Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast.
Speaker 2: Last week that might welcome back guys to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: As you may know, my name is Benjamin Norris and
Speaker 2: this is your podcast to get all the inside goss
Speaker 2: on the popular TV shows that you may be watching
Speaker 2: from around the world. Underniably, our TV sets are still
Speaker 2: a major part of our home entertainment, and yet very
Speaker 2: little is known about how our favorite shows get made.
Speaker 2: So each episode, I've been finding guests that want to
Speaker 2: dive just that little bit deeper into the shows that
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Speaker 2: names in Australian television. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: podcast platform. On today's podcast, I have Natalie Morris and
Speaker 2: Carlos Sanson Junior from the hit series Bump, which has
Speaker 2: dropped series four on Stan Australia today. I absolutely love
Speaker 2: revisiting these characters each year, and we have seen a
Speaker 2: new season drop on the same day, Boxing Day for
Speaker 2: quite a few years now. I feel like the day
Speaker 2: after Christmas we all need to binge a TV series
Speaker 2: and just forget about the world and take some time
Speaker 2: to have some escapism. Some people might look forward to
Speaker 2: the Boxing Day sales, I personally look forward to taking
Speaker 2: a deep dive into the world of Bump, which is
Speaker 2: set in Glebe, Sydney. The Australian drama is made by
Speaker 2: TV legends Dan Edwards and his father John Edwards, along
Speaker 2: with Claudia Carvin and Kelsey Monroe. I had the pleasure
Speaker 2: of chatting with Dan and Claudia earlier this year, and
Speaker 2: if you missed those episodes of TV Reload, make sure
Speaker 2: you jump back and hear their incredible stories. In Bump
Speaker 2: season four, we've jumped forward again, this time by two years.
Speaker 2: Ollie played by my guest today Natalie Morris, and Santi
Speaker 2: played by my other guest, Carlos Sanson Junior are back together,
Speaker 2: having finally stabilized their small family unit with their challenging
Speaker 2: seven year old daughter, Jacinta. Ollie is now the breadwinner
Speaker 2: and Santy has found himself the unhappy stay at home dad,
Speaker 2: and their endless interventions from their big mess of a
Speaker 2: family are going to make them or break them for
Speaker 2: series four. It is delicious writing, superbly acted, and like
Speaker 2: I said, it's the perfect escapism for this time of
Speaker 2: the year. We will talk about the casting of both
Speaker 2: their roles. Natalie will talk about the way in which
Speaker 2: she created the character of Claudia Carvin's daughter and which
Speaker 2: of her iconic roles she watched to get some inspiration.
Speaker 2: Carlos will share his journey with his character, and while
Speaker 2: it's widely known that Natalie had an obvious mentor on
Speaker 2: the show, he will also reveal who has been a
Speaker 2: true inspiration for him too. We will dive into their
Speaker 2: real relationship and find out what separates their on screen
Speaker 2: romance with where they're both at now living together and
Speaker 2: if that has created any kind of confusion. Plus, we
Speaker 2: will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of Bump, which,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, starts on Stan Australia today. Anyway, let's
Speaker 2: bring these two into the podcast and guys, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for listening to this podcast. It really does
Speaker 2: mean a lot to me, and what a joy it
Speaker 2: is to finish the series for twenty twenty three with
Speaker 2: Bump for the second year in a row. I hope
Speaker 2: you enjoy this episode.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I had to own Carlos's laptop and my I had
Speaker 4: to get the Zoom link and then download Zoom and
Speaker 4: da da dah.
Speaker 2: Did you guys do the like it was like a
Speaker 2: stand installation of the restaurant, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Pretty much?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, we kind of took over the jar
Speaker 4: Contina and Glebe and had all the Bump posters up
Speaker 4: and we were there was so manyadas.
Speaker 3: People just came in and got free food.
Speaker 2: Was there a lot of super fans that come in
Speaker 2: and interacted with you?
Speaker 5: It was pretty surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a whole line of fans out the
Speaker 1: front of the store at eleven am with a lot of.
Speaker 4: Inner Westies, a lot of Glebe vocals, fans who were
Speaker 4: like new film on my Street and.
Speaker 2: I I love that stuff. I mean, Claudia talks about
Speaker 2: that from when she did Seek the Wife of Us.
Speaker 2: You know, since Kilda really owned that TV series, Saint
Speaker 2: Kilda was where it was set, you would obviously have
Speaker 2: that with gleebe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it feels the same.
Speaker 1: And there were people who were like, I just I
Speaker 1: live up the roast came down, I saw what was
Speaker 1: happening on Instagram.
Speaker 5: I just like walked out the door and just came
Speaker 5: down to say hi. It was nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just so happy that young people of your age.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean to sound that in a condescening
Speaker 2: way at all. I am forty three, so I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit old, But I'm just so happy that there's
Speaker 2: really good content for young people with young people playing them.
Speaker 3: That's so nice.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was part of why we did
Speaker 1: the time jump, because I think we pulled off we
Speaker 1: pulled off teenage high school when we first started doing Bump,
Speaker 1: but then as we kind of got older, I think
Speaker 1: the whole consensus with the whole career of team was like,
Speaker 1: let's not try and keep young and like playing younger
Speaker 1: than they actually are, because you know, as we got
Speaker 1: as the sort of years went on, by the time
Speaker 1: we got to season three, it was like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: really feel right to be playing high school anymore, and
Speaker 1: the story can expand so much more if we do
Speaker 1: this time jump, and I remember we were really excited
Speaker 1: about By the time we got to do the five
Speaker 1: years in the future, it was like, oh wow, It's.
Speaker 2: Like what is the age difference? Though? So when you
Speaker 2: first got those roles, how old were you playing? Like,
Speaker 2: were you two or three years out?
Speaker 4: All? No, I was twenty three and I was playing sixteen,
Speaker 4: so I was quite a bit older.
