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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of the sit Down.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matrolope, a writer for oz open dot com.

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Speaker 2: And I'm viv Christian, managing editor of Australian Tennis magazine

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Speaker 2: and Matt. Why are we sitting down this week with

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Speaker 2: Michael Chang.

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Speaker 1: We're pretty fortunate to get Michael this week because it's

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Speaker 1: a very relevant time of year for him. We're currently

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Speaker 1: watching the Cincinnati tournament and he's a two time champion

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Speaker 1: there and actually made four consecutive Cincinnati finals. He was

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Speaker 1: also a Canada champion, he made the US Open finals,

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Speaker 1: so this was kind of a time of year where

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Speaker 1: he thrived in his legendary career. He won thirty four

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Speaker 1: titles and more than half of them came on US soil.

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Speaker 1: So he was kind of the perfect person to pick

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Speaker 1: his brain about tennis at this time of year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And while we were looking forward with Michael Chang,

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Speaker 2: I was actually looking back a little bit as well,

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Speaker 2: because he was the first interview I did with an

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Speaker 2: international player at the very start of my tennis journalist

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Speaker 2: All wow, So he was as generous now as he

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Speaker 2: was with his time. Then let's have a listen to

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Speaker 2: what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Michael Chang for joining us on the sit

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Speaker 1: down today. It's great to have you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is a great time of year two chat to

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Speaker 1: you because we're now post Olympics into the swing of

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Speaker 1: the North American hard court season and it's kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, the US Open is rapidly approaching. And when

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Speaker 1: we look back at your career, your first and final

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Speaker 1: titles in nineteen eighty eight and two thousand both came

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Speaker 1: on American So one was in the first was in

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Speaker 1: San France, the second was in LA And more than

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Speaker 1: half of your career titles came in the US. So

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Speaker 1: I just wondered what helped you play or helped you

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Speaker 1: find your best tennis on home soil.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I you know, I grew up in California.

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Speaker 3: Everybody who grows up in California players are hard courts,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's a surface that I'm most familiar with.

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Speaker 3: My biggest title obviously came on clay, but majority of

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Speaker 3: my of my my victories have come on hard court.

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Speaker 3: Is something very similar to it, you know, it's interest

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Speaker 3: saying the uh, the hard courts do vary a little

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Speaker 3: bit throughout the summer summer swing, and then I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess you can even count the spring as well,

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Speaker 3: because ine Wells and Miami are are two huge, you

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Speaker 3: know tournaments that are also you know, obviously happened in

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Speaker 3: I mean I could I could almost go and and

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Speaker 3: talk to you about each hard court event and what

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Speaker 3: the tendencies are on on those services. I could tell

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Speaker 3: you what the weather's like in certain places. I will

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Speaker 3: tell you this, by far, year after year, the US

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Speaker 3: Open in New York is by far the fastest out

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Speaker 3: And you know, the solar slower services obviously would uh

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Speaker 3: but the ones that were tend to be you know yourself,

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Speaker 3: like a Sam person the you know, in the finals

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Speaker 3: you know, in ninety seven. So yeah, but I could

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Speaker 3: almost literally tell you what each of those tournaments are

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating you should say that you've kind of predicted

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Speaker 1: a little bit. My next question this particular part of

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Speaker 1: and they're the ones that are kind of happening right now.

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Speaker 1: We've also heard that this part of the season is

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Speaker 1: What does it take to thrive at this topic you

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Speaker 1: because clearly you did.

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Speaker 3: I mean Cincinnati was a was a great stop for me.

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Speaker 3: I actually got to the finals four straight years. Actually,

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Speaker 3: twice as well. But you're absolutely right. The conditions there

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Speaker 2: Michael, you are obviously famous for wing Roland Gross, but

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Speaker 2: you actually won the most matches at a major at

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Speaker 2: so many times. What was it like to play in

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Speaker 3: I mean, in New York is exciting. I think for

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Speaker 3: The New York atmosphere is very unique. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: And generally speaking, players that that go to to New York,

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, in New York

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Speaker 3: But you gotta love the atmosphere, you gotta love the excitement,

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Speaker 2: Was it your favorite Grand Slam?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if necessarily in certain aspects it was.

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Speaker 3: The French is you know, very emotional. You know, people

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Speaker 3: Wimbledon is very has their complete you know, different kind

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Speaker 2: You reach the nineteen ninety six US Open final the

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Speaker 2: that the season when you felt you were at your peak?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean pretty close to it. You know, I

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Speaker 3: So and then obviously wouldn't have played Pete in the finals.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean I was playing very well

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Speaker 1: to it was a really good chat. You said to him,

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Speaker 1: I look at my career and I'm incredibly blessed. I'm

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Speaker 1: So I was we were just wondering what the tournaments

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think our generation for American players

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Speaker 3: were certain voliers, chip and chargers. You don't see that

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Speaker 3: You know, I couldn't even tell you. I couldn't even

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Speaker 3: were a lot of great competitors, which which certainly made

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Speaker 3: because you know, have the opportunity to play against some

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Speaker 3: beor on Board by just a little bit because he

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Speaker 1: So when whilst your last year was at three two

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Speaker 1: you mentioned and what you spanned. It's it's incredible you've

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Speaker 1: you if you if there's time, and it was just

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Speaker 3: A generation is going to stop yet. Actually, actually I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's going to ever stop. I ever stopped.

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Speaker 1: Well, he said he was targeting the LA Olympics.

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Speaker 3: What he's done is just absolutely incredible. But you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're you know, we've had this this generation

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Speaker 3: They really really are. You know, I mean, how can

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Speaker 3: It's just incredible. And he's doing it at that at

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Speaker 3: is thirty seven years old. It's just phenomenal. So h

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Speaker 3: good hands right now. Well, viv fascinating to hear.

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Speaker 1: Michael finished the interview talking about how mind boggling Novak's

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Speaker 1: achievements are because I found it really interesting earlier in

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Speaker 1: the interview how he talked about he played so many

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Speaker 1: You can just hear that he would have loved to

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Speaker 1: have played Novak, given how much respect he has for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very interesting to me too. I love

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Speaker 2: hearing about when the generations do overlap in tennis. And

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Speaker 2: didn't he compete in an incredible era and constructor a

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Speaker 2: wonderful career in that time. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. And we'll be back next.

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Speaker 2: Monday when we sit down with Simon Ray, who is

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Speaker 2: the former coach of Nick Kurios and Sam Stozer and

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Speaker 2: now a data analyst at Tennis Australia. And in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: you can listen to John and the team on this

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Speaker 2: Thursday on the Aoshow Weekly.

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