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Speaker 1: Sergeant Private Paul Marriage from the Croatian Legion Army, and

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Speaker 2: The back of his fucking hum V. I knew you'd

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Speaker 1: I know during the pandemic that you were locked away,

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Speaker 2: Are you starting your own army? I don't comment on

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Speaker 2: future invasions. Is that what you said?

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Speaker 1: You all?

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Speaker 2: Do you say? Darling? Tonight I will be invading.

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Speaker 1: The tiny island of Crete.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Gordy is referring to the hum V that

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Speaker 2: I bought, and you can have a look at my

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Speaker 2: a good idea? No? Was it expensive yes? Yes? Has

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Speaker 2: And did I get ripped off by people in Australia? Yes?

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Speaker 2: But also why? Like honestly and I just always wanted one?

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Speaker 1: I know, but I feel like this is this hasn't

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Speaker 2: I wanted to. Why did you buy super ap back?

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Speaker 1: Well, they're both big green tanks.

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Speaker 2: It's wider than a lane. It doesn't really go well

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Speaker 1: Well, it's got features, but it comes with some sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, but it's cool. I love it, So check

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Speaker 1: that movie? Oh my god, you're humb's in it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it is incredible. It's set during the Iraq War.

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Speaker 1: It's a touching story about a boy and his dog.

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Speaker 1: What else has been going on in your life.

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Speaker 2: Not too much. I actually ran into someone the other

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, by one of your friends.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be coming in very soon. You may

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Speaker 2: So clear your stuff, clean the desk and stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have my briefcase full of shredded newspaper, which is

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Speaker 1: just the receipts from our law case. Well, okay, so

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Speaker 4: I've roasted you guys, yes, endlessly, which is which is hilarious,

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Speaker 4: If you stood up in Parliament House and delivered it

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Speaker 4: But yeah, look, I think everybody who's on the consumption

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Speaker 4: So glamorous. It's a shitty, dank double Garrett doesn't look.

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Speaker 4: That's the fakeness, inherent fakeness of the media. It's so

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Speaker 1: No, that's not even Joe, It's like but it's the.

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Speaker 4: It's the perfect job if you hate your home life,

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Speaker 2: Literally. Yeah, I mean some of the starting salaries. I

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Speaker 1: But my first radio gig was thirty two grand go

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Speaker 4: just the reiteration of press kid talking points. And I'd

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Speaker 2: And of bourbon before we go back to YouTube. I'm

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Speaker 2: curious you mentioned there the whole business class thing. We

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Speaker 2: the biggest bit blood, I just.

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Speaker 4: He's the second biggest big Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: There's a bigger bitch here, literally and metaphorical.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: But I think that that that is something that is

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Speaker 2: at all these fancy places. You can't hand on Hart

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Speaker 2: tell a camera, this car is garbage. Do not buy it.

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Speaker 2: Because they're all standing around they review the footage before

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Speaker 2: you get it. It's just all sorts of not going

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Speaker 4: So well, here's my review of every Volkswagen, every Jeep

438
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Speaker 4: and every land Rover. Okay, these things are fucking beautiful.

439
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 4: They are. They are like a Jeep Grand Cherokee is

440
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 4: so Jack Bauer ye that I want, right, And I've

441
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 4: never driven a Range Drover that I hate it, never right,

442
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 4: And every like a Volkswagen Golf GTI classic hot Hatch.

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Speaker 2: Right.

444
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Speaker 4: You can't not love driving those cars. So my review

445
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 4: is these are the tits. Don't own one. You're insane

446
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Speaker 4: if you buy it because it's great to borrow for

447
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Speaker 4: a week and give back. But you are crazy if

448
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Speaker 4: you own a ship box like that, because that manufacturer

449
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: is predisposed to throwing you under the bus if anything

450
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Speaker 4: goes wrong. Here's the evidence from the a Triple C

451
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Speaker 4: of all of the times that they've breached their obligations,

452
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Speaker 4: that the extortionate repair cost, blah blah blah, their poor reliability,

453
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Speaker 4: European bill quality is a myth. And we could just

454
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Speaker 4: go on and if you're the public relations manager of

455
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Speaker 4: one of those car makers, yep, they can't afford to

456
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Speaker 4: invite somebody who will say what is actually objectively the case.

457
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: So they're sick of fan mining, right, because they've got

458
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Speaker 4: a million dollars to spend on the launch of whatever,

459
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Speaker 4: three hundred thousand, whatever it is, and you don't get paid.

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Speaker 4: Your sociopathic asshole who runs the import operation is going

461
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Speaker 4: to rip you a new one if you invite someone

462
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Speaker 4: who just gives an objectively balanced view of how they roll.

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Speaker 2: Yep, right, yeah, exactly. Well that's a simple fact to it.

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Speaker 2: And that's why, in my opinion, if you are buying

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Speaker 2: a new car today, I would not buy anything based

466
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Speaker 2: on one review because that one review is someone who

467
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Speaker 2: has been probably whined and dyed by a manufacturer and

468
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Speaker 2: they can't objectively say this is good or bad. My

469
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Speaker 2: advice always is to look at five or six reviews,

470
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Speaker 2: look at the stuff that you do, and take it

471
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Speaker 2: for a test drive yourself, and then have a look

472
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Speaker 2: at the history of the brand as well. And it

473
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Speaker 2: is hard when new cars come out. You obviously don't

474
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Speaker 2: know what they're going to be like in ten years,

475
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Speaker 2: if a small new platform blah blah blah, but you

476
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Speaker 2: do look at some of the history, some of the recalls,

477
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Speaker 2: and you have to make up your own mind. You

478
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Speaker 2: can't just rely on reviews, and with this age of influencers,

479
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Speaker 2: it is the worst. My wife will buy so much

480
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Speaker 2: shit from everywhere based on what she sees on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, those like mum bloggers and stuff like that.

482
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Speaker 1: The influencers on Instagram. Yeah, I mean, of shit, just

483
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Speaker 1: a front door every day.

484
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Speaker 2: But it's the people that will get flick the keys

485
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Speaker 2: to some new car. I love it because it's a

486
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Speaker 2: new car. Their other car is a ten year old,

487
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Speaker 2: twenty year old ship box. Of course they're going to

488
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Speaker 2: love it, and then of course they're going to tell

489
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Speaker 2: all their followers how good it is. And that's why

490
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Speaker 2: I think that these days it is really hard for

491
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Speaker 2: you to have these objective car reviews. And that's why

492
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Speaker 2: what we try and do is a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: Like I'll actually show people measurements and the stuff that

494
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Speaker 2: I say in my week with the car, that is

495
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Speaker 2: what happened to it.

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Speaker 4: I got to say, whose idea was the hardness tester?

497
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Speaker 4: For the fucking dad?

498
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Speaker 1: So do you, by the way, that derometer? Do you

499
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Speaker 1: ever take that into the bedroom and.

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Speaker 2: Go I actually have is a finer scale.

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Speaker 1: Smaller dorometer. I didn't want to ask you. Actually, I've

502
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Speaker 1: probably never asked you this before, but you guys get

503
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Speaker 1: flown all around the world for this sort of stuff

504
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Speaker 1: and you're standing there in oh, I don't know, Switzerland

505
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Speaker 1: and you're road testing some sort of a new car

506
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Speaker 1: that's coming out, and you're like, it's a bucket of shit.

507
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Speaker 1: And then it comes to Australia and you know there's

508
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Speaker 1: been no Australian sort of testing or whatever of it,

509
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Speaker 1: and you've to stand there and kind of go, man,

510
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Speaker 1: these guys flew me across the world for this sort

511
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Speaker 1: of stuff.

512
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Speaker 4: Like there's a flip side to this equation too, though, right,

513
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 4: because you're a journalist employed by a publisher who is

514
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Speaker 4: deriving a direct commercial benefit from the advertising from that brand.

515
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Speaker 4: So if you get in between that, if you stem

516
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Speaker 4: that tight, that's really bad. Like I've had, I've been

517
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Speaker 4: the subject of some full on car company tantrums where

518
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Speaker 4: I've been, you know, a journalist as a freelancer usually,

519
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 4: but in between the publisher, maybe a television publisher of

520
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Speaker 4: some note, and then a large Australian car company with

521
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Speaker 4: a line on the badge that is no longer here.

522
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Speaker 4: You know, and their full on tantrum is impossible. It's

523
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Speaker 4: spectacular and you wouldn't believe it. So if you say

524
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Speaker 4: things that a car company doesn't like, there's a whole

525
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Speaker 4: cascade of mechanisms that kick in, Like if you keep

526
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Speaker 4: behaving like that, we can't lend you any.

527
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Speaker 2: Of our cars. Yep, and extra job it does.

528
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Speaker 4: Okay, And we're not going to take you on our gigs, right,

529
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: and we're going to take you on our launchers right.

530
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Speaker 4: And then if you keep doing that, and if your

531
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Speaker 4: breach is egregious enough, the marketing director will ring up

532
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 4: the commercial director of the publisher and have a meeting

533
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Speaker 4: about get this clown into line. And if your mortgage

534
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: depends on you doing your job, then that is a

535
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: really uncomfortable position for you. And it's extremely expedient, and

536
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Speaker 4: I understand why people do it. They go, this is

537
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Speaker 4: pretty cushy. It is nice at the pointy end of

538
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Speaker 4: the plane, and I don't want to have another one

539
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 4: of those meetings. So I'm just going to hear the

540
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Speaker 4: talking points and I'll put my own spin on it here.

541
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Speaker 4: But this car is getting seven point four out of ten.

542
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Speaker 2: Yep. That pretty much that sums up exactly what it's like,

543
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Speaker 2: and I think there's cars. Yeah, I think it's the

544
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Speaker 2: same for any industry that we Trevorlong on the show

545
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Speaker 2: recently is the tech guy? Yeah, a lot with do

546
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Speaker 2: you know Trevor? Yeah, how many people do.

547
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Speaker 1: It's just like a lot of people just think he's

548
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Speaker 1: like a hobo walked in off the streets. I just

549
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: wanted to break from selling the big.

550
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Speaker 2: Those vacuum cleaner is like, you wouldn't believe what sucks?

551
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Speaker 2: All right?

552
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Speaker 1: I was needing at the back of the Carronor going, man,

553
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Speaker 1: you've got to turn out the dos and sucks the

554
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Speaker 1: crime of a Toba.

555
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was openly telling us it's the same

556
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: in tech. Tell me how you do it?

557
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 4: Is a car expert surviving the inevitable backlash from saying

558
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Speaker 4: what do you really think? From time to time.