Speaker 1: I look back and I watched stuff from season one
Speaker 1: and season two.
Speaker 5: What's crazy is season two and season.
Speaker 1: Three were filmed two months apart, and I look at
Speaker 1: stuff from season two and I'm like, we look like children,
Speaker 1: and then I look at three and I'm like, we
Speaker 1: look like adults.
Speaker 5: And it was just two months apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. What did you do in between that?
Speaker 2: I mean they were filmed together.
Speaker 5: I did go to the gym a lot. I was like,
Speaker 5: I want there to be some sort of physical difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember being quite set on that, like this is
Speaker 1: my Christian Vale moment to do a cool physical transformation
Speaker 1: over the summer. But yeah, we definitely played around with
Speaker 1: like the looks and like I shaved my head and
Speaker 1: did you dye your hair or get extensions?
Speaker 3: I think they died a blonder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was costuming makes a big difference as well.
Speaker 1: You know, like we're not in those jubilee when you're
Speaker 1: not in the school uniform, the school uniform does.
Speaker 5: So much, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually put on the school.
Speaker 1: Uniform, I was like, I didn't think I was going
Speaker 1: to ever do this again. And you immediately feel like
Speaker 1: a little kid again. You know, You're like, where do
Speaker 1: I go?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy that you guys are playing your own age.
Speaker 2: I think that that works because I think we're getting
Speaker 2: more of that. Like even with Heartbreak High that's come back,
Speaker 2: we've got more age appropriate people, major age appropriate actors
Speaker 2: playing them. I mean back in the day like Luke
Speaker 2: Perry on nine oh two or oh, I think he
Speaker 2: was like twenty years older than what he was playing,
Speaker 2: and it was just, yeah, we need to move away
Speaker 2: from that. I think audiences are getting smarter and they
Speaker 2: really enjoy authenticity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I think that's something. I think it
Speaker 4: was smart that Bump originally cast a little bit older,
Speaker 4: just because I feel like we could remember what it
Speaker 4: was like to be sixteen with a sense of humor,
Speaker 4: Whereas I think if we were actually sixteen, we wouldn't
Speaker 4: have been able to laugh at ourselves as much and
Speaker 4: kind of take the piss a little bit out of
Speaker 4: the teenage experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look back at our own high school experiences with
Speaker 1: a bit of perspective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and really play it up. And yeah, especially for Olie,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: You know, the back of the class in trouble all
Speaker 1: the time. But also, we weren't so old that it
Speaker 1: was weird. It looked weird like a guy with a beard.
Speaker 2: I didn't have the wrinkles.
Speaker 5: And yeah, now it's a different story.
Speaker 1: Those sun marks they're coming through, but that's.
Speaker 2: When they're like, you could get some botox. No, I'm
Speaker 2: only kidding. I was so excited to organize this chat
Speaker 2: with the two of you. It was kind of like
Speaker 2: my pipe dream. I mean, this is honest to God,
Speaker 2: like bump fantasy. Actually fantasy is probably misleading. That makes
Speaker 2: it sound, that makes it sound really weird. But I
Speaker 2: just was so excited to have the two of you
Speaker 2: together because this show has been in our lives now
Speaker 2: every year we get to look forward to coming back
Speaker 2: and there's a bit of ownership over following the story
Speaker 2: that the true of you have been telling.
Speaker 3: I feel like I just.
Speaker 4: Found that this year, I feel like I've noticed that
Speaker 4: people are like, oh, we're looking forward to like they
Speaker 4: kind of have cottoned on to, like, oh, in boxing day,
Speaker 4: of course it's going to come out. And it just
Speaker 4: feels like there's more of a following now than after
Speaker 4: two seasons. You know, people come to expect it as
Speaker 4: part of their holiday, Christmas holiday experience.
Speaker 3: Really nice.
Speaker 1: It's been a bit weird the way it's all worked
Speaker 1: out is like at the end of season one, we
Speaker 1: didn't know if we were going to do another one,
Speaker 1: and we knew that we were going to do three
Speaker 1: after two, but we didn't know if the three was
Speaker 1: going to be the end. So at the end of
Speaker 1: kind of most seasons it's been like this, this might
Speaker 1: be it, Like all right, god bye, this might this
Speaker 1: might be the end of bump, and we don't know
Speaker 1: until it comes out, and then of course it does,
Speaker 1: so well, another one gets renewed. So it's been this like,
Speaker 1: you know, you you hope that it goes again, but
Speaker 1: there's no, it's not like it in season one. We
Speaker 1: signed a four season deal and we knew that every
Speaker 1: year for us it was going to be this this
Speaker 1: thing that we did, Yeah, but yeah, I agree. This
Speaker 1: season it's feeling, yeah, like people are getting used to
Speaker 1: it now. It's like, oh, it's that time of year again,
Speaker 1: it's Boxing Day.
Speaker 5: It's fine.
Speaker 3: People are really familiar with the characters now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good writing, though, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think that there's some honest to god fantastic collaborating
Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes to make a show like this pop,
Speaker 2: Because I mean, I saw Claudia last night. I actually
Speaker 2: sat next to her at the preview of Expats, and
Speaker 2: I was talking to her about my nervousness about season four.
Speaker 2: I have a fear of season four and TV shows
Speaker 2: that I love because so often it's season four, they're
Speaker 2: fall over. I didn't say to Claudia last night, but
Speaker 2: Secret Life of Us season four was terrible. She wasn't
Speaker 2: in it at that stage.
Speaker 4: She wasn't in it. I feel like, yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I was scared. And then you
Speaker 2: know what, it was so nice because I've watched the
Speaker 2: first I've watched a big chunk of this series and
Speaker 2: of season four, which is coming out of Boxing Day,
Speaker 2: and it just levels up again. There's more conversation and
Speaker 2: it's deeper. The characters are richer, even with it starting
Speaker 2: with the bushfires and talking about the climate, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, it's just like the sky's
Speaker 2: the limit now with what you can do with these characters.
