Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: Hear you, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Flex and Frooms. I'm currently looking for a
Speaker 1: little bit of chocolate. I every time we come in here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like ferociously looking for the chocolate.
Speaker 4: A wow. Just hit me odd because we're talking about
Speaker 4: period trackers. But you said you're one day away from ovulating,
Speaker 4: So I guess I.
Speaker 3: Do what you want, killing it, killing it.
Speaker 4: As always, we don't really have an update from for
Speaker 4: me about the neighbor who left the bin bin juice
Speaker 4: being outside the bar, but there is another apartment update.
Speaker 4: It involves an aggressive noe one that threw me wrote
Speaker 4: you'll find out soon.
Speaker 3: Here's the party.
Speaker 1: You're listening to, Flex and Frooms, m Kata.
Speaker 2: The other day, I was having quite a pieceful morning.
Speaker 2: The birds were chirping et al.
Speaker 1: I trot down my little.
Speaker 2: Hallway to the front door of the fourier of my building.
Speaker 2: Why do I see a note? And instantly a rush
Speaker 2: of panic envelopes my body and I think have I
Speaker 2: done something wrong?
Speaker 3: What was it? Said?
Speaker 2: Unit seven on a four paper? Yeah, babe, it's written.
Speaker 2: It says Unit seven. I'm not Unit seven, thankfully, but
Speaker 2: it is rather close. Some would say, please turn down
Speaker 2: your music next time you have an afters till seven am.
Speaker 1: I said, is that the.
Speaker 3: Extent of the note?
Speaker 1: That's it?
Speaker 3: You said this was an aggressive note?
Speaker 1: That's aggressive? Is it that? Having said got you cap sluck?
Speaker 1: It's ripped out of a page?
Speaker 3: So how else?
Speaker 4: Okay, what would be the appropriate way to get the
Speaker 4: response you need?
Speaker 2: It would be Unit seven, appreciate that you're having an afters.
Speaker 2: It sounded really fun, but next time when it gets
Speaker 2: to seven am, turn it down.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 4: That's not working on me if I'm Unit seven. I
Speaker 4: got near it until seven am, and then I got
Speaker 4: a gentle reminder to turn the music down for next time.
Speaker 4: It's out of my brain as quickly as I read it.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes you need a little bit of fear
Speaker 4: and discomfort to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Well, I've got two questions. Number one, should the person
Speaker 1: who wrote the note sign off? Sign off?
Speaker 2: Because now I feel like we're all bullying Unit seven.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even there to listen. I quite would have
Speaker 2: enjoyed a little bit of party.
Speaker 1: In the middle. It's been a bit flat lately, it's
Speaker 1: been a bit flat of lately.
Speaker 2: However, I get home, I read the note, I go
Speaker 2: to have a little chill time on the couch.
Speaker 1: Why is it one pm? And there's a man howling
Speaker 1: like a wolf? Interimiately, he goes, oh.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in my house and go oh, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: if someone having it, like in the building somewhere opposite
Speaker 2: my apartment.
Speaker 1: I hear a man howling and also barking like a dog.
Speaker 2: Okay, kink getting seven am psychosis and we've all.
Speaker 3: Been there, so we just the man go to the
Speaker 3: barking phase of the trip.
Speaker 2: Anyway, all I'll say is I would have loved the
Speaker 2: interconnected drama had they put sign off Unit four.
Speaker 1: No way, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Would you never sign off? It's like, yeah, everyone trust
Speaker 4: no one?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: See what I mean now that I think we're all bullying them,
Speaker 2: But I don't know how where was I?
Speaker 4: If you sign off the note, it feels personal, and
Speaker 4: I think the person who wrote the note wanted to
Speaker 4: feel civic, like, this is your responsibility as a person
Speaker 4: who lives in a place where other people live.
Speaker 3: Turn the music down.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what music they listening to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, send them a note follow up?
Speaker 2: So, hey, you know seven, can I get the track
Speaker 2: ID four IM four twenty am.