559
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Speaker 2: I think they now realize that we have our site,

560
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Speaker 2: which is now as of last month, Austraighta's biggest new

561
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Speaker 2: car site in terms of visits. We are caring less

562
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: about media spend because the business is pivoting to a

563
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Leeds model and the media spend is contracting so much.

564
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Speaker 2: It's not like the days of Car Advice where it

565
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: was mega dollars and you know, you could just print money.

566
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Speaker 2: It's now contracting so much and they've they've taken a

567
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Speaker 2: bit of control and we need to reverse that. And

568
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: we're sort of big enough now where you can kind

569
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Speaker 2: of just do what you need to do.

570
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Speaker 4: That's fascinating to me because you know what the response

571
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: from the car industry is to me, deafening silence. Yes, right,

572
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: I never get anyone ring me up and say no,

573
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 4: that's wrong, right, But I don't ever. They don't do pr.

574
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Speaker 2: Do you know how much they talk about you? Oh?

575
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you would not believe well Satan? Like who

576
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 4: would you rather interview? Satan or Jesus?

577
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: Way better? Stories?

578
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: Stories?

579
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Speaker 2: Say?

580
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: Is what I did to hear for last year.

581
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Speaker 1: State would share the cocaine.

582
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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know. But you used to

583
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Speaker 2: be the editor of Car Advice, and I was so

584
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Speaker 2: to speak under you at the time. It was it

585
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: was a lot of loads to bear, but I took

586
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Speaker 2: it like a champ. It was intimate and one of

587
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Speaker 2: our things at the time was growing video. And I

588
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Speaker 2: have just this little gem I'm going to very quickly played.

589
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Speaker 2: We're going to put this on the socials.

590
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Speaker 4: Beautiful look at this guy. Yeah.

591
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Speaker 2: So what we did is we had a we're going

592
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Speaker 2: to cut to the studio setup and this was a

593
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Speaker 2: video where we were looking at the mans to three

594
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Speaker 2: and then.

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Speaker 4: What's the date on that?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Oh, oh my god, what are you twelve? With

597
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Speaker 2: an ourfro? I know it's very that's amazing. Yeah, so no,

598
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Speaker 2: go back.

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Speaker 1: I need to say, oh my god, you probably would

600
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Speaker 1: have been the only ten year old with a full

601
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Speaker 1: dash of pubes.

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Speaker 2: That was the backstory to that. You were with Car

603
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Speaker 2: Advice back then. And actually remember one time I got

604
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Speaker 2: into a lot of trouble from you because we were

605
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Speaker 2: at Geneva Motor Show.

606
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Speaker 4: Apostrophe in the wrong place?

607
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Speaker 2: Was it? Oh no, no, it was worse than that,

608
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Speaker 2: And upon reflection, I shouldn't have done it. But I

609
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Speaker 2: used the word wanker when we're into a wankle in

610
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Speaker 2: trying to be funny tone, and it turned out it

611
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: wasn't that funny according to you.

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Speaker 1: So are you trying to crack jokes? I'm funny.

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Speaker 4: Look the backstory there was and I find this utterly hilarious.

614
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Speaker 4: We've got to air this right because back then Car

615
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: Advice was viewed as being those assholes, those upstart assholes.

616
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: The car industry hated Car Advice. It was just a

617
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Speaker 4: blog that was on a real publication that was just

618
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Speaker 4: Albas's blob.

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Speaker 2: It's it right.

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Speaker 1: So, like you guys were young, fresh and like the

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Speaker 1: old boys were kind.

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Speaker 4: Of at their they brought me on as editor, and

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Speaker 4: basically I had to get One of my briefs was

624
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Speaker 4: to get the car industry engaged with the brand. So

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Speaker 4: I had to go and meet with Audi and say,

626
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Speaker 4: I'll leverage my unsullied reputation, right and and I guarantee

627
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Speaker 4: that these guys will toe the line.

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Speaker 2: And I bet my reputation.

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Speaker 4: And if you told me that, if you told me

630
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Speaker 4: that in ten years time, I'd just be sitting in

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Speaker 4: my garage.

632
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

633
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Speaker 4: It's just amazing that the entire inversion of that dynamic

634
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Speaker 4: becaurse now car expert and in the closing stages of

635
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Speaker 4: Car Advice before they shot it in the dick and

636
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Speaker 4: made it drive olbosn't Tony and Paul became the respected

637
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: journalist and I became the antichrist. So it was a

638
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: complete version of that dynamic. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's just funny and yeah, I think that those were

640
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Speaker 2: fun times because we were learning a lot, and you

641
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: taught us a lot because you know, we knew nothing elbows.

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Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say that you used to

643
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Speaker 4: hate me.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, but I enjoyed a good argument. So that

645
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: was good fun. Were you?

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Speaker 4: You were smart ass back in the day when I

647
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 4: mean this quite sincerely, and you don't get that very often.

648
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: And we can cut it if you think it's discontinued everything.

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Speaker 4: I actually think you're to and out. Okay, thank you, look.

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Speaker 2: At that right, I'm cutting that shit out. No, that's

651
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Speaker 2: the thing.

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00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: It's take the other hundred.

653
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people in this industry, and

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Speaker 2: I know that we're fucking chopping and changing directions here,

655
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Speaker 2: but just recently you did a video about one in

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Speaker 2: one particular person.

657
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Speaker 1: Can I just ask, just like, if we can just

658
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: I've just bought a super of outback XT sport and

659
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, do you think I could toe with that?

660
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, I don't know, maybe I'll get some

661
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: sort of excavator style trailing ye.

662
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: Put like a young day venue on.

663
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: That's just what I feel like doing. I feel like

664
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: doing that one day everyone does. Yeah, do you think

665
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: I could like toe that like safely?

666
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: Well, I think objectively you could tell it that's been

667
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: done and proven. Oh can you do it legally? I

668
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: don't think so.

669
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Your opinion, you don't.

670
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: I don't think it's safe to put that amount of

671
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: load on the towball.

672
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: Right anyway, totally unrelated a mystery, guess Tom Baker come here.

673
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: People often think that that kind of thing is a

674
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: personal attack from me, and I get how somebody would

675
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: not like me upending them for doing something that stupid. Okay,

676
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: but there's a public safety dimension to that. If you

677
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: present that in the context of expert advice, that's dangerous

678
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: and illegal, right, and it should be called out as such.

679
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: Someone's got to do it. You're right, And I didn't

680
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: defame him at all. And I've actually got a lot

681
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: of respect for Tom because he's developed a niche. They do.

682
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm Tom Baker, this is Jason gos right, Like, he

683
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: does that and it works. There's a niche for that,

684
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 4: and he's not a bad car reviewer, right, It's just

685
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: that when you step into a different domain where there's

686
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: a lot of technical constraints, and if you start towing

687
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: something that's heavier than the vehicle towing it. You really

688
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: need to get that right because the inertial effects of

689
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: the thing that you're towing are beyond sufficient to nudge

690
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 4: the toe vehicle out of the way. Because the kinds

691
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: of trailers that we tow with in Australia for caravans

692
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: and boats and all manner of things like that, there

693
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: are pig trailers. They've got centralized axle groups and that

694
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: means that they pitch forward very freely, befowd and backwards.

695
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: Then they're uncontrolled comparatively in pitch, and they're also comparatively

696
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: unstable in yours. So that's like the plane of a

697
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: old vinyl record. We're rotating in that plane, they're unstable

698
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: like that. They're okayan roll because the wheels are out

699
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 4: to the side. But if you get a big heavy trailer,

700
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 4: it's restraint in pitch and your is dependent on the

701
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: inertia of the vehicle towing it.

702
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: Right.

703
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: Paul's getting this for later, Yeah, there'll be a test.

704
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is a big heavy trailer, if it's

705
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: too big and too heavy, it can easily nudge the

706
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: tow vehicle off the road and the bigger that mass gets,

707
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: and the bigger the physical size of that thing gets,

708
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: the more likely that is to happen. And the much

709
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: more diligently you've got to approach that exercise. And those

710
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: guys really did not approach that diligently enough, and the

711
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: advice they gave was bad.

712
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: Well, actually think that all of that is true, but

713
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: the worst part is the optics of it being an

714
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: insurance company, because guess what if you had a crash

715
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: and they came to inspect it and said, no, you've

716
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: fucked up the trailer loading, you won't meant to have

717
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: a venue that far up a thing.

718
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that's an interesting night.

719
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: That's my biggest problem because as a consumer, an insurance

720
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: company are the first people to try and fuck you.

721
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: They will be there at the front of that line.

722
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: So I think I've got that.

723
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 4: Hamphlet with a he's or ankles and this is the

724
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: preferred grip.

725
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: Like you know, people make mistakes, but I think that

726
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: this was on another level altogether. I haven't seen an

727
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: apology or an admission yet.

728
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Have they taken the video down?

729
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: The videos come down, But to me, I would be

730
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: very quickly lining up and saying look, I didn't know

731
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: what I was talking about. I'm sincerely thanks for your feedback.

732
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. That's all it needs to be. It happens.

733
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: I think that's a plus. Fore your integrity, Yeah right,

734
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: if you own it. It's like, hey, we're not fallible.

735
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: We thought we were doing the right thing, but on reflection,

736
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: that was bad and here's how we should have done it.

737
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 4: That'd be the video I'd do next and ps right,

738
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: one hundred and ten bucks At super cheap Audo, you

739
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: can buy a set of scales that are purpose designed

740
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: to measure the towball download. So before hooking up an

741
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 4: unfamiliar trailer to your car, you spend and let's not

742
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: forget the car that you're doing the towing with is

743
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: worth fifty or sixty grand and some of these can

744
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: taj mahals. They're acoustically transparent aluminium hitoire right, three and

745
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: a half ton effluent carriage, so you can he's and

746
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: hers affluent through the Great Australian outback.

747
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: Right, they're one hundred thousand dollars.

748
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: You can afford one hundred and ten bucks for a

749
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: set of scales to measure the table down Jesus, or

750
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: you can visit a public waybridge and measure everything, the

751
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 4: gross combined mass and the taball down.

752
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: They make it so easy literally drive onto it. You

753
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: have one axle here, one axle here. It prints it

754
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: out for you on the screen. You don't have to

755
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: do anything.

756
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: A politician could do it.

757
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that's telling you something.

758
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: Hey.

759
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: One thing I did want to bring up was how

760
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: many times have I been sued for defamation?