Speaker 2: And we have an expectation for it to level up
Speaker 2: every year, and I'm happy to say that this next
Speaker 2: series levels up again.
Speaker 4: No, the writers are bumps, so smart, and they're so
Speaker 4: conscious of not turning it into a soapy TV show.
Speaker 4: They're really trying to stay ahead of the audience, just
Speaker 4: keep pushing like, Okay, what's relevant now? What are we
Speaker 4: talking about now? What's in the zeitgeist at the moment.
Speaker 4: And it does feel like these characters can just be
Speaker 4: a vessel for literally whatever we want to say, and
Speaker 4: the writers have a lot to say, so it's it's
Speaker 4: good in that way.
Speaker 2: I want to start at the beginning because I'm just
Speaker 2: so excited to have the two of you there, But like,
Speaker 2: how did you get cast? Like for starters, both of
Speaker 2: you are phenomenal in these roles. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: ownership over it. But also the chemistry between the two
Speaker 2: of you is electrick like, it's it's palpable. How did
Speaker 2: you guys come across the material and how did you
Speaker 2: get pasted?
Speaker 4: Well, I auditioned for Kirsty McGregor, the casting director for
Speaker 4: a different project, So I didn't get that.
Speaker 2: Can we say what that was? Is that bad to Eden?
Speaker 4: Eden, which was being made around the same time as
Speaker 4: the Stand project, another Stamp project, And Yeah, I just
Speaker 4: wasn't right for that character. I think that character was
Speaker 4: played by her, not Sophie Wilde the other the blog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually don't know, just bailed us on the test.
Speaker 4: And but because Kirsty had seen my audition for Eden,
Speaker 4: she thought to herself, I guess like, oh, this girl
Speaker 4: would be really good as Cordia Carbon's daughter. And at
Speaker 4: that time she, I guess, just started to get word
Speaker 4: of Bump and so by the time it got to me,
Speaker 4: she already was like quite it wasn't a general call
Speaker 4: out to me.
Speaker 3: She was quite interested in me already for the role.
Speaker 3: So she sent me. I kind of jumped straight to
Speaker 3: the recall stage in a way.
Speaker 4: She sent me like five or six scenes off of that,
Speaker 4: and I knew that they were kind of interested in
Speaker 4: me and excited, So I was like, Okay, I've really
Speaker 4: got to do a good audition for this, and then
Speaker 4: I sent it in a tape and I got the job.
Speaker 3: I didn't even recall or I know it was chemistry.
Speaker 3: We didn't chemistry read.
Speaker 2: She living in What is wild to me that they
Speaker 2: didn't chemistry read the two of you, because.
Speaker 4: The chemistry read Carlos with heaps of different vinces. But
Speaker 4: we didn't jump on a call until we were already
Speaker 4: cast weeks later.
Speaker 2: Do you know what? But did you Maybe they cast you?
Speaker 2: Because I just assumed, Natalie, that when you found out
Speaker 2: that you got this role, or when you started auditioning
Speaker 2: and you knew you were playing Claudia's daughter, that you
Speaker 2: must have gone and watched a lot of her stuff
Speaker 2: or followed her around, because the nuances that you were
Speaker 2: picking up and playing and demonstrating, it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: you're impersonating Claudia carb and it felt like you were
Speaker 2: her daughter. He felt like you. She genuinely had that
Speaker 2: mother daughter similarities. Did you go and watch a lot
Speaker 2: of her old work or were you allowed to follow
Speaker 2: her around?
Speaker 3: I did, Yeah, I stalked Laudia. I did.
Speaker 4: I was living because I was living in Auckland at
Speaker 4: the time, and so I had to do the hotel
Speaker 4: quarantine to come over for a bump, and during the
Speaker 4: hotel quarantine, I watched all of Love My Way, which
Speaker 4: I loved.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Love My.
Speaker 4: Way, and so I kind of got an idea of
Speaker 4: her through that. But I think I think it just
Speaker 4: happened over time.
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, I remember you started to adopt her laugh. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys up and I was like, you're laughing like
Speaker 1: Claude laughs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think I just started to become like her across
Speaker 4: the choot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just by I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it was just being around her. It was
Speaker 5: probably a bit of awe as well, so we're just like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Well people talk about it though. I mean I've heard
Speaker 2: it from people on the set that the two of
Speaker 2: you are very close and that Claudia has that sort
Speaker 2: of mentorship with you. Yeah, but there's a really is
Speaker 2: this soul sister thing happening. There's something very very I
Speaker 2: don't know organic about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how that happened. I think we
Speaker 3: just we just really hit it off from day one, and.
Speaker 4: I remember there were some members of the cast who
Speaker 4: were like, oh, Claudia Carvin, it's so nice to be
Speaker 4: on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm so grateful for being, you know,
Speaker 3: in your presence, and I think I was just like,
Speaker 3: you're a bit shit.
Speaker 2: I think someone like Claudia Covin wants though, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, I think she doesn't want
Speaker 2: anyone sucking up to her. She doesn't want anyone being like, oh,
Speaker 2: she wants to be challenged, you know. She wants to
Speaker 2: see the enthusiasm and the you know, the interest that
Speaker 2: you have in the industry. I think is where she
Speaker 2: responds most. And I think she can clearly see that
Speaker 2: there's something in you that I don't know.
Speaker 4: I personally have a really close relationship with my mum,
Speaker 4: So when someone is cast as my mom, I tend
Speaker 4: to kind of just instinctively treat them like they're very
Speaker 4: close to me in a way, like I think the
Speaker 4: way I spoke to her in scenes and how kind of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how you endow that person.
