1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the latest episode of Outspoken. You're 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: joined by journalists Amy and Sophie Torbo. Coming up on 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: today's episode, the shock Bachelor split that a spark debate 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: over whether a winner's contract exists. Could TikTok be the 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: death of Instagram and the rise of the blended last name? 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: But first, Amy, I think you should tell our listeners 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: about our weekend. Well. Soph and I were lucky enough 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: to spend the weekend in Brisbane for our best friend 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Owen's birthday. Happy birthday, Owen, if you're listening, and it 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: started off in an awful manner. I was running late. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: I take full responsibility to go to Sophie's house so 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: her boyfriend can take us to the airport, and in 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: the rush of trying to make it to our Tigert 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: Airways flight, I managed to somehow lose my phone in 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: the suitcase that then was checked in now painting the picture, Amy, 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: you were supposed to arrive at my house at ten thirty, 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: and I had to call you at ten forty and 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: ask if you were still, to which you replied you'd 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: always told me you were arriving ten forty five. I 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: don't know if we should start that debate again. But 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: clearly we got our wires crossed. We had a couch 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: arriving at our place that held me up, and lots 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: of other little things. But yes, it was my fault. 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I take full responsibility, and I think my punishment was 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: having to sit on an aeroplane without a mobile phone 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: the whole time, and then having to listen to Sophie 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: who thought that the plane might blow up because of 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: my phone battery being in the hold. The most shocking 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: thing about this situation was the fact that Tiger Airlines 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: were so kind to us and they let us come 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: on with an extra couple of kilos of luggage and 32 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: didn't charge. I think that was the shock of the 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: whole Satu said to You's ope, they were lovely. I 34 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: think it's Jet Star that are a bit more funny 35 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: about all of those things. But we did have a 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: great time, and we also caught up with some fabulous 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: girls who were also listeners of the podcast. That and Danny, 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: who I've been friends with nat for the last few years. 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: He was a cadet journalist And oh my gosh, those 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: girls that I think they need to be on the podcast. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: Everyone listening would absolutely love them. They're hilarious. There is also, 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: for anyone in Brisbane, the most incredible Christmas theme put 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Putt Golf and you'll all know by now that we 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: love Christmas. And it was just so magical. 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: It was incredible. 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: It was a regular golf course that had been transformed 47 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: into a winter wonderland and it was so much fun. 48 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: Besides the fun Christmas activities far out, it was a 49 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: hellish trip back. I thought it couldn't get any worse 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: getting there, but it seemed getting home was even more hellish. 51 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: So we arrived at the airport and I checked in 52 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: the morning because I am a rather anxious flyer, and 53 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: it said there was a storm forecast for the exact 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: time we were taking off. I see Sophie's a bit 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: of a Panica when it comes to flying, so I 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: was like, look, I'm sure it'll be fine. And I 57 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: knew Sopha would ask me a billion questions on the 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: plane about is this safe? 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: Is this okay? 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: So I google it whether you can fly during a storm, 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and it was basically saying that obviously lightning's quite dangerous, 62 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: but actually what's worse is the water and hail and 63 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: it turns out it poured, it hailed, and our flight 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: got delayed by about an hour and a half of 65 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: the storm passed. 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: So there was this. 67 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: Huge announcement over the speakers and they're like, we cannot 68 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: travel at the moment because the lights have turned. 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: On the tarmac and I'm freaking out. I'm like, what 70 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: does this mean? 71 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: So anyone else in that situation, It means that they're 72 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: storm lights. So if the storm lights are on, you 73 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: cannot fly. But with a bit I loved was we'd 74 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: actually so we've flown over Tiger, but we flew back 75 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: Jetstar and Jetstar had, you know, done the announcement that 76 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: they've grounded their flights because of this massive storm about 77 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: to hit Brisbane. And then Tiger Airways goes over the 78 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: speaker and we're just going to begin boarding. If everyone 79 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: could we their bagsst I've be gone the flight. 80 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell? 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: I would have actually canceled my flight if that was 82 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the case, because it was not fit for flying and 83 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: there was actually hail the size of golf balls. 84 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: It was absolutely insane. 85 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: But luckily we did get home in one piece, and 86 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: I think we should probably move on to our first topic, 87 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: which is the shock of the Bachelor's split. So it's 88 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: been a weeks since Bachelor Matt Agnew and Chelsea McLeod 89 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: declared their love for each other on national television during 90 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: this year's finale of The Bachelor Australia, and while the 91 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: pair looked very much in love during their array of 92 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: media interviews, they shocked batchy fans when they announced their 93 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: split on Instagram on Sunday. The surprise split has raised 94 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: questions on whether a winner's contract may have kept them together. 