761
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Yes? Actually that is something. Have you because we have

762
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: gone through this with just your shoes off, how many

763
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: times have you received letters? No? Really, never out never right,

764
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: suck shit, wear one up on bud.

765
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: I've been I've been extensively trained though about how to

766
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: avoid Yes. And the other thing about defamation, right, is

767
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: the amplification factor, Like look at Ben Robert Smith. How

768
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: many people now know about Ben Roberts Smith conduct who

769
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: did not know about it arising from the initial stories

770
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 4: that were published, right, plenty, hundreds of thousands probably, So

771
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: there's an amplification factor. If you sue someone for defamation

772
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: and you lose, it gets amplified exactly right, and everything

773
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: you say is potentially defamatory. But there's a couple of

774
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: great defenses like truth substantial truth is pretty good and

775
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: honest opinion as long as you get the hair and

776
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: makeup on honest opinion, right, you've got to present it

777
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 4: as actually being your opinion and not a fact, and

778
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 4: it's got to be based on true facts that are

779
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: presented to the audience so that they can make an

780
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: informed decision about that. But maybe the two balancing sort

781
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: of axie is. The other thing is if it's satire,

782
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: then this is why cartoonists don't get sued for defamation, right,

783
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 4: because it's really not. It's not defamatory in the sense

784
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: that it doesn't make people shun that person, and it

785
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 4: doesn't destroy their reputation. It just makes you get.

786
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: You'll get south Park, right. That would be the perfect

787
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: example of one that would be sued seventy thousand times over.

788
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: But you do.

789
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: And the Spice Girls, right. Tea dub has never met

790
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 4: the Spice Girls to my knowledge, right, and he's never

791
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: been on tour with them. But it's just a funny

792
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 4: way to present the grubbiest lobby group in the country

793
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: that isn't an oil or gas lobby group.

794
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: Actually, I was going to say, we should be careful

795
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: what we say about Ben Robert Smith, because now that

796
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Paul has a hum vy, I'm pretty sure they're like

797
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: right or dies. He picks him up and they go.

798
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: Little cruises together and stuff.

799
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Hey Benny, what do you reckon?

800
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: It is you reckon?

801
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: We can tell you zigways off that cliff.

802
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: You enjoy that video?

803
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, that thing is a beast. And I just yeah,

804
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: it's got its own post code, it does. And the

805
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: amount of trouble I went through and the amount of

806
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: dodgy just fucker is that you really tried to screw

807
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: me over along the way and most here in Australia

808
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, it's just horrendous, how dishonest some people are.

809
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: All in the name of biosecurity.

810
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Mate, security in my mind, the fact that you had

811
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: to take your car apart, and.

812
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: I took it mostly apart, but there were some parts

813
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: that clearly were not visible from from the naked eye,

814
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: but it was still past because another guy came. Wasn't

815
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: the really diligent guy. It was his colleague and he goes, oh,

816
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: I didn't have to do all that pass. I'm like, oh, thanks,

817
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: So biosecurity I think is just And then you had

818
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: to put the things together. Yeah, thankfully it's got like

819
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: this bit goes here. This built for army people you

820
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: clearly identify with that they're not. I'm not saying army

821
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: people are stupid or anything. I just mean it's built

822
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: for that situation where they can put it back together

823
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: quickly and not have to read through seven thousand manuals

824
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: to make stuff work.

825
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, Hey, you did a post recently about getting

826
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: through the court system. I guess unscathed basically overturning what

827
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: was it, a speeding red light camera?

828
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Red light camera? Right?

829
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: The way you articulated that, especially at the start was brilliant,

830
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: and I wanted you to tell the story behind it

831
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: because I'm all for road safety and all that sort

832
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: of stuff, but I honestly think a lot of this

833
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: stuff is money grabs by the government.

834
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: People talk about road safety and they talk about road toll,

835
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: the road toll as if it's a door to door

836
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: in Fallujah, right, Like, it's not like that. The most

837
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: dangerous year on the roads in Australia was nineteen seventy,

838
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: and it was I always forget, but it's about three

839
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: It's either three thousand, seven hundred and ninety or three thousand,

840
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: six hundred and ninety people died on the road in

841
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 4: nineteen to seventy go. It's a lot, it's heaps, it's rough,

842
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: it's more than three times what the road toll is now.

843
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: But there's also been this dramatic increase in the number

844
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: of vehicles and the number of k's we drive, And

845
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 4: like in Australia we drive two hundred and ten billion

846
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: with a b kilometers, which is more than thirty return

847
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: trips to Pluto, Okay, and about eleven hundred people die.

848
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: That's lower than the toll from suicide. And you know,

849
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: there are other accidental causes of death, like being at

850
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: work is a big one, and accidental falls are big

851
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: as well, and nothing like the resources are devoted to

852
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 4: suicide prevention, for example, and we get more benefit from

853
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: that than we would to getting on top of the

854
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: road toll. So driving is fucking safe. This is something

855
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 4: that is never told to the average person. And what's

856
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: what's improved the road toll between nine and seventy in now, Okay,

857
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: we change the culture about drink driving and we made

858
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 4: seat belts manditory. Yes they're huge, okay. And then there's

859
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: been this incremental and overtime substantial improvement in civil engineering,

860
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 4: meaning safer roads and vehicle safety. We've got safer cars, right,

861
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: So we've chipped away at that, and enforcement plays a role. Okay,

862
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: certainly enforcement plays a yeah, totally. But the thing is

863
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: the regulators in each state they want to take all

864
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: the credit and all they do is enforcement. I forgot

865
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 4: to mention meta call practices as well. Right, there's been

866
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: a dramatic improvement in critical care for badly injured persons. Okay,

867
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: so that's why road death is reduced. It's got fuck

868
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 4: all to do with enforcement. So enforcement has become a

869
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 4: de facto form of taxation. If you drive a car

870
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: from time to time, we're just going to ping you

871
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 4: a little bit more tax And I'd say to the

872
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 4: average roads minister, why don't you just fess up about

873
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: it and say, well, actually, we need another billion dollars.

874
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: So we're just going to divide the number of registered

875
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: vehicles in the state a billion dollars divided by the

876
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 4: number of registered vehicles. Here's what the new regio fee is.

877
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: And we're going to have a fair enforcement system where

878
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 4: there's a twelve pointer called drive like a fuck with

879
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: right you've mate, you know why I've stopped you. You drive

880
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: like a fuck with just then that's your license. Go

881
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 4: on holidays for three months. That'll be a thousand bus. Okay.

882
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 4: If that was actually the case, I think most people

883
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 4: would get behind it. But when these offenses become technical

884
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: in nature only, and yeah, technically you committed this breach, right,

885
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: but we're still going to find you the full amount

886
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 4: get fucked. Then you lose faith with the system. And

887
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: when you lose faith with the system, there are some

888
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: really bad knock on effects because you get called for

889
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 4: jury duty okay, and the courts that the police prosecutor

890
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: is trying to put away some properly bad motherfucker who's

891
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: a drug importer or something, and half of the people

892
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 4: sitting on the jury are going, I don't trust the

893
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: fucking cops. The only thing I've ever done with them

894
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 4: they pulled me over six times.

895
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: I lost my fucking job.

896
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: Right, there's that kind of dialogue going on inside people's heads,

897
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 4: and in fact, inside the New South Wales Police Force,

898
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: the proper cops call the highway patrol the jury wreckers

899
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: because they're fully aware of this phenomenon. Right, we'll just

900
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 4: get that put a call out of the jury wreckers,

901
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: see if they can come here with the fucking pizza.

902
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: You talk a lot like trevel Long.

903
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: It blows my mind the amount of finds this, and

904
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: especially the way I guess appealing for a fine as well.

905
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: Well. They say you can appeal for leniency right if

906
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: it's a trivial offense, if you've got a good record.

907
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: So I hadn't been booked for a driving offense for

908
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 4: thirty three years, despite driving all these Porsches and BMWM cars,

909
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: and I should have probably been booked on occasion, but

910
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: happily I wasn't right AnyWho. I had this clean record

911
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: that was more than three decades long, and my offense

912
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 4: was I just had brain fade one day, and when

913
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: the right arrow went green, I misinterpreted that as permission

914
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 4: to proceed forward. I went half a car length forward

915
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: and went, oh, that's bad, and jammed the brakes on

916
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: and I stopped roughly a car length ahead of where

917
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: I'd been stopped for the past thirty five seconds or

918
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: what thing. And I appealed for leniency to Revenue New

919
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: South Wales and they wrote me back a very polite

920
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: letter which I'll summarize, now get fucked. And I thought, well, bug,

921
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 4: I'm going to take it to court, right, And I

922
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: took it to court, and I had this submission, and

923
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: it was the world's best submission, right, It was the

924
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: best submission ever. It had two character references from a

925
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: former Deputy Prime Minister and the local member for the

926
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: state legislature. We did some road safety courses in the

927
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 4: local area, and the Federal Police have got a chapter

928
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: with my name on it in the High Speed Pursuit Revision,

929
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: a review that they did a few years ago. So

930
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 4: we did all of that and I've got it all there,

931
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: and it speaks to the triviality of the offense, and

932
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 4: it speaks to my driving record, the work I'd done

933
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: in road safety, and the likelihood of reoffending. Like been

934
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 4: licensed for forty two years, don't think I've got another

935
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: forty two in me. Probably safe to let me back

936
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: out on the road. And the magistrate just looked at

937
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 4: it like this and pushed it to one side and said,

938
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 4: I'm not even going to read that, right, And I went.

939
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: This is bad.

940
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: I said, would your honor prefer a concise, verbal executive summary?

941
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: He said, Noah, I don't want that either. Can you

942
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 4: just issued me what's called a Section ten one, a dismissal.

943
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 4: Section ten of the Crime Sentencing Procedure Act nineteen ninety

944
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: nine allows the magistrate to consider the totality of the

945
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: circumstances plus all these other things like your age and

946
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 4: your character and your record and anything else they want

947
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 4: to consider, and they can dismiss your charge if it's warranted.

948
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: So if you stab someone thirty two times and it's

949
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 4: all called on video, and you've got a double bag

950
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 4: with crystal meth in it, and you know a dozen

951
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: bishops have seen it as well their eyewitnesses.

952
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: Don't expect from me last weekend.

953
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: Don't expect your section down one day. There's a one

954
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: B and a one C you can get as well.