Speaker 4: That was a banger. Comprehension is open. We've got a
Speaker 4: big thought for you. A couple of weeks ago before
Speaker 4: we went on break from me and now we're discussing period
Speaker 4: tracking apps. You may or may not know. I'm very
Speaker 4: into my menstrual cycle turn twenty nine. Got bored of
Speaker 4: not knowing that every month, the aggressive diarrhea mood swings
Speaker 4: was a signal that I was going to get my period,
Speaker 4: and so now I'm into cycle sinking and understanding what
Speaker 4: I need to be doing at different parts of my
Speaker 4: cycle to optimize myself. Maybe my best self, be my
Speaker 4: favorite self.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: This interest has caused me to encourage friends of mine
Speaker 4: to download period tracking apps so we can share this
Speaker 4: information so I can be more mindful about where they
Speaker 4: are and what they're feeling. But it's out of this
Speaker 4: conversation about what things in our life should be payballed.
Speaker 4: As you know, everything is a subscription model. These days,
Speaker 4: we're going to own nothing and be happy. I took
Speaker 4: the question to the internet and said, okay, given that
Speaker 4: things are going to cost us, and we seem to
Speaker 4: be in a bit of a dispute about what things
Speaker 4: should be paywalled. Let's talk about it today. The answers
Speaker 4: will confuse you and concern you. But here's what I
Speaker 4: discovered overall, based on the people in my dms on Instagram,
Speaker 4: they said, the things that should be paywalled include, but
Speaker 4: are not limited to, anything being informed by an expert
Speaker 4: in their field.
Speaker 3: Well where.
Speaker 4: They said Jim progress pics. I have a friend he
Speaker 4: only posts his g updates on the close friends little
Speaker 4: treat for us like that, it's good to see it's
Speaker 4: going well. Adult content, adult sexual content, cultural education specifically,
Speaker 4: anything that's like inherently quite traumatic. People shouldn't be retraumatized
Speaker 4: for freeze the logic behind that if anything that costs
Speaker 4: the person or they had to put a particularly egregious
Speaker 4: amount of effort into producing anything that requires labor and
Speaker 4: has a strategy behind it. Now, this feels like two
Speaker 4: very extreme ends of spectrums, from adult sexual content to
Speaker 4: gym progress pictures. But somebody sent us a really really
Speaker 4: amazing voice memo on their opinion, and I think we
Speaker 4: should all listen to it right now.
Speaker 3: Place hello on what in our lives should be paywared.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, is it a fair model to be like
Speaker 5: any dynamic where me, the consumer the audience wants to
Speaker 5: know a detailed information about you that I would otherwise
Speaker 5: need to have invested time, vulnerability, discomfort, conversations, conflict to
Speaker 5: have gotten to know about you in like a one
Speaker 5: to one interpersonal direct relationship with you. If I'm asking
Speaker 5: to know that about you with that I call that
Speaker 5: other stuff, then money is what needs to be invested.
Speaker 5: That could be anything as like do you have siblings?
Speaker 3: I love living under a flight path? Or do that
Speaker 3: to yah?
Speaker 4: Won't it give me marri feel? But there's something to that.
Speaker 4: And you know, when we talk about paywalling, could be
Speaker 4: anything from subscriptions to mood tickets. Let's not go to detailed.
Speaker 4: This person in particular is talking about content and this
Speaker 4: idea that people want increasing levels of intimacy for free
Speaker 4: and for free and for free. If you weren't going
Speaker 4: to get this information from me, had we not have
Speaker 4: had some kind of vulnerable conversation, emotional conversation, there was
Speaker 4: some conflict involved or whatever, or this mutual exchange, maybe
Speaker 4: you should pay for access. Maybe I don't know we're
Speaker 4: still we're workshopping. It's early days. I love this flex.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that voice note whoever sent that, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Shout out recently everybody, I got interested in my cycle
Speaker 2: twin my period cycle, mynstral cycle, the time of the month,
Speaker 2: and I recently learned if you get your period, your
Speaker 2: hormone cycle is across.
Speaker 3: Twenty eight days.