95 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on all of this? Well, 96 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: Both Matt and Chelsea took to Instagram on Sunday to 97 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: announce the breakup. In separate Instagram posts, Matt claimed that 98 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: there was no one else involved in the split, and 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: he also said that their relationship hadn't translated from filming 100 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: to everyday real life as he had hoped. He also 101 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: went on to wish Chelsea well and said that he 102 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: hoped she would find the happiness she deserved, and Chelsea's 103 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: post was quite similar, wishing Matt the best for showing 104 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: her what it was like to be in a relationship 105 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: where she felt respected, and she also apologized for those 106 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: who are invested in their relationship. What it did find 107 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: interesting was the use of photos that Chelsea used. So 108 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Chelsea had a collection of photos, and the last photo 109 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: was a photo of them kissing in kind of a 110 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: field and it said I don't want to picture a 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: life without you in it. I am in love with you, 112 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: And that was a quote from Matt. I mean, why 113 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: I put that in a break up message. Well, I 114 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: noticed that Matt chose to use his written statement as 115 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: the post, so he didn't include photos of himself and Chelsea. 116 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting because there is a bit 117 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: of speculation online at the moment that Matt may have 118 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: blindsighted Chelsea and this may be why she's sharing all 119 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: the lovey dovey posts because she's still unsure why they've 120 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: actually split. Well, it does seem confusing because they are 121 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: both from the same state. I'm not saying that you've 122 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: got to stay together because you're from the same area. 123 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: But they haven't had that stress of a long distance 124 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: relationship like a lot of other couple's face. I suppose 125 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: they have had the stress though, of having to watch 126 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: back those Bachelor episodes. Now. While Matt actually confirmed in 127 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: his Instagram posts that there were no other women on 128 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: the scene. Didn't take long for fans to speculate that 129 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: perhaps he would race back into the arms of Abby Chatfield. 130 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: And Abby, of course, is a friend of the show, 131 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: and she was quick to fire back on social media 132 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: that she didn't wish to be included in the narrative. 133 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah so, Abby wrote, I've been tagged in a lot 134 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: of comments this morning on posts about Matt and Chelsea's 135 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: relationship ending. Some of you guys are saying it's my shot. 136 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Others are saying that he's done a Blake Garvey. None 137 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: of this is fair on Chelsea, Matt or me. She 138 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: went on to say, my contact with Matt ended when 139 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: I walked away from him at the finale, and I'm 140 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: good friends with Chelsea and I love her very much. 141 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: I thought that was fantastic her comments, because she's actually 142 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: set the record straight. What a great response. It provides 143 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: a bit of girl code as well. Of course, she's 144 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,119 Speaker 1: not going to go there. I mean, we're all hoping 145 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: that she's going to go on Bachelor in Paradise and 146 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: get things started with Todd. Wouldn't be sensational if Matt 147 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: Agnew actually appeared on Bachelor in Paradise, could you imagine? Well, 148 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: I wondered if that was why the announcement has been 149 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: pushed forward to now, because there is talk of Bachelor 150 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: in Paradise starting filming soon, so they could be late 151 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: inclusions in the show. It was funny because Abby also 152 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: hit back in some of the comments sections, and she said, like, 153 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: what the fuck Matt doesn't even follow me, and I 154 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: highly doubt he gives a fuck what I'm doing right 155 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: now or what I've done since the finale. Also, he's 156 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: seen me at my peak in Brackets finale, will never 157 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: look hotter, and still dumped me. So laughing my ass off. 158 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: This pink push up bra isn't going to win him back. 159 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's referring to the picture that yes, women 160 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: are worth more than their looks. You don't win someone 161 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: back by uploading a hot photo. That's such a fucking 162 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: ridiculous concept and feeds into the narrative that men just 163 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: want pretty women. I think that's so strong what she said. 164 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: It's very refreshing to hear her actually being completely honest 165 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: about the situation as well, because that is pretty ridiculous 166 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: to jump to the conclusion that she's only posted a 167 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: photo of herself to impress Matt. But she's also such 168 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: a strong woman, so I'm glad that she is highlighting 169 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: that that is not the case. That is so true, 170 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: And there've been so many people that have been invested 171 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: in their relationship. I must admit I actually haven't been 172 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: that invested. 