955
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: One B is what you might think of as a

956
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: good behavior bond, right, so then they can say, yeah,

957
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: we're going to dismiss that, but we're going to they

958
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: call them conditional release orders. We're going to require you

959
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: to be not committing another traffic offense for twelve months

960
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: or two years. And then one C is the same thing,

961
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: except they require you to do an offenders program. So

962
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 4: it's a drug offense, it'll be an addiction program. In

963
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 4: the case of a traffic offense, it's the traffic offenders program.

964
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: But if you really are just an anti social cock

965
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 4: behind the wheel and you don't deserve it, in fact,

966
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: you deserve more of a knee in the slats than

967
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: the original fine, they can amp.

968
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: It right up. Yeah, because that's the risk you run,

969
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: right when you go to court the makers grand and go.

970
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: Two grand and twelve months off the road.

971
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they can go the original farmer's two

972
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: hundred bucks. I'm actually going to make it whatever and

973
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to cancel your license, whether that's and that's

974
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: the problem, right, if you genuinely want to appeal it,

975
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: you run the risk of that, And that's why a

976
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: lot of people don't because they're like, Oh, I don't

977
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: want to lose a day off work, I don't want

978
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: to have all these problems.

979
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: Because sometimes it's just easier to take three points and

980
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: six hundred bucks or whatever.

981
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: You're kind of used to.

982
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 4: I'm kind of used to being asked questions by people

983
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 4: and standing in front of a microphone and being on

984
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: the spot, right, But I'd be lying if I said

985
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: it wasn't slightly nerve racking.

986
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: Well, you're in it, and I've been through this experience

987
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: as well. I'll explain why in a second. But you

988
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: you're in a room there with a lot of people

989
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: who may have done some really bad stuff. And this

990
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: is the frame of mind they put you in as well,

991
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: because you associate yourselves with some of these other people.

992
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to be there, you don't want to

993
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: be seen there. It's just not a nice place to be.

994
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: But they set it up in that way so that

995
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: you're dissuaded from doing it, and they set it up

996
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: in such a complex way that the first thing you

997
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: do what it's like in New South Wales, but you

998
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: get to mention, which you attend. You then get a

999
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: court date to go to. And at the court date,

1000
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: if it's one of these traffic fences, they have a

1001
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: prosecutor that works for them, they're on retainer. Typically they'll

1002
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: bring in if there's a police officer involved them as

1003
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: a witness. It is quite an intimidating thing and you

1004
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: made immediately to feel like a bad guy before anything's

1005
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: even happened.

1006
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: Everyone else does it every day, yeah, right, The prosecutor

1007
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: does it every day. The magistrate does it every day.

1008
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: The police officer who's coming in to testify against you,

1009
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 4: if it's a cop thing, then he's been to court

1010
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 4: a million times, yafull he knows how to test a

1011
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: lit if he has to.

1012
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: It'd be like him coming to host a live radiation.

1013
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: He'd have no idea what to do to be intimidating.

1014
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: It's still a.

1015
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: Live cross on seven tomorrow morning, six fifteen. Let's see

1016
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: how you go.

1017
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: It would have been a time to like, yeah, yeah, wow,

1018
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: this is the thing. And I went through something similar

1019
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: when I graduated UNI. I had to go to my

1020
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: graduation and I thought I'll catch the training because I

1021
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: can't be fuck looking for parking. And I went to

1022
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: the train station. It was the point where they were

1023
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: switching over to Mikey, which is the totally fuck ticketing

1024
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: system we have in New Victoria. Is that still there?

1025
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: I think, So I don't.

1026
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: Do it commers.

1027
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: So I went to the train station and wanted to

1028
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: buy a paper ticket. And got to the train station

1029
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: and they had up until a month after this point

1030
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: that paper tickets were going to exist. The machine was

1031
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: out of order, and I thought, well, I've got my

1032
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: Mikey here, it's a concession one. I'm no longer a student.

1033
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use that because they'll dick me

1034
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: for not being a student. As soon as I get

1035
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: to the train station, I'll buy a ticket explaining what's happened.

1036
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: At this point, I'd caught a train a few times,

1037
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: get on and the ticket inspectors are there, and I thought,

1038
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: I'll just show him the photos. The reasonable people didn't

1039
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: give a fuck, gives me a thing, and I said, okay,

1040
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: well I'm going to take this to court, and he

1041
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: didn't care anyway. They I decided to take it to court.

1042
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: At the mention, the prosecutor came up to me and

1043
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: offered me a dismissal. But with the dismissal, I had

1044
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: to plead guilty, and I'm like, fuck that, I'm not

1045
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: pleading guilty on this. So I was slightly different to

1046
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: Johns scenario. So I went back again for the actual

1047
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 2: court case, and with me, I had my brief of evidence,

1048
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: had all the photos, It had the legislation for tickets,

1049
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: which was that you had to have made a reasonable

1050
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: attempt to buy a ticket. I had the exact coins

1051
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: in my hand that I photographed, the machine wasn't working

1052
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: photographed and what they did the two ticket inspectors, because

1053
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: they're always hunting in pairs so they can work at

1054
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: work as witnesses. They lied to the magistrate. They said

1055
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: they both stood there and talked to me, and they

1056
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: both listened to me. One just kept walking. They weren't

1057
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: even together. And I thought, if I'm up against these liars,

1058
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: I mean, you're never going to win. And thankfully the

1059
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: magistrate was reasonable look through the evidence. The prosecutor just

1060
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: had nothing, and they found me not guilty, dismissed, and

1061
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: I got to claim cost as well for the two

1062
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: days that I lost from work. So I think that

1063
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: if you are in that position, obviously, if you're doing

1064
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty and you go I didn't do

1065
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: it, it's like, all right, well, lasers are virtually accurate to

1066
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: within a kilometer an hour over a kilometer speed. Cameras

1067
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: are accurate these. I don't bother wasting your time on that.

1068
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: But if you're in a situation like your in or

1069
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: I was in, if.

1070
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 4: It really is true doing it and you've got a

1071
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 4: good record, then it's not like you're gaming the system.

1072
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: They've written the legislation exactly for that, right, So you

1073
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 4: I also wanted to send a message that I wasn't

1074
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 4: just going to copy it on the chin. Yeah, right,

1075
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: And I think more people should do that if there

1076
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 4: is a serious case that they might get a dismissal.

1077
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: And the other thing about all of this stuff that

1078
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 4: would really be of benefit to the listener is that

1079
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: if you get stopped, it's your conduct when you get

1080
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: stopped by the cops, for example, is really important. Like

1081
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: you should be respectful because things can get dramatically worse

1082
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: for you if you're not. But you should also a

1083
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: not make any admissions because the cop might have nothing yep. Right,

1084
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: he might sincerely believe that you've done whatever he accuses

1085
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: you of doing, but he might have nothing. Okay, So

1086
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: his objective is going to be to walk up to

1087
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 4: you and get you, particularly he's got a body camera.

1088
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: Yep.

1089
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: He's going to want you to make an admission that

1090
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: you did it. And if that's a laid down maasaire,

1091
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: you can no longer plead not guilty. Right if you

1092
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: admit it, that's like, yeah, I stabbed him, so what right?

1093
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: And then you decide later on.

1094
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Actually it's just with a paper clip That's one of

1095
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: the first question they will generally ask you when you're

1096
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: pulled over, is do you know why I pulled you over?

1097
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because that's an omission of.

1098
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: Guilt, right, Yeah, because I was speeding, right Yeah.

1099
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: And you could play it both ways as well. I mean,

1100
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: if you in the history of people getting pulled over

1101
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: by police, telling or argue with them, I don't think

1102
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: anyone has ever got off a fine where they eventually,

1103
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: after ten minutes of arguing, the cops go, oh no, no,

1104
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: you're right, off you go. So I don't think being

1105
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: aggressive helps at all.

1106
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 4: But not making a mission anything, Yeah, admissions are so bad.

1107
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: And the other thing you should do is film it

1108
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 4: on your phone if necessary, but to go probably better

1109
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: with big fat wide lens. Right, just film everything.

1110
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: Yep, I'll tell you what works really well. Tell them

1111
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: me a sovereign citizen.

1112
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: No. I actually did that the other day when I

1113
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: went got a random breath test, just going through one

1114
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: of those, and she goes, how's your day going, And

1115
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: I said, I'm a sovereign citizen and then she just

1116
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: feat like that. I'm like, I'm just kidding, and she

1117
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: thankfully laughed and didn't shoot me. Or anything. But you

1118
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: see some of those.

1119
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: Things, you weren't a ninety year old granny with a steak, now.

1120
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. It really is about how you

1121
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: conduct yourself, and it is about not putting your foot

1122
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: in it, because ultimately they will stop, let's say ten

1123
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: to fifteen people in a session, they will take some

1124
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: very basic and if you've admitted, all they're going to

1125
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: write down is Yep, they've admitted it. It's at this

1126
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: recording on my GoPro or my voice recorder. I'm good

1127
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: to go. If you don't admit to anything, there is

1128
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: a good chance that of those ten they haven't taken

1129
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: notes down. But the time it gets to court, they

1130
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: have to have sufficient evidence to be able to do anything.

1131
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: And if all they've got is you saying I didn't

1132
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: do it, and they don't have anything else, I mean,

1133
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 2: they have no ability to charge you with anything.

1134
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 4: Well, that happened to former Prime Minister Paul Keating right right.

1135
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 4: The cops alleged that he drove through a red light.

1136
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

1137
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 4: He said no, I didn't, yep, and they gave him

1138
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 4: a ticket for it. He took it to court. They

1139
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: said he did. He said he didn't there was no

1140
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: other evidence, and the magistrates said, well, on the balance

1141
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 4: of all of this, there's no compelling there's reasonable doubt.

1142
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: Yep. Just because the cops says you did it, it

1143
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that that's true. No, they're not somehow not.

1144
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: You know that they're not all perfect non liars, you

1145
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, how can they have to

1146
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: have something?

1147
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 4: But in between my red light transgression and it being

1148
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 4: dismissed was six months. So if you're a cop and

1149
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: you work the full six months, can you even remember

1150
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 4: the interaction with the dude?

1151
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely in court? No, yep, exactly, It's just.

1152
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 4: Be a sea of face, Yeah, wouldn't it.

1153
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: You know. The other funny thing as well, had you

1154
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: have approached that intersection, breaked late and stopped in the

1155
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: position where you were prior to it going read, nothing

1156
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: would have happened. This is the thing. So just because

1157
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: you drove forward but didn't go through the actual intersection,

1158
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: you now have six months of your life you have

1159
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 2: to worry about all this stuff and waste your time

1160
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: getting references.

