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Speaker 1: The gentleman who had ninety grams of cocaine secreted in

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Speaker 2: So herpes is a forever thing.

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Speaker 3: It's for Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I'm sorry, but you

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. I'm Jannah Hocking, sex and dating columnists for

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Speaker 3: Daily Mail. Joining me is MC radio extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Now coming up, we.

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Speaker 3: Are chatting to a private investigatory tonight, but not any

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Speaker 3: private investigator. This is a guy who deals with billionaires

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Speaker 3: like they get him to do background checks on women

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Speaker 3: that they're growing today, or should I say because there's female.

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Speaker 5: From the moment we started this show, you have been

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Speaker 5: banging on about wanting to speak to a PI tonight

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Speaker 4: We've finally found one in he's a really good one.

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Speaker 3: So he's going to tell us all the tips and

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Speaker 3: tricks and some wild stories.

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Speaker 4: But we weren't viral, we.

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Speaker 5: Did, and not in the time where you need to

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Speaker 5: visit a pharmacy to get something to fix yourself up,

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Speaker 5: like the good kind of.

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Speaker 4: Viral, no antibotics required.

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Speaker 3: Who We had Marguerite and Nazarenko on the show last week.

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Speaker 3: Who is a TikToker famous for her brutal dating advice,

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Speaker 3: and she kind of took me to town and told

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Speaker 4: And can I just say, it's.

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Speaker 3: Ruined my dating life, It's ruined debt on us.

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Speaker 4: Because I started thinking.

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Speaker 3: So I had a few interactions with men this week.

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Speaker 4: And they weren't good because I had her in my head.

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Speaker 3: And this one guy, for some reason, can only ever

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Speaker 4: So then he asked if he could come over this

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Speaker 3: I called it off and I even typed into chat

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Speaker 6: I put the whole dilama into chat CHPT and I said,

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Speaker 6: Chachipt said, Margarita would tell you absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: He's taking the piers. And then I said, would you

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Speaker 3: It wrote me the best text that was like, I'm

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Speaker 4: Did we want to back on this show again? So

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Speaker 3: So there is a vile, subconscious trick that pick up

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Speaker 5: The thing, are there people out there that are just

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Speaker 3: So any guy can go on find these toxic TikTok

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Speaker 4: Where the dark art mastery.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So like a few months ago, I went

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Speaker 3: Then he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner

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Speaker 3: Can you see where the dark art trickery came into place.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I would have gone home and had

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Speaker 5: Like all he did was say let's go to a

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Speaker 2: What missing something?

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Speaker 8: You've been well established that if two people, for instance,

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Speaker 9: Did you know that piccapartists were weaponizing this about fifteen

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Speaker 9: It was a common held wisdom in the picapart this

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Speaker 5: So in him taking you to three different things, you're going,

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Speaker 3: And you also feel like you've known him for years

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Speaker 3: because you've been bonding in three different spots. It's exactly

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Speaker 3: When you're going to three different places in one day,

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Speaker 3: So I did call another girl who had also been

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Speaker 4: The exact same thing to her.

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Speaker 3: He used the three date trickery and that's all it takes.

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Speaker 5: Take her on three different locations on the date. Wham bam,

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Speaker 3: I've dated three guys that I've had sex with on.

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Speaker 3: are outsourcing it. Our guest today is Oliver Lawrence, a

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Speaker 3: private investigator hired by the rich and powerful to dig

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Speaker 3: into their potential lover's past. So I'm so excited. He's

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Speaker 3: a man who finds out if that stunning new girlfriend

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Speaker 3: is a soulmate or a scammer. From the secret double

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Speaker 3: lives to hidden marriages, He's seen it all. So what

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Speaker 1: Welcome Oliver, good morning, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thanks for joining us all the

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Speaker 3: way from the UK. Now I want to know because

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Speaker 3: a guy who's not a one billionaire, he's a two

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us a bit about that case, because

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of layists that because that individual

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Speaker 1: film themselves engaging in one of these lude acts on

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Speaker 1: So there are few ones that we sort of generally

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Speaker 3: And what's the most shocking thing you've uncovered during an

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Speaker 4: Okay. I don't think that can be topped.

