1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kay and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: and issues facing women. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: That is so fatch. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: Thank You. 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: On today's show, we are joined by identical twins Claire 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: and Jesse Stevens. You may know the sisters from their 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: smart and funny takes on reality TV or their roles 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: as executive editors at Mamma Mia. 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: Together they have. 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: Their own podcast called Canceled, which top the charts on release. 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Jesse is also the author of best selling book Heart 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: Sick and co host of Mumma mea Out Loud and 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: true crime Conversations. We're so thrilled to have Claire and 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Jesse on our podcast. Let's get into the chat officially, 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: welcome to the show. 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you both on. 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: Thank you. Having asked both this is Jesse's voice, that's 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: Claire's voice. But I think your listeners are probably really 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: good at deciphering very minor changes in someone's voice, so 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: I think that they'll they'll get on to it quickly. 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, because we've been having a bit of 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: a laugh with you guys off Mike about how this 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: is going to be a complete headfuck for people listening 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: because people say we sound the same, people think you 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: guys sound the same. 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit unfair. I can tell 31 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: you guys apart. 32 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: I think too, and like I reckon, if you listen 33 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: very closely, like I reckon, Hamish Nandy sound the same, 34 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: but you just kind of get the roles that people 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: play and the tone of their voice, and you know, 36 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: try and use Claire and I have been told in 37 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: in our podcast Cancel to try and use names all 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: the times. 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: We'll be like, what do you think, Claire? And I 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: think this. 41 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: Jesse and apparently, I don't know, We've got to do 42 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 3: more of that. That's our feedback the same. 43 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: I think you guys look different as well. I don't 44 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: know if it's because I first saw Jesse in Mma 45 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: Me Out Loud and then I've seen you next, Claire, 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: because I feel like if you meet one person first, 47 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: you kind of get to know them. 48 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Individually, and then you're like, oh, they do. 49 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: Look different, Yeah, I think so. I also have a 50 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: theory that twins and triplets are really good at noticing 51 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: differences because they've had to notice them their whole lives. 52 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: So I have you know a bunch of friends who 53 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: identical twins. Are you know the twins that are in 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: Justice or were in Justice crew John lenn and now 55 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: one of them is to wiggle anyway. They're kind of 56 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: friends of ours, And as soon as I saw them, 57 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: I was like, you guys aren't even alike. 58 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 4: I can tell you. 59 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: Apart from a mile away. And it's because we since 60 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: we were born, we've had to say to people, I'm 61 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: this many centimeters taller, and clear's the one with the 62 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: shorter hair, and like you've got to always point that out, 63 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: which is annoying but helpful. 64 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like the same with you guys, 65 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: but I feel like it's always something that's not like 66 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: an unflattering thing that people point out like. 67 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: It's no offense. 68 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: So, but for some reason, Sophie used to have a 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: birthmark on her face, and it's always like, oh, which 70 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: one's got the birthmark and really focus on and it 71 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: gives you like this complex about it. 72 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, I remember somebody somebody telling me like, oh, 73 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: you've got the bigger note. 74 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 4: Oh I don't you know what. 75 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: It's fine, you can think that, you don't have to 76 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: say it. And they say to me, it's the new one. 77 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: It's not new, it's kind of in our whole lives. 78 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: But maybe I'm just feeling sensitive, like post COVID. But 79 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, Jesse, you're just bigger, Like you're just 80 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: the bigger one. And I'm like, I'm taller, I'm way 81 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: more like that. Must we call a woman bigger? Like 82 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: the kindest thing you could say? 83 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know what that one. 84 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've definitely copped that. And it's like, I remember 85 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: we were in a newspaper article because it seems like 86 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: if you're a multiple birth you always seems to be 87 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: in the news. 88 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: For some random reason. 89 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: And I remember there was this comment where this dickhead 90 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: guy was discussing who he thought was the best looking one. 91 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: No, no, he was voting who was more fuckable. 92 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: Oh. Sorry, well I was just trying to keep it 93 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: PG and I was like, really, case bringing this up 94 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: because she was the most voted the most by this guy. 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to say anything, but no, 96 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't going to say that, Sophie. 97 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, right, thanks that humble brag. Yes, it's it's so. 98 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: Lovely that some deranged man on the internet finds you 99 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: the most desirable. 100 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: It's so true. We get that. 101 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: Like even at school, you know, Clara and I were 102 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: very competitive and it was always whoever got, you know, 103 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: the less of the worst mark by one. 104 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: It was like, oh and we found the dumb twins 105 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 4: and I was like, I still got nine. G you 106 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 4: are dumb. 107 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: I've got with your I mean we call them terse scores. 108 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if they ate us. 109 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the word in Sydney, but 110 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: basically your year twelve results. We actually all got in 111 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: one percent of each other. How cool are you guys? 112 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to bring up who was 113 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: the dumber one? 114 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: Or you're both smart? Yeah, you're both very intelligent. 