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Speaker 1: Now we know that the federal government yesterday released the

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Speaker 1: findings of their landmark study into age assurance technology. It's

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Speaker 1: one hundred days out from the implementation date for their

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Speaker 1: social media ban for under sixteens. Now, the study found

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Speaker 1: that it was technologically possible to assess a user's age

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Speaker 1: to a reasonable degree of confidence in a variety of ways,

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Speaker 1: but that every way included risks as well as shortcomings. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Communications Minister Anika Wells and the E Safety Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Julie Ingram Grant will in the coming weeks and reveal

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Speaker 1: those reasonable steps that those platforms are going to be

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Speaker 1: required by law to take to comply with this ban. Now,

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Speaker 1: the steps might require them to meet a certain standard

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Speaker 1: for accuracy or to enact certain safeguards for privacy, but

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Speaker 1: they will not require platforms to use any specific method. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting, there is no doubt about that. Now.

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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line is UNI Essays Associate Professor

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Speaker 1: Leslie and I Good morning to you, Leslie.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Really good, lovely to have you on the show. Leslie,

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Speaker 1: tell us what you sort of know in relation to

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Speaker 1: the report that was handed down yesterday, and I guess

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Speaker 1: what you know about how some of this age verification

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Speaker 1: might work.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's multiple different methods that companies can use to

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Speaker 2: be able to assess age, and the report has actually

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Speaker 2: found that there's a degree of confidence that they'll be

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Speaker 2: able to do this effectively. There are some concerns by

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Speaker 2: the public in relation to privacy, image and data retention,

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Speaker 2: in secure capture pipelines and encrypto data transmission, spoofing, profiling, surveillance,

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Speaker 2: and digital footprint expansion, increased parent with bonsibility and monitoring

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Speaker 2: to try and support children. But I feel like it

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Speaker 2: isn't as bad as what we are thinking because you know,

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Speaker 2: basically the age verification, you know, if it's done well,

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Speaker 2: it collects a lot of private data. However, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of private data that's already been collected. You know,

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Speaker 2: we do have algorithms that are occurring in the background

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Speaker 2: the algorithms can already identify how old we are based

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Speaker 2: on how quickly we type. You know, whether we are

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Speaker 2: you know, that's all collected and our friendship lists, our interests,

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of algorithms in the background that's

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Speaker 2: have you know, every time you open your phone, you

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Speaker 2: So all of that private data is already out there.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like there's an overreaction in relation to

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Speaker 2: what is going to occur based on Yeah, companies collecting

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like you said, when we're already using all

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Speaker 1: As you've said, I guess when it comes to our kids,

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Speaker 1: there are certainly plenty of risks that they face. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would you say are some of those big risks

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Speaker 2: Look, I think social media positions children that's far greater

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Speaker 2: You know, children at risk of being victims of bullying

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Speaker 2: X is another thing that is a risk the children

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, like it is. It's terrible to think some

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Speaker 2: And that's absolutely right, Katie. It's because of their their

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Speaker 2: and you know they will engage in, you know, sending

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Speaker 2: Internet is an uncontrollable phenomenon, Like as soon as something's

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Speaker 2: So they do make these errors and then you know,

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Speaker 2: they are getting blackmailed, they're getting threatened, and they're embarrassed,

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Speaker 2: they're ashamed, they're scared, they're getting in trouble. They've done

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Speaker 2: You know, they really do need to have age appropriate

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Speaker 2: seek help and being open. The more parents talk about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, if leslie in terms of

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Speaker 2: Really Yeah, And that's the thing, and that's what you know.

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Speaker 2: Pedophiles are a step ahead of us, regardless of how

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Speaker 2: it's so important for schools and parents to actually be

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Speaker 2: We've got the social media ban and you know that

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Speaker 2: the parents need to be having those conversations, and those

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Speaker 2: conversations need to be ongoing. It can't just be a

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Speaker 2: once of a social media ban, isn't a silver bullet. No,

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Speaker 2: We're still going to be interacting. So therefore, you know,

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Speaker 2: they don't know where to turn. They're embarrasses, humiliated, they're scared,

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely spot on there. I reckon Leslie in my opinion. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: That's true, and you've got there's key sides to that story.

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Speaker 2: If you have some kids that will be absolutely embracing

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Speaker 2: and do what you were doing prior. And again, you know,

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Speaker 1: Leslie, I reckon, that's the best advice. That is such

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Speaker 1: good advice in my opinion, just having those discussions with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be honest with you, like advice that

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Speaker 2: It's all acting, and the actors are not enjoying and

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Speaker 2: it's not fun, it's not sex education, and having some

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Speaker 2: of those conversations is really difficult for parents. You don't

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Speaker 2: talking about poor or talking about risks. So the car

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Speaker 2: is a perfect face to have those conversations because you're

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Speaker 2: both looking straight ahead. You don't have that awkward looking

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Speaker 2: or driving anywhere. Really when it's in you begin these

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Speaker 2: but you're engaged in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Oh, Leslie, I really appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. I think it's a really interesting discussion to

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Speaker 1: and then once they get to those teenage years, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they need to know some of the risks obviously

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Speaker 1: those gaming platforms, and then when you look at you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's certainly a lot of risks

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Speaker 2: those with kids. And the e Safety Commissioner's web page

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Speaker 2: speak to kids, some of the risks that are out there,

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Speaker 2: how to seek help. So even if kids, you know,

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Speaker 2: that there's other means, there's other avenues that they can

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Speaker 2: reach out to and seek help as well. So well,

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Speaker 2: that's important that you know they know about that as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Leslie. I really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having a chat.

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Speaker 2: With us, not a problem, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to chat with you.