to speak to them 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.760 to see if I've been fired well. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.200 And now they need you more than ever. You know, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.599 you keep saying that you has been and all the 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.440 rest of it, but you're still making news headlines. And coincidentally, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.800 yesterday before your shock elimination, there was a news article which, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.120 by the way, you and I were both in and 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.520 it was about Anthony Klea. Have you read the newspaper 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:10.400 since you did. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.479 Some I did some press when I got out of 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.479 the show, and a few people brought up the fact 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.560 that he referenced me for trying to out him on Australia. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.320 And look, the fact is I did it for the 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.839 right reasons because I've always been I used to be 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.359 called a fag hag. Now I think you use the 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.279 term queer adjacent. And I've always enjoyed my sisters in 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.880 the gay community. I've had I've always had special relationships. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.719 And also working with Simon Carr's boy band, there was 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.920 always a gay guy that we had to keep quieting 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.880 the boy band, but we managed that to make sure 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.320 that they had enough sex and keep their private life, 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.440 you know, to themselves, and keep their career going. So 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.640 I felt that we were adept as an industry dealing 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.480 with secretly at artists. So that's why I gave him 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.560 the offer, and he, obviously, you know, he rejected that 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.159 and said I'm not gay. And now he said that 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.120 I shouldn't have done it, And to be honest, he's right. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.080 I had no right. I've got no one's got any 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.919 right to insist that someone should be at the closet 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.360 let alone, a privileged white guy, white straight guy. And look, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.880 he came from the right. I felt it came from 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.479 the heart and for the right reasons. But really he's 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.520 right to call me out on it. It's no one's 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.039 business but that person. And I'll take that on the chin. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.799 And he's he's absolutely right, you know, And I'm glad. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.880 I'm so glad that he's out in one of Australia's 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.840 big gay power couples because him and Tim are amazing. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.040 They do a lot of great work, you know that 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:49.479 they're fabulous together and Anthony's still kicking goals. But he's 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.400 so much happier now being a gay man. And I 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.520 guess that's why I was trying to tease him out 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.479 a little earlier. But again it just wasn't It wasn't 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.120 for me to do that. So he's he's absolutely right 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:01.760 to call it out. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.560 Well, I think it's fair enough for me to jump 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.039 in and say I think of you as the og 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.479 fanghag of Australia because I met you before I even 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.680 had any notoriety at the Logis. One year with Mel 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:17.840 your partner, and you know you didn't know that. I mean, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.160 she didn't know who I was. I didn't know who 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.800 mel was. We just started talking at the bar and 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:21.960 she just looked at me and she said, do you 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.520 know who is going to love you? 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:24.560 My partner? 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.560 And dragged me over to you and then we stood 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.600 there and had like a big chat. And like, you 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.640 could not have been more supportive of the queer community 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.920 back in the day, well before it was even popular 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.560 to be an ally, you were so supportive. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.400 Yeah. Look's when I was first in the record industry 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.720 in London. I was at Sony Music and we had 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.600 there was there was a there was a gang of 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.320 gay guys who were just uber fabulous. They were always 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.880 had the most outrageous rank sense of humor, they and 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.600 they were just they they all pushed the party to 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.520 new levels and I just was I just gravitated to 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.720 this gang in a way that they are just opened 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.200 to my eyes to so many things. And it was 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.680 in the eighties and in the late eighties, and I 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.080 lost two or three of them to eight and it 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:22.840 was tragic, and I'm going to cry. It was a 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.320 tough time. But through all of that, it was just 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.320 a fabulous community finding its pride and I couldn't get 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.440 enough of it. I could not get enough of it. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.280 And ever since, you know, it's just been it's been 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.920 something I've always gravitated towards. I've got my girls have 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.719 got so many gay uncles and they love that. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.360 And I always wanting to clear up because if anyone's 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.680 looking for some clarity on the situation, I just wanted 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.800 to make sure there was something in the zeitgeist about 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.680 how supportive you had been. And I knew quite a 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.920 bit of your backstory because you shared it the first 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.840 time that we ever spoke, and so so I know that, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.400 and so I just hope that people out there can 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.080 see it, you know. I also I want I'll get 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.800 to the jungle in a second, but I also want 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.320 to ask you. Australian Idol it came back and we 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.120 had the reboot of it, and I felt like it 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.680 really did miss you and Marsha particularly. I think having 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.400 Harry Connick Junior and Meghan Trainer I think was a 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.360 bit of a mistake. I think it would have been 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.080 better to have you and Marsha back. What are your 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.319 thoughts on that show and do you think It probably 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.960 would have been more successful if we had the nostalgirama 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.800 of having you back and seeing what you've been up 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.560 to and how you fit into the media these days. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.640 Look, Ben, there's a lot from packing that question. Let's 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.320 take this one by one. Firstly, they shouldn't have brought 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.400 the show back. In my opinion, I think it was 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.040 a mistake. I think they tried to reanimate a corpse 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.360 but didn't want to be reanimated. The World's moved on. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.920 Idol was of its time and it was pretty special, 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.360 but the World's moved on from there. And what made 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.360 Idol special really was the fact that, you know, it 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.680 was a slice of ritual humiliation as well as the 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.760 celebration of talent. And if you're not going to invite 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.840 the nutters and give them a bit of a dressing down, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.240 to be honest, that was part of its charm. I 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.560 know it's not terribly politically correct to say that, but 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.440 ritual humiliation was part of that format. And if it's 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.440 not going to have that, it's just a poor it's 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.960 a poor shadow of what it used to be. Now, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.680 should they have invited me, Mark and marsherback, or any 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.839 of us, probably not they were banging the drums. Seven 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.280 was about this being the youth format that was going 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.280 to save their year or build their year. Are you 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.560 really going to put two confused seventy year olds and 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.160 a bitter and twisted sixty year old to front your 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.560 youth format. I mean that's kind of a big call, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.360 isn't it. You know, so I can understand why they 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.439 would go for something a little with a bit more 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.520 sheene like Harry conneg Junior and Meghan trainer and look, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.600 and I was really happy telling everyone that would listen 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.080 that I've been replaced by Meagan and Harry. But that's 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.120 just a dad joke. Look, I did manage to watch 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.560 a little bit of a couple of episodes. I didn't 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.040 think the talent was great. And the other thing is 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.640 I didn't think Kyle was being himself because Kyle couldn't 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.680 be himself on that show. Nobody wants to bastard on 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.280 that show anymore. No one wants someone to be an 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.760 asshole and give kids to serve. You know, we've moved 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.319 into a new paradigm where everybody gets a rosette for 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.760 turning up and the body chance is really low. It 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.000 was hard telling people the truth to their face. But 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.400 if I'm really honest, once you get the whiff of 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.720 blood in your nostrils, you get used to it and 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.600 you realize it makes the show tick and makes the 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.280 show rate as long as you can live with yourself, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.480 happy days for everyone. And look at the other thing 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.760 is like, you know, I feel a little bit sorry 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.640 for some of those kids on the first Idol who 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.360 turned up and got to serve, But from then on 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.000 in it, I think it was fair game. It used 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.840 to rate two and a half million an episode on 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.240 Sunday Night, which is massive, you know. And if you 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.840 turn off on that second show and you queue up 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.160 for two days, go through three auditions before you go 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.040 before the judges, and they tell you your shit to 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.559 your face, then you should have fucking watched the first series. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:24.920 And the other thing was I would go out and 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.760 there'd be these this distraught sixteen year old weeping into 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.400 a shit outfit with all of their friends and family 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.480 for racing me as I was trying to go for 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.120 a piece, saying you don't know what you're after, you 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.719 haven't got a clue, to which I'd say, look, I'm 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.760 prepared to accept that your daughter is tone deaf, but 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.000 you can't all be fucking tone depth. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.120 One of you tellers that Reality TV in front of 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.680 two and a half million people on a Sunday night 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.680 was probably not the best way to test their ship voice. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.520 You know, I think you are one of the best 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.720 team personalities that we've ever seen in this country. Maybe 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.800 that says more about me than it does about anything else. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.440 But I've always felt if people I don't understand why 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.439 people can't handle your truth, because essentially you're definitely not 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.040 a bad guy. I know that from behind the scenes, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.720 you're literally just calling it as it is. And why 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.240 do we need to be wrapped in cotton wool? 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.400 We just do these days? It's this is Look, this 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.280 is going to sound contentious, but I don't mean it 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.439 too because I really think we need to take mental 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.559 health seriously. But I also think taking mental health seriously 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.679 does not mean using mental health as an umbrella get 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.520 out of jail card just because you're being a bit 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.760 fucking sad. And I think if you want to talk 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.360 about something, be specific, talk about what's ailing you and 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.440 let's talk it through. But the amount of time I 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:55.200 hear young people using the term mental health without getting specific. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.080 I just feel a little bit suspicious by it, and 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.400 maybe that's in fact, that's because I'm a dinosaur and 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:07.080 an insensitive one. Is key buzzwords these days that seem 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.600 to take the place of real communication and understanding of 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.319 a particular moment or a situation. It's almost like you 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.199 can hold the card up and go, ah, okay, well 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:18.960 we can't go there. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.600 I want to jump in here and say something because 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.280 I only have you for a limited time, and I 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.600 feel like the dicko that I'm getting today. Maybe you're 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.480 just giving me what you know I want, because you 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.760 know I'm mad for this shit. But I don't know 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.400 whether or not this dicko that you are that I've 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:34.880 met a couple of times in real life is the 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.240 dicko we've just been watching on the show. Did you 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.520 try and PG yourself on this show? Did you try 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.800 and PC yourself and give us a watered down version 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.760 to act up to the cameras in some way? 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.640 No, look, I didn't look. There was a lot of 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.000 love in that camp. I didn't need to drag this 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.920 person's look. It's funny. Liz and I had a laugh 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.400 very early on. Liz and I got very very close, 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.200 and every now and then I would arc up and 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.080 have a little bit of narkiness and she say, you're 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.240 all right, And I said, look, I just think there's 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.240 a cunt inside of me that has to run free 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.280 like a horse in the field every now and then, 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.720 and I call it Trigger. And we had a laugh. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.280 And every time I would arc up again, she would say, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.640 just Trigger need a run in the field. I said, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.040 I think so, So I'm going to have to go 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.240 to the long Drop and have a sheet instead and 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.920 in the Rhonda Birchmore Memorial Long Drop. But yeah, look, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.360 it's to be honest, Ben, you didn't see this sticker 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.880 because there was a lot of love in that camp 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.760 and it was so beautifully cast. It wasn't cast for conflict. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.680 It was cast for meaningful relationships and great conversations that 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.720 were held with respect. So I think we were allowed 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.760 to move into some contentious issues but maintain the respect. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.400 And I didn't want to go in there swashbuckling. There 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.240 was one person on bodied heads with time and time 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.440 again who was done. But do you know what if 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.360 there were two people built for conflict in that camp, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.920 he was me and Dom She's from maths and I'm 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.840 the asshole from Australian Idol, and we know how to 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.080 do that to not take it personally and to hug 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.600 you ass which we did virtually every day. So we 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.120 always had a love hate relationship throughout that. But I 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.080 really respect her. She's whip smart, she knows who she is, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.000 and she's really good trading off that and leveraging it. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.200 So she's great. She's superb for this. But no, I 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.840 wasn't look i'd be telling her lie. I did edit 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.760 myself a little bit, but it wasn't because I was 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.520 scared to go there. It's because I didn't want to 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.760 spoil the tea party everyone. There was so much love 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.680 there that I didn't want to introduce any knockiness just 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.560 for the sake of it. You know. I just didn't 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.760 think that's what we were there for. I think we 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.080 were there for a loving and to have some great 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.600 conversations and eat the odd zebra testicle. That's all the. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.200 Question I have for you about this conflict in conflict 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.439 on television and talking about DOM, I kind of feel like, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.080 you know, that whole DOM showdown with CAC must have 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.680 been censored because considering the cacs now come out saying 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.800 that she needs therapy based on the conflict that happened 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.879 between Dom and carry Anne. What what's your take on that? 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.640 What really happened for And do you think that Karyen 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.640 Kelly needs to go and get therapy after that showdown 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:24.400 that you witnessed. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.960 I can't tell you whether Kerry and Kelly needs therapy 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.680 or not. I not. What I do know is Kerry's 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.800 grieving for Cary's grieving for John. And I don't know 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.880 if entrying the jungle was the wisest mom for her. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:39.960 And did you say that to her though? Did you 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.040 pull it because your mates with her? 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.200 Yeah? I did. We had a conversation about this where 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.760 I just don't think I just don't think she understood 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.919 what she was getting into. And I don't think she 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.200 understood the importance of feeding the camp and what those 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.240 styles meant to people and everyone else did so. I 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.840 think her saidfastly refusing to get a hands thirty in 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.520 some of these some of these trials just looked a 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.560 little bit short sighted on her and a team. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.680 But Dom must have gone too far. At the same time, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:05.600 I mean, what are your thoughts? 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.680 You don went way too far and you're absolutely right 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.920 to pick it. She did say some things that didn't 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.720 make the edit, and that's really Dom should have handled 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.680 herself a lot better, but Kerry looked for to be fair, 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.159 carry Anne was going. You know, I sat there with 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.280 a ringside seat and carry Anne did not read the 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.360 room terribly well. And as we all know, don can 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.879 go from north to gremlin in fist seconds. And she 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.760 was poking the bear. Carry was poking the bear and 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.200 the bear bit back, you know. But yeah, it didn't 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.439 stop there. There was some stuff they couldn't show on 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.600 the live fee because it's Sunday night primetime show, and 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.480 it was fucking awesome. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.159 Would the show rate if we got to see Watson 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.280 all I'm a celebrity or do we need to say, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:49.360 comboya you. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.920 Can't show the sea bomb on Sunday night television. You can't. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.680 That's mount everest. I don't think Dom handles herself terribly well. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.479 It was you know, it was a spectacular blow up 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.919 and I know it probably caused earthquakes in the control 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.120 room when it happened, and the look on Julia and 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.919 Chris's face was unbelievable. They had wavyline smiles like the 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.480 ABC logo, and Paul Wood in front of me was 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.720 just chewing down on a q DO testicle while it 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.400 was all going on. It was the most bizarre thing. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.919 But you can't show that on primetime. I mean, who's 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.679 going to do that? And what's the point They showed 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.280 the blow up. They didn't need to show the full profanity, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.240 but I'm neither am I going to take that to 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.640 my brave you know. I mean, it happened in front 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.120 of me, and it was spectacular and. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.120 It's your story to tell, yeah, exactly. 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.280 And also I was involved, so I can't get canceled. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.240 You can't get canceled you're not on social media, and 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:49.399 you don't ever show I've read the bumper stickers. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.760 Of your life. So for me, it was just it 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.720 was just a brilliant ringside seat to the SmackDown. But 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.040 there was a subtext there, which was you know, the 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.320 you know, the elder stateswoman of TV, you know was 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:04.119 staring and you know, the upstart reality TV peasants who's 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.160 banging on the door saying, I'm taking what's yours. So 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.879