WEBVTT - John Cadogan joins the panel! Plus...Paul's Humvee

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, please be upstanding. He has arrived, Colonel

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Private Paul Marriage from the Croatian Legion Army, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's arriving on.

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<v Speaker 2>The back of his fucking hum V. I knew you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know during the pandemic that you were locked away,

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<v Speaker 1>you were a bow and now you've bought an ex

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<v Speaker 1>army car.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you starting your own army? I don't comment on

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<v Speaker 2>future invasions. Is that what you said?

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<v Speaker 1>You all?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you say? Darling? Tonight I will be invading.

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<v Speaker 1>The tiny island of Crete.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so Gordy is referring to the hum V that

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<v Speaker 2>I bought, and you can have a look at my

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<v Speaker 2>socials for that. Why did I buy it? The answer

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<v Speaker 2>to that is I was bored during COVID. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea? No? Was it expensive yes? Yes? Has

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<v Speaker 2>it been more expensive that I thought it would be? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And did I get ripped off by people in Australia? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>But also why? Like honestly and I just always wanted one?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but I feel like this is this hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been answered properly in any of your content. There hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really been like a why it's just been because I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like it, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to. Why did you buy super ap back?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're both big green tanks.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought a green new I always wanted a green You. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you gonna do? You're gonna pop down the

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<v Speaker 2>shops with that thing? Probably not? Are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>entirely inconvenient to drive? The mirrors are terrible. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>see out the back of it or the front of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wider than a lane. It doesn't really go well

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<v Speaker 2>in car parks. It has no features. It's highly unsafe.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's got features, but it comes with some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of ammunition and reloading feature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, but it's cool. I love it, So check

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<v Speaker 2>out the video YouTube if you haven't seen that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, when you in the sequel of The hurt Locker,

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<v Speaker 1>yes very soon. I watched that yesterday. Have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>that movie? Oh my god, you're humb's in it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is incredible. It's set during the Iraq War.

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<v Speaker 1>Just watch it. It's probably one of the most eye

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<v Speaker 1>opening accounts of war that I think you'll say sounds serious.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a touching story about a boy and his dog.

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<v Speaker 1>What else has been going on in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Not too much. I actually ran into someone the other

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<v Speaker 2>day and I asked them if they'd be on the

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<v Speaker 2>show today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, by one of your friends.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to be coming in very soon. You may

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<v Speaker 2>have heard of him. Oh, they're coming in yeah today.

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<v Speaker 2>So clear your stuff, clean the desk and stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do something please.

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<v Speaker 1>I have my briefcase full of shredded newspaper, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just the receipts from our law case. Well, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>someone's coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it is. Actually I won't even tell you

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<v Speaker 2>who it is. You've probably already seen it in the title,

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<v Speaker 2>but just have a listen to their voice and see

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<v Speaker 2>if you can figure out who it is if you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't bother reading the title. Okay, after we speak with

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<v Speaker 2>him as well. By the way, I run through some

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<v Speaker 2>feedback that we got, and there is I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have a stalker. Oh I like them. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have a stork. Is it female? Probably not, just judging

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<v Speaker 2>by everyone that listens to this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine can you imagine if we had like

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<v Speaker 1>female fans love the way you talk about cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, the woman who sent us the hugo is female.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well she is from the country of I am

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<v Speaker 3>a man, but I compete on the woman's swimming team.

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<v Speaker 1>I also used the date Paul marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Any who, any of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, so we have a guest coming up. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got a hum vy. I still don't have my outback.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything in the world, world is as it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we just get into our let's do that if

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<v Speaker 1>you bring him in, Come on in, mate, take a seat.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you said you're going to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>one of your mates, I thought, oh God, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I thought it's just going to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>your engineering forty year old virgins.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was going to say, that's so far, you're

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty close twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But then John Kiddogan's just walked in, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>slightly nervous.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have that effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome buddy, Thanks for coming in mate.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a pleasure to be here. It's a long time

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<v Speaker 4>since I've done this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, Well, because people would know you obviously from

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube primarily, and I wanted to get a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a backstory in that because one of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>love about your content is agree with it or disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with it. You've always got an opinion, and what I

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<v Speaker 1>love is you've always got an intelligent argument for that opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>You agree with it or not. You know, here's the.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing, right, if you watch the news like you watch

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<v Speaker 4>seven news, nine news, doesn't matter, You've got no idea

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<v Speaker 4>what the host ever thinks or any of the reporters, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why you disengaged from it. They're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>some car that drove through a fence in Adelaide because

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<v Speaker 4>it's a slow news day, right, But you've got no

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<v Speaker 4>idea what anyone really thinks, Like what does Mark Ferguson

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<v Speaker 4>really think about that? No one knows. He specifically trained

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<v Speaker 4>not to have a view. And it's a complete mechanism

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<v Speaker 4>for disengagement. So what I do is I use all

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<v Speaker 4>of the dirty tricks that you learn in news and

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<v Speaker 4>current affairs, Like I can read the prompter endlessly without

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<v Speaker 4>flipping over my tongue, but I invert the medium by

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<v Speaker 4>injecting what I really think into it. And it's quite disorienting.

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<v Speaker 4>But people can't put their finger on why.

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<v Speaker 1>It is interesting because you sort of think back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, saying the sort of the seventies, the news

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<v Speaker 1>was delivered differently, and I get times change and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but it was it was sort of factual,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was almost like a bit of a merit

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I just the news today is very much

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to pick and choose. I think it's as

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily unbiased as it used to be.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been a violation of trust with the audience. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no predisposed contract of trust anymore. And that's why like

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<v Speaker 4>John Stewart, my hero, the host of the Daily Show,

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<v Speaker 4>and became the most trusted newsman in America, despite the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that he was a comedian. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 4>he's just a comedian because comedy is freakin' hard, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But he used satire to build a bond of trust

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<v Speaker 4>with the audience, and you never misunderstood where he stood

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<v Speaker 4>on particular issues. And he wasn't afraid to do the

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<v Speaker 4>hard stories. He just flipped them and did it differently.

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<v Speaker 4>He wasn't part of that partisan scene that they have

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<v Speaker 4>over there where they've got left wing media and right

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<v Speaker 4>wing media and they're always you know, their take on

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<v Speaker 4>the news is two people in between a host shouting

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<v Speaker 4>at each other. That's entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he the one who's slipped back here, by the way, No,

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<v Speaker 2>John Stewart's the I'll show your picture of hi because

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<v Speaker 2>you'll you'll know, because there's a few out there. There's

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<v Speaker 2>one who.

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<v Speaker 4>Watched the career of Stephen Colbert and exactly, yeah, that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of, sort of got slip back here and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Carell as well, Yeah, yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert were comedy hacks on The

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<v Speaker 4>Daily Show and that made them something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, Well it's interesting because Colbert I still don't

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<v Speaker 2>find funny, Stuart I found funny, and Corell I find

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<v Speaker 2>very funny. Yeah, but it's his humor was fantastic. Used

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<v Speaker 2>to watch Daily Show daily obviously, but it was always

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<v Speaker 2>a really good watch. And then when they started shopping

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<v Speaker 2>and changing hosts, I felt that they started getting a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more reserved and there wasn't as much actual opinion

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<v Speaker 2>in there. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>He did a famous speech once and it actually said

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever see that the show the Newsroom with

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<v Speaker 1>the yeah, yeah, that speech that they do in episode

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<v Speaker 1>one was his was based on an actual speech.

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<v Speaker 2>That he did.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally. Yeah, He's done some amazing work and advocacy too,

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<v Speaker 4>like advocating for the first spondors in nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 4>so they got decent compensation out of Congress, and Congress

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<v Speaker 4>is like, oh, we don't want to know. He's become

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<v Speaker 4>the poster boy for that. He's extremely impressive when he's

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<v Speaker 4>not taking the piss out of someone like his IQ's

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<v Speaker 4>off the chart and he can think fast, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>very impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, tell us a little bit about your backstory, because

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<v Speaker 1>we sort of touched on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, look, I need it. I've been up for

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<v Speaker 1>three days on four bags of coking.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the cure. Well, like your co host, I've got

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<v Speaker 4>a degree in engineering and I spent about twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 4>using it before I said fuck that, I'll become a journalist.

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<v Speaker 4>And Mum and dad went, oh my god. We failed

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<v Speaker 4>because it was either drug dealer pimple journalists, right, they

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<v Speaker 4>were equally bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was all terrible members of society.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually did engineering because I loved cars. Cars decided

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<v Speaker 4>that they wanted me on their team at about the

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<v Speaker 4>age of three, so I had to figure out a

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<v Speaker 4>way of doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you like cars from the age of three, there

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<v Speaker 1>was something there where you kind of went, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know what it is. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you choose what you do. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it chooses you, you know. And there are some people

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<v Speaker 4>who are kind of adrift and they haven't been chosen

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<v Speaker 4>yet by some vocation that they really gell with. But

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<v Speaker 4>I got the car bug and that here we are,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And then I kind of did everything in

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<v Speaker 4>news and current affairs, like heaps a live TV, heaps

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<v Speaker 4>a pre recorded TV and radio two. I did a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of live radio, which was fun. And then they

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<v Speaker 4>all kind of fell apart, and I thought, wouldn't it

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<v Speaker 4>be interesting to run a mad experiment where someone who

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<v Speaker 4>was a motoring journalist had done all that shit, inverted

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<v Speaker 4>the medium and said what he really thinks. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>like if you've got this wonderful wooden bridge that you've

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<v Speaker 4>built over twenty years and then you just go one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred percent Dresden on the fifteenth of February nineteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's fucking spectacular, dude, You just watch it. It

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<v Speaker 4>just catches. It hasn't stopped smoking since it's been about

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<v Speaker 4>ten years now, and there's still smoke erupting from the bridge.

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<v Speaker 4>People say to me in the calendustry there, we love

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<v Speaker 4>your stuff except when it's about us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's like media watch everyone loves me,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in like my industry, in the radio industry. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's like their tagline is everyone loves it

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<v Speaker 1>until they're on it. Yeah, and it's true like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>because say, for instance, as you know, the radio industry

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<v Speaker 1>so bloody small. It's like, oh my god, such and

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<v Speaker 1>such is about to be on tonight. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>they're investigating such and such. We've got to watch this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they've found out no one gives a fuck. Once

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<v Speaker 2>it goes on there, you forget about it. The next

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<v Speaker 2>week it's on there for a little bit and then

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<v Speaker 2>you forget about it because I know, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know this person. But there was someone that used

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<v Speaker 2>to work for a car manufacturer.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's name names. This podcast hasn't had enough legal troubles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I don't need any more, especially

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<v Speaker 1>from this person.

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<v Speaker 2>So he basically would go on a morning show with

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<v Speaker 2>his products. I know this story claimed to be independent

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<v Speaker 2>and a long No, I don't know. He is more

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<v Speaker 2>popular than him if you can imagine. But yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>got scolded for that, and nothing came of it. His

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<v Speaker 2>job never went nothing changed. So I think it's media

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<v Speaker 2>watch is one of those things that people get hot

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<v Speaker 2>and bothered about but ultimately doesn't really change anything, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think. But yeah, that's why I think the employer

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<v Speaker 2>kind of would get a bit pissed off. Now, he

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<v Speaker 2>stayed there for quite some time after that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the employer endorsed it, So I'm going to anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got.

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<v Speaker 4>To look at the cumulative benefit that that manufacturer derived

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<v Speaker 4>from all of those effective placements versus you know, a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of minutes of pants down on the ABC, which

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<v Speaker 4>plenty of people don't watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you did some life radio and you did

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<v Speaker 1>some TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Where could we have seen you back in the day?

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<v Speaker 4>Back in the day was a current affairs motoring expert

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<v Speaker 4>it and then I transitioned.

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<v Speaker 2>To oh that's a different meaning to Channel.

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<v Speaker 4>Seven's motoring experts. So I wore a different set of

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<v Speaker 4>genitalia there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was fun.

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<v Speaker 4>You had to hand you Nazi, Yeah, and they saved

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<v Speaker 4>a new set on it was amazing, slightly bigger, but

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<v Speaker 4>lopsided go together. And then at the same time I

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<v Speaker 4>was doing a radio to you, and I'd have to say,

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<v Speaker 4>I used to think it was hard to train yourself

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<v Speaker 4>to be an engineer. There's lots of mathematics. It's endless

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<v Speaker 4>physics and mathematics as ball test. But paneling your own

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<v Speaker 4>live radio show, yep, that nearly I bled from the years.

