1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer and health coach, 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife, and dog mum. On the Rise 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves, 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself, 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals. 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Are you with me, girl friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys, 12 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: and welcome to another episodisode of the Rise and Conquer Podcast. 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Today we are chatting to Kylie Camps. She is the 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: owner of The Kind Parenting Company and host of the 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Kylie Camps Podcast. She is an infant and child sleep consultant, 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: mother of twin boys, and happiness advocate. The Kind Parenting 17 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: Company philosophy is all about protecting the emotional wellness of 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: the whole family through evidence based methods and kind parenting techniques. 19 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Her podcast focuses on conversations for women, particularly mothers who 20 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: have perhaps lost themselves in motherhood. She shares her highs 21 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: and lows of mom life and promotes a healthy, realistic 22 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: lifestyle while talking about parenting, relationships, and self development. Today 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: we cover topics such as mom guilt, the big question 24 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: of what to do with social media and young children, 25 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: how to utilize and really manage your time so you're 26 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: getting most from the day, and how to have an 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: identity away from your children. As you guys know, I'm 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: not a mother, but it's definitely something I'm thinking about 29 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. So I really really 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed this conversation with Kylie, and I'm so excited for 31 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: you guys to listen. Hi, Kylie, thank you so much 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: for coming on the show. 33 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: Hey Georgie, thank you for having me. 34 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: Of course, I am so excited. Before we get into 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: the good stuff, though, as this is the Rise and 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: Conquer podcast, I have to ask, what is one thing 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: you are rising up and conquering this week? 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: I would have to say this week I am rising 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: up and conquering my son's recovery from his tonsil ectomy 40 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: and just juggling mum life with my other son. So 41 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: it's definitely been a bit of a hairy forty eight hours. 42 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: He had his tonsils out on we two days ago, 43 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: so right now we're just trying to conquer him resting 44 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: and getting better. 45 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: That is so horrible, the poor thing. I grew up 46 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: having tonsilitis all the time. So so it's probably good 47 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: they're out now and he can recover and stop getting 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: tonsol itis. 49 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, fingers crossed. It's going to help improve his overall health. 50 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, just a bit of a yucky recovery period, 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: but we'll get there. 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Well, good luck with rising conquering that. I hope he 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: gets better soon. So I would love if you can 54 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Can you give a quick intro into who 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: you are and what the Kind Parenting Company is? 56 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: Sure? So, I am an infant and child sleep consultant 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: and Happiest baby educator. My husband and I we own 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: the Kind Parenting Company, which is an online company, and 59 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: we specialize in programs for baby and told the sleep 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: and hold the behavior as well. We also hold events 61 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: for women with a really strong focus on personal growth 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: and development. I also have my own podcast, which is 63 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: the Kylie Camps Podcast, and I also do a bit 64 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: of work, I guess on social media as well. 65 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: Amazing, you have a lot going on, and so how 66 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: did you get into being a sleep consultant. 67 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: Yes, there's definitely a lot happening. But I kind of 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: fell into the world of sleep consultancy purely because we 69 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: had our twin boys in twenty thirteen and we just 70 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: had no idea about how to help them sleep in 71 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: a kind way. At the time, it was all the 72 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: rage to just let babies cry out and be a 73 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: bit more strict, which it's not now, thankfully, but you know, 74 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: nearly six years ago, it definitely was, and my husband Matt, 75 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: and I just felt like our back was kind of 76 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: up against the wall in terms of wanting to foster 77 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: that emotional wellness, but we also needed to get some sleep. 78 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: So we both became really obsessed with infant sleep and 79 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: I decided that I would enroll to complete my certification, 80 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: and at that time I didn't really intend upon using 81 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: it professionally, but once I started to gain this feels 82 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: and knowledge, I felt like I had an obligation to 83 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: other parents to share this knowledge. 84 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Isn't it funny how you kind of just like fall 85 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: into things. I love that and so obviously you're a 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: mum of twins' wife, a speaker, sleep consultant. Like you said, 87 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: you do stuff on social media. I have to ask, 88 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: and obviously this is a very bored question, but like, 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: how do you actually do it all? I'm like, find 90 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: myself very stressed out and I have like one or 91 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: two businesses and you have two little ones, Like how 92 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: do you actually do it all? 93 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: You know what, I always try and be really transparent 94 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: when people ask me this question, because it does come 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: through a bit. I'll get dms from other women saying 96 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: how are you doing it all? And I know with 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: social media it can seem like people are doing it all, 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: But to be honest, I don't. I don't do it all. 99 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: And I always say this, you know, I choose one 100 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: or two areas and I try and do those areas really, 101 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: really well, and then sometimes the rest of my life, 102 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: like the other areas in my life, they just suffer 103 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: or there's a sacrifice that you pay sometimes when you're 104 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: really invested in doing super well in one area of life, 105 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: if that makes sense. I'm always talking about the fact 106 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: that everything in life comes back to pain verse pleasure. 