Speaker 4: I endow that person with, oh, okay, yeah, this person
Speaker 4: is my mom, and therefore I don't know they just
Speaker 4: it's a bit of imagination and it's a bit of
Speaker 4: I feel like that happens all the time. Like your
Speaker 4: relationship with the people that you're acting with become very
Speaker 4: similar to the relationship with the characters awlus.
Speaker 2: Do you feel jealous about this relationship that they have?
Speaker 2: Do you? Do you have a mentorship on the set
Speaker 2: of Bump as well?
Speaker 3: Yes, he does. Nom and Tim have adopted especially.
Speaker 5: Ryan Johnson's my mentor.
Speaker 3: Ryan Anger love that. Yeah, he's my idol.
Speaker 1: It was interesting because my Ricardo, who plays my dad,
Speaker 1: had never acted before and so we we and I
Speaker 1: had done some stuff, but it was my first big
Speaker 1: lead role, and we we really I think, leant on
Speaker 1: each other, like as like we're both in this and
Speaker 1: like that's just like let's let's lean on each other
Speaker 1: like a father and a son would in a way,
Speaker 1: like there was there was a bit of dependence on
Speaker 1: each other that we were just like let's do our
Speaker 1: best and let's make this as real as possible.
Speaker 3: And also I feel like he was a mentor for
Speaker 3: you in terms of like the South American.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, you didn't speak as good as Spanish.
Speaker 1: Now. Also I didn't know how to dance salsa and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was. Yeah, he was he
Speaker 1: was great and I think he but in the same
Speaker 1: way that he was. It felt like he was leaning
Speaker 1: on me too in terms of the acting stuff, which
Speaker 1: which felt like it was a two way relationship. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was just leaning on him all the time.
Speaker 1: It was it was a really nice lab. It was
Speaker 1: a nice collab there with me and Ricarda.
Speaker 2: Well. I don't want to give anything away, but there's
Speaker 2: some scenes in this latest season where you two you
Speaker 2: were there with your father and feels very genuine. And
Speaker 2: I remember Claudia saying something about the fact that they
Speaker 2: chose some actors for the very first season to make
Speaker 2: it the first time actors.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: They didn't go and try and find these recognizable names
Speaker 2: that to be able to create this multicultural universe that worked.
Speaker 2: They did audition and find first time actors, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think there's something in that maybe as to
Speaker 2: why the community works with this show. And I think
Speaker 2: community is the right word even today.
Speaker 1: The launch for season four, we were at Bajakantina and
Speaker 1: Glebe and it was most of the South American cast
Speaker 1: were there, and most of them are community cast, like
Speaker 1: Claudia de Gusti, who plays Pernadita, community cast.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously Plo done.
Speaker 3: Lost facting before, we're not really here.
Speaker 1: But Ricardo was there too, and then and there there
Speaker 1: was something to be said about just like one hundred yeah, yeah, yeah, Miguel,
Speaker 1: we're all it just feels like we're just.
Speaker 5: A bunch of normal people having to dance.
Speaker 1: We were just like dancing, eating up and others and
Speaker 1: like there were fans and stuff there, but it was
Speaker 1: just like everyone come in and together the others and
Speaker 1: there's it feels like there's no ego or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I think there's zero ego set.
Speaker 2: I think it's authenticity that must be to me, that's
Speaker 2: what that's the word that comes to mind because and
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't always happen like that. You do
Speaker 2: often speak to actors and they'll be like, we had
Speaker 2: an amazing time on set, and that it doesn't work
Speaker 2: on camera where for this particular series, it's just popping.
Speaker 2: And it's why we all want to be a part
Speaker 2: of community and it's why Bump works and we want
Speaker 2: season four, we want season five, we want season six
Speaker 2: because we're as an audience feel included in this community
Speaker 2: and it's good content to feel like that.
Speaker 5: Something to be said about the also the South American culture.
Speaker 5: I don't I want to.
Speaker 1: Blame it all on that, but there is something about
Speaker 1: the energy and the warmth that comes when the Hernando's
Speaker 1: family are together.
Speaker 3: And yeah, true, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like every day that it's a Honande's day, Like if
Speaker 1: we're at the Henando's house or a Ross's house, it's.
Speaker 5: Like it's there's just something special.
Speaker 1: There's something special that like maybe isn't there on other
Speaker 1: days with I remember.
Speaker 4: In season one, especially the episodes that were directed by
Speaker 4: Letitia whose Aretion Timmy, and so the set was kind
Speaker 4: of like in like everyone was speaking Spanish, that the
Speaker 4: crew was speaking Spanish because Carolina was focus puller, Letty
Speaker 4: was talking and Spanish to all the actors, and yeah,
Speaker 4: those days just felt like just yeah, there was some
Speaker 4: kind of warmth connection fun.
Speaker 1: It was just and that stuff that the camera doesn't lie,
Speaker 1: that's the camera picks up on that stuff. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what it is that you're talking about, that
Speaker 1: you that you feel, yeah when you're watching it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think Dan Edwards is making the most of
Speaker 2: the real bonds that are happening. You know, he's threading
Speaker 2: that you know, I think that must be what's happening
Speaker 2: there where there's some decisions being made on keeping the
Speaker 2: cameras on actors longer because you know, there's there's a
Speaker 2: vibe there. I guess I hate the word vibe. That's
Speaker 2: a terrible word.
Speaker 4: Hopefully a lot of like real there's a lot of
Speaker 4: like spontaneous things that happen and the camera captures it.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't want to pry about your personal lives,
Speaker 2: but can I just say about the chemistry between the
Speaker 2: two of you. So you've both been cast in this,
Speaker 2: you've both met, Can you talk to me about the
Speaker 2: initial stages of the two of you working together and
Speaker 2: the relationship that you guys were having at that point.