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<v Speaker 4>On several occasions doing that, I thought, I've only got

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<v Speaker 4>to do three things at once. Here, why is this

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<v Speaker 4>falling apart?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to think of it as just it's playing

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<v Speaker 1>a piano, and it's kind of like you get.

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<v Speaker 4>That it's playing a piano while you're welding and your

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<v Speaker 4>clothes are on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think i've after a while,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have found it that after a while, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I don't know, you just learned to yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>muscle memory, yeah yeah, yeah. You don't even think about it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>if some shit goes wrong and you're off air, or

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<v Speaker 1>a music bed starts playing over a song or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of you automatically know where it's at and

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<v Speaker 1>what to do without even thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>It teaches you coping mechanisms. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 4>I learned really quickly was that all these people in

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<v Speaker 4>TV like TV is like being spoon fed, Because if

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<v Speaker 4>you're a host on TV getting stuff spoon fed, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're talking to you in the control room in one

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<v Speaker 4>ear and they're saying back in thirty seconds on camera

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<v Speaker 4>two and all of this stuff right, you're getting all

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<v Speaker 4>of this extra handhelding hand holding right, And in radio

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<v Speaker 4>it's just you. So you've got to have the coping mechanism.

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<v Speaker 4>So when something goes wrong on TV, you're in a

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<v Speaker 4>live cross in the middle of nowhere, your ifb goes down,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't hear anything. You just go I know what

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<v Speaker 4>to do. I'm just going to wait for the tally

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<v Speaker 4>light on the camera and I'll just talk for two

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<v Speaker 4>and a half minutes like it's a package. And after

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<v Speaker 4>that they talked to you. You know, you get a

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<v Speaker 4>call and it's like, how did you know how to

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<v Speaker 4>do that? Dode this look live radio? It was only

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<v Speaker 4>two and a half minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've got a shocking temper if stuff goes wrong

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<v Speaker 1>in my studio when I've and it's generally if I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to rely on someone else, pause. You've sort of

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<v Speaker 1>seen me, Yeah, I've sort of You've seen a little

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<v Speaker 1>sprinkling but quite racist. Okay, okay, yeah, I find that

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<v Speaker 1>personally when you've kind of got to rely on someone,

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<v Speaker 1>my rule is don't. Yeah, I'm very much a solo

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<v Speaker 1>shit because if you've got to rely on someone and

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<v Speaker 1>shit goes wrong, I hate that. I just concentrate on

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<v Speaker 1>my own backyard. Everything's got to be my way or

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<v Speaker 1>the or the highway that way if something goes wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and you would have you must have found that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit with what you're doing now, with the content

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<v Speaker 1>you're uploading too, because I guess it's all you, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing man. Yeah, well actually I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you that. So you obviously went from what you were

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<v Speaker 2>doing previously to YouTube. You're doing it all on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, like as you as only you would know, yes, right,

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<v Speaker 4>because you're a bit of a not only a young hero.

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<v Speaker 2>But a YouTube thank you, yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're you're doing awesome on YouTube. It has to

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<v Speaker 4>have respect him to say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I sleeped him one hundred bucks just before you walked in.

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<v Speaker 4>Positive payment up front.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I do appreciate that. And look, I genuinely feel

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<v Speaker 2>the same about the stuff that you do. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's also funny that a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 2>that you absolutely hate us and you're out to get

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<v Speaker 2>everyone and all this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I've roasted you guys, yes, endlessly, which is which is hilarious,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was hilarious when You're left nine and it was,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's just hilarious. And the thing about being

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<v Speaker 4>roasted is I find it amazing how presumptuous so called

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<v Speaker 4>motoring journalists are, because these are dudes who spend their

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<v Speaker 4>lives reviewing cars and they hate having their work review

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<v Speaker 4>Like that's not that's not a dichotomy or anything, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're busy roasting manufacturers all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>But we don't want our work scrutinized by the likes

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<v Speaker 4>of you, you bastard. But you guys are smart enough

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<v Speaker 4>to know that a roast is just that. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>no such thing as bad publicity. And if you take

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<v Speaker 4>a transcript of anything that is satirical, any joke, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the most horrifically libelous, slanderous, distasteful, racist, whatever it's

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<v Speaker 4>just unacceptable. But it's a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, it's the whole purpose of it. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>said to offend someone. It is a joke.

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<v Speaker 4>If you stood up in Parliament House and delivered it

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<v Speaker 4>like it was. Here's what I really think.

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<v Speaker 2>The Human Rights Commissions.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying a couple of jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>She did. She's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 1>She just forgot to say, guys, jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>She just forgot that.

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<v Speaker 1>Man at the edge, she just thought, ah, the clear end,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just punking news.

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<v Speaker 2>She forgot that.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, look, I think everybody who's on the consumption

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<v Speaker 4>end of video, audio, whatever, even just the written word,

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<v Speaker 4>like people go, i'd oh mate, or love to be

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<v Speaker 4>a car reviewer. How do I get a job doing

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<v Speaker 4>what you do? I go come out for a day,

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<v Speaker 4>dick heare, Let's just see how cushy it actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's there's a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not just at the track fanging some car

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<v Speaker 4>endlessly job done, like producing reports and that the grunt work,

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<v Speaker 4>like the absolute glamour of take fifteen on something like Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean you know that yourself, you're shooting it yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>you're editing it yourself. You've got your own studio setup

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<v Speaker 2>that is like a legitimate thing. It's not a green screen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was king. I have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like one of the YouTube clips, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>is that a green screen? Kept sort of looking and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm like, no, there's a different angle and a

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<v Speaker 1>different angle. And he's doing this in his garage on Glamorous.

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<v Speaker 4>So glamorous. It's a shitty, dank double Garrett doesn't look.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got the screws up there, He's got everything that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the fakeness, inherent fakeness of the media. It's so

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<v Speaker 4>cruddy at its call, but you can make just the

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<v Speaker 4>right bit of it looks so slick.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, well that's I mean when you see Paul

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<v Speaker 1>in the flash totally as opposed to on TV, it's yeah, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing I wanted to ask you as well, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people want to be murdering journalists. My advice

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<v Speaker 2>would be don't, Because every time someone asks for advice,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, do you want to get paid nothing? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to have to rely on manufacturers to do

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<v Speaker 2>everything for you? Do you want to never actually own

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<v Speaker 2>any of the cars that you drive. If so go

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<v Speaker 2>become a murdering journalist, say that with radio too.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's not even Joe, It's like but it's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing, right. Yeah, you will have a select few

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<v Speaker 2>that are successful and everything works out, but most motoring

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<v Speaker 2>journalists you don't want to live that life.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the perfect job if you hate your home life,

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<v Speaker 4>because you can be away for roughly half of it,

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<v Speaker 4>and when you go away, it's business class verth clicker,

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<v Speaker 4>five star Limo transfers. It's the rock star treatment for

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<v Speaker 4>someone paid roughly the same as a cleaner.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally. Yeah, I mean some of the starting salaries. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew a couple of people that worked there not that

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<v Speaker 2>long ago. That we're getting forty five grand a year.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think that's legal.

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<v Speaker 1>But my first radio gig was thirty two grand go

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<v Speaker 1>and that was nineteen forty two. We'd just come out

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<v Speaker 1>of No but that would have been about fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was thirty two grand. And fuck, I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you now, like over the space before this one, over

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<v Speaker 1>the space of a good fifteen years, it didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>much better.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's supplying demand, right, You've got all these

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<v Speaker 4>people who want to do. Yeah, the actual supply of

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.200
<v Speaker 4>jobs is so limited, so it's that. But unless you

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<v Speaker 4>can turn it into a full on business, as you

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<v Speaker 4>guys have done and as I've done, the pay is

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<v Speaker 4>ship and there's increasing pressure to just be a car

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<v Speaker 4>company sicker fan whose main job is not journalism but

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<v Speaker 4>just the reiteration of press kid talking points. And I'd

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<v Speaker 4>rather just buy a razor blade.

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<v Speaker 2>And of bourbon before we go back to YouTube. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>curious you mentioned there the whole business class thing. We

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<v Speaker 2>often hang shit on other murdering journalists on the show

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<v Speaker 2>here because I hate that sort of not me pose

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest bit blood, I just.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the second biggest big Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a bigger bitch here, literally and metaphorical.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that that that is something that is

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<v Speaker 2>that is interesting because I think that you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>a genue an opinion about a product, like a one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent genuine opinion about a product, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>there on their dime, you're flying business class, you're staying

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<v Speaker 2>at all these fancy places. You can't hand on Hart

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<v Speaker 2>tell a camera, this car is garbage. Do not buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're all standing around they review the footage before

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<v Speaker 2>you get it. It's just all sorts of not going

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<v Speaker 2>to work.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, here's my review of every Volkswagen, every Jeep

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<v Speaker 4>and every land Rover. Okay, these things are fucking beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>They are. They are like a Jeep Grand Cherokee is

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<v Speaker 4>so Jack Bauer ye that I want, right, And I've

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<v Speaker 4>never driven a Range Drover that I hate it, never right,

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<v Speaker 4>And every like a Volkswagen Golf GTI classic hot Hatch.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't not love driving those cars. So my review

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<v Speaker 4>is these are the tits. Don't own one. You're insane

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<v Speaker 4>if you buy it because it's great to borrow for

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<v Speaker 4>a week and give back. But you are crazy if

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<v Speaker 4>you own a ship box like that, because that manufacturer

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<v Speaker 4>is predisposed to throwing you under the bus if anything

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<v Speaker 4>goes wrong. Here's the evidence from the a Triple C

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<v Speaker 4>of all of the times that they've breached their obligations,

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<v Speaker 4>that the extortionate repair cost, blah blah blah, their poor reliability,

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<v Speaker 4>European bill quality is a myth. And we could just

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<v Speaker 4>go on and if you're the public relations manager of

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<v Speaker 4>one of those car makers, yep, they can't afford to

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<v Speaker 4>invite somebody who will say what is actually objectively the case.

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<v Speaker 4>So they're sick of fan mining, right, because they've got

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<v Speaker 4>a million dollars to spend on the launch of whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>three hundred thousand, whatever it is, and you don't get paid.

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<v Speaker 4>Your sociopathic asshole who runs the import operation is going

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<v Speaker 4>to rip you a new one if you invite someone

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<v Speaker 4>who just gives an objectively balanced view of how they roll.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, right, yeah, exactly. Well that's a simple fact to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why, in my opinion, if you are buying

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<v Speaker 2>a new car today, I would not buy anything based

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<v Speaker 2>on one review because that one review is someone who

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<v Speaker 2>has been probably whined and dyed by a manufacturer and

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<v Speaker 2>they can't objectively say this is good or bad. My

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<v Speaker 2>advice always is to look at five or six reviews,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the stuff that you do, and take it

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<v Speaker 2>for a test drive yourself, and then have a look

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<v Speaker 2>at the history of the brand as well. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is hard when new cars come out. You obviously don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're going to be like in ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>if a small new platform blah blah blah, but you

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<v Speaker 2>do look at some of the history, some of the recalls,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to make up your own mind. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't just rely on reviews, and with this age of influencers,

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<v Speaker 2>it is the worst. My wife will buy so much

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<v Speaker 2>shit from everywhere based on what she sees on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, those like mum bloggers and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The influencers on Instagram. Yeah, I mean, of shit, just

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<v Speaker 1>a front door every day.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the people that will get flick the keys

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<v Speaker 2>to some new car. I love it because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>new car. Their other car is a ten year old,

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty year old ship box. Of course they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>love it, and then of course they're going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>all their followers how good it is. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I think that these days it is really hard for

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<v Speaker 2>you to have these objective car reviews. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>what we try and do is a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'll actually show people measurements and the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I say in my week with the car, that is

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to say, whose idea was the hardness tester?

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<v Speaker 4>For the fucking dad?

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<v Speaker 1>So do you, by the way, that derometer? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever take that into the bedroom and.

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<v Speaker 2>Go I actually have is a finer scale.

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<v Speaker 1>Smaller dorometer. I didn't want to ask you. Actually, I've

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.320
<v Speaker 1>probably never asked you this before, but you guys get

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<v Speaker 1>flown all around the world for this sort of stuff

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and you're standing there in oh, I don't know, Switzerland

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 1>and you're road testing some sort of a new car

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>that's coming out, and you're like, it's a bucket of shit.

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 1>And then it comes to Australia and you know there's

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<v Speaker 1>been no Australian sort of testing or whatever of it,

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and you've to stand there and kind of go, man,

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>these guys flew me across the world for this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's a flip side to this equation too, though, right,

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.640
<v Speaker 4>because you're a journalist employed by a publisher who is

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<v Speaker 4>deriving a direct commercial benefit from the advertising from that brand.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you get in between that, if you stem

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<v Speaker 4>that tight, that's really bad. Like I've had, I've been

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 4>the subject of some full on car company tantrums where

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 4>I've been, you know, a journalist as a freelancer usually,

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<v Speaker 4>but in between the publisher, maybe a television publisher of

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 4>some note, and then a large Australian car company with

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 4>a line on the badge that is no longer here.