1161
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 4: Well, it's not cost effective to go to court, right BECA,

1162
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 4: It's just not not even if you don't have a lawyer, right.

1163
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: It's not for you or the taxpayer. No, No one

1164
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: wins out of that, yep.

1165
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 4: So the thing you've got to do is you've got

1166
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: to decide what the definition of value is. Because if

1167
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: you're doing it to save money, just pay the fine, right,

1168
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 4: But if you're doing it to make a statement, and

1169
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: in my case, I was hoping it would be a

1170
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 4: decent story as well, so that's worth it. But it

1171
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: took me roughly two days off work to get my

1172
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: shit together, and part of that was I paid a lawyer,

1173
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 4: like I'd interviewed a bunch of lawyers about it in

1174
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 4: the past, but I thought, you're a dick if you

1175
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 4: don't actually get a game plan out of a lawyer.

1176
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: And that cost me three hundred and thirty bucks, which

1177
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 4: was nearly as much as the fine, So you know

1178
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 4: you're not going to be financially in front. But the

1179
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: other thing is if you get booked, you should fight it.

1180
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: If it's fightable, you should fight the first one because

1181
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: if you wait till your license is hanging by a thread,

1182
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: the court will look at your record and you look

1183
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: like a shit driver, and you'll be less likely to

1184
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 4: get a dismissal if you've got a bunch of current offenses.

1185
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: What's the term they used, by the way, was it

1186
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: a pardon?

1187
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: Like, what's the It's a dismissal.

1188
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: It's an actual dismissal.

1189
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 4: It's a dismissal under Section ten.

1190
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: That's good crime, because that's what you know. For me,

1191
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: I reckon, like the wording would want to be we

1192
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: fucked up.

1193
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

1194
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: It's dismissed, like you admit the guilt of it. And

1195
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 4: they look at the totality of the circumstances and go,

1196
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 4: you know what, We're going to let him off. Yeah,

1197
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 4: I said, no, fine, no points, no black mark on

1198
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 4: your record, which is pretty cool. And in fact it was.

1199
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 4: It was the one light. It was the one shining

1200
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: light of actual fairness within the system, at least as

1201
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: far as I saw it. And I watched a bunch

1202
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: of other traffic offenders getting up throughout the course of

1203
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: the morning, and the ones who deserved it, they got

1204
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 4: their dismissal, and the ones who didn't they got told

1205
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 4: they weren't getting it, you know. So I saw that

1206
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 4: as actually being a reasonably fair and just place, unlike

1207
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 4: all of the interactions up to that point.

1208
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good point. I wanted to ask you,

1209
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: you know what's next for you? Are you our death?

1210
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: Most probably, I'll tell you what I'll tell you what's

1211
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: next for him. We're going out after this.

1212
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and we're just unfortunately it's out to have

1213
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: some pizza. But no, Wow, that's a big night out.

1214
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: And I mean, are you are you happy doing the

1215
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: YouTube stuff? Do you have any other plans? You know,

1216
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: what's your what's your sort of what are your future prospects?

1217
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: People are just happy cruising.

1218
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: Can't you accept my future prospects are? I'm fundamentally unemployable right,

1219
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 4: And like Satan isn't going to get a job anywhere else.

1220
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 4: He's in Hell, He's got ship to do. I'm like,

1221
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 4: I'm like Satan in this domain. There's fires to stoke

1222
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 4: and there's people to roast, and you know that kind of.

1223
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: Makes me to keep you busy.

1224
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: And it's not like I'm going to make anything up.

1225
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 4: We live in this post satire era where the news

1226
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 4: is actually a bigger inversion of reality of here's the test, you.

1227
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: Know, utopia, right?

1228
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 4: The show? If if I were writing a script for

1229
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 4: a show, and I mentioned some of the plot to

1230
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 4: some of the stories like Carlos Gone Right, escaping from

1231
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 4: almost certain long term imprisonment in Japan, being smuggled out

1232
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 4: of his rather opulent penthouse apartment in a fucking musical

1233
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 4: instrument case and put on a plane, a chartered plane

1234
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: by two former Special Ops dudes. Like if I wrote

1235
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: that in the.

1236
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: Script, you cannot make it up.

1237
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 4: Some executive at via common ring up and go mate,

1238
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 4: play off the crystal.

1239
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: Maybe you'll never get he ends up in Lebanon as

1240
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: well as mate, Okay, go back and.

1241
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 4: Get and he's a national hero, right, come on, But

1242
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 4: if you look at Rupert Stadler as well, and you know,

1243
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 4: if you look at the former.

1244
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: Winter Corn, oh yes, yeah, Martin Wintercorn.

1245
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: Like Winter Corn is under indictment in the US and

1246
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 4: the only reason he'll never get prosecuted is because and

1247
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,959
Speaker 4: he doesn't extradite It's citizens to the United States because

1248
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: of that nastiness you know back in the forties.

1249
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, well, let I guess solidifies that so

1250
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: we won't see you know, you've got autoex but we

1251
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: won't see you know.

1252
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: Fan that's coming up act is Yeah, well this is

1253
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: me with some velvelen, you know what I mean.

1254
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 4: What I mean, I don't think we'll see an only fan.

1255
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 4: I'm almost certain about that. But I've always thought there

1256
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 4: was there's a broader application for that kind of thing

1257
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 4: that I do, because there's so many media sicker fans, right,

1258
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 4: and it's nauseating. And I think the audience is smarter

1259
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 4: than they were in the seventies too, you know, Like

1260
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 4: there's a really fascinating biopic with a whole bunch of

1261
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: big names in it, like Robert Downey Jr. And that

1262
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: it's it's called good Night and good Luck. Everyone should

1263
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 4: watch that because it's that pivotal moment in journalism in

1264
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: the McCarthy era in the United States where they actually

1265
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 4: decided to start taking sides yep, right, And if you're

1266
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 4: interested in how the media works, it's a really interesting story.

1267
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: Right.

1268
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 4: So, what we've got at the moment is so many

1269
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 4: sicker fans. So we need a few more alaric and

1270
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: upstarts like you guys have got potential in the alaric

1271
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 4: and upstartery department. Although I appreciate that you still want

1272
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 4: to be on speaking terms in the car industry for

1273
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 4: the most where it's like I couldn't give a shit.

1274
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 4: You know, you're not talking to me again, Okay, dude, understood.

1275
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: I'll try and sleep. Okay, so enough.

1276
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: Actually just on that, just a couple of quick questions

1277
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: while we wrap. Is there a car this year that's

1278
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: made you happy? Like?

1279
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: What?

1280
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: Is there a car that you kind of go, yeah,

1281
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: this is actually lives up to the.

1282
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: Hype or that you would surprise. Yeah.

1283
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's released this year. But the

1284
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 4: car I would buy just to please myself right now

1285
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 4: is he under thirty en? Because I think it's just

1286
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 4: goodza fun.

1287
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: Great answer, Yeah right.

1288
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 4: BMWN three and cars of that nature. They just intimidate

1289
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 4: the shit out of me. They're exciting. But I can't

1290
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 4: milk a car like that for all this work.

1291
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: I haven't got that, so I don't think many people can.

1292
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: I also think most of the people consuming those sorts

1293
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: of cars, I really don't think they're taking it to

1294
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: the track like I honestly don't. I think it's very

1295
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: The track stuff is a very niche thing.

1296
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 4: They want people to look at them in their M

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01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 4: three And the only thing is they're not the only

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01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 4: dot that they're not joining in that particular sequence is

1299
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 4: most of the people looking at them in their M

1300
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 4: three are thinking what a.

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: Correct answer.

1302
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because, like they you do spend a

1303
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: lot of money for these cars, say, maybe not so

1304
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: much to the Ends, but for the M three, and

1305
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: that's quite a track focused car. You're really not going

1306
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: to ever be able to drive that to it's true potential.

1307
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: You can kind of show off to mates and can

1308
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: go check it out. Look how quick I can take

1309
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: this corner and all that sort of stuff.

1310
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 4: But the M three is looking back at you when

1311
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: you're doing that. The M three is looking back at

1312
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 4: you and going, is that all you're going?

1313
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1314
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: Lol, yeah, whatever the German equivalent of that.

1315
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the end.

1316
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: The Ends are cool little cars too.

1317
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: I really do like you're going to be a pretty

1318
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 4: spect driver to milk the shit out of them too.

1319
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 4: I've got to say, like the performance potential can only

1320
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 4: be accessed on a track, and you have to be

1321
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 4: on it to make it, to make it really perform.

1322
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 4: So it's a it's a really good package, you know.

1323
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: Like the fact that they called like the front wheel

1324
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: drive on it a feature too, I thought was really

1325
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: interesting when it was first released.

1326
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: After a while you kind of go, yeah.

1327
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 4: This is like, well that is really spooky, like it

1328
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 4: allows you to get on the gas so far in

1329
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 4: advance of an apex, because you know you're playing this

1330
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: game a chicken with yourself on the track all the time,

1331
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 4: like how early can I get on the gas? How

1332
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 4: early can I get on the gas all the time?

1333
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 4: How late can I break? How early can I get

1334
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: on the gas? And the answer is a lot earlier

1335
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: than that, dickhead?

1336
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: You go again, right, yeah, what about what about EV's?

1337
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: Where are we? Where are we at with the Yeah?

1338
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: What is your thing on EV's? Because I know that

1339
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: you you had certain views on elon Musk. Where are

1340
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: you at with evs? Because my opinion has changed?

1341
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: Mine was since you bought the hummer?

1342
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: Yes that's right, yeah, yeah, we've we've owned two teslas

1343
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: now and the first one was a lithium ion and

1344
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: since then, looking at thermal runaway and how dangerous they

1345
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: can be in those situations, my mind has changed on

1346
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: the LFP batteries that aren't susceptible to that kind of

1347
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: thermal runaway as susceptible as susceptible to that kind of

1348
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: thermal runaway and to me, if I'm putting family in

1349
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 2: the car, it's just a better safety feature for me.

1350
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: Do you think that we're there yet with that battery ticket?

1351
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: I know that an internal combustion car will catch on

1352
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: fire as well if you put a lighter near combustible fuel.

1353
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: But are we there yet?

1354
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, So the big difference is you can put

1355
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: a combustion car fire out with water.

1356
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: Or film and fairly quickly as well.