107 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: So for me, the pleasure of really prioritizing parenting and 108 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: my family often does come at the pain of, you know, 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: my social life taking a hit, or the pleasure of 110 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: running a business and having that freedom to create this 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: lifestyle for our family does have the pain point of 112 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 2: you know, not being able to go to every single 113 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: family function, not being able to do everything socially. It's 114 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: just not really a case of doing everything for me. 115 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: It's a case of doing the things that are most important. 116 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for being so transparent. It's like, I don't 117 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: want to say unusual, but I love that you've kind 118 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: of been like, yeah, well, sometimes other stuff does suffer, 119 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: but that's what you get when you do put your 120 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: focus on priorities. Do you have any tips for mums 121 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: or dads who are got their own business or they're 122 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: doing a certain project, Like, do you have any time 123 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: management tips, because I'm sure you have to have some. 124 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I thank my lucky stars that when we had 125 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: our twin boys, it really forced me to become super 126 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: super organized because when you have two newborns, it is 127 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: all about military precision organization so that you can get 128 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: out the door and just get on with your day. 129 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: So having twins definitely made me super organized, and it's 130 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: something that I guess I've continued to refine each and 131 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: every year. I'm a big fan in trying to remember 132 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: to look after future Kylie. So that often means each 133 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: night going Okay, what do I need to do now? Like, 134 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: what can I spend twenty minutes doing so that future 135 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: Kylie tomorrow has a much more streamlined day. So it's 136 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: simple things like unpacking the dishwasher, the knots out of 137 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: the kids' school shoes so that I don't get frustrated 138 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: the next morning, spending time doing that. It's just yeah, 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: looking after future you and being that bit more organized. 140 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: I also think having a morning routine is really important. 141 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: And getting enough sleep. 142 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: I actually love that. I haven't really heard that before. 143 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: So looking after the future you. So does this also include, like, 144 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, making sure you get enough sleep so you 145 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: like the next day is good and that sort of 146 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: thing as well. 147 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And another thing when it comes to time 148 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: management tips, I guess something I've shared before over on 149 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 2: our podcast is to really encourage people who are struggling 150 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: with time management to do a bit of a time audit. 151 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: So set aside a whole week where you're going to 152 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: commit to writing down exactly how you're spending your time. 153 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: And the key is you need to be really, really honest. 154 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: So if you wake up at six am and you 155 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: spend half an hour on social media, write that. If 156 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: you spend three hours a night watching Netflix, write that down. 157 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: And then at the end of the week you have 158 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: the data. You have the info in front of you, 159 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: so you can look at it and go, Okay, I 160 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: spend thirty hours a week at work, or forty hours 161 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: a week with my family, or I'm spending twelve hours 162 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: a week watching TV. It just gives you an awareness 163 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: of how you're actually spending your twenty four hours each 164 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: and every day and your whole week, and then you 165 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: can redistribute and steal and borrow from other areas of 166 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: your life that you might feel need more attention. 167 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: Amazing, and I totally remember that from your podcast. I 168 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: listened to that episode, so thank you for sharing that. 169 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: And so I want to chat to you about how 170 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: your relationship has evolved after having children. So would you 171 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: say that your relationship to diet and exercise has changed 172 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: since falling pregnant? 173 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely before, well, I guess way before having kids. In 174 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: my early twenties, I really struggled with a very severe 175 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: eating disorder, and I know that it's such a long recovery, 176 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: and I ended up falling pregnant six years kind of 177 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: after recovery, but still I had kind of, I guess, 178 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: hangover tendencies of my eating disorder. I still wasn't super well. 179 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: I was still holding onto some behaviors that weren't very 180 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: helpful for me, and I know that when I felt pregnant, 181 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: those closest to me really did wonder how I would 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: cope with all of the changes that come with falling pregnant. 