115 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: No, we got within zero point zero. 116 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: One, No, Jesse zero point two? 117 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: Zero point two? Is that you got zero point five. 118 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: It's funny that you would bring that up there, because 119 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask who got you? 120 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: Remember? 121 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Do you know what though I feel like it's not 122 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: just multiples because my boyfriend, when we first met and 123 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: we were just friends at this stage, he told me 124 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: that he beat my tur score and I found out 125 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: that it was in fact not true, and he was 126 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: like zero point four to five below me, And I'm like, what, 127 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: why would you. 128 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: Lie about something like that. 129 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: It's not only since you've been engaged that you found 130 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: out that you actually got more than he is. 131 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of respect for him in the process. 132 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: Oh, that changes the whole dynamic. Yeah, I has a 133 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: different relationship now, exactly. 134 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 2: I've got to ask you guys talking about relationships, Jesse, 135 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: you're obviously going out with Luca, who is me as son. 136 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're so sick. 137 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: Of people reminding you this, but we find it so 138 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: fascinating because it must like how did it all start? 139 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: If you're comfortable telling us, because I feel like we 140 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: know you now, we just want the gossip and what 141 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: is it like working with your future mother in law? 142 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: Look, it's funny because when I first started, like i'd 143 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 3: been there for two years, I think when Lucas started, 144 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: and to me, it took a while for us. We 145 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: were friends first, and then when I sort of started going, Oh, 146 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: I think I might like this person, and had a 147 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: sense that it might be reciprocated. My concern wasn't that 148 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: he was the boss's son. It was that he was 149 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: younger than me. Like that was the thing that to 150 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: me was the big deal, which is so weird looking back, 151 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: because I'm like, that was an enormous. 152 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 4: Risk that I was very blind to. 153 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: And then when we did start seeing each other, it 154 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: did cause issues. I think that people all of a 155 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: sudden retroactively things that I'd been doing before, Like Mama 156 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: Mia out it was like, Oh, she's only on that 157 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: podcast because she's dating the boss's son, And I was like, 158 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: but I did that before I even met him. Like 159 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: it became as though everything that I was doing was 160 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: because of this nepotism, which really upset me because I 161 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: had had nothing to do with media before, and even 162 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: getting a job in media had been so difficult and 163 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: had taken such a long time, so that was really upsetting. 164 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: But I think I had this idea at the time, 165 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: and Claire said it to me, you know, just put 166 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: your head down and let the work speak for itself, 167 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: and if you prove yourself then and you just work really. 168 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: Hard and you do what you love. 169 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: Then you can sleep at night knowing that that's not 170 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: the reason why you get certain opportunities or whatever, which 171 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: I think was very true. And since I mean, it's 172 00:07:54,920 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: really funny because even this weekend, like Luke's brother is 173 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: having his ba mitzvah, and so. 174 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: I'll be with Mia all weekend. 175 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: And hanging out and like I'm saying a reading at 176 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: the synagogue, and it's like this real family affair and 177 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: in that context doesn't feel like my boss. But then 178 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: we're in a meeting yesterday and she is. So it's 179 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: an interesting adjustment because I obviously feel probably more comfortable 180 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: pushing back on her than someone who doesn't see her 181 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: nearly every day and text her all the time about 182 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: you know, a dog or a funny thing we saw 183 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: on the internet. So it is a bit of a 184 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: funny relationship. But we've always been really open about it. 185 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: And she said, you know, the friendship and family, that's 186 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: what comes first, and you know, work disagreements or whatever 187 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: will come and go, and that's fine. I think we 188 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: just respect each other. So yeah, it's been an interesting 189 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: time though. 190 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: I finely love hearing you guys on MoMA men with 191 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: your little banter like back and forth. And I've got 192 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: to say, I feel like Sophie is kind of in 193 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: a similar situation to you, because so this is. 194 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: Kate by the way, I feel like I introduced herself. 195 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: So I used to work so Sophie's boyfriend, Brandon, he's 196 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: five years younger than SOPHI and he was actually my 197 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: intern when I was working as a comms manager a 198 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: netball team. 199 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeah wow wow. 200 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: So it was so funny because we were quite good friends, 201 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: me and Brandon, and he's like, I think your sister's hot, 202 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: And I was like, how do I take this, because 203 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: you know, we kind of look the same, and I thought, 204 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: oh nah, there's nothing there anyway, So Brandon joined our 205 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: mixed netball team, and then suddenly I just noticed that 206 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: Sophie was interested, and it was a bit like you, Jesse. 207 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: She was like, oh, you know, I'm not interesting, he's 208 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: too young, blah blah blah, and then there was this 209 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: connection there. 210 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. 211 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: I think there is such an unfair view on relationships 212 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: between men and women where the woman is older, Like 213 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: I think I heard you recently speak about on a 214 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: podcast and it's just this awful stereotype that you're some 215 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: sort of cougar or you know, you're the dominant person 216 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: in the relationship, when it's just not true. 217 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I had internalized that so much, and to 218 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 3: think that I nearly is so hard to find your 219 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: person and find someone that you love and that respects 220 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: you and you have the same values, and so had 221 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: to find that person. 