1357
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, But with a catastrophic thermal runaway, the decomposition of

1358
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 4: the electrolyte in the bat manufactures its own oxygen gas,

1359
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 4: so it can't be put out by deprivation of atmospheric oxygen,

1360
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 4: which is a conventional firefighting mechanism in Europe. What they

1361
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 4: have to do before the thermal runaway occurs, when the

1362
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 4: car's just on fire making a few bit of smoke

1363
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 4: sort of thing before it really kicks off, They put

1364
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: it in. They get a truck and they bring a

1365
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 4: big tub of water, like a big carsized bath tub,

1366
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 4: and they crane the car into that and water is

1367
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 4: the thermal shock absorber from hell, and that just keeps

1368
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 4: sucking heat out of the battery so that it doesn't

1369
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 4: reach the state of catastrophic thermal runaway, and the catastrophic

1370
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 4: thermal runaway phenomenon is what ultimately sunk the Felicity Ace

1371
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 4: about a year ago.

1372
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: That's right, the moment that had the stack of porschey

1373
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: Vs and eat.

1374
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 4: So one of them kicked off and had a on

1375
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 4: the balance of probability, no one knows because it's three

1376
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: and a half kilometers down the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, right,

1377
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: but four thousand cars. That ship had the capacity to

1378
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: carry four thousand cars. I don't know if it had the

1379
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 4: full four thousand on board, but anyway, it was a

1380
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 4: two hundred million dollar disaster, and it's because of the

1381
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 4: different nature of thermal runaways.

1382
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1383
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 4: So we're not there with evs. There's two major things.

1384
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 4: We're not there with the integration of them into society

1385
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 4: because in the West field of the future, there's going

1386
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 4: to be one hundred EV's and many of them are

1387
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 4: going to be plugged in, and one of them might

1388
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 4: have been in a minor fender bender, and the bumper

1389
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 4: could be on with gaffer tape and it could have

1390
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 4: a problem with the battery, right, and you plug it in,

1391
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 4: Mum and Dad go shopping. And it has a thermal

1392
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 4: runaway and it picks up the three or four evs

1393
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 4: around it. They have thermal runaways, and when that thermal

1394
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 4: runaway event happens in an enclosed space, it's extremely dangerous

1395
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: because of the chemicals like hydrofluoric acid. And the other

1396
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 4: one is cobalt. Right. Two firefighters in Victoria are medically

1397
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 4: retired because of their exposure to cobalt following a EV

1398
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 4: file and they turn up with a PPE.

1399
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: Right.

1400
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 4: The thing about cobalt is you get it on your skin.

1401
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 4: It fucks you, right, you don't even have to breathe it. Okay.

1402
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 4: So we're not really there in terms of the management

1403
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 4: of these risks. And it's a real dichotomy when you've

1404
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 4: got low probability events because it's not likely that it's

1405
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 4: going to happen. Probability is really low, but the seriousness,

1406
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 4: the severity of the event when it does happen, is

1407
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 4: extremely high. So we haven't really integrated that into society.

1408
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 4: And I think we're also over selling evs to the population.

1409
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 4: And that's evidenced by when you look at the EV

1410
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 4: Council and and who sponsors the EV Council, right, Who

1411
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 4: pays the bills. There there's a lot of energy companies

1412
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 4: because what a lot of energy retailers want you to

1413
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 4: do is they want you to look at the EV

1414
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 4: because it's a shiny new toy you can buy and

1415
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 4: we can save the planet.

1416
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: But also you can use a shitload of electricity. Yeah,

1417
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: and help us make a lot of money.

1418
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, coal projects and gas projects, they're all over the horizon.

1419
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: You can't really see them, but you can see the evs.

1420
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 4: So in terms of their environmental benefit, their greenhouse benefit,

1421
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 4: they're being over sold. Then if we get Harry Potter's freakin'

1422
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 4: wand and replace every passenger car in the country with

1423
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 4: an EV right now, we make an eight percent difference

1424
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 4: to our greenhouse gas emissions because that's the contribution of

1425
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 4: passenger cars, right, Passenger vehicles like light vehicles, And that's

1426
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: if the electricity used to charge them is all sustainable electricity,

1427
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 4: which it's not. Okay, So this conflation of evs with

1428
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 4: real climate action. They're part of a solution, but the

1429
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 4: real big part of the solution is coal and gas,

1430
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: and nobody wants to talk about that.

1431
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and that's that's the thing with EV's. I

1432
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: think if you're buying it to make an environmental stance.

1433
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: I just don't know that it's the right thing at

1434
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: the moment. And we didn't buy ours for that reason.

1435
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: I just wanted a fast TV and that's what it was.

1436
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: And I rarely have drive it anyway. My wife drives it,

1437
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: and you know it does it serves that purpose. But

1438
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 2: I do think infrastructure is shit, and it really pisces

1439
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 2: me off with companies like charge Fox who take all

1440
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: of this government money to roll out infrastructure. You go,

1441
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 2: there's our taxpayer money. They're partly funded by governments. A

1442
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 2: lot of the charges they do are funded by governments.

1443
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: You go there and plug in. Thing doesn't work.

1444
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, they seem to be answerable to nobody.

1445
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing them. THEO was drunk. Sorry,

1446
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 2: I should have still Again, the authority that basically dishes

1447
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: out this money for these projects, We've contacted them to

1448
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: ask them how many of the charges that taxpayers have

1449
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 2: funded are currently working. No one responds to any emails that.

1450
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 4: They don't want to talk about uptime.

1451
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: No EV Council is is just a money spinning operation.

1452
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: If you have a look at how many employees they have,

1453
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: and how much money car companies and these energy companies

1454
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: are paying them. Tell you what, there's not much being spent,

1455
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: but there is a lot coming in.

1456
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 4: So so the last key of launch I ever went

1457
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 4: on was the key EV six, and I said to them,

1458
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 4: let me drive on home because it was in camera,

1459
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 4: so it'll make it.

1460
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 2: Okay.

1461
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 4: So here's what happens. They give me the keys to

1462
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 4: the car, they say, yeah, here's your EV six, and

1463
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 4: I go, how much charges have got? And they go

1464
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 4: all the charges downstairs in the hotel room were blown up,

1465
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 4: so we don't really know. A couple hundred k's maybe,

1466
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 4: And I go, okay, that's great, I'll charge up on

1467
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 4: the way home. So I pull up in Goulben and

1468
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 4: one of the charges is dead like brown bread, and

1469
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: the other one is reported by the app as being up,

1470
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 4: but it's got a completely black screen. So it's kind

1471
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: of like trying to use your smartphone with no screen. Okay,

1472
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 4: bit difficult, It's okay if you've got a great memory.

1473
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 4: And then the last charger is up, I go, great,

1474
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 4: so I pick it up, plug it in, and I've

1475
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 4: charged up a thousand EV's by now, so plug it in.

1476
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: And what's going to happen first is it goes through

1477
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 4: this handshake routine where where the plug goes into the socket,

1478
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: the socket grabs the plug so you can't withdraw it

1479
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 4: while it's being charge and strike the world's biggest welding

1480
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 4: up right, so you can feel the servo motor or

1481
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 4: whatever it is trying or the solenoid trying to grab it.

1482
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 4: And it's trying and failing right because the plug is worn.

1483
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with the car. But at this stage

1484
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 4: I've exhausted all charging opportunities. I can't get back to

1485
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 4: Sydney without making this work. So I have five or

1486
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 4: six cracks at it, and on the sixth crack, it

1487
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 4: grabs the plug and I go, yay. I knew i'd

1488
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: get there eventually, but what a prick to ease right.

1489
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 4: And then so I get home, but I'm making these

1490
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 4: plans to call Kiir and say, hey, if you want

1491
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 4: your EV six back, it's parked in the back lot

1492
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 4: here and I'm hitching a ride with somebody.

1493
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: Else and there's my uber bill as well.

1494
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 4: But that was a better story than reviewing the EV six,

1495
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 4: because this is the reality of the whole deal, and

1496
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 4: if I'd bought an EV six in Canberra, dropped eighty

1497
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 4: thousand dollars and my own money on it, and that

1498
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 4: was my first impression of driving it to Sydney, which

1499
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 4: hypothetically should be a piece of piss, I'd be gutted.

1500
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 2: That's the issue, right. These car companies can't do really

1501
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: anything about it, and that's why Tesla has been so

1502
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: clever in the way that they've rolled out charging infrastructure

1503
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: and they're now charging brands. I mean in the States now,

1504
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: Ford and I think GM have now said that they're

1505
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: moving to Tesla's charging standards. They've moved away from CCS

1506
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: or the type one plug, So I think that that's

1507
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 2: a sign of things to come. But it's also bad

1508
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: news if you own a Tesla because you had these

1509
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: exclusive charges that were only yours, that are now very

1510
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,440
Speaker 2: busy during public holidays, that very shortly will be accessible

1511
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: by everyone who doesn't own a Tesla.

1512
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 4: Where's the grid upgrade program? Like if you're some rich

1513
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 4: wanka in a in observatory tower down there in Kent Street, right,

1514
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 4: I know someone who lives there, So there are no

1515
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 4: EV charges in that car park I've ever seen anyway.

1516
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 4: If you want to upgrade that, where's the power going

1517
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 4: to come from? Because if you wanted to put a

1518
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 4: seven killer watt charger in every one of those parking

1519
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 4: spaces for the electric utope ere of the future, where's

1520
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 4: the local grid upgrade? Where are they rolling that out?

1521
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 4: I'm not seeing a whole bunch of NBN style dudes

1522
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 4: in pickup trucks, you know, putting big, bigger, fatter wires

1523
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 4: in the street.

1524
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what turned me off, actually, because my apartment

1525
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: building wouldn't allow you know, charging stations at all.

1526
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: Didn't you do that?

1527
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1528
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, many of them won't.

1529
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 2: And the only way to get around it is to

1530
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: do it. We've just done at our place, and basically

1531
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: that is rolling out an initiative to install av charges

1532
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: and I'll explain how it works and the cost of it.

1533
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: So we ran cable trays through the entire car park,

1534
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: We install Wi Fi through the entire car park for

1535
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 2: cars to do upgrades and whatever. And then what we

1536
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: did is we did a load study on our incoming

1537
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: supply over seven days to look at peak and troughs,

1538
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: and then what we did is determined overhead supply deducted

1539
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: a safety margin and that was your EV capacity. Then

1540
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 2: what happens is there's a load manager, and what it

1541
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: does is it constantly reads the incoming supply to tell

1542
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 2: you how much you have in terms of buffer, and

1543
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: then as the EV's plug in, it'll ramp up and

1544
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: ramp down EV. So if it's off peak, you can

1545
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: have up to seven odd killer wats, and if it's

1546
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 2: on peak, they'll ramp it down to a killer WAT

1547
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: potentially if they're all plugged in at once. Yeah, all great,

1548
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 2: except for our apartment which has one hundred and seventy

1549
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: five units just on the mass. That's about seventy odd

1550
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for that upgrade so far. And there's a

1551
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: couple of extra bits and pieces that need to happen. Now.