183 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: But for me, it was a really positive shift. 184 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: How would you say that it was a positive shift, 185 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: like in what ways? Is did you become more accepting 186 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: of your body or you know, did you start eating 187 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: healthier or how did that sort of change. 188 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because like immediately before I fell pregnant 189 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: with the boys, I was on a following a diet 190 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: which I had always consistently been doing in my early twenties. 191 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: There was always some sort of method, some sort of 192 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: approach that I was following, and I had gone really strict. 193 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: I had cut out everything processed, I was eating only 194 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: plant based and I was feeling really good, and part 195 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: of me does wonder if the fact that I was 196 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: eating so well helped us to fall pregnant. But as 197 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: soon as I felt pregnant, it was just like a 198 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: switch had flicked because no longer could I eat the 199 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: things that I was telling myself I should eat. I 200 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: had really intense cravings. I was so incredibly sick all 201 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: day every day. It definitely wasn't just morning sickness. So 202 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: for the first time in a long time, I was 203 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: listening to what my body needed rather than giving my 204 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: body what I thought it needed. If that makes sense. 205 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Do you try and incorporate a healthy lifestyle with your 206 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: two boys now too? 207 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. It's so important for all parents to remember 208 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: that the moment you become a parent, you are a 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: role model. Whether you like it or you realize it 210 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: or not, the way that you live your life is 211 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: showing your kids well, it's teaching them what their normal is. 212 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: So it is really important to both my husband and 213 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: I that we lead a healthy, in active life just 214 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: so the kids can absorb that bi osmosis just by 215 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: being around us. 216 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: And do you have any tips or anything that you 217 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: personally do on days where you are struggling and you 218 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: know you might fall back into that you want a 219 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: diet mentality. 220 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: For me, I did a lot of work when I 221 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: was going through my eating disorder, and one of the therapies, well, 222 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: if I'm honest, probably the only therapy I felt like 223 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: really helped me was cognitive behavioral therapy or CBT, and 224 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: CBT is really really powerful because it teaches you to 225 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: understand that you're more than your thoughts. You can have 226 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: your thoughts, but you can act in a way that 227 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: aligns with your true values. So that training I guess 228 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: that I had in my early twenties has really continued 229 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: to serve me. So now I'm thirty two, my boys 230 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: will be six at the end of the year, and 231 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: I can honestly say I don't have struggles with my 232 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: body image at all in the way that I used to. Sure, 233 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: I have some days where I'm like, oh, I don't 234 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: feel amazing today, but those days are usually a week 235 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: before my period, and I track that so then I know, Okay, 236 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: no wonder you're feeling a little sluggish and you're a 237 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: little bloated and a bit puffy, it's because you're due 238 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: for your periods. So on the days that I struggle, 239 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: I guess I lean on that CBT training and remind 240 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: myself that even though I have those thoughts that I'm 241 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: not feeling great, I still take actions that can make 242 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: me feel good. And I just have that knowledge in 243 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: understanding that I'm a woman. My body is going to fluctuate. 244 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to have those days where I 245 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: feel a bit crappy, but they will pass. 246 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I absolutely love that, and I am so similar. It 247 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: was so funny, Like just the other day, I was 248 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: just mentally like not in the greatest place. I was 249 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: all bloated. I was just feeling like crap, and I 250 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: was like being really harsh on myself as well. And 251 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: then I looked at like my period tracking app and 252 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: I was like on day forty one of my cycle 253 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: and I hadn't got my monthly and don't worry, I'm 254 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: not pregnant. It's not me announcing it. But it just 255 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: made me realize I was like, oh wow, like I've 256 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: got heaps of hormones. I'm obviously very stressed because my 257 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: period is late. Like you need to give yourself a break. 258 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: So I love what you just said then about being 259 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: like using the CBT and about being aware. 260 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: In my early twenties, I never tracked my period, so 261 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: I would just think, oh, like, I'm just a really 262 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: grumpy person, but not realizing that I'm only grumpy that 263 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: week before my period. And now that I've realized that, 264 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: it's so powerful, and especially as a mum, because if 265 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: I didn't have that awareness that it was my hormones 266 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: going out of control, then I would probably think, oh, 267 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: my gosh, my kids are just wild this week. They're 268 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: being so naughty or they're being so out of control, 269 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: and really they're being exactly the same. It's just the 270 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: way that I'm responding. So that knowledge of tracking period 271 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: is so powerful. 