222 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 4: And to think I nearly didn't. 223 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: Even give it a go because I worried that people 224 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: would look at an age gap is so ridiculous. 225 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 4: And there are so many. 226 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: Men or women or whatever who who kind of think 227 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: about what it might look like from the outside, and 228 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 3: you just think all that matters is what the two 229 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 3: of you are like on your lounge at seven pm 230 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, and no one else is in the room, 231 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: and you know if it's right, you know, if there's 232 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: a maturity issue or if you're at different life stages. 233 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: You don't need the rest of the world to kind 234 00:10:59,080 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: of weigh in. 235 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. I've got to ask you, Claire. 236 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: I feel like for Amy, Sophie and I when we 237 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: all started dating boys, this was when our relationships with 238 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: each other started to change and we. 239 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Started I don't know, I feel like we started to. 240 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: Get really angry and annoyed with each other because it 241 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: was almost like our best friend being taken away. I 242 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: was wondering if you guys experienced that when you started dating. 243 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. When we were sort of. 244 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: Like probably sixteen, Jesse seemed to she had a few 245 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: kind of boyfriends in a row and I didn't, and 246 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: so I felt really out of the loop and just 247 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: like left out and was always but I was always 248 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: kind of third wheeling like it would be them and 249 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: then just always me just in the background. And then weirdly, 250 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: that's how I met my current partner, was that Jesse 251 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: was going out with a guy and he was like, 252 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: you've got to meet my best friend Black. You guys 253 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: are exactly the same, And then met him, and eleven 254 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: years later we're still together. 255 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: So work. 256 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: So being the third wheel worked, So it wasn't It 257 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: wasn't all bad, but there was a lot of tension 258 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: for us, probably in our early twenties, when Jesse just 259 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 3: had this rampage of dating the worst people. 260 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: And it was just horrible. 261 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: And I think the wedge for us was that I 262 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: was like I don't understand, like, like we've been on 263 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: the same page with everything, and the decisions that we 264 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: make are really similar, although we've always kind of had 265 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: different tastes in guys. 266 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: Which probably helped. 267 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: But I was like, I like, you're with this person 268 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: and I don't understand because he is awful, and and 269 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 3: like I don't get the appeal. I don't get why 270 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: you would do that. And that's why when Jesse sort 271 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: of first mentioned that she liked Luca, I was like, no, 272 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: they got blown up so many things by like your 273 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: terrible choices. You are not allowed And it took me 274 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: a while to come around, but but yeah, I feel 275 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: like it drives a bit of a wedge when it's 276 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: you're having experiences that you can't relate with like that. 277 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: Jesse was like, I don't get what it's like to 278 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: be in a long term relationship, and I was like, 279 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: I don't get what it's like today a guy who's 280 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: clearly currently on drugs, Like I don't, Oh. 281 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: My gosh, that doesn't seem fun. Do you know what's hilarious? 282 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: Because before we spoke to you, guys, we were trying 283 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: to work out this might sound I know, you guys 284 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: will get it, but we're trying to work out who's 285 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: who in terms of like, is. 286 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: Jesse more like me Amy, or is Jesse more like Kate? 287 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: Or is Claire like so? And I thought, Jesse, this 288 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: is Amy. I thought Jesse you were me, But now 289 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: I've heard it, Jesse, you were Kate, terrible taste, absolute dickhead. 290 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: And soph and I were Claire in this situation, telling 291 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: Kate what are you thinking? And the worst thing is, 292 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: because you're so close, you don't sugarcoat it. You're like, 293 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: what on earth are you doing? This is rediculously an asshole? Yeah, yeah, 294 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: you Jesse. 295 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 3: And it's like, Okay, I'm clearly having a self esteem crisis. 296 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: I'm very lonely. 297 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: And it's easy for you in your like long term 298 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: happy relate, you know how people in long term relationships. 299 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: It's like, don't you. 300 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: Ever give me advice because you don't know what it's 301 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: like out there, Like this is the best I can 302 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: do right now. And Claire was just like, oh my god, 303 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: I have no idea what's going on. But I think 304 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: it was hard as well because I felt like I 305 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: was losing my twin because she's growing up in this direction. 306 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: With Rory, her partner, and they went off and lived 307 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: in Boston for a year, and I think I probably 308 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: felt very left behind, like I thought we were a 309 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: duo and now it's you and Rory, and I kind 310 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: of feel like a blow in. But it's been actually 311 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: a really good dynamic now with Luca. I think like 312 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: the four of us are very close and it works, 313 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: which probably should have been the test all along. 314 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you guys. 315 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: I can just imagine all the double dates because like 316 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: our boyfriends get dragged along to do everything with the 317 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: three of us, so it's always like six of us, 318 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: like putting up the Christmas tree all together, and the 319 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: boys are just sitting on the couch like board shitless 320 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: and we're all like yeah. 321 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: And they can also like a bitch about us too, 322 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: like we have such irritating qualities. It's like they can 323 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: really bond over that, like well where you know, doing 324 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: our makeup or something before we go out. They can 325 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: sit there and just kind of list off the things 326 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: that are annoying about us, and we don't get offended 327 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: because it's like, no, it's fine, you know us well enough. 