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, and their full on tantrum is impossible. It's

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 4>spectacular and you wouldn't believe it. So if you say

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 4>things that a car company doesn't like, there's a whole

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 4>cascade of mechanisms that kick in, Like if you keep

0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 4>behaving like that, we can't lend you any.

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Of our cars. Yep, and extra job it does.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, And we're not going to take you on our gigs, right,

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and we're going to take you on our launchers right.

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 4>And then if you keep doing that, and if your

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<v Speaker 4>breach is egregious enough, the marketing director will ring up

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 4>the commercial director of the publisher and have a meeting

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 4>about get this clown into line. And if your mortgage

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 4>depends on you doing your job, then that is a

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 4>really uncomfortable position for you. And it's extremely expedient, and

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.919
<v Speaker 4>I understand why people do it. They go, this is

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<v Speaker 4>pretty cushy. It is nice at the pointy end of

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.679
<v Speaker 4>the plane, and I don't want to have another one

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 4>of those meetings. So I'm just going to hear the

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 4>talking points and I'll put my own spin on it here.

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 4>But this car is getting seven point four out of ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. That pretty much that sums up exactly what it's like,

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>and I think there's cars. Yeah, I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same for any industry that we Trevorlong on the show

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 2>recently is the tech guy? Yeah, a lot with do

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you know Trevor? Yeah, how many people do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like a lot of people just think he's

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like a hobo walked in off the streets. I just

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted to break from selling the big.

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Those vacuum cleaner is like, you wouldn't believe what sucks?

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>All right?

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I was needing at the back of the Carronor going, man,

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got to turn out the dos and sucks the

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>crime of a Toba.

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he was openly telling us it's the same

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>in tech. Tell me how you do it?

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 4>Is a car expert surviving the inevitable backlash from saying

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 4>what do you really think? From time to time.

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I think they now realize that we have our site,

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 2>which is now as of last month, Austraighta's biggest new

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>car site in terms of visits. We are caring less

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>about media spend because the business is pivoting to a

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Leeds model and the media spend is contracting so much.

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not like the days of Car Advice where it

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>was mega dollars and you know, you could just print money.

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 2>It's now contracting so much and they've they've taken a

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>bit of control and we need to reverse that. And

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>we're sort of big enough now where you can kind

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>of just do what you need to do.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 4>That's fascinating to me because you know what the response

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 4>from the car industry is to me, deafening silence. Yes, right,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 4>I never get anyone ring me up and say no,

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 4>that's wrong, right, But I don't ever. They don't do pr.

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you know how much they talk about you? Oh?

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like you would not believe well Satan? Like who

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 4>would you rather interview? Satan or Jesus?

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Way better? Stories?

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 4>Stories?

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Say?

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Is what I did to hear for last year.

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>State would share the cocaine.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't know. But you used to

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>be the editor of Car Advice, and I was so

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>to speak under you at the time. It was it

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of loads to bear, but I took

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>it like a champ. It was intimate and one of

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>our things at the time was growing video. And I

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 2>have just this little gem I'm going to very quickly played.

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>We're going to put this on the socials.

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 4>Beautiful look at this guy. Yeah.

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 2>So what we did is we had a we're going

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 2>to cut to the studio setup and this was a

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>video where we were looking at the mans to three

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and then.

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 4>What's the date on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Oh, oh my god, what are you twelve? With

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>an ourfro? I know it's very that's amazing. Yeah, so no,

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>go back.

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I need to say, oh my god, you probably would

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>have been the only ten year old with a full

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>dash of pubes.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>That was the backstory to that. You were with Car

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Advice back then. And actually remember one time I got

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 2>into a lot of trouble from you because we were

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>at Geneva Motor Show.

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 4>Apostrophe in the wrong place?

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Was it? Oh no, no, it was worse than that,

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>And upon reflection, I shouldn't have done it. But I

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>used the word wanker when we're into a wankle in

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to be funny tone, and it turned out it

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 2>wasn't that funny according to you.

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>So are you trying to crack jokes? I'm funny.

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Look the backstory there was and I find this utterly hilarious.

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 4>We've got to air this right because back then Car

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 4>Advice was viewed as being those assholes, those upstart assholes.

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 4>The car industry hated Car Advice. It was just a

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 4>blog that was on a real publication that was just

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Albas's blob.

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>It's it right.

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So, like you guys were young, fresh and like the

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>old boys were kind.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 4>Of at their they brought me on as editor, and

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 4>basically I had to get One of my briefs was

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 4>to get the car industry engaged with the brand. So

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 4>I had to go and meet with Audi and say,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 4>I'll leverage my unsullied reputation, right and and I guarantee

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 4>that these guys will toe the line.

0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 2>And I bet my reputation.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 4>And if you told me that, if you told me

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 4>that in ten years time, I'd just be sitting in

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 4>my garage.

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 4>It's just amazing that the entire inversion of that dynamic

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 4>becaurse now car expert and in the closing stages of

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 4>Car Advice before they shot it in the dick and

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 4>made it drive olbosn't Tony and Paul became the respected

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 4>journalist and I became the antichrist. So it was a

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 4>complete version of that dynamic. It's amazing.

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just funny and yeah, I think that those were

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>fun times because we were learning a lot, and you

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>taught us a lot because you know, we knew nothing elbows.

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 4>I think it's fair to say that you used to

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 4>hate me.

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh look, but I enjoyed a good argument. So that

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>was good fun. Were you?

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 4>You were smart ass back in the day when I

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 4>mean this quite sincerely, and you don't get that very often.

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 4>And we can cut it if you think it's discontinued everything.

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 4>I actually think you're to and out. Okay, thank you, look.

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>At that right, I'm cutting that shit out. No, that's

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the thing.

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 4>It's take the other hundred.

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of people in this industry, and

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I know that we're fucking chopping and changing directions here,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>but just recently you did a video about one in

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 2>one particular person.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just ask, just like, if we can just

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I've just bought a super of outback XT sport and

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm just wondering, do you think I could toe with that?

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, like, I don't know, maybe I'll get some

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of excavator style trailing ye.

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Put like a young day venue on.

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>That's just what I feel like doing. I feel like

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>doing that one day everyone does. Yeah, do you think

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I could like toe that like safely?

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think objectively you could tell it that's been

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 4>done and proven. Oh can you do it legally? I

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 4>don't think so.

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Your opinion, you don't.

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's safe to put that amount of

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 4>load on the towball.

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Right anyway, totally unrelated a mystery, guess Tom Baker come here.

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<v Speaker 4>People often think that that kind of thing is a

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 4>personal attack from me, and I get how somebody would

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 4>not like me upending them for doing something that stupid. Okay,

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 4>but there's a public safety dimension to that. If you

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 4>present that in the context of expert advice, that's dangerous

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 4>and illegal, right, and it should be called out as such.

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 4>Someone's got to do it. You're right, And I didn't

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 4>defame him at all. And I've actually got a lot

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 4>of respect for Tom because he's developed a niche. They do.

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm Tom Baker, this is Jason gos right, Like, he

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 4>does that and it works. There's a niche for that,

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:47.479
<v Speaker 4>and he's not a bad car reviewer, right, It's just

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 4>that when you step into a different domain where there's

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 4>a lot of technical constraints, and if you start towing

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 4>something that's heavier than the vehicle towing it. You really

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 4>need to get that right because the inertial effects of

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 4>the thing that you're towing are beyond sufficient to nudge

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.919
<v Speaker 4>the toe vehicle out of the way. Because the kinds

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 4>of trailers that we tow with in Australia for caravans

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 4>and boats and all manner of things like that, there

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 4>are pig trailers. They've got centralized axle groups and that

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 4>means that they pitch forward very freely, befowd and backwards.

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Then they're uncontrolled comparatively in pitch, and they're also comparatively

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 4>unstable in yours. So that's like the plane of a

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 4>old vinyl record. We're rotating in that plane, they're unstable

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 4>like that. They're okayan roll because the wheels are out

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 4>to the side. But if you get a big heavy trailer,

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 4>it's restraint in pitch and your is dependent on the

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 4>inertia of the vehicle towing it.

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Paul's getting this for later, Yeah, there'll be a test.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 4>All I'm saying is a big heavy trailer, if it's

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 4>too big and too heavy, it can easily nudge the

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 4>tow vehicle off the road and the bigger that mass gets,

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 4>and the bigger the physical size of that thing gets,

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 4>the more likely that is to happen. And the much

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 4>more diligently you've got to approach that exercise. And those

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 4>guys really did not approach that diligently enough, and the

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 4>advice they gave was bad.

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, actually think that all of that is true, but

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 2>the worst part is the optics of it being an

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>insurance company, because guess what if you had a crash

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and they came to inspect it and said, no, you've

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 2>fucked up the trailer loading, you won't meant to have

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 2>a venue that far up a thing.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's an interesting night.

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 2>That's my biggest problem because as a consumer, an insurance

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>company are the first people to try and fuck you.

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 2>They will be there at the front of that line.

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>So I think I've got that.

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 4>Hamphlet with a he's or ankles and this is the

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 4>preferred grip.

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, people make mistakes, but I think that

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>this was on another level altogether. I haven't seen an

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>apology or an admission yet.

0:35:58.120 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Have they taken the video down?

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>The videos come down, But to me, I would be

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>very quickly lining up and saying look, I didn't know

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>what I was talking about. I'm sincerely thanks for your feedback.

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah. That's all it needs to be. It happens.

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 4>I think that's a plus. Fore your integrity, Yeah right,

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.240
<v Speaker 4>if you own it. It's like, hey, we're not fallible.

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 4>We thought we were doing the right thing, but on reflection,

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 4>that was bad and here's how we should have done it.

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.919
<v Speaker 4>That'd be the video I'd do next and ps right,

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and ten bucks At super cheap Audo, you

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 4>can buy a set of scales that are purpose designed

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:38.359
<v Speaker 4>to measure the towball download. So before hooking up an

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 4>unfamiliar trailer to your car, you spend and let's not

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 4>forget the car that you're doing the towing with is

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 4>worth fifty or sixty grand and some of these can

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 4>taj mahals. They're acoustically transparent aluminium hitoire right, three and

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 4>a half ton effluent carriage, so you can he's and

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 4>hers affluent through the Great Australian outback.

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Right, they're one hundred thousand dollars.

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 4>You can afford one hundred and ten bucks for a

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 4>set of scales to measure the table down Jesus, or

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 4>you can visit a public waybridge and measure everything, the

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 4>gross combined mass and the taball down.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 2>They make it so easy literally drive onto it. You

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 2>have one axle here, one axle here. It prints it

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 2>out for you on the screen. You don't have to

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 2>do anything.

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 4>A politician could do it.

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's telling you something.

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:21.919
<v Speaker 1>Hey.

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 4>One thing I did want to bring up was how

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 4>many times have I been sued for defamation?

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Actually that is something. Have you because we have

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 2>gone through this with just your shoes off, how many

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>times have you received letters? No? Really, never out never right,

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 2>suck shit, wear one up on bud.

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 4>I've been I've been extensively trained though about how to

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 4>avoid Yes. And the other thing about defamation, right, is

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 4>the amplification factor, Like look at Ben Robert Smith. How

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 4>many people now know about Ben Roberts Smith conduct who

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 4>did not know about it arising from the initial stories

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 4>that were published, right, plenty, hundreds of thousands probably, So

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 4>there's an amplification factor. If you sue someone for defamation

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 4>and you lose, it gets amplified exactly right, and everything

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 4>you say is potentially defamatory. But there's a couple of

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 4>great defenses like truth substantial truth is pretty good and

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 4>honest opinion as long as you get the hair and

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 4>makeup on honest opinion, right, you've got to present it

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 4>as actually being your opinion and not a fact, and

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.359
<v Speaker 4>it's got to be based on true facts that are

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 4>presented to the audience so that they can make an

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 4>informed decision about that. But maybe the two balancing sort

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 4>of axie is. The other thing is if it's satire,

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 4>then this is why cartoonists don't get sued for defamation, right,

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.439
<v Speaker 4>because it's really not. It's not defamatory in the sense

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 4>that it doesn't make people shun that person, and it

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 4>doesn't destroy their reputation. It just makes you get.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 2>You'll get south Park, right. That would be the perfect

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 2>example of one that would be sued seventy thousand times over.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 2>But you do.