272 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, I was the exact same. Like 273 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: I was like really angry and moody at Tim and 274 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: just like hated him, and then like I realized and 275 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I was like, sorry, Tim, Oh that's love being a woman. Okay, 276 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: So let's chat more about managing and prioritizing your social 277 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: media career along with motherhood. I like I said, I 278 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: couldn't even imagine how you do that. I know you 279 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: do have a unique way of creating balance and space 280 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: between the two. Do you want to share that little 281 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: hack with our listeners. 282 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely so. I do try to be really conscious 283 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: and aware of my social media use, not just for 284 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: my own wellness, but again because I feel like, as 285 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: a parent, you're showing your kids what is normal. So 286 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: for me, on a Friday, every Friday, I delete my 287 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: social media apps from my phone and then I don't 288 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: download those again until Monday morning. And that just means 289 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: that over the weekend, I'm not tempted to scroll on 290 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: social media or check in to see what other people 291 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: are doing. You know, it forces me to look up 292 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: and be present in my own life. I remember I 293 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: had a moment of thinking, oh my gosh, you know, 294 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: in a year and a half, this was when I 295 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: first started doing it, my two boys are going to 296 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: be at school, and they're going to grow up in 297 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: a digital world. And what's going to happen one day 298 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: when they have social media accounts and they come to 299 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: me and say, oh, Mom, I'm being bullied online or 300 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: whatever it is. And as a mom, I will turn 301 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: around and say to them, you know, don't worry about that. 302 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: You're great, blah blah blah, all that stuff. But if 303 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: I forever have my phone in my hair and my 304 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: head looking down at my phone, that I'm probably sending 305 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: them a message that the phone is really really important 306 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: and that living in the digital world is the most 307 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: important thing. And I just don't ever want them to 308 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: think that way. So removing social media from my weekends 309 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: it just means I'm super present with them, honestly. 310 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: Like, I remember when I first watched your story about 311 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: doing this, and I like, well, the first thing I 312 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: thought was like, I have that automatic log on and 313 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wouldn't even know what my 314 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: password is to like get back into my account, which 315 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: is a bit dangerous. But then I just thought the 316 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: amount of self control you must have is just like, 317 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: you're so committed, and you're obviously so committed to your boys, 318 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: and I just absolutely love that. Do you have any 319 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: other tips and tricks around creating that space and balance 320 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: between motherhood and social media. 321 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: I do. I think it's important, but parents just be 322 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: mindful of how they use social media in front of 323 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: their kids. Social media is an amazing tool, but for me, 324 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: it's a bit like junk food. You know, it's there, 325 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: it serves its purpose, but you don't need to be 326 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: consuming at twenty four seven, and I think just understanding 327 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: that if your kids see you forever talking into Instagram stories, 328 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: having a one sided conversation, they're not learning the art 329 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 2: of conversation as they would if you were having that, 330 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: you know, exchange in real life with a friend, and 331 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: there's a risk of them thinking they have to share everything. 332 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: Like I love Instagram Stories and I've used Snapchat in 333 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: the past, and I think they're amazing tools for connection. 334 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: But I don't want my boys to think that they 335 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: need to have a mobile phone in the hand and say, oh, 336 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: today we're going to the park and today I'm having 337 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: this and today I'm having that. It's just really being 338 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: clear what your values are, and my values are that 339 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: I want the boys to have a strong sense of 340 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: self and understanding and connection with themselves before they enter 341 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: a world of social media, and that starts with me 342 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 2: modeling that for them. So I just try and be 343 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: mindful with my usage around them. And you know, every 344 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: parent has a right to work that out for themselves, 345 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: and each child is different. One of my boys loves 346 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: being filmed. He is just so extra and he loves it. 347 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: And then my other little boy doesn't like it. At all. 348 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: So I have that balance as well as a sort 349 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: of straddle that one's cool with being filmed, one doesn't 350 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: like it. And it's funny, you know. I've had people 351 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: over the years say, oh, you're favoring one of your 352 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: children because you show him more, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, 353 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: that's not the case at all. I'm just respecting their boundaries. 354 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: So just being mindful is my biggest hit. And I 355 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: think it's just an ongoing conversation. You know, you assess 356 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: it now if you have a baby, and then you 357 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: assess it again when they're a toddler, and then again 358 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: when they're at school. It's a continual conversation. 