328 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Jesse, I once heard you say on an 329 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: episode of Mama Mia that you and Claire won't stop 330 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: your conversation if someone needs to go to the bathroom 331 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: or have a shower. Are there any other things that 332 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: you guys do that might raise some eyebrows to non 333 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: multiple birth children and people. 334 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: I think the one that we were talking about recently 335 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: was we will be having a fight, Like I'm pretty 336 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: sure we've had a fight today Claire, Like we were 337 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: getting annoyed at each other and just yeah, you're not. 338 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 4: Doing enough of this or whatever. 339 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: Friends. 340 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: Then actually it was something that happened on Instagram and 341 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: I was like, well, this is the most important thing 342 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: I've ever seen, and so I have to take a 343 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: screenshot and send it to Claire and be like, Okay, 344 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: pause the fight. Leave that. 345 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: I feel like, I feel like I know what the 346 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: screenshot is as well, but. 347 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: That I was just on that and I was like, 348 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: everything needs to stop. I was like, I really pulled 349 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: over my car. I was like, I just need to 350 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: do this. The way Jesse was talking about it was 351 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: like this is breaking news, this is incredibly important. Everything 352 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: can weigh like this post has just gone up and 353 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: I need to check if the other person has replied 354 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my gosh, I know, but 355 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: we haven't. 356 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 4: Got that about fight. Yeah, yeah, I don't think. 357 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll pick it up next time irritate 358 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: each other. But it's like we have a real sense 359 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: of what's important. 360 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I'm so. 361 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: Glad to hear this because our boyfriends don't get it, 362 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: because we will be having raging arguments. You'll be and 363 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: for some reason we always try and call mum to 364 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: be referee, even though we're thirty ten. 365 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mom's just like, can you just deal with it? 366 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: You guys are like adults. 367 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: But then something will happen aka a screenshot photo, and 368 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: everything will stop, everything will drop, and then the boys 369 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: are just like what is going on? 370 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: But you know what's worse because there's three of us, 371 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: Because you guys wouldn't have to go through this. 372 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: We gang up, so you'll think, you know, like, sofas 373 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: on my side and then she goes on Kate's side, 374 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: and it's just this mental work. It's awful that you 375 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: guys have to get along, don't you at the end 376 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: of the day, because it's just the two of you. 377 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: There's no one else. 378 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: Like it's so true, and I find that, Like Claire 379 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: will say something and I'll be like, to luke her ole, say, 380 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: Claire just called me this, and then we kind of 381 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 3: move over from the fight. 382 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: And what Claire said was very hurtful, and I'm like, not. 383 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Not, that is so true. You've got to be kind 384 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: of careful what you say because I'll be like, god. 385 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 2: Kate was a fucking bitch, and then I'm like, oh shit, 386 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: oh sorry, I'd probably bleep that out, but I was like, 387 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: oh godh see, this is thing like Dale was going 388 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: to think she's an awful person. We've learned that with 389 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: another partner, Sophie. One of Sophie's exes, I think she 390 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: used to bitch about Amy and I all the time, 391 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: and we realized, nah, you don't carry it on with 392 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: the partner because then they end up hating the siblings 393 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: and it's like, well, we'll have dropped it and they 394 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: don't get that you don't actually hate your sister. 395 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: You're just debriefing. 396 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 397 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 3: Every now and then, like my partner will like be 398 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: almost quite serious about something to do with Jesse, and 399 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, what's your problem with Jesse? 400 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: And he's like, no, just stuff that you said. 401 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I love this. 402 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: So it's so good to hear other people saying this, 403 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: because I feel like when you're a multiple people just don't. 404 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Get it at all. What about what about at work? 405 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Like what is it? 406 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: Because Sof and I we run a business together, so 407 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: we understand, but what is it like for you guys? 408 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: Do you see a lot of each other through the 409 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: day or how does it work? 410 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: Not so much now, but we did. 411 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: We used to when we lived together, and kind of 412 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 3: that was probably the first three or so years at Maya. 413 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: We would get up kind of get ready, usually go 414 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: in with Claire's boyfriend, because the three of us live together, 415 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: so we'd go in together, get a coffee together, go upstairs, 416 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: usually sit kind of near each other. 417 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: Go and get lunch together. Like it was just so close. 418 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: And we actually we were arguing a lot at that time, 419 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: because it was like you'd argue about the streetener and 420 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: then it would become. 421 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 4: About a story and then the issue. 422 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: Because Claire recently was the editor in chief and I 423 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: was the assistant head of content, I think so in 424 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: terms of the running of an editorial team, Claire was 425 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: above me and could say, like Jesse I want you 426 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: to do this, and that would cause issues and then we. 427 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: You know, fight out of work hours about it or whatever. 428 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: But it's an enormous amount of time together. Whereas now 429 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: because our hours have sort of changed and we're in 430 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: and out of the office, it's exciting with the podcast 431 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: because we're like, oh, for that hour, we're really excited 432 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: to be in a studio together, like making each other laugh. 