Speaker 4: If you have an average hormone cycle, please, if you've
Speaker 4: got PCOS.
Speaker 3: Zone, come for the girls please.
Speaker 4: Whereas if you assist man, it's twenty four hours. Do
Speaker 4: with that information what you will.
Speaker 2: I'm still get to go more into what it means
Speaker 2: for assists man to have twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: Side start with understanding yours as a priority. We'll get
Speaker 3: to that letter.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that, but I would like to get
Speaker 2: to that as something.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're definitely gonna get We need we need a
Speaker 3: man on the show, but we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't, but no, I think it would be nice.
Speaker 3: No man.
Speaker 4: Producer Mickey is convinced that we can't have a man
Speaker 4: on the show because they would hate us. Think we
Speaker 4: create quite a safe space for this man to flourish.
Speaker 4: But you've been downloading period tracker apps and have been
Speaker 4: distressed at what you've uncovered?
Speaker 2: Absolutely so here I am plotting along every single day, diligent,
Speaker 2: diligently extra bloats today.
Speaker 1: What's your mood? Headache? Sex drive? Have you done anything naughty?
Speaker 3: Not naughty?
Speaker 1: Naughty? Playing but not?
Speaker 3: Can you plan?
Speaker 1: Plank? Have you plate? Have you pleaded with yourself.
Speaker 3: With a partner, with a partner? Not you blushing? Grow up?
Speaker 1: Stop it?
Speaker 2: So run through anyway here I am tracking all of
Speaker 2: my stuff, being so excited. Then I see an article
Speaker 2: on pedestrian TV and it says that certain period trackers.
Speaker 1: Are selling your data.
Speaker 2: The data is not safe and they can be used
Speaker 2: perhaps to up your insurance premiums or do all sorts
Speaker 2: of unto.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's read the headline concerning unsafe and unfair
Speaker 4: expert slam. Popular period track apps are being dodgy ap
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. As someone who believes that privacy
Speaker 4: is a myth, even though I'm anti doc sing, it
Speaker 4: doesn't surprise me that this data is being used. As
Speaker 4: we have said before and many have said before us,
Speaker 4: if the app is free, you are the product. But
Speaker 4: in this case, if you're paying for the app. You
Speaker 4: also might be the product when they sell your data.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, guys, I got very up in arms about this
Speaker 2: article instantly message the.
Speaker 4: App the app in question question Karen is not just
Speaker 4: a meme for for me, it's a way of life.
Speaker 2: I said, Hello, I recently downloaded redacted app using the
Speaker 2: paid subscription.
Speaker 1: However, have just read some alarming.
Speaker 2: News about your app and what a refund and for
Speaker 2: all my.
Speaker 1: Data to be deleted? Please please let me know how best.
Speaker 3: Please, I'm back.
Speaker 1: And now you know now I don't want to delete
Speaker 1: the app. Huh?
Speaker 2: Then then we would we would messing on WhatsApp and
Speaker 2: Plex says, oh, don't worry about this, and I'm oh god,
Speaker 2: okay sent that email on Hi Lucinda, thank you for
Speaker 2: using this app and contacting us.
Speaker 4: We're sorry to hear that you experienced difficulties with subscription
Speaker 4: cancelation and we're here to help you. Then they proceed
Speaker 4: to give through me instructions on how to unsubscribe and
Speaker 4: request a refund, and did not give any information on
Speaker 4: how to.
Speaker 3: Remove all your data from the app.
Speaker 4: This feels like a stock, standard copy and paste moment.
Speaker 4: This doesn't feel sincere or custom. It's definitely not bespoke
Speaker 4: and it's not one of one. You can't trust any
Speaker 4: of these apps because they're not going to be truthful
Speaker 4: about what they're using it or how they're using it.
Speaker 4: And like you said, the levels of exploitation are exponential.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I do. Why did you create this app?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because you care about people knowing when their periods are
Speaker 4: remiss to not share that the app in question if
Speaker 4: you want to do a bit of research for yourself.