1552
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 2: A lot of apartment buildings if you look at it

1553
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: these days in the news body corporates don't have a

1554
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: cent to spare shows. Has been well managed because i'm

1555
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: the chair, but it's been a well managed terms of budget,

1556
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 2: and we have this overhead. If you don't have that

1557
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: over head and you rent, or even if you rent

1558
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: and you don't own, it is very hard slash impossible

1559
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: to have an EV that you can charge at home,

1560
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: which is ideally for us. We only ever, you know,

1561
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: we've done twenty thousand k's in hours now over the

1562
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: period of a year. We basically only have a drive

1563
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: to Geelong or to Ballarat to see families. It's one

1564
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: hundred and ten hundred and twenty k's away. If I'm

1565
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 2: driving further, I park the EV. If it's a long weekend,

1566
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: I park the EV and we'll take our other car

1567
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: because I don't want to get trapped with a two

1568
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: year old winging in the back seat at a charger

1569
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 2: when I'm tenth in Q waiting who knows how long.

1570
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 2: And that's that's the reality, and people don't like that.

1571
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: When I mention it, I'm a public enemy number one

1572
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: of the Tesla Model three Model Y Owners club on Facebook.

1573
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: I had to leave the group because there's so many

1574
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: just fuckwits in there.

1575
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 4: But EV's are a religion. Yeah, there's a group in

1576
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 4: society for whom EV's are a religion. It's not unlike

1577
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 4: gun culture in the United States.

1578
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1579
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 4: You can't make logical arguments with EV zealots.

1580
01:16:58,120 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 2: You just came exactly, And a lot of the time

1581
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 2: it's their first new car or the newest car they've

1582
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: had for a while, and they're blown away with all

1583
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: these features, like yeah, when I put the indicator on,

1584
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 2: the thing comes up on the screen. I'm like, okay,

1585
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: under key, you do that, Like it's yeah, Tesla didn't

1586
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: invent this stuff. They really their self driving stuff is

1587
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: horrendously bad. But no one, no one talks about this

1588
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: because they don't want to admit that the thing they've

1589
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: spent their life savings on is yeah good, Like it's great.

1590
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: I like the car, but it is not this amazing

1591
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 2: utopia of car.

1592
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: I think they also get they love the fact that

1593
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: they're in some sort of a group as well. I

1594
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: guess generally, if you or anything to go by, those

1595
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: people don't have a lot of friends, and so they

1596
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: just like the feeling of belonging. And why not have

1597
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: a belonging feeling to a big dickhead group?

1598
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: That's anyway? All right, Well, this has gone a lot

1599
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 2: longer than I thought it was going.

1600
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one quick thing, EV, right now.

1601
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 4: What are you enjoying in just in EV? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1602
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 4: the EV that I would really enjoy doesn't exist, because

1603
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 4: I want an EV for about thirty five grand that's

1604
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 4: only got one hundred and twenty k's of range. It's

1605
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 4: a bit of a poverty shitter. That's your second car,

1606
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 4: so that your big Humma or your diesel or something

1607
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 4: can stay in the garage when you just need to

1608
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 4: nip down to the shops. You don't come back with,

1609
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 4: you know, forty dozen cases of beer and some red meat.

1610
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, something, pretty much. They do have their benefits in

1611
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: the city though. I know that whenever a fucking bus

1612
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: drives past you or something fiant truck and you choke

1613
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: to death on the side of the road, that kind

1614
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: of stuff will be improved with EV's in the future.

1615
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is the ones that produce all

1616
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: that buses and trucks don't really work well as EV's

1617
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: at the moment.

1618
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 4: So Australia's got a real problem with that though too,

1619
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: because in Europe, if you've got a bustard asshole truck,

1620
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 4: as trucks get older, they move west. Yes, yes, so

1621
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 4: the move east, they move to eastern Europe right. And

1622
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 4: in America, when trucks go from new to old they

1623
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 4: go south, so they go through Mexico and Columbia. So

1624
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 4: all the evil, pollution belching shitters are going to the

1625
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 4: less socioeconomically affluent places. And in Australia, what happens is

1626
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: your old truck stops doing long haul and it starts

1627
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 4: picking up containers in botany or something and taking the

1628
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 4: marning wood. So the oldest trucks on our roads, which

1629
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 4: have no fundamental pollution control, emitting the most toxic carcinogenic shit,

1630
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 4: are driving through the most populous regions in the nation,

1631
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 4: which past schools, which is not that fucking stupid, is it?

1632
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 4: You know, like, come on, so evs will clean up

1633
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 4: the tailpipe back, but there's no there's no real political

1634
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 4: will to do that with our most polluting vehicles because

1635
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 4: that would be an attack on battler's because that's who

1636
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 4: picks up containers.

1637
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And that's the double edged sword. I also

1638
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: don't want them spending all of my taxpayer dollars to

1639
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: help some wealthy person buy an EV unless they are

1640
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: thirty odd grand. The guy that's buying one hundred thousand

1641
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 2: dollars EV doesn't need an incentive or some ability to

1642
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: reduce the amount they're spending on it. I mean, that's

1643
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: just ridiculous.

1644
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 4: I don't think the car industry can supply them in

1645
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 4: the requisite volumes anyway, because there's fifteen million light vehicles

1646
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 4: on the roads in Australia. And if we were miraculously

1647
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 4: to get our hands on half a million EV's a year, right,

1648
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 4: it's going to take thirty years to replace combustion. So

1649
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 4: people who think that this transition is happening and it's

1650
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 4: miraculous and it will be wake up one day like

1651
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 4: this and all of a sudden it's all evs. Well,

1652
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 4: you wouldn't want to be fifty thinking that.

1653
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: I am amazed how quick though, that.

1654
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: The marketing and everything that goes with it has really

1655
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,839
Speaker 1: been up in the last even eighteen months for evs,

1656
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: Like I remember when we first started this, right, I

1657
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: remember one of the first news stories we were talking

1658
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: about was within two years out he thinks they're going

1659
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 1: to make more money on their evs And I.

1660
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 2: Was like, has changed? What?

1661
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, But these statements are not held up to subsequent scrutiny.

1662
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1663
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 4: They're a good headline now. You know, in fifteen years

1664
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 4: if that changes, if we get to twenty thirty five

1665
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 4: and we can't actually ban combustion, because you can't get

1666
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 4: enough in you can't get enough electric cars, and you know.

1667
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 2: Most people can't afford them. Yeah, so if.

1668
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 4: That happens, then we'll just change the narrative. Yeah, go

1669
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 4: bit Youtope, you're on it.

1670
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: Well now, to anyone listening at the moment, if there

1671
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: is anything you want us to ask John, it would

1672
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 2: be great to have him back on again and send

1673
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: us through your questions, you know, just anything you want

1674
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: to know out out of him. I know that you

1675
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: respond to a lot of people on your YouTube. Any

1676
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 2: sort of weird shit people have asked you. Do you

1677
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: have any sort of weird fans?

1678
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 4: Is there ever a day?

1679
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: So nice, very quickly tell the story. Yesterday we caught

1680
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: up with John for a coffee and as we're walking

1681
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: to the coffee place, this bloke stops us and he goes, sorry,

1682
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: I just wanted to stop you for a second. All

1683
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: your videos. I thought he was talking to me because

1684
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: he was a younger bloke, and I thought, okay, of course,

1685
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: he just looked straight past me and looked at John

1686
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: and who's made a glow by day. My favorite part

1687
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 2: was he goes, oh, by the way, one of my

1688
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: really good mates does YouTube videos as well. You should

1689
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 2: check them out. His name's Tom Baker. I just said, mate,

1690
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: your copy too much of an avid viewer because he's

1691
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 2: currently under a bus at the moment.

1692
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 4: When was the last time you've spoken?

1693
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 2: That was a That was a fun story. But do

1694
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 2: you get sort of randos and stuff all the time.

1695
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: Like here's the thing. I was on TV for twenty

1696
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 4: years right regularly on top like Current Affair and today

1697
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 4: tonight they were top rating shows even though you know

1698
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 4: it's trash. Robson was a bloody sort what neighbors, neighbors

1699
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,520
Speaker 4: at war? What's in meat? Miracle underwear? That all vegetables?

1700
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 4: Are they really healthy?

1701
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1702
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 4: That psychics? What's your cat really thinking? So hardly ever

1703
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 4: got recognized but from YouTube. The difference between TV and

1704
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 4: YouTube is you choose to watch YouTube, You choose the

1705
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 4: specific thing that you're going to watch. So basically every

1706
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 4: time I go out, I get recognized. It's amazing to me,

1707
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 4: and it's never some some dickhead who wants to who

1708
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: wants to knock your head off.

1709
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, isn't it, Because you get a

1710
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 2: lot of people who and this is why I think

1711
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: it's it's a vocal minority that you don't like you.

1712
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 4: But there commenters aren't the whole audience. There a subset

1713
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:22,440
Speaker 4: of the audio.

1714
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: Pisce week to do anything anyway because they're there on

1715
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: a keyboard with anonymous underscore seven one six.

1716
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, I'm not worried to me, I'm not

1717
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 4: worried about the guy who the guy who says something

1718
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 4: unsavory to you in the comments feed. I'd be a

1719
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 4: little more potentially concerned about someone who just you know,

1720
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 4: is quietly plotting world domination in his basement and he's

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Speaker 4: got me near the top of the list.

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01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 2: Get rid of that.

1723
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: Tickets just a dartboard with your faith.

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01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 4: No, it's actually a much nicer experience. The really perverse

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01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 4: thing though, And there's no exception to this. No one

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01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 4: ever introduces himself yep, right, because they've already got a

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01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 4: relationship with you.

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01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah right, that's interesting.

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01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: That's cool because I've known you for six years. If

1730
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 4: if I've known I don't walk up to Paul yea

1731
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 4: and go oh, Paula.

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01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. We do sometimes just to see what

1733
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: kind of reaction you'd get. Yeah, if I had a brain,

1734
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 2: and well look that was that was good fun. So yeah, look,

1735
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 2: you do have any questions, shoot them through and we'll

1736
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 2: see if we can get John back on again. Yeah.

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01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 4: I loved it.