433 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: That's what we love doing. And it's kind of more 434 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: more special now because we're not spending every waking hour together. 435 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: I think that's really that's so good to hear. Do 436 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: you guys fight though in the podcast studio or is. 437 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: It because people are around you're like, oh, oh, no, 438 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: I really had a fight. 439 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a fight a few weeks ago. 440 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: I think like maybe I wasn't in the right mood 441 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: and we got out and Jesse just like yelled at 442 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: me and was like, you just weren't in the mood. 443 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: You just have to fake it. 444 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, you said something mean at 445 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 3: the beginning, and then I wasn't in the mood, and 446 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 3: then you weren't across we had to record something at 447 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: the beginning, and you went across it and I got 448 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: really snappy at you, and then you were like, don't 449 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: be rude, and this is all on Mike, like you're 450 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: supporting it, and I'm like, there is definitely a bloop 451 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 3: is reel of just like Clara and I petty fighting 452 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: for three hours that we should just release one day. 453 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: I have anxiety every time we release a podcast that 454 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: somehow we've accidentally left a raging argument in it, like 455 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: I'll have to get up and like listen through. I'm like, 456 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, Like one day it's going to be 457 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: left in accidentally and everyone's going to hate us. 458 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, and hear what we're really like, Jesse, didn't 459 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: that happen to out Loud ones, Yeah, uploaded the raw 460 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: file and not the editor go oh my god, and 461 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: do you know what it's like like sometimes when you're 462 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: choosing a topic or you're talking about something particularly sensitive 463 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 3: and you go, oh, that's not the right word, and 464 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: you go back and fix it. We're so careful, and 465 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 3: so it came out luckily it was it was okay, 466 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: but we were like there are days where if you 467 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: got the raw audio, it would not be good. Yeah, 468 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 3: you'd be winging about yeah yeah, or you might. 469 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: Say, like, you know, if you're talking about something, obviously 470 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: the way that you might describe it to someone else 471 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: might not be the way that you sort of talk 472 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: it through on a podcast, like do you Yeah, you'd 473 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's this, And I think people don't 474 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: get how podcasts work, that there's so much editing involved 475 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: that people would find it really funny you're going from 476 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: just chatting to then like professional voices like I just 477 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: think that would be exactly yeah. 478 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: And when it's just you in a studio with the 479 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: two other people or whatever, like you know the context, 480 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 3: you know the stories of the people in there. When 481 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: you get onto a microphone, you have to consider the 482 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 3: stories and the context of every single person listening. So 483 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: an offhanded remark or a word could be incredibly offensive 484 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 3: to a listener, and you've got to be thinking in 485 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: the listener's shoes the whole time, in a way you 486 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: don't across a dinner table, and so we have to 487 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: wear really where we've gotten a lot better at calling 488 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: each sh other out in a really polite way, just 489 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 3: like oh, maybe don't say it that way, or that 490 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: sounded like you were a little bit flippant of blah, 491 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: and we know that. 492 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: It's in the best interests of us. 493 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: And also we never ever would want someone to listen 494 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 3: to a podcast we make and feel worse about themselves, 495 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: like you've got to be so careful and. 496 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 2: Honestly, Like I mean, we've all read people's podcast reviews. 497 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: People can get angry over anything, so you always always 498 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: just have to think, oh, gosh, is this going to 499 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: be a fence with. 500 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: A grain of salt? 501 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 2: I mean I say that despite the fact that I 502 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: read all of the bloody comments and so literally, like 503 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: You'll be eleven o'clock at night, I'm in bed, just 504 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: trying to like settle down for the night, and i 505 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: get this screenshot from Sophie and I'm like, oh god, 506 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: what is this? And She'll be like lovely review and 507 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, is this sarcastic or genuway, it's just some 508 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 2: like horrible like abusing us. 509 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, fantastic. I just can really fall asleep now. 510 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. That's what our mum did to us recently. 511 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 3: She was like, oh, people are very nasty on the 512 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 3: cancel Why are you reading them? And she just kept 513 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: sending screenshops and I was like, Mom, I made a 514 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: choice not to read them, and she was like, this 515 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: one's very mean, and I was like stop. 516 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: And then she's like, how do you respond to these? 517 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 4: And I'm like, you can't. That's like you just let 518 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 4: them lie. 519 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: Always makes up an excuse as to who it must be. 520 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: She's like, oh, that must be worth. 521 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: The influences that you spoke about were like, Mum, age, 522 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: I think it's just somebody that doesn't like the podcast. 523 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: Well I heard that. 524 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: Your mum got quite outraged because wasn't it recently, like 525 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: you guys thought your whole life that you were fraternal twins? 526 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 2: And she was getting quite defensive over that in the 527 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: in the Mum and mea group, wasn't she But then 528 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: you guys found out you're identical. 529 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: You were identical and Mom was like, I, firstly, I 530 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: don't care. 531 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 4: I think this is all very narcissistic. 