Speaker 4: We have done our legal training kind of know that
Speaker 4: defamation is something that we're not comfortable with. But this
Speaker 4: is a popular period tracking app that also came under
Speaker 4: fire during Roe v. Wade about how they were using
Speaker 4: this information to dos people who were receiving illegal abortions.
Speaker 4: It's very important information to know whether you do or
Speaker 4: do not have a period. I think it's very fascinating
Speaker 4: that a big part of the population is going through
Speaker 4: something that is just which.
Speaker 3: Is really amazing to know, like we're all having such
Speaker 3: a shared experience. We all feel so separate. No, babes,
Speaker 3: if you're ovulating, I know exactly what you're going through. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know exactly.
Speaker 1: I think I am right now.
Speaker 4: Just show so jealous would it would I'm currently mentuating,
Speaker 4: but you know it's neither here nor They'll get through it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you for listening, and we
Speaker 4: will continue to talk about this. If you feel like
Speaker 4: it's gone over your head, don't stress. Life is like
Speaker 4: a recorder.
Speaker 1: It never stops.
Speaker 6: Frumno through me, boo, Mommy likes mom.
Speaker 2: You're listening to flex and Rooms on.
Speaker 4: Cater Fear not everyone. We're not talking about athleticism. We're
Speaker 4: talking about philosophy and psychology in a way that you'll enjoy,
Speaker 4: I promise.
Speaker 3: You from me.
Speaker 4: You have you heard of the swimmers fallacy? Absolutely not
Speaker 4: swimmers fallacy. It's also called the swimmer's body illusion. It's
Speaker 4: a cognitive bias. It's basically a system error in your
Speaker 4: brain that makes you view the world slightly different to
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 3: The world actually is.
Speaker 4: We all experience cognitive biases, right, So this one is
Speaker 4: basically where you attribute a trait, a physical trait, a
Speaker 4: character trait to a certain activity and not the way.
Speaker 3: Somebody actually is.
Speaker 4: So you know how people look at the bodies of
Speaker 4: swimmers and they say, if I want to have broad
Speaker 4: shoulders and a lean body and be tall, I need
Speaker 4: to start swimming more, right, And if I want to
Speaker 4: be really proficient at swimming, I need to swim a lot.
Speaker 3: Get that body.
Speaker 4: I'll be better, not considering that maybe all the competitive
Speaker 4: swimmers that you're looking at are competitive swimmers because their
Speaker 4: bodies are made in a way that makes it easier.
Speaker 3: For them to be good at that activity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And so what happens is that we as a people,
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to not just sport, but the
Speaker 4: way we viewed success and the way that we view
Speaker 4: optimized people. People who are really good at what they do,
Speaker 4: we assume that they get good and then they do right.
Speaker 4: So that person got good at public speaking because they
Speaker 4: work in social media, or.
Speaker 1: They work in social media.
Speaker 3: Because they're good at public speaking.
Speaker 1: They're getting up right.
Speaker 4: That person must have gotten their social skills from working
Speaker 4: in bartending, or they were drawn to the industry because
Speaker 4: they're social. And the tricky thing about it is, you know,
Speaker 4: of course, everything is on an individual basis. You can't
Speaker 4: really know the ins and out of why someone is
Speaker 4: good or what we can attribute their success to. But
Speaker 4: I think it's a really simple way to like snap
Speaker 4: yourself out of this idea that the reason why you
Speaker 4: don't have this thing that you desire, is because you're
Speaker 4: not capable or you don't have the makeup. It's like
Speaker 4: sometimes it's just the reality of the situation. And I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm on my journey of trying to not
Speaker 4: oversimplify things but just like simplify it and think, oh,
Speaker 4: my goodness, perhaps that person is good at that.
Speaker 3: Because like they're just built that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's a real human error to
Speaker 4: see something just because we can see it, we can
Speaker 4: be it. I think, like I've heard that quote, if
Speaker 4: you can see it, can achieve it in some ways. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 4: but to the level of excellence that you're observing, maybe
Speaker 4: just not built that way.
Speaker 3: And that's also, okay.