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 4>And the Spice Girls, right. Tea dub has never met

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 4>the Spice Girls to my knowledge, right, and he's never

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.800
<v Speaker 4>been on tour with them. But it's just a funny

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 4>way to present the grubbiest lobby group in the country

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 4>that isn't an oil or gas lobby group.

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I was going to say, we should be careful

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>what we say about Ben Robert Smith, because now that

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Paul has a hum vy, I'm pretty sure they're like

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>right or dies. He picks him up and they go.

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Little cruises together and stuff.

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Hey Benny, what do you reckon?

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:34.439
<v Speaker 2>It is you reckon?

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>We can tell you zigways off that cliff.

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 4>You enjoy that video?

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mate, that thing is a beast. And I just yeah,

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>it's got its own post code, it does. And the

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 2>amount of trouble I went through and the amount of

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 2>dodgy just fucker is that you really tried to screw

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 2>me over along the way and most here in Australia

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 2>as well. Yeah, it's just horrendous, how dishonest some people are.

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 4>All in the name of biosecurity.

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Mate, security in my mind, the fact that you had

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to take your car apart, and.

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I took it mostly apart, but there were some parts

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that clearly were not visible from from the naked eye,

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 2>but it was still past because another guy came. Wasn't

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the really diligent guy. It was his colleague and he goes, oh,

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to do all that pass. I'm like, oh, thanks,

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 2>So biosecurity I think is just And then you had

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>to put the things together. Yeah, thankfully it's got like

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 2>this bit goes here. This built for army people you

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 2>clearly identify with that they're not. I'm not saying army

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>people are stupid or anything. I just mean it's built

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:36.919
<v Speaker 2>for that situation where they can put it back together

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>quickly and not have to read through seven thousand manuals

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>to make stuff work.

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, Hey, you did a post recently about getting

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 1>through the court system. I guess unscathed basically overturning what

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>was it, a speeding red light camera?

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Red light camera? Right?

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 1>The way you articulated that, especially at the start was brilliant,

0:40:58.280 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted you to tell the story behind it

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>because I'm all for road safety and all that sort

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, but I honestly think a lot of this

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff is money grabs by the government.

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.879
<v Speaker 4>People talk about road safety and they talk about road toll,

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 4>the road toll as if it's a door to door

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 4>in Fallujah, right, Like, it's not like that. The most

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 4>dangerous year on the roads in Australia was nineteen seventy,

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 4>and it was I always forget, but it's about three

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 4>It's either three thousand, seven hundred and ninety or three thousand,

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 4>six hundred and ninety people died on the road in

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 4>nineteen to seventy go. It's a lot, it's heaps, it's rough,

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 4>it's more than three times what the road toll is now.

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 4>But there's also been this dramatic increase in the number

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 4>of vehicles and the number of k's we drive, And

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 4>like in Australia we drive two hundred and ten billion

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 4>with a b kilometers, which is more than thirty return

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 4>trips to Pluto, Okay, and about eleven hundred people die.

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 4>That's lower than the toll from suicide. And you know,

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 4>there are other accidental causes of death, like being at

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 4>work is a big one, and accidental falls are big

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 4>as well, and nothing like the resources are devoted to

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 4>suicide prevention, for example, and we get more benefit from

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 4>that than we would to getting on top of the

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 4>road toll. So driving is fucking safe. This is something

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 4>that is never told to the average person. And what's

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 4>what's improved the road toll between nine and seventy in now, Okay,

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 4>we change the culture about drink driving and we made

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 4>seat belts manditory. Yes they're huge, okay. And then there's

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 4>been this incremental and overtime substantial improvement in civil engineering,

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:43.399
<v Speaker 4>meaning safer roads and vehicle safety. We've got safer cars, right,

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 4>So we've chipped away at that, and enforcement plays a role. Okay,

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 4>certainly enforcement plays a yeah, totally. But the thing is

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 4>the regulators in each state they want to take all

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 4>the credit and all they do is enforcement. I forgot

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 4>to mention meta call practices as well. Right, there's been

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 4>a dramatic improvement in critical care for badly injured persons. Okay,

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 4>so that's why road death is reduced. It's got fuck

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 4>all to do with enforcement. So enforcement has become a

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 4>de facto form of taxation. If you drive a car

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 4>from time to time, we're just going to ping you

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more tax And I'd say to the

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 4>average roads minister, why don't you just fess up about

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 4>it and say, well, actually, we need another billion dollars.

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 4>So we're just going to divide the number of registered

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 4>vehicles in the state a billion dollars divided by the

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:37.399
<v Speaker 4>number of registered vehicles. Here's what the new regio fee is.

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 4>And we're going to have a fair enforcement system where

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 4>there's a twelve pointer called drive like a fuck with

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 4>right you've mate, you know why I've stopped you. You drive

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 4>like a fuck with just then that's your license. Go

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 4>on holidays for three months. That'll be a thousand bus. Okay.

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 4>If that was actually the case, I think most people

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:01.760
<v Speaker 4>would get behind it. But when these offenses become technical

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 4>in nature only, and yeah, technically you committed this breach, right,

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 4>but we're still going to find you the full amount

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 4>get fucked. Then you lose faith with the system. And

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 4>when you lose faith with the system, there are some

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 4>really bad knock on effects because you get called for

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 4>jury duty okay, and the courts that the police prosecutor

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 4>is trying to put away some properly bad motherfucker who's

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.960
<v Speaker 4>a drug importer or something, and half of the people

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 4>sitting on the jury are going, I don't trust the

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 4>fucking cops. The only thing I've ever done with them

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.720
<v Speaker 4>they pulled me over six times.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 2>I lost my fucking job.

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 4>Right, there's that kind of dialogue going on inside people's heads,

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 4>and in fact, inside the New South Wales Police Force,

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 4>the proper cops call the highway patrol the jury wreckers

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 4>because they're fully aware of this phenomenon. Right, we'll just

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.280
<v Speaker 4>get that put a call out of the jury wreckers,

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 4>see if they can come here with the fucking pizza.

0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>You talk a lot like trevel Long.

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>It blows my mind the amount of finds this, and

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:08.280
<v Speaker 1>especially the way I guess appealing for a fine as well.

0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Well. They say you can appeal for leniency right if

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 4>it's a trivial offense, if you've got a good record.

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 4>So I hadn't been booked for a driving offense for

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 4>thirty three years, despite driving all these Porsches and BMWM cars,

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 4>and I should have probably been booked on occasion, but

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 4>happily I wasn't right AnyWho. I had this clean record

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 4>that was more than three decades long, and my offense

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 4>was I just had brain fade one day, and when

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 4>the right arrow went green, I misinterpreted that as permission

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 4>to proceed forward. I went half a car length forward

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 4>and went, oh, that's bad, and jammed the brakes on

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 4>and I stopped roughly a car length ahead of where

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 4>I'd been stopped for the past thirty five seconds or

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 4>what thing. And I appealed for leniency to Revenue New

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 4>South Wales and they wrote me back a very polite

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 4>letter which I'll summarize, now get fucked. And I thought, well, bug,

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to take it to court, right, And I

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 4>took it to court, and I had this submission, and

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 4>it was the world's best submission, right, It was the

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 4>best submission ever. It had two character references from a

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 4>former Deputy Prime Minister and the local member for the

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 4>state legislature. We did some road safety courses in the

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 4>local area, and the Federal Police have got a chapter

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 4>with my name on it in the High Speed Pursuit Revision,

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.359
<v Speaker 4>a review that they did a few years ago. So

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:27.319
<v Speaker 4>we did all of that and I've got it all there,

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 4>and it speaks to the triviality of the offense, and

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 4>it speaks to my driving record, the work I'd done

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 4>in road safety, and the likelihood of reoffending. Like been

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 4>licensed for forty two years, don't think I've got another

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.839
<v Speaker 4>forty two in me. Probably safe to let me back

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 4>out on the road. And the magistrate just looked at

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 4>it like this and pushed it to one side and said,

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm not even going to read that, right, And I went.

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 2>This is bad.

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 4>I said, would your honor prefer a concise, verbal executive summary?

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 4>He said, Noah, I don't want that either. Can you

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 4>just issued me what's called a Section ten one, a dismissal.

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 4>Section ten of the Crime Sentencing Procedure Act nineteen ninety

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 4>nine allows the magistrate to consider the totality of the

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 4>circumstances plus all these other things like your age and

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 4>your character and your record and anything else they want

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 4>to consider, and they can dismiss your charge if it's warranted.

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 4>So if you stab someone thirty two times and it's

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.439
<v Speaker 4>all called on video, and you've got a double bag

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 4>with crystal meth in it, and you know a dozen

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 4>bishops have seen it as well their eyewitnesses.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Don't expect from me last weekend.

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 4>Don't expect your section down one day. There's a one

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 4>B and a one C you can get as well.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 4>One B is what you might think of as a

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 4>good behavior bond, right, so then they can say, yeah,

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 4>we're going to dismiss that, but we're going to they

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 4>call them conditional release orders. We're going to require you

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 4>to be not committing another traffic offense for twelve months

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 4>or two years. And then one C is the same thing,

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 4>except they require you to do an offenders program. So

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 4>it's a drug offense, it'll be an addiction program. In

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 4>the case of a traffic offense, it's the traffic offenders program.

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 4>But if you really are just an anti social cock

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:10.919
<v Speaker 4>behind the wheel and you don't deserve it, in fact,

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 4>you deserve more of a knee in the slats than

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 4>the original fine, they can amp.

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 2>It right up. Yeah, because that's the risk you run,

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 2>right when you go to court the makers grand and go.

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 4>Two grand and twelve months off the road.

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they can go the original farmer's two

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 2>hundred bucks. I'm actually going to make it whatever and

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to cancel your license, whether that's and that's

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the problem, right, if you genuinely want to appeal it,

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you run the risk of that, And that's why a

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of people don't because they're like, Oh, I don't

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>want to lose a day off work, I don't want

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to have all these problems.

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Because sometimes it's just easier to take three points and

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 1>six hundred bucks or whatever.

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 2>You're kind of used to.

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of used to being asked questions by people

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and standing in front of a microphone and being on

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 4>the spot, right, But I'd be lying if I said

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't slightly nerve racking.

0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're in it, and I've been through this experience

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 2>as well. I'll explain why in a second. But you

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 2>you're in a room there with a lot of people

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>who may have done some really bad stuff. And this

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:07.839
<v Speaker 2>is the frame of mind they put you in as well,

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>because you associate yourselves with some of these other people.

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be there, you don't want to

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.840
<v Speaker 2>be seen there. It's just not a nice place to be.

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 2>But they set it up in that way so that

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 2>you're dissuaded from doing it, and they set it up

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 2>in such a complex way that the first thing you

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>do what it's like in New South Wales, but you

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 2>get to mention, which you attend. You then get a

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>court date to go to. And at the court date,

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>if it's one of these traffic fences, they have a

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 2>prosecutor that works for them, they're on retainer. Typically they'll

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>bring in if there's a police officer involved them as

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 2>a witness. It is quite an intimidating thing and you

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.840
<v Speaker 2>made immediately to feel like a bad guy before anything's

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 2>even happened.

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 4>Everyone else does it every day, yeah, right, The prosecutor

0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 4>does it every day. The magistrate does it every day.

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 4>The police officer who's coming in to testify against you,

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 4>if it's a cop thing, then he's been to court

0:49:58.080 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 4>a million times, yafull he knows how to test a

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 4>lit if he has to.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>It'd be like him coming to host a live radiation.

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.799
<v Speaker 2>He'd have no idea what to do to be intimidating.

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 2>It's still a.

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Live cross on seven tomorrow morning, six fifteen. Let's see

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 4>how you go.

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.280
<v Speaker 2>It would have been a time to like, yeah, yeah, wow,

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 2>this is the thing. And I went through something similar

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 2>when I graduated UNI. I had to go to my

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>graduation and I thought I'll catch the training because I

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.880
<v Speaker 2>can't be fuck looking for parking. And I went to

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the train station. It was the point where they were

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.360
<v Speaker 2>switching over to Mikey, which is the totally fuck ticketing

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.399
<v Speaker 2>system we have in New Victoria. Is that still there?

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I think, So I don't.

0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Do it commers.

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:37.400
<v Speaker 2>So I went to the train station and wanted to

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 2>buy a paper ticket. And got to the train station

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and they had up until a month after this point

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that paper tickets were going to exist. The machine was

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 2>out of order, and I thought, well, I've got my

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Mikey here, it's a concession one. I'm no longer a student.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to use that because they'll dick me

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 2>for not being a student. As soon as I get

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to the train station, I'll buy a ticket explaining what's happened.