532 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: But she was like, she just gets into that group 533 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 3: sometimes and again because she's a different generation and there 534 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: are different opinions and a different way of feminism, and 535 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: she jumps in sometimes and I'm like. 536 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: Oh, no, what his mum said today? She just start 537 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 4: ship last name? 538 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: Can you at least make up a different Yeah? I 539 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: actually I changed her name on Instagram. I logged into 540 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: her Instagram and changed it because she kept messaging people 541 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: kid ship and I was like, I can't have people 542 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: know who you are. 543 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: We are so lucky that sorry so cute. 544 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: We are so lucky that our dad has no interest 545 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: in our podcast or even knows its name, because. 546 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: Otherwise he listens. 547 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: There's a radio station called five double A in Adelaide, 548 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 2: and it's all the boomers listen to it, and he 549 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: is constantly writing in like negative reviews and abusing all 550 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: the people. And we're like, Dad, we work in media. 551 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: Our last name's Tall, but that's really not. 552 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: Very you know, no unique, very unique. 553 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: And he's like, okay, I've started another fake account and 554 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's like it's called Concerned Radio Listener. 555 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: Like we think, Dad, they'll know it's you. 556 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: I feel it's like, now you're kind of officially a troll, like. 557 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 4: Just to be naked. 558 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: I told him, I'm like, you should get on Twitter 559 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: if you want to get into troll. 560 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 4: No. 561 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: Wrong, No, I feel like we should probably move on 562 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: to Christmas Questions because this is meant to be a 563 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: Christmas podcast. But we've thoroughly enjoyed talking all things twins 564 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 2: and triplets instead. But we noticed a while but this 565 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: is really random. I think it was you, Jesse, that 566 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: you were revealing, like when you're younger, the telltale signs 567 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: of someone else being wealthy. That was clear, was a 568 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 2: clear sorry, clear, don't mix them up. 569 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Come on, So I've. 570 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: Actually both done it, done it. I did it years ago, 571 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 3: and then Claire recist. 572 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 4: One on TikTok. 573 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: Yes, I very much enjoyed that. 574 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's what it might be that you know, 575 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: you've got bottles of water in the fridge, et cetera. 576 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: Do you guys have any telltale signs of someone being 577 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: rich at Christmas time? Like if you're a rich family, 578 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: what would you do at Christmas? 579 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 1: Or what would they do? 580 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: It is so good that I remember Jess and I 581 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 3: having like a breakdown maybe when we were about eighteen, 582 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: because throughout like school, you're sort of in the same 583 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: broadly in the same social classes like everyone around you. 584 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: But then towards the end of high school you kind 585 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 3: of meet different people and people going. 586 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 4: To different schools and all that. 587 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: And I remember it was probably the Christmas when we 588 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: were turning eighteen and all these people we knew posted 589 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: photos of their presence and I couldn't get over it 590 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: because I was like, why are there seventeen? I don't 591 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,719 Speaker 3: I don't understand people who get more than one present. 592 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 4: Yes, they have all these boxes. 593 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 3: Around them that are a all wrapped the same with 594 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: bows and like they're in b they're. 595 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 4: In like actual boxes, And I'm like, who give wrapped that? 596 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 3: Like we get basically a you know, pair of pajamas 597 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: wrapped terribly maybe in like wrapping paper, but more recently 598 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: because of environmental reasons, it's like a tea towel. Yes, 599 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: you just get given you one thing. I'm like, since 600 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 3: when do people get multiple presents? And then it's like, 601 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 3: oh my god, I got earrings and. 602 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: You know, I kind of. 603 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: Much. 604 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll spend on Christmas? 605 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: I reckon. It's the multiple presence that's wild. And then 606 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: also people who are able to like really deck out 607 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: their entire house. I saw an influencer the other day 608 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: like filming like the whole inside of their house, and 609 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 3: I was like, every wall in your house has something 610 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 3: Christmasy and that's just so excessive for like you can 611 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: only do it for a month. 612 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 4: If that I'm like that is just so Claire. Remember 613 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 4: when we were kids too, and we'd go around and 614 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 4: drive around and look at the Christmas. 615 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: Lights, and we'd go to all the rich suburbs, which 616 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: in retrospect were not rich suburbs, but look at that 617 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: house and they had like so many lights, and we 618 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: were like, imagine being that rich. 619 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: I've just realized that our family was a rich family. 620 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 2: I'm just we're not a rich family, but we did. 621 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: Our family just loves Christmas, so that's like the one 622 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: time of year where our parents would like deck out 623 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: the house with so many decorations. In life, look, I 624 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: promise we were taking in like chocolate bars from Woolies 625 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: to the movies though as well, like we were, we 626 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: weren't rich. We didn't have a fridge that makes ice. 627 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: But I know exactly what you mean about the when 628 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: people wrap their presents in a box. 629 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: I saw, yeah, that we did definitely didn't have that. 630 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: I saw what was it suff from Barker was doing that, 631 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: and it was all like, oh, here's this like Louis 632 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 2: Vuton handbag I've gotten my mum for Christmas, as well 633 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: as fifteen other design of things. It's like, oh my god, 634 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: you've got too much money, then sense like this is ridiculous. 635 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly like people who get really really fancy presents, 636 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 3: Like there's no way. In our family we were going 637 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: above about a hundred bars, and normally it was just 638 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: something Mum would just get us, something to annoy us, 639 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: like that would upset us, and then I just sun 640 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: called it. 641 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: Was not a thing. 