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Speaker 3: Wild stories, but you've given me an idea. So if

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Speaker 3: Have you ever felt in danger in your job, like,

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Speaker 1: Our first rule of fun is we never pay the

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: I want more, I want more, I want more. So

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Speaker 3: Men, let this be a lesson stop sending dick pics. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: now we have had an influx of listeners writing will

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Speaker 3: the first one comes from Laura.

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Speaker 4: What are some of them most common signs people ignore

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Speaker 1: On extensive periods away from the home, which are unnecessary

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Speaker 3: I'm a sex columnist, but I get so many married

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Speaker 4: Guy did it in such a clever way.

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Speaker 3: He sent me pictures in my DMS on my Instagram

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Speaker 2: After once you look at it, the photo disappears.

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Speaker 3: Exactly and you can't screenshot it.

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Speaker 4: I was like, you level, like that's how he was

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Speaker 3: To write about this. But yeah, you guys are savvy.

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Speaker 10: Have you ever caught someone cheating in the act or

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Speaker 1: There is the odd occasion where you find all this

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Speaker 1: But it does go on, you know, people do We

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Speaker 1: what I call Shenanigan's Josh asks, how.

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Speaker 5: Can someone get the information or evidence themselves before going

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Speaker 1: So clating telephone numbers that you don't recognize on a phone,

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Speaker 1: You could get a hit, right. Email accounts is the

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Speaker 1: and wanting the actual evidence. But sometimes they want to

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Speaker 1: mostly attached these cases and go, what is this escort

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Speaker 4: The answer to what are they doing is they're getting pegged.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to escort friend, and you said that they

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Speaker 4: I've given you all a heart attack.

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Speaker 5: And final question from Tyler. Has anyone ever hired you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we try to minimize those scenarios, if I'm honest

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Speaker 1: with you, just purely out of respect for people's But

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Speaker 3: Now it's time for therapy, not a pi' time to process.

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Speaker 5: If anyone's been listening to this and they want to

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Speaker 1: There are a thousand investigators like me around the world.

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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm fairly nuanced. In fact, I service the

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I have a very good friend of mine, David King

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Speaker 1: Lipstick investigations right specializes in this sort of nefarious work.

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Speaker 1: Right Dave superb him and his team.

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Speaker 3: You lived up to my private investigator dreams.

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Speaker 4: You gave us the best information.

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Speaker 3: I've still got a million questions, but we can't steal

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Speaker 3: you forever.

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Speaker 1: Listen, absolute pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: And as I say, if you think there's a problem

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Speaker 5: What I love most about you is that you're here

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Speaker 5: for the people, and you're here to help those when

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Speaker 3: Well, someone needs it this week, and this actually left

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Speaker 4: Dear Saucy Secrets.

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Speaker 3: A year after my divorce, I went through what can

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Speaker 3: only be described as my eat prey shag face.

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Speaker 4: Yes go, yes go.

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Speaker 3: I was in my forties, finally free and determined to

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Speaker 2: Oh me know.

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Speaker 3: At first I was devastated. I felt dirty, ashamed, and

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Speaker 4: We love to hear it. The problem is.

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Speaker 3: Now that I'm ready for something real again, I don't

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Speaker 4: When do you bring it up?

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Speaker 3: Do you do it before the first date, before sex,

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Speaker 3: after you know you like each other. I'm terrified of

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Speaker 3: fear or deception. It's such a small part of my

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Speaker 4: Signed? Healing but hesitant?

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Speaker 5: Can I just ask a really stupid question I'm not

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Speaker 2: So herpes is a forever thing.