0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 2>At this point, I'd caught a train a few times,

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 2>get on and the ticket inspectors are there, and I thought,

0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll just show him the photos. The reasonable people didn't

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 2>give a fuck, gives me a thing, and I said, okay,

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 2>well I'm going to take this to court, and he

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't care anyway. They I decided to take it to court.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 2>At the mention, the prosecutor came up to me and

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 2>offered me a dismissal. But with the dismissal, I had

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 2>to plead guilty, and I'm like, fuck that, I'm not

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 2>pleading guilty on this. So I was slightly different to

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Johns scenario. So I went back again for the actual

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:30.280
<v Speaker 2>court case, and with me, I had my brief of evidence,

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:34.240
<v Speaker 2>had all the photos, It had the legislation for tickets,

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>which was that you had to have made a reasonable

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 2>attempt to buy a ticket. I had the exact coins

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 2>in my hand that I photographed, the machine wasn't working

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>photographed and what they did the two ticket inspectors, because

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 2>they're always hunting in pairs so they can work at

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 2>work as witnesses. They lied to the magistrate. They said

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.359
<v Speaker 2>they both stood there and talked to me, and they

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>both listened to me. One just kept walking. They weren't

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 2>even together. And I thought, if I'm up against these liars,

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're never going to win. And thankfully the

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 2>magistrate was reasonable look through the evidence. The prosecutor just

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>had nothing, and they found me not guilty, dismissed, and

0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I got to claim cost as well for the two

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>days that I lost from work. So I think that

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>if you are in that position, obviously, if you're doing

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty and you go I didn't do

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it, it's like, all right, well, lasers are virtually accurate to

0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 2>within a kilometer an hour over a kilometer speed. Cameras

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>are accurate these. I don't bother wasting your time on that.

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.839
<v Speaker 2>But if you're in a situation like your in or

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I was in, if.

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 4>It really is true doing it and you've got a

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 4>good record, then it's not like you're gaming the system.

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 4>They've written the legislation exactly for that, right, So you

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.479
<v Speaker 4>I also wanted to send a message that I wasn't

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.279
<v Speaker 4>just going to copy it on the chin. Yeah, right,

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 4>And I think more people should do that if there

0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 4>is a serious case that they might get a dismissal.

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 4>And the other thing about all of this stuff that

0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 4>would really be of benefit to the listener is that

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 4>if you get stopped, it's your conduct when you get

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.960
<v Speaker 4>stopped by the cops, for example, is really important. Like

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 4>you should be respectful because things can get dramatically worse

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.040
<v Speaker 4>for you if you're not. But you should also a

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 4>not make any admissions because the cop might have nothing yep. Right,

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 4>he might sincerely believe that you've done whatever he accuses

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.440
<v Speaker 4>you of doing, but he might have nothing. Okay, So

0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 4>his objective is going to be to walk up to

0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.800
<v Speaker 4>you and get you, particularly he's got a body camera.

0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 4>He's going to want you to make an admission that

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 4>you did it. And if that's a laid down maasaire,

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.160
<v Speaker 4>you can no longer plead not guilty. Right if you

0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 4>admit it, that's like, yeah, I stabbed him, so what right?

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:41.719
<v Speaker 2>And then you decide later on.

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's just with a paper clip That's one of

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the first question they will generally ask you when you're

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 1>pulled over, is do you know why I pulled you over?

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because that's an omission of.

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Guilt, right, Yeah, because I was speeding, right Yeah.

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>And you could play it both ways as well. I mean,

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:58.120
<v Speaker 2>if you in the history of people getting pulled over

0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 2>by police, telling or argue with them, I don't think

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.400
<v Speaker 2>anyone has ever got off a fine where they eventually,

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.359
<v Speaker 2>after ten minutes of arguing, the cops go, oh no, no,

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 2>you're right, off you go. So I don't think being

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 2>aggressive helps at all.

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 4>But not making a mission anything, Yeah, admissions are so bad.

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 4>And the other thing you should do is film it

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 4>on your phone if necessary, but to go probably better

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 4>with big fat wide lens. Right, just film everything.

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'll tell you what works really well. Tell them

0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>me a sovereign citizen.

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 2>No. I actually did that the other day when I

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:32.160
<v Speaker 2>went got a random breath test, just going through one

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:33.719
<v Speaker 2>of those, and she goes, how's your day going, And

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm a sovereign citizen and then she just

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.400
<v Speaker 2>feat like that. I'm like, I'm just kidding, and she

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>thankfully laughed and didn't shoot me. Or anything. But you

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:42.360
<v Speaker 2>see some of those.

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:44.520
<v Speaker 4>Things, you weren't a ninety year old granny with a steak, now.

0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's the thing. It really is about how you

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 2>conduct yourself, and it is about not putting your foot

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.279
<v Speaker 2>in it, because ultimately they will stop, let's say ten

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:59.279
<v Speaker 2>to fifteen people in a session, they will take some

0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.920
<v Speaker 2>very basic and if you've admitted, all they're going to

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 2>write down is Yep, they've admitted it. It's at this

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 2>recording on my GoPro or my voice recorder. I'm good

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to go. If you don't admit to anything, there is

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 2>a good chance that of those ten they haven't taken

0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:13.879
<v Speaker 2>notes down. But the time it gets to court, they

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 2>have to have sufficient evidence to be able to do anything.

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 2>And if all they've got is you saying I didn't

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.279
<v Speaker 2>do it, and they don't have anything else, I mean,

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.280
<v Speaker 2>they have no ability to charge you with anything.

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, that happened to former Prime Minister Paul Keating right right.

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 4>The cops alleged that he drove through a red light.

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 4>He said no, I didn't, yep, and they gave him

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 4>a ticket for it. He took it to court. They

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 4>said he did. He said he didn't there was no

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.600
<v Speaker 4>other evidence, and the magistrates said, well, on the balance

0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 4>of all of this, there's no compelling there's reasonable doubt.

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Just because the cops says you did it, it

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that that's true. No, they're not somehow not.

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.319
<v Speaker 2>You know that they're not all perfect non liars, you

0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like, how can they have to

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:55.040
<v Speaker 2>have something?

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:58.799
<v Speaker 4>But in between my red light transgression and it being

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 4>dismissed was six months. So if you're a cop and

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:06.239
<v Speaker 4>you work the full six months, can you even remember

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:07.760
<v Speaker 4>the interaction with the dude?

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely in court? No, yep, exactly, It's just.

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Be a sea of face, Yeah, wouldn't it.

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:14.840
<v Speaker 2>You know. The other funny thing as well, had you

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:19.319
<v Speaker 2>have approached that intersection, breaked late and stopped in the

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 2>position where you were prior to it going read, nothing

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>would have happened. This is the thing. So just because

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>you drove forward but didn't go through the actual intersection,

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you now have six months of your life you have

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 2>to worry about all this stuff and waste your time

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 2>getting references.

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's not cost effective to go to court, right BECA,

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 4>It's just not not even if you don't have a lawyer, right.

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:42.799
<v Speaker 2>It's not for you or the taxpayer. No, No one

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>wins out of that, yep.

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 4>So the thing you've got to do is you've got

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 4>to decide what the definition of value is. Because if

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 4>you're doing it to save money, just pay the fine, right,

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 4>But if you're doing it to make a statement, and

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 4>in my case, I was hoping it would be a

0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:00.799
<v Speaker 4>decent story as well, so that's worth it. But it

0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 4>took me roughly two days off work to get my

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 4>shit together, and part of that was I paid a lawyer,

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:10.319
<v Speaker 4>like I'd interviewed a bunch of lawyers about it in

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.719
<v Speaker 4>the past, but I thought, you're a dick if you

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 4>don't actually get a game plan out of a lawyer.

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 4>And that cost me three hundred and thirty bucks, which

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 4>was nearly as much as the fine, So you know

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 4>you're not going to be financially in front. But the

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 4>other thing is if you get booked, you should fight it.

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 4>If it's fightable, you should fight the first one because

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.600
<v Speaker 4>if you wait till your license is hanging by a thread,

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 4>the court will look at your record and you look

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 4>like a shit driver, and you'll be less likely to

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 4>get a dismissal if you've got a bunch of current offenses.

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 1>What's the term they used, by the way, was it

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a pardon?

0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 4>Like, what's the It's a dismissal.

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It's an actual dismissal.

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 4>It's a dismissal under Section ten.

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>That's good crime, because that's what you know. For me,

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I reckon, like the wording would want to be we

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:55.280
<v Speaker 1>fucked up.

0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean?

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 4>It's dismissed, like you admit the guilt of it. And

0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 4>they look at the totality of the circumstances and go,

0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:06.240
<v Speaker 4>you know what, We're going to let him off. Yeah,

0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 4>I said, no, fine, no points, no black mark on

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 4>your record, which is pretty cool. And in fact it was.

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.840
<v Speaker 4>It was the one light. It was the one shining

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 4>light of actual fairness within the system, at least as

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 4>far as I saw it. And I watched a bunch

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 4>of other traffic offenders getting up throughout the course of

0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 4>the morning, and the ones who deserved it, they got

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.439
<v Speaker 4>their dismissal, and the ones who didn't they got told

0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 4>they weren't getting it, you know. So I saw that

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 4>as actually being a reasonably fair and just place, unlike

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:39.919
<v Speaker 4>all of the interactions up to that point.

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a good point. I wanted to ask you,

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what's next for you? Are you our death?

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Most probably, I'll tell you what I'll tell you what's

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 1>next for him. We're going out after this.

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, and we're just unfortunately it's out to have

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 2>some pizza. But no, Wow, that's a big night out.

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, are you are you happy doing the

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 2>YouTube stuff? Do you have any other plans? You know,

0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 2>what's your what's your sort of what are your future prospects?

0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 2>People are just happy cruising.

0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Can't you accept my future prospects are? I'm fundamentally unemployable right,

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 4>And like Satan isn't going to get a job anywhere else.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:28.040
<v Speaker 4>He's in Hell, He's got ship to do. I'm like,

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:31.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm like Satan in this domain. There's fires to stoke

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 4>and there's people to roast, and you know that kind of.

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Makes me to keep you busy.

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 4>And it's not like I'm going to make anything up.

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 4>We live in this post satire era where the news

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 4>is actually a bigger inversion of reality of here's the test, you.

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Know, utopia, right?

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:56.040
<v Speaker 4>The show? If if I were writing a script for

0:59:56.080 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 4>a show, and I mentioned some of the plot to

1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:05.840
<v Speaker 4>some of the stories like Carlos Gone Right, escaping from

1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:11.760
<v Speaker 4>almost certain long term imprisonment in Japan, being smuggled out

1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:16.960
<v Speaker 4>of his rather opulent penthouse apartment in a fucking musical

1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 4>instrument case and put on a plane, a chartered plane

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<v Speaker 4>by two former Special Ops dudes. Like if I wrote

1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 4>that in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Script, you cannot make it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Some executive at via common ring up and go mate,

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<v Speaker 4>play off the crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you'll never get he ends up in Lebanon as

1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:37.680
<v Speaker 2>well as mate, Okay, go back and.

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<v Speaker 4>Get and he's a national hero, right, come on, But

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<v Speaker 4>if you look at Rupert Stadler as well, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you look at the former.