Speaker 3: We met on Zoom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we met on Zoom. And I feel like the
Speaker 1: way season the arc of season one panned out, it
Speaker 1: was very kind of similar because the first it feels
Speaker 1: like the first couple weeks, a lot of our stuff
Speaker 1: was actually quite separate. And that's kind of how season
Speaker 1: the trajectory of season one goes. You kind of have
Speaker 1: the traumas Davis family dealing with this pregnancy, and then
Speaker 1: have the Hernandez family who are dealing with the fact
Speaker 1: that they founder that their son is the father, and.
Speaker 4: There's a bit of we only really chat for the
Speaker 4: first time in episode four or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the first time that these two characters going together,
Speaker 1: and that was a bit.
Speaker 5: That's kind of what it felt like working together.
Speaker 1: It was like we would pass each other on set, like, hey,
Speaker 1: here you go on and I had heard great things
Speaker 1: about NAT's performance.
Speaker 3: All we hear from the crew like like, oh, flo game.
Speaker 2: And wait till you meet this guy. Yeah, And then
Speaker 2: it'd start to feel competitive, wouldn't you. You'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got the female lead's going to be doing better
Speaker 2: than me.
Speaker 5: Bro I'm good with her the competition.
Speaker 1: No, but I was feeling like kind of nervous. I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, I hope I'm doing my bit
Speaker 1: because I'm not like, I don't know about you. But
Speaker 1: I wasn't hearing that I was doing great things.
Speaker 3: Oh I was hearing that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I guess I know that in hindsight now
Speaker 1: from telling me. But at the time, all I was
Speaker 1: hearing was that Nat was amazing, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm doing the show dressers, I'm doing my
Speaker 1: character Justice. I hope when I start doing scenes with
Speaker 1: her that I'm watching her, you know, because but I.
Speaker 4: Think that there was this kind of shared load, Like
Speaker 4: I think that we both felt like, Okay, we're carrying
Speaker 4: a new TV show and it's you know, Claudia Carbon
Speaker 4: and stand and there.
Speaker 2: Would have been a lot of pressure on the two
Speaker 2: of you independently, So I guess you could get together
Speaker 2: and and share that load, and yeah, I feel as
Speaker 2: much pressure.
Speaker 3: I guess like we just kind of like a real
Speaker 3: kind of I see you. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: I think by the time we started having scenes together properly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we started to explain that relationship dynamic, we were
Speaker 1: really leaning on each other at that point and just
Speaker 1: like I got you, you got me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's just trust.
Speaker 3: We had a very similar way of working from the ke.
Speaker 3: We both were very.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we have we have very different processes
Speaker 1: as individual artists. Yeah, but I think a very similar
Speaker 1: attitude on attitude on.
Speaker 5: Set of like let's get this the best it can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, we're both very investigative and like what's what is
Speaker 1: this scene?
Speaker 3: When it's not working, we like freak out.
Speaker 1: Kind of going by our heads and like look at
Speaker 1: each other and like it's a couple of times in
Speaker 1: season one where I would just part and you see
Speaker 1: that go like looks off into the distance, and I'm like.
Speaker 5: What's the wrong?
Speaker 3: What's happening for the scene?
Speaker 5: Like what's what's what? What is it? What is it?
Speaker 5: And then we kind of start to you know, there's that.
Speaker 3: We unpack it, we go again, and.
Speaker 5: Then we go again. Scene gets better. But there's a
Speaker 5: couple of.
Speaker 4: Times as well where we didn't get to the stage
Speaker 4: that we were happy, and then we'd have to go
Speaker 4: home and we'd call each.
Speaker 2: Other all the way home and be like that's so
Speaker 2: bad and it's your fault. No, no, no, that's cruse fault.
Speaker 5: You know, you just start think.
Speaker 4: It was just like a shared goal of making it
Speaker 4: as good as possible, and we had similar taste and
Speaker 4: you know, we don't have the same process, but we
Speaker 4: do have very similar values on set. Yeah, we both
Speaker 4: like really want to keep it live.
Speaker 3: We love listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what Claudia was saying. Acting really is listening.
Speaker 2: It is about learning the lines, but so much of
Speaker 2: your characters are listening to what the other actor is doing,
Speaker 2: what the other person is doing. Ultimately, I think there are.
Speaker 4: So many characters on the show that are so funny
Speaker 4: and just the things they can do with their face
Speaker 4: and their voice, and they're kind of like comedy specialist, specialist,
Speaker 4: like they're really.
Speaker 3: Good at doing a comedy.
Speaker 4: And I think that both of us were kind of
Speaker 4: like that wasn't what we were good at, or didn't
Speaker 4: we just weren't that kind of actor. We were both
Speaker 4: actors who were like, Okay, I'm going to look at you,
Speaker 4: you're going to look at me.
Speaker 3: We're gonna make this really real.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this until recently from doing this podcast,
Speaker 2: but the actors that I like the most have something
Speaker 2: in common, and that is curiosity. I think if you're
Speaker 2: a good actor. To me, what I think lifts on
Speaker 2: screen is when that actor is curious. Because if you're
Speaker 2: being curious in your role and of the people you're
Speaker 2: working with, the nuances work better. Well.
Speaker 5: Your attention is on the other person of the scene.
Speaker 1: Your attention is not on yourself, it's on what's happening
Speaker 1: in front of you, and then you're responding to that,
Speaker 1: and then that's what creates the moment and the truth.
Speaker 4: There was actually something that I learned a drama school,
Speaker 4: Like an exercise that we used to do sometimes is
Speaker 4: rather than going into a new scene with like an
Speaker 4: idea or a direction, you go into the scene with
Speaker 4: a question. Rather than going, Okay, I'm going to play
Speaker 4: Allie a bit like more scared. You go into the
Speaker 4: scene going is always slightly afraid of what Santi will say,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like it's which I always
Speaker 4: found really helpful because you're not kind of going, I'm
Speaker 4: going to play this, You're going.