359 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: I also wanted to chat to you about mum guilt, 360 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: so I I'm not a mum. Me and Tim have 361 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: you chatted about having children, but we don't think it's 362 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: going to be anytime soon. But I do see this 363 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: word mum guilt thrown around a lot. Do you ever 364 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: get mum guilt and how do you deal with that? 365 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, mum guilt is definitely a term that you hear 366 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: a lot. I have to be honest, I don't struggle 367 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: with a lot of mum guilt. But I am in 368 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: a unique situation where I have been able to work 369 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: from home and work around the kids, but I have 370 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: definitely had my moments of mum guilt and it's a 371 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: topic that I love to explore, and when I do 372 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: explore it, I think it's important that mums take a 373 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: pause and really identify what the fear is behind the 374 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: guilt and then take some action surrounding those fears. So 375 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: what I mean by that is, say you're having mum 376 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: guilt because you're returning to work, So what is the 377 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: actual fear? Is the fear that at your sun or 378 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: daughter is not going to be well cared for? Is 379 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: it the fear that your son daughter is going to 380 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: miss you or that you're going to miss them or 381 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: your You know, there's endless, endless fears, especially once you 382 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: when once you become a parent, Like the fear list 383 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: is so freakin' long. But working out what is the fear, 384 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: what's the problem, and what can you do? So say 385 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 2: that fear is will they be well cared for? Okay, 386 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: so take an action and the action might be visiting 387 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: all of the daycare centers in your area and having 388 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: a big checklist on what you want to ask for, 389 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: because at least then you're taking a positive action towards 390 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: that fear, which is going to help negate that overriding 391 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: mum guilt. I think another thing with mum guilt is 392 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: to talk to other mums. Open your mouth and say, hey, 393 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm feeling this way, and another woman will open up 394 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: and tell you her story about it. Because we all 395 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: have such unique different pain points, so having the conversation 396 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: and realizing that we're all in it together is helpful. 397 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: I've heard you speak about the idea of self sacrifice 398 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: and like needing to balance that with adequate self care 399 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: and how important it is not to tie up your 400 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: happiness solely in your children. Why do you believe in 401 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: this And do you have any advice for someone who 402 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: feels like they don't have an identity way from away 403 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: from their children. 404 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm really really passionate on speaking about the 405 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: topic of self care for mums because a lot of 406 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: us grew up in households where our moms just did everything, 407 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: and they did everything at the cost of their wellness 408 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 2: and their health and their happiness, you know, putting everyone 409 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: needs before their own, and it is a beautiful thing. 410 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: But when that happens, there's also a risk of burnout 411 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: and resentment. And so for those of us who did 412 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: grow up in households like that, where our moms did 413 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: not prioritize self care, it can be a really foreign 414 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: concept to actually do that now as an adult. It's 415 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: almost like we need someone to give us permission and say, 416 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 2: you know what, you matter too. But the fact is, 417 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: if you're not caring for yourself, it will come out 418 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: in other ways. And those other ways could be being 419 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: less patient, being less happy, you know, having a resentment, 420 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: not being able to connect with your partner, all of 421 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: these things that you really can improve if you simply 422 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: add a little bit of self care into your daily routine. 423 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: And they don't have to be big things. It can 424 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: be little. It can be popping a face mask on 425 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 2: once the kids are down at night, or getting up 426 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: before the kids wake up and listening to your favorite podcast, 427 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: or reading a chapter of a book. But little acts 428 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: of self care go a long way, because, as that 429 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: saying goes, you can't pull from an empty cup, and 430 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: when you have more in your cup, you can give 431 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: more to those around you. I'm a big fan of 432 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: as much self preservation as you can have in your 433 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: life to combat that self sacrifice that goes along with 434 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: being a parent. And for those who feel that they 435 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: may have lost their identity since becoming a mum, you 436 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: are not alone so many mums. In fact, I would 437 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: argue that pretty much every mum has a moment where 438 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: they realize that they're not who they used to be 439 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: and they're adjusting to this new life, this big responsibility 440 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: of being a parent. And you know, for myself, I 441 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: can remember having the boys and they were only twelve 442 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: weeks old and just thinking, oh, my gosh, I don't 443 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 2: know whether I'm trying to get back to old Kylie 444 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 2: or trying to invent this new version of me or 445 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle, and it's really really overwhelmed me. 446 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: But adding in those little acts of self care really 447 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: do go a long way from making you feel connected 448 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: to who you are separate from being a parent. It's 449 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 2: important that as parents we don't tie all of our 450 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: happiness up in our kids, because that's far too much 451 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: pressure on our kids. They can't be the keeper of 452 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: our happiness and our joy because they're going to fail 453 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: their humans. So just understanding that it's up to you 454 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: to look after your own happiness. 