173 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 174 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: There was something about that series that I didn't really love. 175 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know whether it was the end result 176 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: that I didn't perhaps agree with, or I don't know. 177 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: I just felt like her personality wasn't brought across. I 178 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: suppose the relationship was a bit black. You know, these 179 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: two very smart people getting together. I don't think we 180 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: really saw much of the sparks flying between them, or 181 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: just seemed a very compatible match. Yeah, and those people 182 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: who are very invested in the relationship have obviously been 183 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: trying to work out exactly what has gone wrong, and 184 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of speculation over Matt's recent 185 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: overseas trips. On October tenth, just three weeks after the 186 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: show wrapped, Chelsea wrote in a post on Instagram, remember 187 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: that time we got to hang out, Matt. Maybe you 188 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: should come back now so we can do that again, 189 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: and so when fans commented, questioning, you know, where is he, 190 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: she explained that he'd been overseas visiting his family. My 191 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: first question was, why wasn't she over there too. I 192 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: know it's quite early on, but you'd think that they'd 193 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: want to hang out overseas. And then she joked that 194 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: she wanted to start a petition to hashtag bring back 195 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: the Astrophysicist. So it doesn't seem like they were actually 196 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time together after the show. Well, 197 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: their social media presence has also been rather interesting. There's 198 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: only been a handful of selfies of the pair together 199 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: since their media appearance is wrapped up, and the most 200 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: recent being on November one at Crown in Melbourne. So 201 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's the signs weren't looking too good, were they. Well, 202 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: it's led people to discuss, of course, this talk about 203 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: whether the Bachelor contestants signed a contract. For those who 204 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: actually haven't heard these rumors back in twenty eighteen, of course, 205 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: the most hated Bachelor, Nick Cummins, the honey Badger, He 206 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: sparked all of these rumors on an interview with ABC 207 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: Radio National. Now, first, it shocked me that ABC Radio 208 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: National actually interviewed The Honey Badger after his appearance, but 209 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: I suppose it was quite shocking the fact that he 210 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: didn't choose any of the women, and he actually said 211 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: on radio, what's more important me just saying yes and 212 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: going through the motions and dragging some girl through all 213 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: this media about how we're in love, and then three 214 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: months down the track, after the contract's over, we're allowed 215 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: to break up. And then he also wanted to say, 216 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to drag them through that rubbish and 217 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: break her heart. Bug of that, So he kind of 218 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: slipped up by mentioning the word contract. Well, they also 219 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: backed up that statement on the project, saying it's not 220 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: fair to her going down that path three months only 221 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: to break her heart. She'd be sitting here now people 222 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: would be asking if you're in love and it's like, 223 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to lie. And of course those rumors 224 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: also started after Sophie Monks split with Stu Laundry and 225 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember so, but they appeared 226 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: in a few TV interviews and it was rather uncomfortable viewing. 227 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: They seemed visibly annoyed at each other and it got 228 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: people questioning when they split to six months after the 229 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: show began filming. Well, was that just an agreement that 230 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: they were going to do the media interviews and then 231 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: they were allowed to split, because obviously it's not a 232 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: good look for Channel ten once the finale wraps and 233 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: the contestants aren't together. And what's added more fuel to 234 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: the fire is and his latest comments. Now, of course, 235 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: she picked Carlin over Tim in last week's finale, and 236 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: there's been a few raised eyebrows about their relationship because 237 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: of course, Angie's been always a kind of coy coming 238 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: out before, you know, during all the pre Bachelorette interviews. Anyway, 239 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: when she was being interviewed on the project, she was 240 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: asked if she'd been in touch with Tim since the finale, 241 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: and she answered saying that both herself and Carlin have 242 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: actually reached out to him, and she said, Tim is 243 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: one of those people. I am one of those people 244 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: when I make a connection with somebody, I don't care 245 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: about contracts. I don't care about what you're not supposed 246 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: to do. So that would imply that there is a 247 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: contract stating that you were not meant to reach out 248 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: to the runner up, which is quite interesting on reflection, 249 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: if you look at Blake Garvey series because obviously he 250 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: did reach out to Louise. 