Speaker 3: I'm going to wonder about this during the scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it's playing in the background and people
Speaker 2: feel that.
Speaker 1: And if you if you're feeling uncomfortable and your character
Speaker 1: is not supposed to be uncomfortable, then that's what's going
Speaker 1: to be. That's what the audience is going to read.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's about doing your character that the
Speaker 1: ultimate justice and existing in the given circumstances that your
Speaker 1: character is in.
Speaker 5: Like fully, this is how I work.
Speaker 1: It's like you fully believe that what's happening right now
Speaker 1: in the scene is happening in real life, and you're
Speaker 1: responding to that as truthfully as you can.
Speaker 2: And that's at some point though from doing this. The
Speaker 2: obvious question here at this point is do you two,
Speaker 2: as people, not as actors, fall in love together?
Speaker 1: That that that that's like, yeah, it's a really good question.
Speaker 1: I think I think you do, but not in a
Speaker 1: romantic way like like I think I think.
Speaker 2: You as actors would be in love. Like I said,
Speaker 2: obviously you are very good actors. These characters are in love.
Speaker 2: So there's authentic feelings of love obviously there. But I'm
Speaker 2: curious about the two of you. I'm like, does being
Speaker 2: an actor and playing these characters do it come off screen?
Speaker 2: Does it translate? Does it transfer into your real life?
Speaker 1: There's a genuine adoration that I have for Nat and
Speaker 1: that's that exists for real and I think that's probably
Speaker 1: what you're seeing that you're watching Santi have for Ali.
Speaker 5: But because of the way the script is.
Speaker 1: And you know, the storytelling that is being layered on
Speaker 1: top of that, costumes that all that type of stuff,
Speaker 1: the given circumstances that the audience takes that and goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're in love. The respect and the enjoyment that I
Speaker 1: that I that I feel when I'm with nat I
Speaker 1: think that's probably what's convinced such a convincing portrayal of.
Speaker 4: Its interesting because we've also been with other people on
Speaker 4: the show, and I've been with other people and other projects,
Speaker 4: and so was Carlos, And it's interesting.
Speaker 3: We talk about this a bit too, because it's like
Speaker 3: part of like it's just like our real relationship.
Speaker 4: My real relationship with Claudia Book is on screen with
Speaker 4: her as my mum. My real relationship with Angus is
Speaker 4: on screen with him as my dad, My real relationship
Speaker 4: with oh No, a version of my relationship with Christian
Speaker 4: is on screen with Bowie.
Speaker 3: But I think with partners.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because I also had to act with Harry
Speaker 4: Greenwood in season three, and I really like Harry Greenwood.
Speaker 3: As a person.
Speaker 4: I think he's hilarious and I really enjoyed being on
Speaker 4: set with him. And I think they originally wrote him
Speaker 4: to be like kind of as like dorky, kind of
Speaker 4: a bit gross, like slimy guy that Ollie really shouldn't
Speaker 4: sleep with, but she.
Speaker 3: Does because she sad.
Speaker 4: And I think because we got on so well, then
Speaker 4: the relationship actually looked on screen like a really true friendship,
Speaker 4: and so then that kind of informed, that kind of
Speaker 4: informed what they then did with it, And I don't
Speaker 4: think it was their intention on the outset, but as
Speaker 4: we were shooting, they were kind of like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is what where, this is what it is. And
Speaker 4: I thought, as as Olie, I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: she is in love with this character in a way,
Speaker 4: she is in love with Michael, but it's just like
Speaker 4: not so romantic or not so.
Speaker 2: She's not it works for the story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, physically maybe then yeah, their chemistry isn't so hot.
Speaker 5: And on the contrary, if you're in a scene with
Speaker 5: someone who who you need to despise or you need
Speaker 5: to have like deep hatred for it, kind of it's
Speaker 5: still that that closeness.
Speaker 1: And that real friendship and adoration if you want to
Speaker 1: use that word. That kind of is just as important
Speaker 1: in a scene where you need to be enemies with
Speaker 1: someone because the closer you are with that actor, at
Speaker 1: least in my experience, the more trust there is to
Speaker 1: go there fully and the more space that there is
Speaker 1: that you can hold for the other actor to go
Speaker 1: don't worry, you can go for my neck, you can
Speaker 1: go for the juggular, and like there's a and I
Speaker 1: think it's the same thing where it's like on character
Speaker 1: like love relationships, it's like the more trust that's there,
Speaker 1: and there is so much trust between us, the more
Speaker 1: that we both feel comfortable and safe enough to go there.
Speaker 1: And I think there is a deep trust with Nat
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 4: Also, I think we've done three four seasons now, we've
Speaker 4: been doing this for three years. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: we've we We have also followed Oli santi journey. So
Speaker 4: Olie is in love with Santi, so that means I
Speaker 4: know what it is like to be in love with
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's weird, it's so MULDI layered, and I keep trying
Speaker 2: to work it out. I just think people are so
Speaker 2: curious about it because it's the relationship with these characters
Speaker 2: leaks off the screen, you have a relationship outside of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: I can't no spoilers, but there was one particular moment
Speaker 4: and we were crying these real tears and it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't because it wasn't because Nat. Oh, how do
Speaker 3: I describe.
Speaker 5: This without giving the spoiler?
Speaker 3: Yeah, without being a spoiler.
Speaker 2: It was because it's hard to talk about without doing that.
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to talk about even if we
Speaker 2: did talk about spoilans, it just felt like.
Speaker 1: The emotion there was there was a truth, There was
Speaker 1: a there was a truthful emotion that was circulating between
Speaker 1: the two of us, and that existed separate to what
Speaker 1: the story was.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so whatever's happening in the story, we're not going
Speaker 1: to say because that's a spoiler. What was happening between
Speaker 1: us was definitely like real, but it was it was
Speaker 1: like a different But.