642 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: Sorry. That just reminds me our mum. 643 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: One Christmas, I think we were twenty one twenty two, 644 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 2: and she kept pumping up this present like, oh, you 645 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: guys are gonna love this, and I feel bad because 646 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: I know she'd be listening to this right now. But 647 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: we did not love it because she'd got our degrees. 648 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: Framed, like oh my god. 649 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: And she was so excited because she was a mature 650 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: age student and went back to union, she would have 651 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: loved to have hers framed. And yeah, it was sort 652 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: of she missed the mark a little bit. Oh but 653 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: it's a very thoughtful. But I don't know when you 654 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: won year old you kind of like that sounds so ungrateful. 655 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: But it just cracks me up that you said your 656 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: mum would get your things you wouldn't want. I've got 657 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 2: to say, do you in terms of presents, would your 658 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: mom often buy you the same thing and then tell 659 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: you you had to open it at exactly the same. 660 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 4: Time, Yes, but like different colors. 661 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is quite lazy, and I think that's 662 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: why I just became vocally critical of any gift that 663 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 3: she brought us from about even last year. 664 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 4: I think she got us. 665 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, she still gets us all the same presents, and 666 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: she also knows that if she didn't. I think she 667 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 3: learnt quite early on with twins, if you don't get 668 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: them the same thing, they're just get a bitch like 669 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: the rest of the day about they got more, that 670 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: cost more, I wanted the red one or whatever. So 671 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: she gets us like exactly the same thing, and same 672 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: with Jack and Nick always has Yeah. 673 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because people might not know you've got two sets 674 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: of twins in the family, which is pretty crazy. 675 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, within we're two and a half years difference, 676 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: So mum had four under two and a half and 677 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 3: so yes, there's a kind of interesting dynamic there because 678 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: it's like two girls, two boys. And yes, it was 679 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: very kind of similar in terms of trolling. 680 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 4: Us all with gifts. 681 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: And then I think what she does now is actually 682 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: by all four of us exactly the same thing. 683 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. 684 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: Well, didn't she do pretty well? I think last year 685 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: she got us all air pods and I was like, oh, 686 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: it's the best gift I've ever had. No, that was 687 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: only because it was combined thirtieth and oh okay, all right, yeah, 688 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: and then but then she got off for the boys, 689 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: which seemed unfair because I'm like, they did n thirty. 690 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to bring that up. 691 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: I think I get extra this start on the on 692 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: the topic of presents. 693 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: I kind of want to I'm kind of interested to. 694 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: Hear what you guys do now that you're older, in 695 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: terms of, like, say you're getting your mom a present, 696 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: do you guys put your money in together and buy 697 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: something for her, or do you and your partners buy 698 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: separate gifts that you give to your mom. 699 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a contentious topic for us. 700 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: Going together completely getting together every time, only one person 701 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: has to like deal with the mental load of the gift. 702 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: And in fact, we normally go in with all four 703 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: of us, and so we'll say to our brothers, Hey, 704 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: I'm getting mom this getting dad and Apple watch, transfer 705 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: me bla money now, And so we normally do that 706 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 3: for like birthday, Christmas, Mother's Day slash Father's Day, and 707 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 3: then it means yeah, the relations the load is shared 708 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: throughout the year, so it's like you did Mom's birthday, 709 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 3: so older mom for Christmas and it means like I 710 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: feel like we then get them better stuff like getting 711 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: that Apple Watch, Like that changed his life. He's just 712 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: so excited about his Apple Watch. We s could only 713 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 3: get that because the four of us want in. 714 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: We all know it's changed Jesse's life because I always 715 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: hear about your and your rings on mom and mea 716 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: out loud and I'm the same. I must have them 717 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: all closed, and I always show it like Rece my partner. 718 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, see they're all closed. No one cares about 719 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: your Apple Watch. 720 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 4: But it's so fun. It is so fun. 721 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: We were talking the other. 722 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: Day about all the responsibilities on women at Christmas time, 723 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: and I think we were having a little bit of 724 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: event because when was it On Monday? We were just 725 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: sitting on our computers on the phone to each other 726 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: ordering everybody last minute Christmas gifts in the sales, and 727 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: we were like, oh, so what would Sophie's boyfriend like 728 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: to give? Kate for Christmas and we're like, I love 729 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: that we're having to buy the you know, we choose 730 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: the presents for them. Do you guys find the same 731 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: that sort of as women, we get lumped with sort 732 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: of all the ship jobs at Christmas. 733 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, broadly, yes, I reckon like we end up 734 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: doing presents. 735 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 4: That we just get our brothers, Like our brothers do nothing. 736 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 4: They're just terrible. 737 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: I remember last year they bought presents for the first time, 738 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: but it was candles, and they got me, Jesse and 739 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 3: Mum a candle and then they all had stickers that 740 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: said that like you got them really cheap for three. 741 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 4: Fifteen back three or something. 