251 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 2: And got with her. 252 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: Well, it's like the other series in America where they 253 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: picked the runner up. It has always been known though, 254 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: that there's been a contract over the engagement rings. Yeah, well, 255 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just in the US, but 256 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: the contract does state in America that they have to 257 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: be together for two years. It doesn't have to be married, 258 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: but you've got a last in a Batchel relationship for 259 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: two years to get to keep the ring, and do 260 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: you know what it would be worth at least faking 261 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: it for some of them, because one of the rings 262 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: on the US Bachelor was worth one hundred and fifty 263 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Channel ten has been quick to water down 264 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: the comments, though Ten told a number of media outlets 265 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: that the idea of a contractual obligation for winning Bachelor 266 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: or bachelorette is both absolutely ridiculous and false. 267 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: Do you know what I love? Today? 268 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: They had paparazzi shots of both Matt and Chelsea out 269 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: and about, and Chelsea actually filmed some of this on 270 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: her own Insta story, and Chelsea seemed quite happy. She 271 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: was obviously having a bit of a giggle at how 272 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: ridiculous the paparazzi were being, but they showed Matt looking 273 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: very down, and The Daily Mail, of course posted the 274 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: pictures and they wrote, sporting a new mustache, Matt appeared 275 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: a little tired and tense as he walked to his 276 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: day job. And he's actually got this top on, like 277 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: a T shirt on that says morning, and he is 278 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: sporting the filthy know you've ever seen. But I laughed 279 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: because he's not just sporting it and you massage it's 280 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: for November. Clearly, come on, guys, that the Daily Mail, 281 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Well, I think it's clear from Chelsea's Instagram 282 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: and the giggling that this breakup probably happened weeks months ago. Well, 283 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, because there's been a few 284 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: articles which have actually stated that Rachel, who was on 285 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: Matt series of The Bachelor, now she was the one 286 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: that kissed vaku. It said that she was replying to fans' 287 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: comments on Instagram about the breakup and a follower said 288 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: we want to know why, and then she responded saying 289 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: so does Chelsea. So there is the Yeah, it is 290 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: implied that maybe she was blindsided. 291 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: Do you know what I want to know? 292 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: How do you speak to your ex boyfriend about synchronizing 293 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: those Instagram posts because they were within a minute of 294 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: each other. 295 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: Well, that is interesting, you know. 296 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: It does point to out that maybe there is a 297 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: contract and this is the date that the contract ceases, 298 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: so this is the date that the Instagram posts go up. Well, 299 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: the winner was announced on the twenty eighth of September, 300 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: so that's about two months since we've had the winners. 301 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Channel ten will be absolutely kicking themselves. I mean, after 302 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: we've had the Honey Badger not fine love. They wanted 303 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: a real love story this year, and he has and 304 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: he was touted as the good guy, wasn't he His 305 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: whole image has been amazing throughout the whole filming and 306 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: now it's kind of like, oh, we're just going to 307 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: announce it now and hopefully it will fade into obscurity. 308 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: But even the breakup, like, oh, yes, we've just started 309 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: to go separate ways. 310 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: Like it we need some dirt. I don't know, I 311 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: don't actually think there's any dirt. 312 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: I think that maybe Matt, just like the Honey Badger, 313 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: wasn't into it as much as he thought he was 314 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: or was pushed to make a decision to stay with 315 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: one of the girls because it seems like Chelsea was 316 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: legitimately in love and maybe Matt wasn't. And you know what, 317 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: perhaps they watched back the series where Matt was, you know, 318 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: making out with Abby and grinding away. 319 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: And she thought, what the hell? 320 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: That has always made me feel a little strange when 321 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the bachelor or the bachelorette says that they knew who 322 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: they were always going to pick, but then they're sort 323 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: of canoodling up until the last day with the other contestant. 324 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: I feel like there's gonna be a lot of pressure 325 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: on Angie from Channel ten to maintain this relationship well 326 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: into next year. So it should be interesting to see 327 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: what happens. Well, I'm going to call it. I don't 328 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: think it's gonna last. Sadly for Angie. Now moving on 329 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: to the pop culture stories that made news this week, 330 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: Sadly the relationship has broken down. Charlotte Crosby reveals she 331 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: and boyfriend Joshua Ritchie have split after two years together, 332 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: and that is from the Daily Mail. So Charlotte announced 333 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: a split on Instagram and wish josh all the best 334 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: for the future. She wrote, me and Josh have decided 335 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: to part ways sadly the relationship seems to have broken down, 336 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: hoping we can still remain civil. Yet, Josh is yet 337 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: to post anything online about the breakup. He instead posted 338 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: footage of himself parting with Powers in Manchester on Saturday night. 339 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm actually really sad because I am a lover of 340 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the Charlotte Crosby show. SOF and I have both met 341 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: Charlotte before, and she is such a nice girl. 342 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: And do you know. 343 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: What I instantly thought of when I heard about the breakup. 