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Speaker 3: It's for yeah, yeah, yeah, clearly.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was just one of those things we

447
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 5: could go to the chemist and get some kind of

448
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 5: medication and get rid of it.

449
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: Is for life.

450
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Speaker 4: Oh and then there's all difference.

451
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: So I had to do a deep dive.

452
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 5: I was like your Google history, like your search history,

453
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 5: I hope, like no government agencies or anything ever get

454
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 5: a hold of your computer.

455
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 2: Because the things that you'd be looking up.

456
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Speaker 4: I know they are wild they are wilde.

457
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: I am definitely on a few watch lists, But this okay,

458
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 3: So I did look into it. First of all, I

459
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: say breathe because it turns out a lot of people

460
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 3: have it. At the moment, they're saying one in eight

461
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: Australians have it, but they're saying half a billion people

462
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: worldwide have it.

463
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 5: So there could be someone in this room right now

464
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 5: with us that could which of you's got it?

465
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 7: Hands up?

466
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Speaker 3: What I would say is breathe easy. Know that you're

467
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 3: not the only person in the world who is going

468
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: to have to sit someone down and tell them. But

469
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: do I think you say it on the first date? No, no, no,

470
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: I don't think you say it until you've actually got

471
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: to know. The thing is, now that you've got it,

472
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: you are going to have to slow down and actually

473
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 3: get to know your dates and figure out if you

474
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Speaker 3: even like them, because I think if you tell them

475
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 3: too soon, you're you're putting your trust in someone's hands that.

476
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 4: You don't even know.

477
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 5: You've got to learn whether or not this person's a

478
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 5: decade or not, and whether they are mature enough to

479
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 5: handle something like this.

480
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Speaker 3: Old Yes, exactly, So I would put off sleeping with them,

481
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: I would get to know them. I'd go in a

482
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: few dates before I told them, and then when it

483
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: looks like it's going down that.

484
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Speaker 4: Pathway of nudy rudy, then tell them.

485
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: But also, okay, so this is something I've found out

486
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 3: from a friend that I thought was genius advice. They said,

487
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 3: don't attack the conversation like I'm so embarrassed, I'm mortified.

488
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: I've got this gross thing. I'm really sorry, but I

489
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: have to confess it. Say it confidently, Say it like

490
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: it's not a big deal. Say that you're dealing with it.

491
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: You know how to handle it. You're obviously not going

492
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: to have sex when you have an outbreak, but when

493
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: you're in the orkley you can. And also you know

494
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 3: you're just going to make sure you wear condoms. But

495
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: say it short, sharply and succinctly and with confidence, and

496
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: then leave room because you know, when we over explain stuff,

497
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 3: it's it brings shame to the conversation or embarrassment. Just

498
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: say it simply and then give them space one to, like,

499
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 3: you know, take it all in because it might come

500
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Speaker 3: as a shock.

501
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Speaker 4: And then they're going to approach it maturely as well,

502
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 4: because they can see that you've got a handle on it.

503
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 5: And I'm assuming again that it is something that can

504
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 5: obviously be managed. And it's not like this person has HRPI,

505
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: so everyone she's going to come into contact sexually is

506
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 5: going to get herpies. There's ways to go about it

507
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 5: where everyone can be completely safe, completely healthy, and it's

508
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 5: not like an issue.

509
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: It's not like she, you know, has to be courted

510
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: off for the rest of her life.

511
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: Well, I spoke to a friend who has it, and

512
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: she said that people know when.

513
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 4: They're about to have an outbreak.

514
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: There's like it's like a cold saw where like you

515
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: get tingling ye down there and you know, and then

516
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: you just don't have sex during that time. There's also

517
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: medication that you can take beforehand. But actually, we've got

518
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: a STD specialist coming up next, because you know, we're

519
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: all this girl's probably horrified, feeling like she's the only

520
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 3: one in the world with an STD. They are going

521
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: rampant in Australia.