455 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. It's also like I kind of 456 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: resonated with that even they don't have children, but even 457 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: with your partner, Like sometimes I realize I put a 458 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: lot of emphasis on Tim and Tim making me happy, 459 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: which I almost have to like shift out of and 460 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: like realize that it's not his job to make me happy. 461 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: I need to make sure I'm like you know, feeling 462 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: fulfilled myself and I'm happy with myself first too. So 463 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: it is really hard because you almost do get dependent 464 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: on the people you spend most time with. 465 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: It is it's so hard, and it's so amazed that 466 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: you have that awareness, because that was a big unlock 467 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: for Matt night. Like I remember just thinking, oh, you know, 468 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: I'm frustrated that Matt's not giving me x y Z 469 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: and saates variety or whatever it is, and then having 470 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 2: this light bulb moment and going, oh, if I'm looking 471 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: to Matt to bring more variety into my life, that's 472 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: actually my responsibility. So I need to go out and 473 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: bring that into my life first. You can't rely on 474 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 2: your significant other to be the keeper of everything that 475 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: makes you happy. 476 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: Yes, And it's so funny that we're talking about this 477 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: because literally last night, like me and Tim usually spend 478 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: Friday night together, and as we're recording this, it's Friday, 479 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: and he said that he's like going to see a friend, 480 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, I know, in 481 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: my head, I like already thought that we were hanging 482 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: out as per usual, and I've had quite a stressful week, 483 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: so I really kind of was waiting on that, and 484 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: so he said it, and I instantly was like almost 485 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: like heartbroke and like I felt neglected, and then I 486 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: had to take a step back and being like I 487 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: can have the best Friday night, Like I can go 488 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: watch my favorite show, can get some vegan food because 489 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't like vegan, and like I really had to, yeah, 490 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: like take that step back and be like no, just 491 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: because we usually do something and you know that usually 492 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: makes me happy, I don't necessarily have to always do that, 493 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: And especially with him, I. 494 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: Think it's so incredible that you guys have that dynamic 495 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: in your relationship pre kids, Like the fact that you're 496 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: aware of that sort of stuff now before having children, 497 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: Like it's going to really set you guys up to 498 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: be so much more successful when you do move from 499 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: a couple to a family, because you know, there's so 500 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 2: many issues that pop up. So I think that's wonderful. 501 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. And so why we are talking about sort 502 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: of that shift from coming from a couple two children. 503 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, it's something that scares me because 504 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: even now I struggle too far and time for tim 505 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: because my schedule is so hectic, and so I definitely 506 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: have a fear around what is things going to be 507 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: like when we do have children, like even you know, 508 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: one more thing of what we have. Do you go 509 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: through something similar when you kind of had to adjust 510 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: from being a couple to parents, Like did the family 511 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: dynamic shift? Like how did you deal with that? 512 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge. I'm not gonna lie, it is a 513 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: big shift. And look, to be honest, I don't want 514 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: to scare you more, but for us it was it 515 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: was really big because we went from a couple to 516 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: a family of four, you know, so that was a 517 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: big jump. There is nothing quite like the baptism of 518 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: fire of having two newborns to really sort of flip 519 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: everything on its head. But there are changes that happen 520 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 2: when you move to a family because exactly like you said, 521 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: you have to share yourself in a completely different way. 522 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: And parenting is so consuming. It really, it's so hard 523 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: to explain the love that you have for your baby 524 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: or your babies and the way it consumes you. And 525 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: there is there's a shift, and I think that just 526 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: being aware, Okay, there is going to be a change, 527 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: and there's going to be some lifestyle changes that happen. 