344 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: This comes the same I think, around the same week 345 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: that Gary Beadle, who was a former love interest of 346 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Charlotte in the Jordi shore House, He's announced his engagement 347 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: to his baby mama, So be. 348 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: The salt in the wound. 349 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: I know it's quite sad though, because Charlotte and Josh 350 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: have just moved in together. Charlotte left her beautiful house 351 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: in Newcastle to move in with Josh in Bolton, and 352 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: while their relationship did seem quite rocky during some of 353 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: their episodes, they did genuinely seem really sweet. And I 354 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: know Charlotte's I think she's nearly thirty, and you can 355 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: tell that she is looking for something really serious. And 356 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if Josh is the guy. 357 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: I mean, he is twenty five. 358 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: I was always very skeptical of their relationship because he 359 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: did appear on X on the Beach, he was a 360 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: known party boy. 361 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: They seemed cute together. 362 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: They did seem cute together, but I always felt like 363 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: he might have been using her a bit for fame 364 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: and to be on the show. Well, she recently came 365 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: out to the Mail Online and she was cushing about 366 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: living with Josh, and she said that it's coming up 367 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: to their third anniversary and she admitted she really wants 368 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: to get married. She wants Josh to pop the question. 369 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: So whether that was a contentious issue, I know she 370 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: was quite forward on the show about wanting married and 371 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: kids with Josh, and she always seemed to be the 372 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: one that was a bit more invested in the relationship. Yeah, 373 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: it definitely did come across that way on the show 374 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: that she was kind of pushing for it a little 375 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: bit more than him. I mean, and Charlotte was his 376 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: first girlfriend. So maybe it is just a factor of 377 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: him not being ready to get married and perhaps he 378 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: just feels like he's not there yet and wants her 379 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: to meet someone that is there. Well, to be honest, 380 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: I can probably see them getting back together next week, 381 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: but we'll just have to wait and see. The next 382 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: headline reads, couple give newborn blended surname, sparking divide online. 383 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: So a Sydney couple decided to blend both of their 384 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: surnames to create one surname for their baby, and as 385 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: the headline says, it sparked a lot of debate online. 386 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: So they've put together the last name Cassa and Sheldon 387 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: and created Castleton. 388 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: For their daughter. You know what, I love this. 389 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: We've been talking about this a bit, and you know 390 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: the fact that women and men get married a lot 391 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: older these days, it is a lot harder for women 392 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: to give up their last name. This has been with 393 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: your whole life. Why should we have to give it up. 394 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: I like the fact that they're giving the child a 395 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: piece of their own name and their own identity. Well, 396 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: I want to know if that means they've changed their 397 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: last name to that, because it doesn't actually say. But 398 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: there was a quite an interesting stat It said that 399 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: this particular baby isn't the only baby to be given 400 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: a blended last name. This year, statistics from New South 401 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: Wales Register of Birth, Deaths and Marriages revealed that children 402 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: who share the same last name as their parents has 403 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: dropped by more than fifty percent since nineteen eighty And 404 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: I actually said only three percent of children in twenty 405 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: nineteen were given a hyphenated last name. 406 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 407 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: Well, my boyfriend Brandon and I we have the perfect 408 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: blended last name planned, but I mean I don't know 409 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: if it's the perfect well not. 410 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: Planned, but you know it would. 411 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: So My last name is Torba and his Hancock, so 412 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: we said we should be the Torpcox. Well that was 413 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the name of our netball team for a while, wasn't it. 414 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: When there are a lot of torbur and Hancock's playing, 415 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: So it makes sense. I kind of like Torbcock better 416 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: than Hancock. I probably would drop the word cock though 417 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: out of it. 418 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: What would it be then? Well it could be Hanburt. 419 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: I don't know that sounds weird as well. 420 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'm made a bit of a pickle because if 421 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: I end up marrying my boyfriend Dale, he has the 422 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: longest name. 423 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: It is unbelievable. 424 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: He's got well a first name obviously two middle names 425 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: and a hyphenated last name. So if I wanted to 426 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: keep my last name, I'd be Spareway Humphrey's Torbur. 427 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 2: I don't know if that would even fit on anything. 428 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: That'd be fun if you working in news still to 429 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: have signed off with that last name. Oh be a 430 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: bit of a mouthful. That would be the whole minute package, 431 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: just me saying my name. We have been told by 432 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: a listener that he has been playing this podcast to 433 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: his class. 