522
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: At the moment.

523
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: The statistics are petrifying and it's not just harpies, it's

524
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: gone her ear, it's everything.

525
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: So we're getting an std doctor in to tell us

526
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: all about it. Yes, share some horror stories, but he

527
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 4: can help with some advice.

528
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: All right, we will do that next.

529
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: Okay, brace yourself because this one's wild. Sti's are exploding

530
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: across Australia. Gonorrhea and syphilis have more than doubled in

531
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: the last decade, chlamydia has clogged over one hundred thousand

532
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: new cases in a year, and only sixteen percent of

533
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: Aussie's have ever been tested, which means a lot of

534
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: people are getting busy and blissfully unaware they're spreading more

535
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 3: than just love. It's a full blown sexual health crisis,

536
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: and tonight we've got doctor Brad Mackay on the show

537
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: to tell us just how bad it's getting. He's a

538
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: GP who doesn't sugarcoat it, and trust me, what he's

539
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: about to reveal will make you all rethink that very

540
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: casual fling or any casual fling you've ever had.

541
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Speaker 4: I'm already scared. Welcome to the show, doctor Brad.

542
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 7: We're all sex positive here. That's fine.

543
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 10: You can have your casual fleeing, that's all right, but

544
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 10: just do it responsively.

545
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 4: Condoms condoms condoms. I feel like after this chat we're

546
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: all going to go out and buy like a mess

547
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 4: in box of Trojans or something.

548
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: So we had this listener write in and she's in

549
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: a bit of a tears. She got divorced, whent on

550
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 3: a bit of a wild adventure with a few men,

551
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: ended up catching her pees and now she's stressing out

552
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: because she's ready to settle down. She wants to date properly,

553
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: and she's wondering how one, how do you disclose.

554
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 4: It, and the timing around disclosing it.

555
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: Should you disclose it on a first date or later?

556
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 4: How do you go about it?

557
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, like you don't have to do that straight away,

558
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 10: and certainly it's a bit weird if somebody does.

559
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 7: That on the first day.

560
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 10: Yeah, So yeah, not a great opener. So I suppose

561
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 10: the what you can do is take medication for it.

562
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 10: So there are lots of anti viral medication. You can

563
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 10: take one tablet a day, sometimes there's two tablets today

564
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 10: and to keep HSV under control, and so you can actually, like, yeah,

565
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 10: decrease your chance of transmitting it to somebody else quite substantially.

566
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Speaker 10: And one of my favorite sort of stories from one

567
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 10: of my patients was when she said that she was going.

568
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 10: Dating back in the eighties, this is before we had

569
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 10: medication as well, and they used to like put up

570
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 10: like before the internet, they used to put up signs

571
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 10: on the wall and say, like tonight, we're having a

572
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 10: herpes party, and so everyone who was who was herpes

573
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 10: positive would go to this party. They would all have

574
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 10: a fun time, and everybody in the room would know

575
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 10: that everybody else had Herpe simplex virus infection, and so

576
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 10: it really decreased the stigma helped them to choose other partners,

577
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 10: and then it was they were already disclosing their status

578
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 10: before that even started. So we don't really have them

579
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 10: these days.

580
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: We probably do, we just don't know that.

581
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: What are some of the worst.

582
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: Cases you've seen a patient come into your office with?

583
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 3: When it comes.

584
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Speaker 5: Back to the embarrassing bodies days, the worst of the worst,

585
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 5: the horror stories with respect obviously, there's.

586
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 10: Always like classic stories where somebody comes in and they've

587
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 10: they've been saying, oh, yes, I've been experiencing like terrible

588
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 10: green gu coming out of my penis for the like

589
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 10: for for a while it stings every time I pee.

590
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 10: I thought that I should do something about it. And

591
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 10: then you ask them like, how long has this actually

592
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 10: been going on for and they say six months. So

593
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 10: so often like people will leave things for a very

594
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 10: long time. They're too embarrassed to go to the doctor,

595
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 10: or they're traveling around the country as a as a

596
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 10: backpacker for example. Yeah, they just they just put everything.