528 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: So having the awareness communicating like talking to your partner 529 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: and checking in regularly and just you know, seeing how 530 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: each other's going, like, babe, how are you coping? Asking 531 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: that question, you know, and it goes both ways, and 532 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: being in the trenches together, having a partner that's really 533 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: supportive and is there wanting to be amongst the nappies 534 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: and the feeding and all of that stuff and getting 535 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: up overnight with you, it can make it a really 536 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: uniting experience rather than a dividing experience. 537 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: And so do you guys, do anything in particular to 538 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: make sure you are still like beating into the cup 539 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: or relationship like do you have a permanent date night 540 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: or does someone come look after the kids? Like how 541 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: do you deal with that? 542 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm probably the worst to answer this question. 543 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Because we did not have a date night for three years, 544 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: and I am not recommending that that was just our 545 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: situation with a lack of support and a lack of help. 546 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: So if you have help, accept it, like take it 547 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: with both halds and be grateful for it. And if 548 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: you can have that weekly or monthly or however often 549 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: feels right for you date night, definitely take it. But 550 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: if you don't have the help and support, don't give up. 551 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world. It doesn't mean 552 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: you need to write off your relationship at all. You 553 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: just need to be I guess a little more proactive 554 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: because you don't have that extra set of hands. So 555 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: definitely establishing a routine for your little ones is important. 556 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: Having a bedtime is so important, not just for them, 557 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: but for you because you have an end to your day. 558 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: So it was so comforting for Matt Night to know, Okay, 559 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: come six thirty pm, the boys are both going to 560 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: be asleep and we can sit down and have a meal, 561 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: have a conversation and really connect properly. That's really really helpful. Also, 562 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: just being aware of how you speak to one another. 563 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of being aware of how you 564 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: spend the first thirty seconds when you see each other 565 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: for the day, so really going to one another, greeting 566 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: each other, asking how your day was. That sort of 567 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: stuff is important because it is really tempting when one 568 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: parent is at home with a baby all day to 569 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: just sort of unload on the other parent when he 570 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: or she gets home from work and you know, hand 571 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: them the baby and verily spew everything that's happened throughout 572 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: the day. But if you just take you know, twenty 573 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: thirty seconds to greet each other, it can really set 574 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: the tone. 575 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: And it's probably like also having that mutual sort of 576 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: respect and being aware that yeah, they may have been away, 577 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: but they might not have had the best day either. 578 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: Oh completely. So many people fall into the habit and 579 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: Matt and I certainly did this in the early days 580 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: of almost competing with one another about who had the 581 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: hardest day, and when that starts, resentment builds, and then 582 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: resentment is like the number one killer of putting out 583 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: that fire and connection that you have for your partner. 584 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: So do not enter a competition of who had it harder. 585 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: I always say, it's just best to assume that the 586 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: other person had a harder You know, if you both 587 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: go into it assuming that you had the hardest day, 588 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: you're both going to be really generous and kind. 589 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: And so I want to switch gears and finish off 590 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: the conversation chatting to you about being a sleep consultant. 591 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: So why do you place such a heavy importance on sleep, 592 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: especially in children. 593 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: Look, sleep is just one of those things that is 594 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 2: so underrated. And you know, Matt and I certainly hadn't 595 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: given it a lot of thought until it was taken 596 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: away from us. So sleep is absolutely one of the 597 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: pillars of health. You know, we need to sleep. It's 598 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: like we need water to drink and food to eat. 599 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: Quality sleep it's imperative. If your sleep is compromised, you're 600 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: going to suffer. And you know, when I first became 601 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: a sleep consultant, I spent a lot of time doing 602 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: in home consultations, So going and meeting face to face 603 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: in home with families who are struggling, and I can 604 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: tell you, Dodgy, like nine out of ten times, the 605 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: mum would burst into tears and say I've just been 606 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: diagnosed with postnatal depression. And then we would sit and 607 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: we would go through all of her symptoms. And when 608 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: I was able to show her that a lot of 609 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: her symptoms could also be sleep deprivation. It was such 610 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: a big comfort because, yes, post natal depression is absolutely 611 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: real and it needs to be diagnosed and taken seriously, 612 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: but sleep deprivation is real too, and just understanding if 613 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: you have had weeks, months, days, even years for some 614 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: families of really broken sleep, you're not going to function well. 615 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: I am like the biggest advocate for sleep because I'm 616 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: that person that if I don't get my seven to 617 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: eight hours sleep personally, I just notice how different the 618 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: day is. Like, first