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<v Speaker 2>Winter Corn, oh yes, yeah, Martin Wintercorn.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Winter Corn is under indictment in the US and

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<v Speaker 4>the only reason he'll never get prosecuted is because and

1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:03.959
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't extradite It's citizens to the United States because

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<v Speaker 4>of that nastiness you know back in the forties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, okay, well, let I guess solidifies that so

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<v Speaker 2>we won't see you know, you've got autoex but we

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<v Speaker 2>won't see you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Fan that's coming up act is Yeah, well this is

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<v Speaker 1>me with some velvelen, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>What I mean, I don't think we'll see an only fan.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm almost certain about that. But I've always thought there

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<v Speaker 4>was there's a broader application for that kind of thing

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<v Speaker 4>that I do, because there's so many media sicker fans, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's nauseating. And I think the audience is smarter

1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.600
<v Speaker 4>than they were in the seventies too, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 4>there's a really fascinating biopic with a whole bunch of

1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:49.840
<v Speaker 4>big names in it, like Robert Downey Jr. And that

1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:53.560
<v Speaker 4>it's it's called good Night and good Luck. Everyone should

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<v Speaker 4>watch that because it's that pivotal moment in journalism in

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<v Speaker 4>the McCarthy era in the United States where they actually

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<v Speaker 4>decided to start taking sides yep, right, And if you're

1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:07.080
<v Speaker 4>interested in how the media works, it's a really interesting story.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So, what we've got at the moment is so many

1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.560
<v Speaker 4>sicker fans. So we need a few more alaric and

1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:17.200
<v Speaker 4>upstarts like you guys have got potential in the alaric

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<v Speaker 4>and upstartery department. Although I appreciate that you still want

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<v Speaker 4>to be on speaking terms in the car industry for

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<v Speaker 4>the most where it's like I couldn't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you're not talking to me again, Okay, dude, understood.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll try and sleep. Okay, so enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually just on that, just a couple of quick questions

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<v Speaker 1>while we wrap. Is there a car this year that's

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<v Speaker 1>made you happy? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a car that you kind of go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually lives up to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hype or that you would surprise. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it's released this year. But the

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<v Speaker 4>car I would buy just to please myself right now

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<v Speaker 4>is he under thirty en? Because I think it's just

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<v Speaker 4>goodza fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Great answer, Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 4>BMWN three and cars of that nature. They just intimidate

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<v Speaker 4>the shit out of me. They're exciting. But I can't

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<v Speaker 4>milk a car like that for all this work.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't got that, so I don't think many people can.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think most of the people consuming those sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of cars, I really don't think they're taking it to

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<v Speaker 1>the track like I honestly don't. I think it's very

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<v Speaker 1>The track stuff is a very niche thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They want people to look at them in their M

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<v Speaker 4>three And the only thing is they're not the only

1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:23.560
<v Speaker 4>dot that they're not joining in that particular sequence is

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<v Speaker 4>most of the people looking at them in their M

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<v Speaker 4>three are thinking what a.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct answer.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting because, like they you do spend a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money for these cars, say, maybe not so

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<v Speaker 1>much to the Ends, but for the M three, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite a track focused car. You're really not going

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<v Speaker 1>to ever be able to drive that to it's true potential.

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<v Speaker 1>You can kind of show off to mates and can

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<v Speaker 1>go check it out. Look how quick I can take

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<v Speaker 1>this corner and all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But the M three is looking back at you when

1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:55.960
<v Speaker 4>you're doing that. The M three is looking back at

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<v Speaker 4>you and going, is that all you're going?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Lol, yeah, whatever the German equivalent of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the end.

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<v Speaker 2>The Ends are cool little cars too.

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<v Speaker 4>I really do like you're going to be a pretty

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<v Speaker 4>spect driver to milk the shit out of them too.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got to say, like the performance potential can only

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<v Speaker 4>be accessed on a track, and you have to be

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<v Speaker 4>on it to make it, to make it really perform.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a it's a really good package, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fact that they called like the front wheel

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<v Speaker 1>drive on it a feature too, I thought was really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting when it was first released.

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<v Speaker 2>After a while you kind of go, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>This is like, well that is really spooky, like it

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<v Speaker 4>allows you to get on the gas so far in

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<v Speaker 4>advance of an apex, because you know you're playing this

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<v Speaker 4>game a chicken with yourself on the track all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>like how early can I get on the gas? How

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<v Speaker 4>early can I get on the gas all the time?

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<v Speaker 4>How late can I break? How early can I get

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<v Speaker 4>on the gas? And the answer is a lot earlier

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<v Speaker 4>than that, dickhead?

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<v Speaker 2>You go again, right, yeah, what about what about EV's?

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we? Where are we at with the Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What is your thing on EV's? Because I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you you had certain views on elon Musk. Where are

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<v Speaker 2>you at with evs? Because my opinion has changed?

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<v Speaker 4>Mine was since you bought the hummer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes that's right, yeah, yeah, we've we've owned two teslas

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<v Speaker 2>now and the first one was a lithium ion and

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<v Speaker 2>since then, looking at thermal runaway and how dangerous they

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<v Speaker 2>can be in those situations, my mind has changed on

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<v Speaker 2>the LFP batteries that aren't susceptible to that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thermal runaway as susceptible as susceptible to that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thermal runaway and to me, if I'm putting family in

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<v Speaker 2>the car, it's just a better safety feature for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that we're there yet with that battery ticket?

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<v Speaker 2>I know that an internal combustion car will catch on

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<v Speaker 2>fire as well if you put a lighter near combustible fuel.

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<v Speaker 2>But are we there yet?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Okay, So the big difference is you can put

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<v Speaker 4>a combustion car fire out with water.

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<v Speaker 2>Or film and fairly quickly as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But with a catastrophic thermal runaway, the decomposition of

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<v Speaker 4>the electrolyte in the bat manufactures its own oxygen gas,

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<v Speaker 4>so it can't be put out by deprivation of atmospheric oxygen,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a conventional firefighting mechanism in Europe. What they

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<v Speaker 4>have to do before the thermal runaway occurs, when the

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<v Speaker 4>car's just on fire making a few bit of smoke

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<v Speaker 4>sort of thing before it really kicks off, They put

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<v Speaker 4>it in. They get a truck and they bring a

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<v Speaker 4>big tub of water, like a big carsized bath tub,

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<v Speaker 4>and they crane the car into that and water is

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<v Speaker 4>the thermal shock absorber from hell, and that just keeps

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<v Speaker 4>sucking heat out of the battery so that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>reach the state of catastrophic thermal runaway, and the catastrophic

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<v Speaker 4>thermal runaway phenomenon is what ultimately sunk the Felicity Ace

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<v Speaker 4>about a year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, the moment that had the stack of porschey

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<v Speaker 2>Vs and eat.

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<v Speaker 4>So one of them kicked off and had a on

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<v Speaker 4>the balance of probability, no one knows because it's three

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<v Speaker 4>and a half kilometers down the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, right,

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<v Speaker 4>but four thousand cars. That ship had the capacity to

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<v Speaker 4>carry four thousand cars. I don't know if it had the

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<v Speaker 4>full four thousand on board, but anyway, it was a

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred million dollar disaster, and it's because of the

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<v Speaker 4>different nature of thermal runaways.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're not there with evs. There's two major things.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not there with the integration of them into society

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<v Speaker 4>because in the West field of the future, there's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be one hundred EV's and many of them are

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<v Speaker 4>going to be plugged in, and one of them might

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<v Speaker 4>have been in a minor fender bender, and the bumper

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<v Speaker 4>could be on with gaffer tape and it could have

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<v Speaker 4>a problem with the battery, right, and you plug it in,

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<v Speaker 4>Mum and Dad go shopping. And it has a thermal

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<v Speaker 4>runaway and it picks up the three or four evs

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<v Speaker 4>around it. They have thermal runaways, and when that thermal

1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:46.800
<v Speaker 4>runaway event happens in an enclosed space, it's extremely dangerous

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<v Speaker 4>because of the chemicals like hydrofluoric acid. And the other

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<v Speaker 4>one is cobalt. Right. Two firefighters in Victoria are medically

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<v Speaker 4>retired because of their exposure to cobalt following a EV

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<v Speaker 4>file and they turn up with a PPE.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing about cobalt is you get it on your skin.

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<v Speaker 4>It fucks you, right, you don't even have to breathe it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're not really there in terms of the management

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<v Speaker 4>of these risks. And it's a real dichotomy when you've

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<v Speaker 4>got low probability events because it's not likely that it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to happen. Probability is really low, but the seriousness,

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<v Speaker 4>the severity of the event when it does happen, is

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<v Speaker 4>extremely high. So we haven't really integrated that into society.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think we're also over selling evs to the population.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's evidenced by when you look at the EV

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<v Speaker 4>Council and and who sponsors the EV Council, right, Who

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<v Speaker 4>pays the bills. There there's a lot of energy companies

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<v Speaker 4>because what a lot of energy retailers want you to

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<v Speaker 4>do is they want you to look at the EV

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<v Speaker 4>because it's a shiny new toy you can buy and

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<v Speaker 4>we can save the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>But also you can use a shitload of electricity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and help us make a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, coal projects and gas projects, they're all over the horizon.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't really see them, but you can see the evs.

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<v Speaker 4>So in terms of their environmental benefit, their greenhouse benefit,

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<v Speaker 4>they're being over sold. Then if we get Harry Potter's freakin'

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<v Speaker 4>wand and replace every passenger car in the country with

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<v Speaker 4>an EV right now, we make an eight percent difference

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<v Speaker 4>to our greenhouse gas emissions because that's the contribution of

1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:32.000
<v Speaker 4>passenger cars, right, Passenger vehicles like light vehicles, And that's

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<v Speaker 4>if the electricity used to charge them is all sustainable electricity,

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<v Speaker 4>which it's not. Okay, So this conflation of evs with

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<v Speaker 4>real climate action. They're part of a solution, but the

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<v Speaker 4>real big part of the solution is coal and gas,

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<v Speaker 4>and nobody wants to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and that's that's the thing with EV's. I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you're buying it to make an environmental stance.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know that it's the right thing at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. And we didn't buy ours for that reason.

1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:02.479
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted a fast TV and that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And I rarely have drive it anyway. My wife drives it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it does it serves that purpose. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do think infrastructure is shit, and it really pisces

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<v Speaker 2>me off with companies like charge Fox who take all

1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:18.479
<v Speaker 2>of this government money to roll out infrastructure. You go,

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<v Speaker 2>there's our taxpayer money. They're partly funded by governments. A

1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:24.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of the charges they do are funded by governments.

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<v Speaker 2>You go there and plug in. Thing doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, they seem to be answerable to nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the thing them. THEO was drunk. Sorry,

1:10:34.200 --> 1:10:38.759
<v Speaker 2>I should have still Again, the authority that basically dishes

1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:41.040
<v Speaker 2>out this money for these projects, We've contacted them to

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<v Speaker 2>ask them how many of the charges that taxpayers have

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<v Speaker 2>funded are currently working. No one responds to any emails that.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't want to talk about uptime.

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<v Speaker 2>No EV Council is is just a money spinning operation.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a look at how many employees they have,

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<v Speaker 2>and how much money car companies and these energy companies

1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:01.519
<v Speaker 2>are paying them. Tell you what, there's not much being spent,

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<v Speaker 2>but there is a lot coming in.

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<v Speaker 4>So so the last key of launch I ever went

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<v Speaker 4>on was the key EV six, and I said to them,

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<v Speaker 4>let me drive on home because it was in camera,

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<v Speaker 4>so it'll make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's what happens. They give me the keys to

1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.040
<v Speaker 4>the car, they say, yeah, here's your EV six, and

1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:19.680
<v Speaker 4>I go, how much charges have got? And they go

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<v Speaker 4>all the charges downstairs in the hotel room were blown up,

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<v Speaker 4>so we don't really know. A couple hundred k's maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>And I go, okay, that's great, I'll charge up on

1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:33.519
<v Speaker 4>the way home. So I pull up in Goulben and

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<v Speaker 4>one of the charges is dead like brown bread, and

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<v Speaker 4>the other one is reported by the app as being up,

1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:43.120
<v Speaker 4>but it's got a completely black screen. So it's kind

1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:46.559
<v Speaker 4>of like trying to use your smartphone with no screen. Okay,

1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:49.799
<v Speaker 4>bit difficult, It's okay if you've got a great memory.

1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:53.200
<v Speaker 4>And then the last charger is up, I go, great,

1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:55.439
<v Speaker 4>so I pick it up, plug it in, and I've

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<v Speaker 4>charged up a thousand EV's by now, so plug it in.

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<v Speaker 4>And what's going to happen first is it goes through

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<v Speaker 4>this handshake routine where where the plug goes into the socket,

1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:06.120
<v Speaker 4>the socket grabs the plug so you can't withdraw it

1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:09.200
<v Speaker 4>while it's being charge and strike the world's biggest welding

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<v Speaker 4>up right, so you can feel the servo motor or

1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:16.640
<v Speaker 4>whatever it is trying or the solenoid trying to grab it.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's trying and failing right because the plug is worn.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing wrong with the car. But at this stage

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<v Speaker 4>I've exhausted all charging opportunities. I can't get back to

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<v Speaker 4>Sydney without making this work. So I have five or

1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:32.680
<v Speaker 4>six cracks at it, and on the sixth crack, it

1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:35.599
<v Speaker 4>grabs the plug and I go, yay. I knew i'd

1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:38.280
<v Speaker 4>get there eventually, but what a prick to ease right.