597
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 7: To the side.

598
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 10: They're changed in their underwear four times a day. And yeah,

599
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 10: like we need to have more sexual health services and

600
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 10: people to feel confident to go to the doctor to

601
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 10: actually get treatment for it. That's like the classic, the

602
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 10: classic story that comes through the door.

603
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: And in America you can now I think in America

604
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: and the UK you can do it all online. So

605
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: you can just type in, send your address, they'll send

606
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: you out a kit, you test yourself at home, and

607
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: then you send it back so you don't have that embarrassing,

608
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, conversation with the doctor. I don't care with

609
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: the doctor. I'll tell them anything. I'm like, sort it out.

610
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: But a lot of.

611
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 10: People, if you've got a drippy dick, you should probably

612
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 10: go to the clinic and have some antibiotics for it

613
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 10: as well.

614
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 7: So it's hard to do that from home.

615
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 5: I'd assume that treatment for all kinds of STIs is

616
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 5: getting better and better as medical technology gets better and better.

617
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 5: But why a case is so much higher than what

618
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 5: they used to be. Why these infections exploding? Are we

619
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 5: just having more unprotected sex and not seeming to care

620
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 5: so much about the consequences.

621
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think we've gone from a time where

622
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 10: everyone was petrified of HIV and so so there was

623
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 10: all of those like where condoms, don't, don't have sex,

624
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 10: be really careful, and so over time, like the next

625
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 10: generation that's coming through doesn't really have the same sort

626
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 10: of like awareness of HIV.

627
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 7: There's not that same fear from it.

628
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 10: It's not really in the public eye as much as

629
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 10: what it was in the eighties and nineties, so that

630
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 10: that fear is diminished. So I think a lot of

631
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 10: people just aren't using condoms as much. A lot of

632
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 10: a lot of women are using the pill. They've got contraception,

633
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 10: and so they're they're less likely.

634
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 7: To be using condoms.

635
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 10: And yeah, that we also have these days, we've got preps,

636
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 10: so pre exposure prophylaxis, so you can take tablets before

637
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 10: having sex and or every day to prevent getting HIV,

638
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 10: and so then there's less of that that impetusity to

639
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 10: use condoms, and with that comes infections as well.

640
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: A friend of mine years and years ago, she discovered

641
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: her husband was cheating because they had been married for

642
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: fifteen years and then one day she woke up a

643
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: bit itchy down there, just like that's weird. That's weird,

644
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: and thought, you know, it was a uti or something

645
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: like that.

646
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: Went to the doctor.

647
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: He took one look downstairs and he goes, oh, you've

648
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: got her pies, Like he picked it out straight away.

649
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: She's like, I can't.

650
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: I've been like, we've been married for fifteen years, we've

651
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: been together for twenty years. I'm not sleeping with anyone else.

652
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: That's how she found out that he was having an affair.

653
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: Is that really common?

654
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 7: So a lot of people can have herpes infection.

655
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 10: They may have got it like twenty years ago, and

656
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 10: then they really.

657
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 7: Don't have symptoms from it.

658
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 10: So they might have the occasional itch, but it's not

659
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 10: causing any problems.

660
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 7: So it can just harbor like.

661
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 10: In the in the nervous system for a long period

662
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 10: of time, and then it's just when all of the

663
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 10: wind's blowing in the right direction and that then they'll

664
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 10: they'll start to produce the virus on their skin and

665
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 10: then then can affect their partner.

666
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Speaker 7: It's not necessarily a.

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Speaker 2: It's not me.

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Speaker 3: Actually, maybe we shouldn't be giving people the cheat cheek.

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Speaker 10: So my lecture at university was exact question by us

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: So listen, there is something that has broken the internet

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Speaker 3: this week, and like I said before, it's not just

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Speaker 4: As a Renco.