Speaker 2: A soothing to me, right, Okay, to know like what
Speaker 2: is within your bounds.
Speaker 4: Yes, And also you can turn it on yourself, like
Speaker 4: you know how. For me, when people ask me a
Speaker 4: lot about career success, right, I always say, now, like
Speaker 4: I don't like to do hard work. That will work hard,
Speaker 4: but I don't like to do hard work. And like
Speaker 4: I'm very specific about the work that I do. Now
Speaker 4: it's like not pushing myself outside of my comfort zone.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to learn some random jarg and to
Speaker 4: go do some random hosting gig. It's just not what
Speaker 4: I want to do because I'm well aware of what
Speaker 4: I'm good at, and I'll just double down on that,
Speaker 4: as opposed to being like, because I'm so good at
Speaker 4: plenty of things, I'll just learn another skill.
Speaker 3: Not today, please, I want to be comfortable.
Speaker 4: So you want to do some extra googling the swimmers fallacy,
Speaker 4: the swimmer's body illusion, or just google any cognitive bias,
Speaker 4: and I swear it'll make your life easier.
Speaker 3: We all fall for it. Crazy. It's a myth.
Speaker 2: We often get little tiny voice notes or perhaps little
Speaker 2: paragraphs on our Instagram page. It's flex and frooms. The
Speaker 2: moderator is Mickeyani how much beloved and not benign?
Speaker 3: Whoa?
Speaker 1: WHOA?
Speaker 3: Malign?
Speaker 1: Malignant?
Speaker 3: Whoa worse? She's not a tumor, she's not a tumor
Speaker 3: much What are.
Speaker 1: You trying to say?
Speaker 2: I just wanted to use the word that would look good. Beloved,
Speaker 2: the much beloved? What's it called when someone is hard
Speaker 2: done by?
Speaker 3: Mickey? Hard done by?
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it were an attack.
Speaker 2: This is an in real time assessment. So Mickey read
Speaker 2: a DM that was sent to us. I'm going to
Speaker 2: read it out again. Flex and frooms on Instagram if
Speaker 2: you want to send a similar note, Frumiolo and Flexerini.
Speaker 2: Given your love for debating and spilling real tea on
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Speaker 2: day in the life on YouTube. Dyk, did you know
Speaker 2: Michael is actually the one responsive for the sale of
Speaker 2: Sydney's most expensive house?
Speaker 3: Why is he a background character?
Speaker 1: Then zooming out.
Speaker 2: I believe Michael can teach us a lot about life.
Speaker 2: Lead with kindness, always, don't be afraid to go against
Speaker 2: the grain, and you can be a boss successful while
Speaker 2: also being soft and sensitive. Yeah, also that not all
Speaker 2: real estate agents are vibe terrorists.
Speaker 1: Watch this video, Mickey has got a grab. Play the tape.
Speaker 5: This is our office and we'll bring the clients in here.
Speaker 5: A lot of meetings in this office.
Speaker 6: And it works really well. Andrew has just had a
Speaker 6: good week.
Speaker 5: He sold a house for confidentially around thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Winners of grinners.
Speaker 2: I started left school and started at the start of
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3: That's an apprentice with roll for Royston to me and.
Speaker 4: The sweety Piet And you know what, I do agree
Speaker 4: there is something about someone with a gentle disposition that
Speaker 4: I don't know if we.
Speaker 1: Can learn winners.
Speaker 3: Some of us just have an abrasive vibe.
Speaker 6: I would say, I don't so the job brought out
Speaker 6: of me that was definitely more of a Michael type.
Speaker 6: Well when you were five, Actually I should tear all
Speaker 6: my clothes off and run around the house.
Speaker 4: I just I think we can grow into a Michael
Speaker 4: Pallier disposition and I would like to, but I'm surprised.
Speaker 2: He started off as a car dealer and he's like that,
Speaker 2: that is that is the real dog eat dog world.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 3: He's built different.
Speaker 2: He is, yeah, selling roles, roster, selling houses. God, he'd
Speaker 2: be making a bag. Yeah, good on him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Michael Pallier.
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