1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:41.559
<v Speaker 4>And then so I get home, but I'm making these

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<v Speaker 4>plans to call Kiir and say, hey, if you want

1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:46.040
<v Speaker 4>your EV six back, it's parked in the back lot

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<v Speaker 4>here and I'm hitching a ride with somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Else and there's my uber bill as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was a better story than reviewing the EV six,

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<v Speaker 4>because this is the reality of the whole deal, and

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<v Speaker 4>if I'd bought an EV six in Canberra, dropped eighty

1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:02.640
<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars and my own money on it, and that

1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:06.760
<v Speaker 4>was my first impression of driving it to Sydney, which

1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:10.479
<v Speaker 4>hypothetically should be a piece of piss, I'd be gutted.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the issue, right. These car companies can't do really

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<v Speaker 2>anything about it, and that's why Tesla has been so

1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.080
<v Speaker 2>clever in the way that they've rolled out charging infrastructure

1:13:20.080 --> 1:13:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're now charging brands. I mean in the States now,

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<v Speaker 2>Ford and I think GM have now said that they're

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<v Speaker 2>moving to Tesla's charging standards. They've moved away from CCS

1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:31.920
<v Speaker 2>or the type one plug, So I think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a sign of things to come. But it's also bad

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<v Speaker 2>news if you own a Tesla because you had these

1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:38.280
<v Speaker 2>exclusive charges that were only yours, that are now very

1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:41.440
<v Speaker 2>busy during public holidays, that very shortly will be accessible

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<v Speaker 2>by everyone who doesn't own a Tesla.

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<v Speaker 4>Where's the grid upgrade program? Like if you're some rich

1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:53.120
<v Speaker 4>wanka in a in observatory tower down there in Kent Street, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I know someone who lives there, So there are no

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<v Speaker 4>EV charges in that car park I've ever seen anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to upgrade that, where's the power going

1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:06.960
<v Speaker 4>to come from? Because if you wanted to put a

1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:10.200
<v Speaker 4>seven killer watt charger in every one of those parking

1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:14.080
<v Speaker 4>spaces for the electric utope ere of the future, where's

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<v Speaker 4>the local grid upgrade? Where are they rolling that out?

1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:21.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm not seeing a whole bunch of NBN style dudes

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<v Speaker 4>in pickup trucks, you know, putting big, bigger, fatter wires

1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:25.599
<v Speaker 4>in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what turned me off, actually, because my apartment

1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:32.320
<v Speaker 1>building wouldn't allow you know, charging stations at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't you do that?

1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about to say, many of them won't.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only way to get around it is to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. We've just done at our place, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>that is rolling out an initiative to install av charges

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll explain how it works and the cost of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we ran cable trays through the entire car park,

1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:53.400
<v Speaker 2>We install Wi Fi through the entire car park for

1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:55.640
<v Speaker 2>cars to do upgrades and whatever. And then what we

1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.200
<v Speaker 2>did is we did a load study on our incoming

1:14:58.240 --> 1:15:00.599
<v Speaker 2>supply over seven days to look at peak and troughs,

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<v Speaker 2>and then what we did is determined overhead supply deducted

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<v Speaker 2>a safety margin and that was your EV capacity. Then

1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:10.920
<v Speaker 2>what happens is there's a load manager, and what it

1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:14.280
<v Speaker 2>does is it constantly reads the incoming supply to tell

1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:16.680
<v Speaker 2>you how much you have in terms of buffer, and

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<v Speaker 2>then as the EV's plug in, it'll ramp up and

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<v Speaker 2>ramp down EV. So if it's off peak, you can

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<v Speaker 2>have up to seven odd killer wats, and if it's

1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:26.559
<v Speaker 2>on peak, they'll ramp it down to a killer WAT

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<v Speaker 2>potentially if they're all plugged in at once. Yeah, all great,

1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:33.080
<v Speaker 2>except for our apartment which has one hundred and seventy

1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:43.000
<v Speaker 2>five units just on the mass. That's about seventy odd

1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:45.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars for that upgrade so far. And there's a

1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:47.880
<v Speaker 2>couple of extra bits and pieces that need to happen. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of apartment buildings if you look at it

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<v Speaker 2>these days in the news body corporates don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>cent to spare shows. Has been well managed because i'm

1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:57.639
<v Speaker 2>the chair, but it's been a well managed terms of budget,

1:15:57.640 --> 1:15:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and we have this overhead. If you don't have that

1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:01.760
<v Speaker 2>over head and you rent, or even if you rent

1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and you don't own, it is very hard slash impossible

1:16:04.960 --> 1:16:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to have an EV that you can charge at home,

1:16:07.040 --> 1:16:10.040
<v Speaker 2>which is ideally for us. We only ever, you know,

1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:12.840
<v Speaker 2>we've done twenty thousand k's in hours now over the

1:16:12.880 --> 1:16:15.400
<v Speaker 2>period of a year. We basically only have a drive

1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:17.400
<v Speaker 2>to Geelong or to Ballarat to see families. It's one

1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:19.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten hundred and twenty k's away. If I'm

1:16:19.400 --> 1:16:22.639
<v Speaker 2>driving further, I park the EV. If it's a long weekend,

1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I park the EV and we'll take our other car

1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:27.080
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to get trapped with a two

1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:29.439
<v Speaker 2>year old winging in the back seat at a charger

1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:32.360
<v Speaker 2>when I'm tenth in Q waiting who knows how long.

1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:34.360
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the reality, and people don't like that.

1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:37.280
<v Speaker 2>When I mention it, I'm a public enemy number one

1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:40.800
<v Speaker 2>of the Tesla Model three Model Y Owners club on Facebook.

1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I had to leave the group because there's so many

1:16:42.840 --> 1:16:43.880
<v Speaker 2>just fuckwits in there.

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<v Speaker 4>But EV's are a religion. Yeah, there's a group in

1:16:47.280 --> 1:16:50.839
<v Speaker 4>society for whom EV's are a religion. It's not unlike

1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:52.920
<v Speaker 4>gun culture in the United States.

1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't make logical arguments with EV zealots.

1:16:58.120 --> 1:16:59.599
<v Speaker 2>You just came exactly, And a lot of the time

1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:03.280
<v Speaker 2>it's their first new car or the newest car they've

1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:05.360
<v Speaker 2>had for a while, and they're blown away with all

1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:07.559
<v Speaker 2>these features, like yeah, when I put the indicator on,

1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:09.479
<v Speaker 2>the thing comes up on the screen. I'm like, okay,

1:17:09.880 --> 1:17:12.519
<v Speaker 2>under key, you do that, Like it's yeah, Tesla didn't

1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:16.400
<v Speaker 2>invent this stuff. They really their self driving stuff is

1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:19.559
<v Speaker 2>horrendously bad. But no one, no one talks about this

1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:21.439
<v Speaker 2>because they don't want to admit that the thing they've

1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:23.960
<v Speaker 2>spent their life savings on is yeah good, Like it's great.

1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I like the car, but it is not this amazing

1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:28.160
<v Speaker 2>utopia of car.

1:17:28.280 --> 1:17:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I think they also get they love the fact that

1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they're in some sort of a group as well. I

1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:34.080
<v Speaker 1>guess generally, if you or anything to go by, those

1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.160
<v Speaker 1>people don't have a lot of friends, and so they

1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:42.559
<v Speaker 1>just like the feeling of belonging. And why not have

1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:45.559
<v Speaker 1>a belonging feeling to a big dickhead group?

1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:49.720
<v Speaker 2>That's anyway? All right, Well, this has gone a lot

1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:50.640
<v Speaker 2>longer than I thought it was going.

1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, one quick thing, EV, right now.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you enjoying in just in EV? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the EV that I would really enjoy doesn't exist, because

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<v Speaker 4>I want an EV for about thirty five grand that's

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<v Speaker 4>only got one hundred and twenty k's of range. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of a poverty shitter. That's your second car,

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<v Speaker 4>so that your big Humma or your diesel or something

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<v Speaker 4>can stay in the garage when you just need to

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<v Speaker 4>nip down to the shops. You don't come back with,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, forty dozen cases of beer and some red meat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something, pretty much. They do have their benefits in

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<v Speaker 2>the city though. I know that whenever a fucking bus

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<v Speaker 2>drives past you or something fiant truck and you choke

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<v Speaker 2>to death on the side of the road, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff will be improved with EV's in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>But the funny thing is the ones that produce all

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<v Speaker 2>that buses and trucks don't really work well as EV's

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>So Australia's got a real problem with that though too,

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<v Speaker 4>because in Europe, if you've got a bustard asshole truck,

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<v Speaker 4>as trucks get older, they move west. Yes, yes, so

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<v Speaker 4>the move east, they move to eastern Europe right. And

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<v Speaker 4>in America, when trucks go from new to old they

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<v Speaker 4>go south, so they go through Mexico and Columbia. So

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<v Speaker 4>all the evil, pollution belching shitters are going to the

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<v Speaker 4>less socioeconomically affluent places. And in Australia, what happens is

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<v Speaker 4>your old truck stops doing long haul and it starts

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<v Speaker 4>picking up containers in botany or something and taking the

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<v Speaker 4>marning wood. So the oldest trucks on our roads, which

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<v Speaker 4>have no fundamental pollution control, emitting the most toxic carcinogenic shit,

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<v Speaker 4>are driving through the most populous regions in the nation,

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<v Speaker 4>which past schools, which is not that fucking stupid, is it?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like, come on, so evs will clean up

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<v Speaker 4>the tailpipe back, but there's no there's no real political

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<v Speaker 4>will to do that with our most polluting vehicles because

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<v Speaker 4>that would be an attack on battler's because that's who

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<v Speaker 4>picks up containers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And that's the double edged sword. I also

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<v Speaker 2>don't want them spending all of my taxpayer dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>help some wealthy person buy an EV unless they are

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<v Speaker 2>thirty odd grand. The guy that's buying one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars EV doesn't need an incentive or some ability to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the amount they're spending on it. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think the car industry can supply them in

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<v Speaker 4>the requisite volumes anyway, because there's fifteen million light vehicles

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<v Speaker 4>on the roads in Australia. And if we were miraculously

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<v Speaker 4>to get our hands on half a million EV's a year, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to take thirty years to replace combustion. So

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<v Speaker 4>people who think that this transition is happening and it's

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<v Speaker 4>miraculous and it will be wake up one day like

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<v Speaker 4>this and all of a sudden it's all evs. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you wouldn't want to be fifty thinking that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am amazed how quick though, that.

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<v Speaker 1>The marketing and everything that goes with it has really

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<v Speaker 1>been up in the last even eighteen months for evs,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember when we first started this, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember one of the first news stories we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about was within two years out he thinks they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make more money on their evs And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, has changed? What?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But these statements are not held up to subsequent scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>They're a good headline now. You know, in fifteen years

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<v Speaker 4>if that changes, if we get to twenty thirty five

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<v Speaker 4>and we can't actually ban combustion, because you can't get

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<v Speaker 4>enough in you can't get enough electric cars, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people can't afford them. Yeah, so if.

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<v Speaker 4>That happens, then we'll just change the narrative. Yeah, go

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<v Speaker 4>bit Youtope, you're on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well now, to anyone listening at the moment, if there

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<v Speaker 2>is anything you want us to ask John, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be great to have him back on again and send

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<v Speaker 2>us through your questions, you know, just anything you want

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<v Speaker 2>to know out out of him. I know that you

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<v Speaker 2>respond to a lot of people on your YouTube. Any

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<v Speaker 2>sort of weird shit people have asked you. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have any sort of weird fans?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there ever a day?

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<v Speaker 2>So nice, very quickly tell the story. Yesterday we caught

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<v Speaker 2>up with John for a coffee and as we're walking

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<v Speaker 2>to the coffee place, this bloke stops us and he goes, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to stop you for a second. All

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<v Speaker 2>your videos. I thought he was talking to me because

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<v Speaker 2>he was a younger bloke, and I thought, okay, of course,

1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:58.640
<v Speaker 2>he just looked straight past me and looked at John

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<v Speaker 2>and who's made a glow by day. My favorite part

1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:05.519
<v Speaker 2>was he goes, oh, by the way, one of my

1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:08.519
<v Speaker 2>really good mates does YouTube videos as well. You should

1:22:08.560 --> 1:22:12.639
<v Speaker 2>check them out. His name's Tom Baker. I just said, mate,

1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:15.120
<v Speaker 2>your copy too much of an avid viewer because he's

1:22:15.160 --> 1:22:16.799
<v Speaker 2>currently under a bus at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>When was the last time you've spoken?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a That was a fun story. But do

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<v Speaker 2>you get sort of randos and stuff all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Like here's the thing. I was on TV for twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years right regularly on top like Current Affair and today

1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:33.800
<v Speaker 4>tonight they were top rating shows even though you know

1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:39.519
<v Speaker 4>it's trash. Robson was a bloody sort what neighbors, neighbors

1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:43.520
<v Speaker 4>at war? What's in meat? Miracle underwear? That all vegetables?

1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:44.759
<v Speaker 4>Are they really healthy?