Speaker 4: What I'm also saying is like it was emotional because
Speaker 4: I was empathizing with Ollie. Like I didn't think it
Speaker 4: was happening to me, but I've been so invested in
Speaker 4: Ollie's story I knew how much the moment, what the moment.
Speaker 3: Meant for her.
Speaker 4: That as Ollie, and as someone who's kind of owned
Speaker 4: Ollie for three years, I could feel what I empathized with.
Speaker 4: What it's like, you know, when you watch a movie
Speaker 4: and you cry for another character, it's like, I feel
Speaker 4: like you're them, Like it's like watching the movie of
Speaker 4: your character and you're invested in feeling everything your characters feeling.
Speaker 2: Do you want the characters to stay together? Like, is
Speaker 2: there like a feeling that you two have? I mean,
Speaker 2: season three, we saw the you two apart. We saw
Speaker 2: these characters apart, and it was hard to watch because
Speaker 2: we as an audience, we want these characters together. It
Speaker 2: is like that, you know, The Nanny with mister Sheffield,
Speaker 2: which is a terrible I don't know why my analogies
Speaker 2: are so bad today, because you guys probably didn't watch
Speaker 2: The Nanny. Whose characters that you guys grew up watching,
Speaker 2: where there's the will they won't they get together, but
Speaker 2: the audience wants them to be together. Do you guys
Speaker 2: have shows that you watched?
Speaker 4: The first one that comes to mind, and I'm not
Speaker 4: so proud of this is Blake Lively and Penn Badgeling
Speaker 4: and The Girl.
Speaker 2: I just love that you're honest about that. Of course
Speaker 2: people are going to know that.
Speaker 5: I was small Bill Clark Lewis Lane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's the best one is Alex and
Speaker 2: Evan from Secret Life of Us. The first few seasons
Speaker 2: of that. I don't know if you watched it, but
Speaker 2: they weren't really together ever, but there was tension there
Speaker 2: and you wanted them to be together. I guess I've
Speaker 2: deviated so far away from this now. But do you
Speaker 2: guys want these two characters to stay together because we
Speaker 2: could do more seasons of Bump.
Speaker 4: I think my feeling is that the writers don't want to,
Speaker 4: like there's only so much you can kind of keep
Speaker 4: two characters apart, and comes like, Okay, now we're writing.
Speaker 5: A TV show, you know, so be a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think that do I want them ultimately to be together?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like, as Carlos, I can look outside
Speaker 1: of it and I go, I care so much about
Speaker 1: Santi and I want what's best for Sarti and I
Speaker 1: know that like that's with only being ultimately being in
Speaker 1: this family is what's yeah, is what I is what
Speaker 1: I want, yeah to be to have Carlos wants Santy
Speaker 1: to have that.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I do really feel that way, yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 5: I think like I think they're.
Speaker 3: A good match.
Speaker 2: Like I think they are a good match.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what's so interesting is because as
Speaker 1: well is they're so different, and I think that's like
Speaker 1: that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it work though. I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: that's in my life, my partner is an introvert. I
Speaker 2: am extroverted. We both do very different things for work
Speaker 2: with very fundamentally different people, but we do have values
Speaker 2: similar values, and I think that's where it needs to connect.
Speaker 2: You need to be quite different in lots of other ways,
Speaker 2: but family is important for both my partner and I.
Speaker 2: So when those values match up all the things in
Speaker 2: the quirks and stuff that we have different just allows
Speaker 2: us to be quite well suited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they balance each other.
Speaker 4: Like if Ollie didn't have Santi and everything that Santi
Speaker 4: has brought into her life, like his entire family, I
Speaker 4: think she could just I think she could just go
Speaker 4: so far into her head and not have like a
Speaker 4: happy life, but not not be so connected to people.
Speaker 4: And so I think, you know, she's so ambitious that
Speaker 4: she would probably just work.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, there's something to be said about, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's where the dramaized in what you were
Speaker 1: saying about, like the values, and I feel like that's
Speaker 1: what's that's what's interesting that season four is like Oli
Speaker 1: and Santi's values, Like that's that's what they're sort of
Speaker 1: fighting for, that they're fighting for what they believe. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and that's I think in a way,
Speaker 1: it's kind of more interesting than will they want they
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like how, like how how will they right?
Speaker 5: They want it?
Speaker 1: They want to do this, but how are they going
Speaker 1: to do how are they going to navigate it in
Speaker 1: a way that.
Speaker 2: There's some really realistic fighting. By the way, in season four,
Speaker 2: I think anyone who's ever been in a relationship will
Speaker 2: be watching season four and see some some problems about
Speaker 2: And that's what's so amazing about season four to tease,
Speaker 2: this is the best way possible, you guys, as characters
Speaker 2: are exploring things like what it's like to be a
Speaker 2: dad and what it's like to be the woman bringing
Speaker 2: in the money, and these flip the flipping of all
Speaker 2: of that that's really powerful.
Speaker 4: I thought, that's the stuff that breaks up couples more
Speaker 4: so than oh someone you know, someone came to bit
Speaker 4: and created a wedge between them, started flirting with Santi
Speaker 4: and then you know, like it like outside intruders. I
Speaker 4: feel like usually it's like just the little things.
Speaker 2: Like but that's real life. That's what people will see
Speaker 2: these days, and that's the seat. This season does that
Speaker 2: extraordinarily well. It holds a mirror up against us in
Speaker 2: society and about the things that bother us in our
Speaker 2: own relationship, and we're always trying to work out who
Speaker 2: we are and the fact that there's two people in
Speaker 2: a relationship, you know, those things they go bump in
Speaker 2: the night.