of all, I notice my mood. 619 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm someone who just can't function on low sleep. I 620 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: notice I'm like, I'm way more hungry than usual, I'm 621 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: way more distracted. I notice my anxiety can be triggered 622 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: so much easier. So I could not agree more And 623 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: I love that you do that. So when you do 624 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: work with someone, how does that look? 625 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: So when I first started, it was an in home, 626 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: in person service, and I did that for about a 627 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 2: year and a half, but it got to the point 628 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 2: where I was booked out months and months in advance, 629 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: and it was starting to stress me out because I 630 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: would have these families call me and say I've heard 631 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 2: about you. I really want to get in you know, 632 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm desperate, and to say to a parent who needs helpum, 633 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, I can't actually help you. For another 634 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: six to eight weeks felt awful. So I was taking 635 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: on way too many clients. It was affecting my wellness, 636 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: and it kind of got to the point where I realized, Okay, 637 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: this isn't working. I am working way too much right now, 638 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: and I'm not working to the best of my ability 639 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: because I'm overloaded, and I feel this guilt of not 640 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 2: being able to help families. So what are my options? 641 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 2: And then we realized we could create an online program, 642 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: and that was such a journey. It took her over 643 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: a year to create the first version and then we've 644 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: updated it since. But you know, the online programs, I've 645 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 2: really wanted to make sure they would be as good, 646 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: if not as good better than are in home consultations. 647 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 2: So they all have video tutorials. They have unlimited access 648 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 2: to audio files, so for families who don't have time 649 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 2: to read, they can just listen like it's a podcast. 650 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 2: We have forums for support that have you know, a 651 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 2: manager five days a week. So now it looks a 652 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 2: little bit different to how it did five years ago, 653 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 2: but I'm so proud of the Kind Parenting Company. It's 654 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 2: a really great resource, amazing. 655 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: To finish off the podcast, I'm going to go in 656 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: with a really light question. I'm personally someone who has 657 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: to have a morning routine, and I'm like in love 658 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: with mine. It did take me a while to get there, 659 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: so I really want to ask you, what is your 660 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: morning routine, like, what does it look like? 661 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: I am totally there with you with the morning routine. 662 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 2: It is so powerful and important. When the boys were 663 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 2: twelve weeks old, I started doing this thing that I 664 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: would call my hour of power, so I would wake 665 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: up before the book, get a bit of exercise in, 666 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 2: have breakfast, do a bit of social media stuff, and 667 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 2: that hour of power has continued on with me, except 668 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: now nearly six years into parenthood, it's a lot more 669 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: than an hour because I have a lot more things 670 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: I need to do. So currently my routine looks like 671 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 2: getting up at four am on the days that Matt 672 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 2: has a day shift, and getting up at four point 673 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 2: thirty or four forty five on other days, and I 674 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 2: take some time to do some mindfulness breathing, and then 675 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: I head downstairs. I make a coffee, I put my 676 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 2: Apple earbuds in, and I tune into a podcast, often 677 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: a Rise and Conquer podcast, I must say. And then 678 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: I get ready for the day. I you know, I 679 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: take some time to get dressed. I like putting on makeup, 680 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 2: I like doing my hair, and then I get stuck 681 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 2: into some work stuff, check emails, check social media, pack 682 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 2: the kids lunches. I do as much as I can 683 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: before the boys wake up, because now they're at school, 684 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: I miss them throughout the day, so I want to 685 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: spend that two hours of a morning before they head 686 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: off being able to do the mum things like go 687 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: for a walk and plain Monopoly and all that stuff. 688 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: So I just cram as much into it as I can. 689 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: I love that you do get up that early. When 690 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: I often tell people how ELA get up, I like, 691 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: I get looks like I'm crazy, So I. 692 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 2: Love that you're also. 693 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: So I want to thank you so much for coming 694 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: and sharing so much knowledge. I like I said, I 695 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: obviously don't have children, but I find this stuff so 696 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: interesting and you just have so much good stuff, So 697 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Can you let the audience know 698 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: where they can find you. 699 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It's been really fun. 700 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: The best place to probably find me is over on Instagram, 701 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 2: and that's just at Kylie. 702 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: Camps perfect Paul. Thank you so much. Kylie, have an 703 00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: amazing afternoon. 704 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 2: Thanks Georgie. 705 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening into this week's episode. If 706 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: you love to Rise and Conquer and you're craving more community, 707 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: I have got your girl friend. 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