1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:51.280
<v Speaker 4>That psychics? What's your cat really thinking? So hardly ever

1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:54.600
<v Speaker 4>got recognized but from YouTube. The difference between TV and

1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:57.200
<v Speaker 4>YouTube is you choose to watch YouTube, You choose the

1:22:57.280 --> 1:23:00.240
<v Speaker 4>specific thing that you're going to watch. So basically every

1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:04.280
<v Speaker 4>time I go out, I get recognized. It's amazing to me,

1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:09.960
<v Speaker 4>and it's never some some dickhead who wants to who

1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:11.040
<v Speaker 4>wants to knock your head off.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting, isn't it, Because you get a

1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:15.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who and this is why I think

1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:17.640
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a vocal minority that you don't like you.

1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:21.599
<v Speaker 4>But there commenters aren't the whole audience. There a subset

1:23:21.640 --> 1:23:22.440
<v Speaker 4>of the audio.

1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Pisce week to do anything anyway because they're there on

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<v Speaker 2>a keyboard with anonymous underscore seven one six.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Yeah, I'm not worried to me, I'm not

1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:34.280
<v Speaker 4>worried about the guy who the guy who says something

1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:37.680
<v Speaker 4>unsavory to you in the comments feed. I'd be a

1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:41.600
<v Speaker 4>little more potentially concerned about someone who just you know,

1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:45.120
<v Speaker 4>is quietly plotting world domination in his basement and he's

1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:46.160
<v Speaker 4>got me near the top of the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of that.

1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:49.439
<v Speaker 1>Tickets just a dartboard with your faith.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's actually a much nicer experience. The really perverse

1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:55.160
<v Speaker 4>thing though, And there's no exception to this. No one

1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:58.519
<v Speaker 4>ever introduces himself yep, right, because they've already got a

1:23:58.560 --> 1:23:59.559
<v Speaker 4>relationship with you.

1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, that's interesting.

1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:03.840
<v Speaker 4>That's cool because I've known you for six years. If

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<v Speaker 4>if I've known I don't walk up to Paul yea

1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:09.759
<v Speaker 4>and go oh, Paula.

1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it. We do sometimes just to see what

1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:15.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of reaction you'd get. Yeah, if I had a brain,

1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and well look that was that was good fun. So yeah, look,

1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:23.200
<v Speaker 2>you do have any questions, shoot them through and we'll

1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:24.639
<v Speaker 2>see if we can get John back on again. Yeah.

1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:25.040
<v Speaker 4>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>We can talk talk ship. There's a lot of ship

1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>to be spoken about. It's underrated.

1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:31.160
<v Speaker 4>Talking shit is underrated.

1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You know I love listening to podcasts when I'm

1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>on a long drive, just especially this one. Yeah, yes,

1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:38.719
<v Speaker 2>of course, yes.

1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Then I'll get a text that you really shouldn't have

1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:45.920
<v Speaker 1>included that in the podcast. That's probably not a good idea.

1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:48.679
<v Speaker 4>Do you edit out the guests and Gordon just listen

1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:49.439
<v Speaker 4>to your own stuff?

1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much we did, so we take out the

1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:54.519
<v Speaker 2>soundtracks and then I won't even hear you guys. That

1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:57.759
<v Speaker 2>was a good laugh. Yeah, Jesus, a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny, wasn't in sightful post stand in front of the mirror?

1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>If only I could pull the pants off my own reflection.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus, beautiful, excellent, Thanks guys, There you go. That was

1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:15.840
<v Speaker 2>That went much longer than expected, but it was really

1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.880
<v Speaker 2>good to catch up with John and just talk about stuff.

1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>It is. It is funny how a lot of people

1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:23.920
<v Speaker 2>think that we all hate him and he hates us.

1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:26.559
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't even realize honestly, I didn't even know

1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you guys had beef.

1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I like him.

1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I like the fact that he calls people out and

1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:33.200
<v Speaker 1>he has an opinion, and I like the fact that

1:25:33.240 --> 1:25:35.400
<v Speaker 1>he's got an opinion, he's got an argument to back

1:25:35.439 --> 1:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>it up, whether you agree or disagree.

1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I think that's really everyone's allowed to have an opinion.

1:25:39.120 --> 1:25:41.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing, framing how you like, and to be honest.

1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Whenever he roasts me or Elbows or Tony in a video,

1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>we genuinely find it hilarious. So wow, he's got some zingers. Yes,

1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:53.360
<v Speaker 2>every time he does something, I get contacted by stacks

1:25:53.360 --> 1:25:55.120
<v Speaker 2>of different people on social like, oh my god, did

1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you see this? And I'm like, no, but how good

1:25:56.920 --> 1:26:00.519
<v Speaker 2>is it? People think, yeah? But anyway, But now let's

1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>get on to a little bit of feedback. Okay, So

1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>there is something a little bit troubling here. So on

1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>on our Apple I tune, there is a person the

1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:14.840
<v Speaker 2>gone a Bit too Far question Mark question Mark question

1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:17.439
<v Speaker 2>Mark guy who left us a one star rating and

1:26:17.479 --> 1:26:19.280
<v Speaker 2>said that Paul, you have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Brand, Yeah, you have an engineering brand. So I just

1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:27.439
<v Speaker 1>assumed it was a fellow engineer or some bitchy person

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<v Speaker 1>from the car industry.

1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Or Daniel Daniel, but this person changed their rating, so

1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:37.479
<v Speaker 2>they changed it to five stars, left a comment. They

1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>then removed that rating and brought it back again with

1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>this comment titled Gordy has improved. Oh what I've improved?

1:26:46.479 --> 1:26:49.400
<v Speaker 2>But hold on, let's not get ahead of itself. Paul,

1:26:49.479 --> 1:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you have a brand to protect and Gordy is not

1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>doing you any favors. The smutty humor is quite pathetic.

1:26:57.400 --> 1:27:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Congratulations on your recent gong. I think he is dong.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you to that person for the nice bits

1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and the gaudy bits I don't really care about. But

1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>who are you like? You just tell us who you

1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>are and it's okay. You don't have to hide behind her.

1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>You've got some sort of like secret of Mara Now well,

1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on mate, one of many, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the email.

1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>You are big on the mums. Hey, apologies about our

1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:28.920
<v Speaker 1>emails lately. If you've sent us an email, please can

1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>you resend it because our email system seems to be

1:27:31.400 --> 1:27:33.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit down. Let's pull up some dms. This

1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:37.920
<v Speaker 1>one's from Garth. Thanks for contacting us, Garth. This is great.

1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I saw Paul's orgasm face after his G four RST review. No,

1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Donnor insight, Well, you be surprised she's pretty flexible that

1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>she was wrapped around that rollcage. Jesus, why do I

1:27:52.840 --> 1:27:56.559
<v Speaker 1>have like an image of like Flubber that movie. Yeah,

1:27:56.600 --> 1:27:58.719
<v Speaker 1>so he sent us that. He also sent us Oh okay,

1:27:58.760 --> 1:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>so do you know thet House boys?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I've watched their content y Yeah.

1:28:02.760 --> 1:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he centers the I think he just wanted

1:28:05.040 --> 1:28:07.679
<v Speaker 1>our opinion on the Toyota Corolla hybrid or wheel dry.

1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:12.639
<v Speaker 1>But interesting? What else is he said? Seriously, we pay

1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>so much money for boring cars. As we move to electrification,

1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:20.559
<v Speaker 1>it seems the gap from function to rip your tits

1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>off is astronomical. Remember when the Ford Falcon was thirty

1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>eight K to the ah, this is interesting, Yeah, to

1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the XR six Turbo it was like ten k. Now

1:28:32.080 --> 1:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>spending forty k just to get the tires hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I actually think that's a really good point.

1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>And my theory is that manufacturers are obviously moving to

1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>electric vehicles, and what they're trying to do is make

1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>you more comfortable with spending a lot more money, So

1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>they up the price now so that when EV's come

1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a less of a bridge to gap, gap to

1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>bridge one of the makes no sense. But yeah, I think

1:28:56.000 --> 1:28:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the problem with that is that some car companies that

1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>haven't released models are just charging more for the same

1:29:01.840 --> 1:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>thing that three or five years ago was significantly less.

1:29:05.640 --> 1:29:08.160
<v Speaker 2>The other problem as well is that this is going

1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:10.679
<v Speaker 2>to be their method of discounting. So now that they've

1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>jacked the price up ten to fifteen to twenty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll do a five or ten percent off deal friend

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<v Speaker 2>of financial year. But there's still five or ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>up from where they were three to five years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>where they were still making money. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite clear that people are really paying a lot for

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<v Speaker 2>cars at the moment, and it's not just one brand

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<v Speaker 2>that's doing it. So it is something to be aware

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<v Speaker 2>of and perhaps look at the second hand market if

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<v Speaker 2>that is a little less hard to bear.

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<v Speaker 1>This one thing is from Intrigued Coop.

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<v Speaker 2>Intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, first of all, Intrigue, yere you go. Intrigued

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<v Speaker 1>Coop said, as this great photo of the goat car right,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to little Pavlo riding his goat car. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to get to school, Papa, Can I thank the goat?

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<v Speaker 2>Did this at three am. I trying to sell my

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<v Speaker 2>or one and a half year old daughter. Is gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Good on you? Yeah, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're sending that guy a little something something too. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in wa not fucked out the postage, just to he

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<v Speaker 1>can come and get it painted on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you from?

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<v Speaker 1>Corrup Corp, Cory rap col core Ca PASSNIP.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Over on the emails, we got an

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<v Speaker 2>email from Jean Paul Coverlin. Guys, this podcast rocks, keep

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Thank you. It's okay, So I'll reread it

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<v Speaker 2>out because he sent it to us. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to let you know that I have intelligent information about

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<v Speaker 2>an already made Ford everest Raptor that has been built

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<v Speaker 2>and is currently stored at the Ford Geelong Compound. It's

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<v Speaker 2>only fifteen staff involved in the build. It is said

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<v Speaker 2>the raptor will not be made into production as the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of the unit compared to the Ford Ranger Raptor

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<v Speaker 2>is extremely more and it isn't viable to produce at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. It is said that the efest Raptor is

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<v Speaker 2>a better looking unit and has widened guards than the ute.

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<v Speaker 2>It will only go on display in the coming year

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<v Speaker 2>at the Goodwood Festival of Speed as a concept by

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<v Speaker 2>Ford Performance US and Seema.

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<v Speaker 1>Rumors, and it was built here in Geelong. Apparently interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Geelong a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>No yiga gig. This is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember that it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst thing I've ever started. But yeah, interesting. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe what he saying is true. I reckon there

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<v Speaker 1>is one in existence in a bunker underneath. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>they Ford, HQ and Geelong.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a logical thing. If you have a look

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<v Speaker 2>at what range of Raptor has achieved recently. At one

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<v Speaker 2>it's class in the BAHA one thousand. They just finished

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<v Speaker 2>the Fink Desert Race here in Australia and it won

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<v Speaker 2>its class, their best production car, and they've just announced

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to be doing Dakha. This is really

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<v Speaker 2>a roll cage, but it is fundamentally stock car. Pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bloody amazing. That is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know what's starting to pop up in the

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<v Speaker 1>US actual physical versions of the nine to eleven DAKA.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, cool, looks it's an interesting car. See if

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<v Speaker 2>you park that next to the Lambo, the Strato Hurricane. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just reckon the nine to eleven looks so much better.

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<v Speaker 2>It just looks like it can actually do the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that it's meant to do, whereas the Lamb beginning, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just feel like they've kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>done it for the psych of doing it. Oh, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>still love to check it out though.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I think the nine to eleven definitely

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<v Speaker 1>has more ground clearance, Like it does look like.

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<v Speaker 2>A pumped up more of a car. But man, there

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<v Speaker 2>would be something about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mate, fucking move them an, I can check out

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<v Speaker 1>the strato.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. If you did enjoy that episode, please, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, let us know if you want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>John anything and get him back on.

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<v Speaker 1>We're definitely going to get back on it. He's actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to be doing a jelly wrestling.

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<v Speaker 2>Match with Trevor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna look like two lava lamps smashed together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, yeah, but yeah, we'll try and get Trevor back

1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>on as well. Yeah, let us let us know what

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<v Speaker 2>you think of the show. Contact at the Driversshow dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one more big thanks to John. Really do appreciate

1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you coming on. You know who we should get on

1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's probably someone only you could wingle up like

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the contact?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it, Kim John Munn? No, okay, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Donna, and I think it's time you take a drive

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<v Speaker 1>in Regional Victoria, Regional South Australia, wherever the fuck you

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<v Speaker 1>and Donna shacked up in that bloody caravan of courage

1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Should bring her on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just got a tech from Donna.

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<v Speaker 2>We can send me your request for Donna. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to get her on, well, get her off