Speaker 1: So that's something that we kind of set out to
Speaker 1: do this season. We were like, let's how let's let's
Speaker 1: make this like a little mission of ours to show.
Speaker 5: Like how to show a really realistic betrayal of.
Speaker 1: What a couple who have been together for like seven years,
Speaker 1: seven years and what that looks like.
Speaker 2: I'm running out of time, and I've really not even
Speaker 2: asked half the questions that I prepared, But we've gone
Speaker 2: in a place where I feel really appreciative of how
Speaker 2: open and how honest you guys have been answering these
Speaker 2: questions and exploring relationships and how you two work together.
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting and really quite powerful and.
Speaker 3: Nice for us. Such nice deep questions.
Speaker 1: Questions, because sometimes this stuff can be a little bit
Speaker 1: it's nice to.
Speaker 5: Actually get into the grid of it with someone.
Speaker 2: So thanks, let's have a conversation about it. Well before
Speaker 2: you guys go, I'd have to ask you. There's a
Speaker 2: question I ask everyone who joins the podcast. I don't
Speaker 2: know if one of you wants to take it or
Speaker 2: you both do, but I ask it for every podcast.
Speaker 2: This is three episode, three hundred and sixty one. So
Speaker 2: what is something from behind the scene, something that we
Speaker 2: as an audience won't see, or something we don't know
Speaker 2: that you could share. That's kind of like a behind
Speaker 2: the scenes secret of making Bump great question?
Speaker 3: What is something that happens behind the scene that's really
Speaker 3: cool to share.
Speaker 4: We do shoot Bump a lot quicker than I think
Speaker 4: people think, audiences think. We shoot an episode about every
Speaker 4: three days.
Speaker 2: Wow, so the whole.
Speaker 3: Shoot is about six weeks, seven seven weeks.
Speaker 5: It's always it's always seven weeks, and we end up
Speaker 5: extending it by like one day.
Speaker 3: So ten episodes in thirty five days I think.
Speaker 4: In Yeah, every three and a half days we shoot
Speaker 4: an episode, which some on season four Sundays we shot
Speaker 4: like twelve minutes, which is almost half an episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're moving quick, moving, we move quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it feels like we've we've had to move
Speaker 1: quicker as we've done more seasons, which you would think
Speaker 1: is the opposite. You would think as we do more seasons,
Speaker 1: we get a bigger budget and we have more time.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't work like that anymore, you know, And
Speaker 2: it's sad because you know, scripted drama in Australia to
Speaker 2: me is my jam. It's my favorite thing in the
Speaker 2: whole world. Like, I just feel alive. I think audiences
Speaker 2: feel alive if they take the time to watch it,
Speaker 2: because the scripted drama that we have in this country
Speaker 2: represents who we are. And there's something very powerful about
Speaker 2: seeing yourself on screen, I.
Speaker 5: Think, hmmmm, And and you don't want to when.
Speaker 1: I think we're aware of that, We're aware of that
Speaker 1: sort of responsibility that we have, and I think we
Speaker 1: feel it's sometimes it's a bit stressful because we don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of time and we want.
Speaker 5: To do that justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it can, it can, And I don't one
Speaker 1: thing is I feel like it's just Australian productions in general,
Speaker 1: but we don't we don't get a lot of time.
Speaker 5: I don't get a lot of time on anything that
Speaker 5: I work on here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I feel like some people love that. I don't.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Claudia likes that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Claudia likes it. Okay, we're on, Like, let's.
Speaker 2: Go, let's get it done.
Speaker 3: And move on. You know, let's keep it, because you're
Speaker 3: saying she likes that challenge.
Speaker 5: She did that. Petrol was Lena, right, and it was
Speaker 5: like long setups.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I had what's his name? Oh, and I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with him, Ryan Kare. I had Ryan Kare on
Speaker 2: the podcast to talk about his role in Limbo and
Speaker 2: he came straight from doing like the Game of Thrones prequel,
Speaker 2: and so he was saying that some shots, some scenes
Speaker 2: would take three days to set up, and he was like,
Speaker 2: it's so good to come back to Australia and shoot.
Speaker 2: And yeah, He's like, there's something very stilted about just
Speaker 2: getting three lines of dialogue out because the sets and
Speaker 2: the the lighting and all of this and the locations
Speaker 2: takes precedents.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 4: Something that I really like about Bump is that I
Speaker 4: don't have any downtime. I'm not I'm not like sitting
Speaker 4: in my chair for eight hours waiting to.
Speaker 1: Go on set.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Once once we're on set, it's.
Speaker 2: Like go, go, go and do it.
Speaker 5: It's action, next one, next one.
Speaker 4: There's A fun fact that we can tell you about,
Speaker 4: but making a bump I feel like a fun fact
Speaker 4: is that we've had pretty much the same crew for
Speaker 4: four seasons, like very similar directors, ads, the camera cinematographers.
Speaker 4: Margie Beattie, who was our first ad for the first
Speaker 4: two seasons, directed an episode in season three. There's been
Speaker 4: a lot of like crew being lifted up through the
Speaker 4: show creator has stepped up as a producer.
Speaker 3: What else I feel like the other people have.
Speaker 2: Been I think there's some good secrets in there, and
Speaker 2: I'm happy with it. I'm happy that I'm very happy
Speaker 2: with the track. Guys. I literally this is as I
Speaker 2: said to you, fantasy was the wrong term. This is
Speaker 2: my ultimate bump.
Speaker 5: I don't know the right show man. You own that,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 2: It's my fantasy to sit here and talk to you
Speaker 2: two people about this particular show. Like I am obsessed
Speaker 2: with this show and I know so many people who
Speaker 2: love it just as much as I do. So I
Speaker 2: just want to say thank you both so much for
Speaker 2: your generosity with your time and yeah and chatting chatting
Speaker 2: with me today, It's been surreal.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys go, I'll chat to you later,