742 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I'm like, mate, take a sticker off, Like, 743 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 3: but I do think as well. 744 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 4: It's some of. 745 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 3: The the stuff I find harder is the social element 746 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: of it that I feel like, as women, you feel 747 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 3: the obligation of like making sure that you see everyone 748 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: and making sure you speak to everyone, and that like 749 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: you see all the different parts of the family and 750 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: that everybody is getting there okay and everybody has a 751 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 3: good time and all of that that I feel like 752 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: men just show up on Christmas Day and have lunch 753 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: and they're happy, like, yeah, I think broadly speaking that's 754 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: that's the case. And even our mom has always done 755 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: the presence and so that's been kind of modeled and 756 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: even like you know what you're going to eat or 757 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: where it's going to be or whatever. I think that 758 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 3: hopefully generationally it will change. But I think definitely for 759 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: our parents and grandparents, it's been the women organizing everything, 760 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: and it is just like unpaid labor, not to mention 761 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 3: the mental load and the hours and hours it takes 762 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: so that everyone has fun, and in fact it's the 763 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 3: organizers that had the least fun stressed. 764 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,959 Speaker 2: Don't you love the look of shock on your dad's 765 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: face when you open a present that's from him and 766 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: your mum and he has what it is and he's. 767 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's what we got. 768 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And Dad will then give mom a look like 769 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 4: we spent that much and. 770 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: It's but you can't do nothing, and then bela yeah. 771 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: Well, just lastly, how will you guys be spending spending 772 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: Christmas Day? 773 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: This year? 774 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: We are going to so our dad's side of the 775 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: family are having Christmas at our Auntie's place, and so 776 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 3: we have our cousin Simon, who has an intellectual disability, 777 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 3: and who is just our favorite person in the entire world. 778 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: He loves Christmas more than anyone, so he has a 779 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: Christmas shirt. He is just like all ged up, he's 780 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 3: got his music ready. So we spend Christmas with him 781 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 3: and that side of the family every year, and it's 782 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: just so exciting because you just know that there's going 783 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 3: to be somebody who's going to bring the vibe. Like 784 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: you're a bit tired or you're hungover or whatever, there's 785 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: going to be someone who's like, come on, presence, presence, food. 786 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, music. 787 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 3: Simon's mother as well, who's our dad's sister, has an 788 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: intellectual disability, and she's been married a few times to 789 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 3: a bunch of interesting people and they some of them 790 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 3: don't have anywhere to go on Christmas. So our family 791 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: has always been the place where you go if you 792 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 3: don't have anywhere to go. So it's like in this 793 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: particular suburb in Sydney, you know, all of Michelle's ex 794 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 3: husband and wives come and like one of her ex 795 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: husband's new wives is coming, but he's no longer with 796 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 3: the ex husband and she just yesterday and she's like, 797 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 3: where's Christmas? 798 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 4: And I was like, hey, Lizzie. 799 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 3: It is like yeah. 800 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 4: She was like, can someone pick me up? And I 801 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 4: was like sure, it's so much from Yeah, well we. 802 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 2: Hope you have a great you have a great day. 803 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. I just want to be friends with 804 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: your cousin. I feel like he sounds like he brings 805 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: a good vibe. 806 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: We get along. Well, this is obsessed with Christmas as us. 807 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves Christmas. He loves musicals. 808 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 3: My I've already got his Christmas present and it's a 809 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 3: big like collage of photos of him at all different 810 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 3: musicals because that's his favorite thing. 811 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 4: He likes to show people. 812 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 3: So, got that all sorted, and we're gonna have to 813 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: get him tickets to something clear because that's what he 814 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 3: keeps calling. 815 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 4: Even though we've got him tickets. 816 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 3: We're seeing six the musical on like the twenty third 817 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: or something, but he just you know, he's it's not 818 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 3: he needs to get some Christmas day. Yeah, we need 819 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 3: That's about. 820 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 2: Is the favorite, because I know that there's I remember 821 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: listened hearing that one of you guys does heaps for him. 822 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: But the other way, all you know, was that right? 823 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Did I miss hear that? 824 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: Yes? 825 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, what happened was during COVID. 826 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: Claire, like at the beginning, Claire was with Rory's family, 827 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 3: which wasn't in the vicinity, Like she wasn't allowed to 828 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 3: go and visit him, but I was, and so I 829 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 3: would go. And his favorite thing is a takeaway coffee, 830 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 3: so I'd go and bring him a takeaway coffee. And 831 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 3: then he just got like super like I love Jesse 832 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 3: and I loved it. I was like, so it's he's 833 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: coming out of it a bit now. But we would 834 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 3: go to every family thing and he'd like stop the 835 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 3: conversation and be like, Jesse, how's work? And I'd thank 836 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 3: you for asking, like basking in the glory of being 837 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 3: Simon's favorite. It's the best feeling. Even I called him 838 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 3: the other day and he was just yelling, He's like, Jesse, 839 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: where Jersey on? I am speaking to you right now, 840 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 3: like you are so annoying. 841 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: You know how to win? Just bring him some coffees 842 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: and surely that we're exactly. 843 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 4: I am very clear, it's very exactly. 844 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for joining us. We have 845 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoyed it. 846 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: Us. 847 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 3: We love what you guys do and keep representing the 848 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 3: multiples there needs to be more of us 849 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: All right back you guys, We love your work and 850 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 2: thank you again for being on our show.