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Speaker 3: Last week, Vogue has broken the internet as well. Writer

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Speaker 3: Shanty Joseph wrote an iconic article that I sent to

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Speaker 3: my editor saying, damn it, I wish I wrote this

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Speaker 3: article myself. It was titled is having a boyfriend embarrassing?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, the Internet lost their shit.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to walk me through this.

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Speaker 4: One, okay.

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Speaker 3: So basically, she and the fashion bible known as Vogue

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Speaker 3: has said it's official, having a boyfriend is embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: It's seen as lame, it's seen as cringe. And at

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Speaker 4: first when you hear that, you.

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Speaker 3: Think, oh, that's just a bit of clickbait that's actually

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Speaker 3: saying But then you read the article and she makes

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Speaker 3: so many good points and I was like, damn it,

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Speaker 3: she's right. But this isn't anything new because when you

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Speaker 3: think about it, you know all those.

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Speaker 4: Sexy Instagram women on Instagram in.

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Speaker 3: Their bikinis and stuff like that, they've all got boyfriends,

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Speaker 3: but you will not see them on their Instagram pages.

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Speaker 3: They brought this in years ago, I think after one

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Speaker 3: of the Sports Illustrated girls made the mistake of putting

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Speaker 3: her boyfriend up and she lost like hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 3: of followers overnight.

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Speaker 4: That's when it became blame or embarrassing.

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Speaker 5: So what you're saying is it's lame to have a

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Speaker 5: boyfriend publicly, as in on social media. You can still

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Speaker 5: have a boyfriend and that's fine, but keep it to yourself,

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Speaker 5: don't splash it everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the lame part.

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Speaker 3: And I think socials have made it embarrassing as well,

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Speaker 3: because you think about it, We're all brought up to

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, all these fabulous influencers started popping up

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Speaker 3: and they were traveling and they were going out and

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Speaker 3: they were getting drunk, and they were telling these wild

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Speaker 3: think that's a big reason now why women are getting

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Speaker 3: and they're going maybe I like, I am enjoying my career.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I want to put my emphasis into that. I'm

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Speaker 3: hearing all these horrible dating stories on TikTok on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: We're all commiserating about all the shitty Peter pans at

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Speaker 2: At the moment, haven't we always been dickheads to be fit?

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Speaker 3: But now we're talking about it on social media and

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Speaker 3: it's flipped the switch.

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Speaker 4: And people are going, actually, yeah, it is a bit

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Speaker 4: lame to have a boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: Now, Don't get me wrong, Like I do think with

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Speaker 3: articles like this, which are kind of saying you don't

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Speaker 3: want a boyfriend, it is lame.

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Speaker 4: It is embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: We're hovering a little bit in that bit of woman territory.

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Speaker 3: It's giving kind of the female version of Andrew Tait

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Speaker 3: the worst. Yeah, we're all giving up dating. I think

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Speaker 3: we're going a little bit too extreme. Okay, so I'm

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Speaker 3: saying I can understand why women are saying, yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: embarrassing to have a boyfriend at the moment, but I

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Speaker 3: also think we need to pull back a little bit

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Speaker 3: and remember that there are good guys out there, and

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Speaker 5: Out there for us, and you don't have to look

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Speaker 2: You never know that might be a bloke.

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Speaker 3: I changed my mind closer than your.

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Speaker 4: Think boyfriends are embarrassing.

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Speaker 7: But.

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Speaker 4: I will say it's gone a little bit too far.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think we need to make bold statements

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Speaker 4: I think, ladies, we do still need to go on

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Speaker 3: And I also don't think it's embarrassing to say you

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll bring next week.

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Speaker 3: We'll bring back the sexy time.

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Speaker 5: On that note, have a lovely week and we'll talk

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Speaker 5: to you next time.

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Speaker 2: On Saucy Secrets,