WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - MASTERCHEF AUSTRALIA - SUE 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.600 TV Reload the podcast last week. Alf Hey guys, welcome 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.800 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:11.600 clicking and downloading on today's episode with Sue, the eleventh 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.240 eliminated contestant from Master Chef Australia, which is now on 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.959 Network ten from Sundays through to Wednesday nights. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.759 At seven point thirty, married to her high. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.880 School's sweetheart Glenn for thirty three years and together for 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.400 forty three, Sue is an extraordinary mum to her son 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.840 and daughter. Most recently, Sue was the head of customer 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.960 experience for a building company, but when it's collapse left 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.920 her unexpectedly unemployed, she was able to reassess her priorities. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.920 With the encouragement from everyone at home. Sue took on 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.320 the Master Chef kitchen, and while we didn't always see 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.159 a lot of her, I actually think that audiences really 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.680 connected with her story. I loved catching up with Sue 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.120 today and I'm sure that you will enjoy this chat, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.480 which gives a whole new Sue for us to fall 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.240 in love with. Sue will talk about her invisibility. She 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.040 thought of that nickname if she felt invisible in the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.800 kitchen during filming, and how she turned spotting herself into 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.720 a game at home. We will also unpack the reasons 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.440 why contestants this year have been falling in love with Poe, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.880 who seems to be most of my guests this year's 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.960 favorite judge. I will also ask about Sue's children, who 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.600 she wanted to inspire and what it meant to them 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.920 to see her take part in the show. We will 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.440 also discuss the behind the scenes relationship with Samait and 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.000 how they bonded and kept themselves busy between filming. There's 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.679 actually so much to unpack with Sue, and I kind 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.440 of run out of time and didn't get a chance 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.400 to ask anything about Curtistone, which I feel really silly 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.480 about now. But guys, sit back and relax as we 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.160 do unpack the wonderful world of Master Chef Australia. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:47.440 Invisible. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.480 Sue, Hi Hi, I'm very much here. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.120 I know it, but I wanted to know that. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.240 So the first thing that I wanted to ask you 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.640 was like, what did you make of this nickname that 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.640 Australia seemed to have given you? 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:00.960 Is that a surprise? 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:06.040 I found it really quite funny and hilarious, and therefore 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.600 I embraced it. I mean, I've got a sense of humor, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.960 I'm self deprecating, I'm not afraid to having giggle at 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.720 things like that, and so I just lean into it. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:17.760 I quite enjoyed it, to be honest. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.960 So people felt more personal about your invisibility than other contestants. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.919 And you know, it's really funny because I was reading 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.399 on a forum and people have clocked this is how 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.000 much time people have. People have clocked screen time to 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.320 see how long people are on the show, and you're 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.519 not even at the bottom of the list. You've actually 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.919 had more screen time than some other people. However, Australia 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:38.720 is outraged. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.560 Well, Australia should know that. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.280 I'm very happy and the whole experience, you know, as 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.120 far as I'm concerned, was. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.160 A positive one. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.240 So that just added a little bit more color to 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.480 it if you liked honestly, you know, playing Where's Wally 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:56.480 with myself? 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.800 It's quite cool, isn't it. I was noticed because I 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:01.240 was there some of the time. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.360 Did you see some of the Facebook forums where like 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.320 people would circle you in the background, Did you see that. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.320 I caught a couple of things I tried not to 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:10.160 look at too much. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:11.079 I would warn. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.200 Don't go there, you know, but the things I did 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.239 see I laughed out loud and my family laughed. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.520 I've got a theory, and that is that because you 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.240 sort of represent and I'm going, this is my this 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.640 is my weird thought on it, but because you kind 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.040 of represent the mum, you know, I think people took 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:30.880 it personally. I think people saw you as the mum 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.320 and they thought about their own mums or something like that, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:34.079 and they wanted more. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.000 Maybe you might be onto something there. I'm not sure, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.200 but yeah I was. I was well chuffed. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.640 To think that people were looking out for me. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.520 And caring and wanting to see more, and they got more. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.119 It came full circle and that's wonderful. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:49.520 You know. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.400 My partner loved you, and like we're watching the episode 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.640 your Final Cook and he kept saying, who does Sue 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.960 sound like? Sue? Sounds like someone? And he was saying like, Asha, Ketty, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.920 do you know who actually candy in? Yeah, just from offspring. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:05.880 I couldn't hear that. I couldn't hear it, but I 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.240 was like, have you ever been told before that you 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:09.080 sound like someone? 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.200 No? No, no, only my sisters. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.400 We've all got the same kind of voice, and yeah, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.320 so yes, but not not as sure. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:18.920 And she's gorgeous, so that's a compliment. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.200 Okay, take it. Take that one. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.000 Did you feel like that might happen when you were 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.440 filming the show, that there was a possibility that maybe 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.359 you weren't as loud as some of the other people, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.960 or there was a possibility that you might get lost 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.680 in the crowd. I mean, I've got a theory that 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.680 you just cooked in the middle of the cooks, so 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.479 you weren't the worst cook, and you weren't the best cook, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.040 so I felt like you you just were consistently cooking 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:41.640 in the middle the whole time. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.120 I think I put up dishes. I'm very proud of. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.400 I figured myself out while I was on there, and 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.279 one of the questions I found very difficult to answer. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.840 What I always asked is what is your strength in cooking? 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.640 Like what is it that you do? 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.680 And I could never answer that because I I feel 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.599 like I glowed trot so I'm not deep into one cuisine. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.680 I feel like I'm a big lifelong learner and I 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:08.240 love learning new techniques, and so my cooking is technical 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:09.680 and it's it's sort of. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:11.720 Across a globe trot. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.800 I cook across a range of things, and so I 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:21.760 don't think I necessarily stood out like I probably could 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.440 have if I had a real like I did Japanese 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:25.960 food really well or something like that. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.880 So you're right, you know, yeah, I didn't have a title, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:31.960 you know what I mean. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.160 So when there's twenty two contestants, they can't show everybody. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.320 So it's really if you're if you're at the bottom, interesting, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.359 what's gone wrong? If you're at the top, Wow, what 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.800 have they done? That's so amazing? And so you're right 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.320 middle of the road doesn't necessarily make the cut. 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.679 If you go back, you'll be like trying to create, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:52.520 you know, like a brand. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.760 You'd be like, I've got to. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.280 You know, hang my hat on something so that they 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.040 have to pull through for the narrative. Anyway, that's too complicated. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.400 Be yourself, you know. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.320 That's it, And I think you have to just be 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.240 authentic and I was, and I feel that was the 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.000 right sort of way to go. And I didn't really 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.719 think anything of it during the shooting of Master Chef. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.039 I just went in there, loved every minute. Literally can't 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.120 fold the experience. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.559 So I felt like they were bastards for sending you home. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.280 Like I'm I've got a bit of a cold at 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.359 the moment, so I feel like I'm being ruthless with you. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.440 But you know, like when you were talking to the 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.200 judges and you said how much it meant for you 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.880 to still be in the competition, and that how much 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.120 being in the competition and doing well meant to you, 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.920 and that they sent you home, I was like, this 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.719 is the this is kind of cruel. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.760 Thank you for sort of feeling that for me. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.920 Look, I feel like it has to have to go 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.200 go again to somebody. You know, I'm calling it my annihilation, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.279 not my own elimination. You've got to see the humor 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.400 in these things. You know, I've lost nothing doing this. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:07.080 I've gained everything. And so were they cruel? Well, look, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.400 I did the worst cook so I had to go home. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.320 It was at least like Curtises and therefore, you know, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.600 I had to bow out, so literally I did bow 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:15.320 as a left. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:15.640 Yeah. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.720 But as the Invisible Sue sort of name came up. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.600 It was funny because I brought it up on this 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.200 podcast with some of the other participants. You know, some 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.520 of the other contestants and they sung your praises like 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.520 I remember, I can't remember exactly who it was, but 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.520 one of the girls was like, I love Sue's cooking, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.720 like it's amazing, and you know, she was just really surprised, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:37.760 and then it sort of made me wonder, And I 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.720 guess that's what most people would wonder. You know, do 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:45.000 some contestants get more favored because they're louder or more possible? 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:46.240 I don't think so. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.280 Look, I mean, we're in a competition, but it's also 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.320 a TV program, and I guess the most there's so 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.560 much less thousands and thousands of hours across twenty two 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.760 contestants and then you know, four judges and guests people 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.200 coming in. There's lots of exciting things going on, and 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.640 there's lots of the exciting things that don't. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.080 Make it to air. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.240 So they can only p you can choose a certain amount. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.560 And so that's just the way the mop flops, my friend. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.440 I'll take it. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.960 Yeah, you know, that's just how it is. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.240 And maybe they can lose these judges. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.880 There's too much screen time for them, you know what 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.640 I mean, Like there's four of them now, there's too many. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.400 So fascinating. It was fascinating to watch. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.080 Did you get along with them? Because you know, it's funny. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.160 I've been asking everyone and normally I finish the podcast 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.040 with this question, but I feel like it's appropriate to 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.880 ask it now. But like, did you particularly connect to 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.480 maybe one judge over another? 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:44.720 I did, And you're going to say I absolutely connected 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.720 with Poe. I just she is so authentic and so 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.679 kind and just the perfect judge to have on there 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.280 for contestants because because she she like she can only 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.800 say so much as a judge, but she just I call. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.400 Her my fairy godmother because in a time of need. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.280 She just happened to pop up and she'd say one 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.880 thing like you've got this, or you can do it, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:09.760 You've got time. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.720 You know, she was It's believable, you know what I mean, Like, yes, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.640 that's a really hard thing to do on a show 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.280 when you're in that sort of position to be so present, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.920 and I think that's what he does really well. I 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.320 was watching her. I don't know if you saw it, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.160 but did you see her? She was on I didn't 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.760 hear the podcast, but she was recording a podcast with 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.679 chrisy Swan and I just loved the interaction between those 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.400 two women because those two women are very authentic and 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.840 very real. And I will listen to that podcast at 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.560 some point, but I just I love the idea of 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.520 those two women sitting down and talking with. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:44.520 Somebody who's authentic. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.439 You don't feel like you need to be anybody but 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.600 yourself because they are, and you kind of mirror that, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:50.240 don't you think? 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:50.760 Of course? 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.360 So yeah, I just so I'll just flat out say 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.960 her with them, and I loved the others, but she 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:57.880 was just special. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.600 Yeah, yeah, she's standing out because like and I feel like, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.199 you know, I don't know if it's been a long 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:03.760 time for me, because I'm forty four, I don't know 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:04.600 how long it has. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:05.000 Been for you. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.600 But do you remember when you were at school and 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:09.959 you always tried to do your best, so you'd look 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.120 at the teacher for approval, you know what I mean? 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.640 And so I feel like that's what I see with Poe. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.680 Like I feel like i'd be cooking and looking for 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.559 that approval and she gives it, you know what I mean, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.959 Like she actually is acknowledging what you're doing. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.320 Yes, yeah, that's right. And she's a judge, but she's 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.840 not listen. Might not make sense to you, but she's 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.679 a judge, but she's not judgmental. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.600 Does that make sense? She kind of yeah, I'll leave 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.720 it at that. But she's just very Oh gosh, she's 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.640 a one in a million chub of a woman. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.160 And yeah, I love her. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.000 I wish she could be my bestie. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.560 I'm sure she will be. I'm sure she will be. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.480 You know, I think it was Lachlan but who chopped 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.000 his finger? And it made me think about is chopping 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.880 off your finger kind of like an immunity pin? Like 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.360 what happens if you have like an accident? Will they 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:59.720 pull you out of the cook Do you know what 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:00.480 happened that? 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.800 I think it would have to be pretty severe to 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.280 do that. But no, they they're on standby. It happens 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.080 all the time and they work as quickly as I can. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.880 But it's not just cut burns as well, lots of 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.280 burns and that sort of thing. But well, I think 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.120 if you were that injured, you wouldn't be able to 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:19.400 go on. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:20.760 Look at one one. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.600 One's incredible because he had really bad burns. You probably recall, Yeah, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.679 but he was strapped up and he was in there, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.680 so it's got to be pretty bad for you to 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:32.559 not be able to cook. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.719 I just chop off my think if that was if 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.880 that was a rule, I'd be like, that's a strategy. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.440 Not a good one, not a good one. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.040 Probably not a good one, not for long. Jem, you're pinky, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:45.920 You're pinky, not your thumb. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.040 Or something you could lose. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.760 How did you feel going into the Black Apron challenge 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.240 with the Orange team? You know, did you have a 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.160 sense of doom or did you think, oh god, I 0:11:58.200 --> 0:11:59.920 should have been in the other team, Like how did 0:11:59.920 --> 0:12:01.160 you feel about that? Oh? 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.160 You know what, that's really interesting because when we got split, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.120 Normally when you get split into teams, you see it's 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.440 a team challenge, you pull an aprint out of a bag, 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.400 right a sack, and you go, oh, I hope I'm 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.760 on Science Tho's team. And I really wanted to be 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.560 if it was a team challenge, I really wanted to 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.280 be on it with my bestie to meet. And when 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.040 they split us down the middle, it was Green one 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.240 side and Orange on the other, and I wasn't on 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:24.760 her team. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.079 I was like, oh my god. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.199 I think you can even see it on that episode 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.160 where we look at each other and go, oh no, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.240 and so but I felt at this point everybody's good, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.920 you know, everybody. You could be with anybody and come 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.640 up with be the winning team. So the end of 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.920 the day, you just got to work together and not 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.720 dwell on. I wish I was with this person or 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.080 that person, and they're all damn good in their own right. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.960 They will bring something different to the table in their 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.720 own way. So I had a fantastic team. I think 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.480 it was great, but I would have loved to have 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:58.160 been with the meat. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:12:59.840 I didn't see that. 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.079 I can hear it. Isn't it cool though, that you 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.000 made it this far? Like that's pretty cool, you know. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.280 Oh gosh, I keep bringing it back because yes, there's 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.400 disappointment because you want to go further and further. But 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.040 I honestly, it took a lot of courage for me 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.640 to apply, and so when I got an audition email, 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.000 I lipped my lid. I went, bloody hell, they've chosen me. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:24.240 I can't believe it. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.720 Why, Like I'm knuck at a special. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.800 And so from there, really every step further was gold 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.000 for me. I felt like I'd won every day that 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.319 I went back into that kitchen, and it didn't matter 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.319 whether I was wearing a black apron or a colored 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.680 apron or whatever. I was just in there, living my 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.920 best life. And I couldn't want the spot off my 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:48.120 face until last night. So it really felt like I 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.800 could hold. I really could see myself picking up at 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.640 the trophy because every day I went in and I 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.160 came out again alive. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.560 I thought, oh, why can't I do tomorrow? Why can't 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:57.920 I do the next book? Why not? 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.240 So I gained a lot of belief in myself, and 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.240 each person around us gave each other courage, and that 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:10.280 was really nice because as a group, your your competitors. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:11.520 So everyone's so. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.559 Kind legitimately kind to one another when they do a 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.400 great cook and they get, you know, to stand on 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.600 the gantry, or they do a bad cook and they're 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.760 going into a black aprin cook. So ah, man, I've 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.360 never experienced anything like that in my entire life. And 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.160 I doubt that I have a will unless I go 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.400 back to wind, which I hope I will. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.840 Wonder maybe you will, maybe you will, And there are 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.880 other things. You know. It's strange because the sense of 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.120 being on television gives something like this a heightened sense 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.720 of importance. But there are other things in our world 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.320 that all can do, you know. And I think that's 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.400 what I try and say to people a lot, you know, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.120 because people be sort of living in the past with 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.720 their experience, where it's important to acknowledge it and feel 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.320 proud of it and then look for new story. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.200 You know what I mean, wouldn't agree more. And that's 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:58.680 sort of what I'm going through now, right. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:04.400 Yeah, it's disappointment, but at the same time a lot 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.520 of And that's why talking to somebody like you was 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.720 great because you do this synopsis of it and you go, wow, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.560 that was really cool. But that's like, I didn't go 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.760 on there to be famous or a celebrity or anything 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.600 like that. It was really about me. I don't want 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.160 to die wondering. I've wanted to go on that show. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.360 I've played a long at home since season one. Wow, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:25.440 and every. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.560 Year I thought, oh gosh, how cool would that be? 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.440 But I've got to go back to my corporate job 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:31.360 on Monday sort of thing. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.400 And so for me now, I'm not going back on 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.680 into that corporate life. That has broken the that's a 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:39.680 circuit break for me. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.880 I now can I'm not thinking of retiring. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.920 I should be I'm thinking of what can I build 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.720 in a life that surround I'm surrounded by food and people, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.800 and so that's the win. You know, it's not about 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.240 you know, being a celebrity or anything like that, or 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:56.760 being on TV. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.040 Well, who wants to be a celebrity anyway, because I mean, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.480 you'd know this because you get recognized when you're on 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.840 a show like this, and it's not the same thing 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.080 as what you think it would be. Like I remember thinking, oh, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:08.880 I want to be like you know when you're young. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.600 I'd be like, oh, I wonder what it's like to 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.080 have people look at me like that. And then when 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.880 it happened, I remember it was like, after a week 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.400 or two, I actually loathed it. I give me back 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.160 my anonymity. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.160 You know what I mean, Ben, I'm not going to 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.480 have that problem. I don't think anyone's going to recognize me, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:30.040 you know what. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:30.480 I think. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.080 I'm going to try not to cry with this because 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.640 this is and you're like, what are you going to 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.840 ask me? But I wanted to ask you about what 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.000 your children's thought, because I loved that moment on the 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.320 show where you were talking about showing your kids that 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.040 they can do things and I think that resonated with 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.080 a lot of people. You hear it in my voice, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.520 I just cry. I'm a very in emotional person. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.760 But yeah, I mean hearing you say that it makes 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:58.480 me my love Alice Waiver. Yeah, this is my this 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.280 is my little trigger point when I asked about that. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.200 They're the most beautiful children. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.720 They've really had struggles and they're adults now and the 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.120 roles have reversed. So I think for me, I went 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.840 through life I suppressed a lot of things I wanted 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.280 to do, and I didn't follow I didn't go after 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.120 my dreams. I kind of I think I just wanted 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.240 to do the normal stuff, whereas really I'm not wired 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.520 that way. And so for my children, I've always said 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.040 to them, whatever you want to do, I don't mind 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.640 what your grades are. Just try your best, and whatever 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.840 you want to do in life, I will back you. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.439 And so they started saying that to me. You know, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.199 they said, Mom, you go do this. You've always want 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.600 to do this, and you go do this. And so 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.240 that chokes me up because it's a lovely thing to 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.840 raise children. And then they tune around and they kind 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.159 of roll first a little bit, and they're look them 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:54.960 out for you now. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.040 Beautiful. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.280