1738
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 2: We can talk talk ship. There's a lot of ship

1739
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: to be spoken about. It's underrated.

1740
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 4: Talking shit is underrated.

1741
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know I love listening to podcasts when I'm

1742
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: on a long drive, just especially this one. Yeah, yes,

1743
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 2: of course, yes.

1744
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: Then I'll get a text that you really shouldn't have

1745
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: included that in the podcast. That's probably not a good idea.

1746
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 4: Do you edit out the guests and Gordon just listen

1747
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 4: to your own stuff?

1748
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much we did, so we take out the

1749
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: soundtracks and then I won't even hear you guys. That

1750
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 2: was a good laugh. Yeah, Jesus, a good question.

1751
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: Funny, wasn't in sightful post stand in front of the mirror?

1752
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: If only I could pull the pants off my own reflection.

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01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: Jesus, beautiful, excellent, Thanks guys, There you go. That was

1754
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: That went much longer than expected, but it was really

1755
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 2: good to catch up with John and just talk about stuff.

1756
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 2: It is. It is funny how a lot of people

1757
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: think that we all hate him and he hates us.

1758
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: But I didn't even realize honestly, I didn't even know

1759
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: you guys had beef.

1760
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 2: I like him.

1761
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: I like the fact that he calls people out and

1762
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: he has an opinion, and I like the fact that

1763
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: he's got an opinion, he's got an argument to back

1764
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: it up, whether you agree or disagree.

1765
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: I think that's really everyone's allowed to have an opinion.

1766
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: That's the thing, framing how you like, and to be honest.

1767
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: Whenever he roasts me or Elbows or Tony in a video,

1768
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: we genuinely find it hilarious. So wow, he's got some zingers. Yes,

1769
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 2: every time he does something, I get contacted by stacks

1770
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: of different people on social like, oh my god, did

1771
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 2: you see this? And I'm like, no, but how good

1772
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: is it? People think, yeah? But anyway, But now let's

1773
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: get on to a little bit of feedback. Okay, So

1774
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: there is something a little bit troubling here. So on

1775
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: on our Apple I tune, there is a person the

1776
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: gone a Bit too Far question Mark question Mark question

1777
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: Mark guy who left us a one star rating and

1778
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: said that Paul, you have a.

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01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: Brand, Yeah, you have an engineering brand. So I just

1780
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: assumed it was a fellow engineer or some bitchy person

1781
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: from the car industry.

1782
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 2: Or Daniel Daniel, but this person changed their rating, so

1783
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 2: they changed it to five stars, left a comment. They

1784
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 2: then removed that rating and brought it back again with

1785
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:46,440
Speaker 2: this comment titled Gordy has improved. Oh what I've improved?

1786
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: But hold on, let's not get ahead of itself. Paul,

1787
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 2: you have a brand to protect and Gordy is not

1788
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 2: doing you any favors. The smutty humor is quite pathetic.

1789
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your recent gong. I think he is dong.

1790
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: So thank you to that person for the nice bits

1791
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: and the gaudy bits I don't really care about. But

1792
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: who are you like? You just tell us who you

1793
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 2: are and it's okay. You don't have to hide behind her.

1794
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: You've got some sort of like secret of Mara Now well,

1795
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: I mean, come on mate, one of many, I guess.

1796
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: Let's go to the email.

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01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: You are big on the mums. Hey, apologies about our

1798
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: emails lately. If you've sent us an email, please can

1799
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: you resend it because our email system seems to be

1800
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: a little bit down. Let's pull up some dms. This

1801
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: one's from Garth. Thanks for contacting us, Garth. This is great.

1802
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I saw Paul's orgasm face after his G four RST review. No,

1803
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: Donnor insight, Well, you be surprised she's pretty flexible that

1804
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: she was wrapped around that rollcage. Jesus, why do I

1805
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: have like an image of like Flubber that movie. Yeah,

1806
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 1: so he sent us that. He also sent us Oh okay,

1807
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: so do you know thet House boys?

1808
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: No, but I've watched their content y Yeah.

1809
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he centers the I think he just wanted

1810
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: our opinion on the Toyota Corolla hybrid or wheel dry.

1811
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: But interesting? What else is he said? Seriously, we pay

1812
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: so much money for boring cars. As we move to electrification,

1813
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: it seems the gap from function to rip your tits

1814
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: off is astronomical. Remember when the Ford Falcon was thirty

1815
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: eight K to the ah, this is interesting, Yeah, to

1816
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: the XR six Turbo it was like ten k. Now

1817
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: spending forty k just to get the tires hot.

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01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I actually think that's a really good point.

1819
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 2: And my theory is that manufacturers are obviously moving to

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: electric vehicles, and what they're trying to do is make

1821
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: you more comfortable with spending a lot more money, So

1822
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 2: they up the price now so that when EV's come

1823
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: there's a less of a bridge to gap, gap to

1824
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: bridge one of the makes no sense. But yeah, I think

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01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 2: the problem with that is that some car companies that

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01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: haven't released models are just charging more for the same

1827
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: thing that three or five years ago was significantly less.

1828
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: The other problem as well is that this is going

1829
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 2: to be their method of discounting. So now that they've

1830
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 2: jacked the price up ten to fifteen to twenty percent,

1831
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 2: they'll do a five or ten percent off deal friend

1832
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: of financial year. But there's still five or ten percent

1833
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 2: up from where they were three to five years ago,

1834
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: where they were still making money. So I think it's

1835
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: quite clear that people are really paying a lot for

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01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 2: cars at the moment, and it's not just one brand

1837
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: that's doing it. So it is something to be aware

1838
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 2: of and perhaps look at the second hand market if

1839
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: that is a little less hard to bear.

1840
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: This one thing is from Intrigued Coop.

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01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Intriguing.

1842
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, first of all, Intrigue, yere you go. Intrigued

1843
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: Coop said, as this great photo of the goat car right,

1844
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: shout out to little Pavlo riding his goat car. I

1845
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 1: have to get to school, Papa, Can I thank the goat?

1846
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 2: Did this at three am. I trying to sell my

1847
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: or one and a half year old daughter. Is gold.

1848
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: Good on you? Yeah, amazing.

1849
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: We're sending that guy a little something something too. He's

1850
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: in wa not fucked out the postage, just to he

1851
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: can come and get it painted on it.

1852
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 2: Where are you from?

1853
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Corrup Corp, Cory rap col core Ca PASSNIP.

1854
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. Over on the emails, we got an

1855
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 2: email from Jean Paul Coverlin. Guys, this podcast rocks, keep

1856
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 2: it up. Thank you. It's okay, So I'll reread it

1857
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 2: out because he sent it to us. I just want

1858
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 2: to let you know that I have intelligent information about

1859
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: an already made Ford everest Raptor that has been built

1860
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: and is currently stored at the Ford Geelong Compound. It's

1861
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 2: only fifteen staff involved in the build. It is said

1862
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 2: the raptor will not be made into production as the

1863
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: cost of the unit compared to the Ford Ranger Raptor

1864
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 2: is extremely more and it isn't viable to produce at

1865
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 2: the time. It is said that the efest Raptor is

1866
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 2: a better looking unit and has widened guards than the ute.

1867
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 2: It will only go on display in the coming year

1868
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 2: at the Goodwood Festival of Speed as a concept by

1869
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 2: Ford Performance US and Seema.

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01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Rumors, and it was built here in Geelong. Apparently interesting,

1871
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: you go to Geelong a lot.

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01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: No yiga gig. This is great.

1873
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: I just remember that it's.

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01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 2: The worst thing I've ever started. But yeah, interesting. I

1875
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 2: believe that.

1876
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: I believe what he saying is true. I reckon there

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01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: is one in existence in a bunker underneath. I hope

1878
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: they Ford, HQ and Geelong.

1879
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: It is a logical thing. If you have a look

1880
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 2: at what range of Raptor has achieved recently. At one

1881
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 2: it's class in the BAHA one thousand. They just finished

1882
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 2: the Fink Desert Race here in Australia and it won

1883
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: its class, their best production car, and they've just announced

1884
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: that it's going to be doing Dakha. This is really

1885
01:31:56,120 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 2: a roll cage, but it is fundamentally stock car. Pretty

1886
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: bloody amazing. That is cool.

1887
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: Oh you know what's starting to pop up in the

1888
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 1: US actual physical versions of the nine to eleven DAKA.

1889
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cool, looks it's an interesting car. See if

1890
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: you park that next to the Lambo, the Strato Hurricane. Yeah,

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01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 2: I just reckon the nine to eleven looks so much better.

1892
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 2: It just looks like it can actually do the stuff

1893
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 2: that it's meant to do, whereas the Lamb beginning, I

1894
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 2: don't know. I just feel like they've kind of just

1895
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 2: done it for the psych of doing it. Oh, I'd

1896
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: still love to check it out though.

1897
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think the nine to eleven definitely

1898
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: has more ground clearance, Like it does look like.

1899
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: A pumped up more of a car. But man, there

1900
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 2: would be something about that.

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01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, fucking move them an, I can check out

1902
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: the strato.

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01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 2: That's good. If you did enjoy that episode, please, like

1904
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: I said, let us know if you want to ask

1905
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 2: John anything and get him back on.

1906
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: We're definitely going to get back on it. He's actually

1907
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: going to be doing a jelly wrestling.

1908
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 2: Match with Trevor.

1909
01:32:58,880 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh.

1910
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see that.

1911
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna look like two lava lamps smashed together.

1912
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, but yeah, we'll try and get Trevor back

1913
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 2: on as well. Yeah, let us let us know what

1914
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 2: you think of the show. Contact at the Driversshow dot com,

1915
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 2: todau or on our socials and also, if you haven't

1916
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 2: done already, please leave us a rating on the platform

1917
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 2: that you're listening to share the podcast with your mates. Ye,

1918
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: make sure everyone knows about it. We really appreciate the

1919
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 2: support and all the comments that you guys leave us

1920
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 2: all the time.

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01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, one more big thanks to John. Really do appreciate

1922
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: you coming on. You know who we should get on

1923
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: and it's probably someone only you could wingle up like

1924
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 1: you've got the contact?

1925
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 2: Is it, Kim John Munn? No, okay, it's.

1926
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Donna, and I think it's time you take a drive

1927
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: in Regional Victoria, Regional South Australia, wherever the fuck you

1928
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: and Donna shacked up in that bloody caravan of courage

1929
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: and you.

1930
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 2: Should bring her on.

1931
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just got a tech from Donna.

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01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 2: We can send me your request for Donna. We've got

1933
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: to get her on, well, get her off