434 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: Bless him. 435 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: That's lovely, and one of the students has listened back 436 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: to a few episodes and she apparently eats the malteser 437 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: every time we mentioned our boyfriends. So I hope you're 438 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: stocking up that's right, and we do apologize for that. 439 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: The next article is bride's shock response to brother proposing 440 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: at her wedding. Yahoo's seven. So I first read this 441 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: headline and I thought, oh my gosh, this is going 442 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: to be about a bridezilla who's gone nuts about her 443 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: brother proposing. But actually this bride was amazing, so she 444 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: actually was in on it. Her brother said that he 445 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: wanted to propose to his girlfriend because all his family 446 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: and friends were there and the bride was like, cool, 447 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: let's do it. So when she went to throw the bouquet, 448 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: which is obviously all the single ladies are meant to 449 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: crowd around and whoever gets it's meant to be the 450 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: next one getting married. She went to throw it, then 451 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: turned around and handed it to her brother's girlfriend, and 452 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: then the brother got down on one knee. The interesting 453 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: thing has been that people have gone nuts online saying, 454 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I would not deal. One person even 455 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: wrote I will die at their funeral if someone did 456 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: this at my wedding. Do you know what? This reminds 457 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: me of the episode of Friends where Chandler and Monica 458 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: get engaged and Monica accuses Rachel of trying to steal 459 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: her thunder by getting with Ross on the same day. 460 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know if I'd really like that. 461 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, at least he had the sense to actually 462 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: ask her. I think that's all fine. If the bride's 463 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: cool about it, then that's good. 464 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 465 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: I don't think a wedding is the best place to 466 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: propab well, at least when they throw the bouquet. It's 467 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of at the end of the wedding, so it's 468 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: kind of you know, slowing down by then. I mean, 469 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't like one of you guys to do 470 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: that at my wedding because I feel like we share 471 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: enough special occasions together, that's right. 472 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: So anybody thinking of doing that at anyone's. 473 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: So if you'll elate to the party and wondering what 474 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: TikTok actually is, it's time to strap in. The popular 475 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: short video app is the fastest growing social media app 476 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: in the world, with over a billion users joining the platform. 477 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: While it's currently dominated by gen zters taking on quirky 478 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: challenges and memes, marketing experts say the platform has potential 479 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: to take over Instagram and help out your business. So 480 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: what exactly is TikTok For those who've never heard of it, Well, 481 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: people might be surprised to find out that TikTok was 482 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: actually developed over five years ago and was formerly known 483 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: as musically I think I'm pronouncing that right. Two years ago, 484 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: it was brought out by a Beijing based company who 485 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: changed the name and then decided to launch it in Europe. 486 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: It is now available in seventy five different languages across 487 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty global markets, and it's been downloaded 488 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: if you'll believe nine hundred and fifty million times. Wow, geez. 489 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: So do you know how many times Instagram has been downloaded? 490 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm assuming in the billions. 491 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: It would be well into the billions. 492 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Interestingly, in Australia it has one point four million active 493 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: users at the moment. 494 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: A lot are from gen Z. 495 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: So I've had a little bit about TikTok and I've 496 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: got a tiktokccount. We've got a TikTok account for the podcast, 497 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: which we probably should do. 498 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: A little bit more on. 499 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: What is quite unique about TikTok is the fact that 500 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: it is just a video platform, so unlike Instagram, you 501 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: can't post pretty photos. You've kind of got to do 502 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: something a little bit quirky. And it does seem a 503 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: little well, a lot like Vine. 504 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: Would you say. 505 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: So it does, and it's very much fueled by challenges 506 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: at the moment, that's what seems to be captivating the 507 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: gen zetters. And it's a lot of people miming to music. 508 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: I don't like that. 509 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I don't like the miming, but I love the challenges. 510 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: If you look on the hashtags, there was this challenge 511 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: where people were getting a glass and They had like 512 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: a two liter bottle of coke and they had to 513 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: pour it in the glass without sort of It was 514 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: kind of like a freeze kind of thing when their 515 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: parents are in the background. It was hilarious. Well, marketers 516 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: are saying what is great about TikTok is it's a 517 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: place to engage rather than just connect with friends like 518 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: other apps. And it's quite different because it doesn't really 519 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: rely on friends or follow a system. You can still 520 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: message your friends and share content, but you get a 521 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: lot of other people's content organically in your feeds, unlike Instagram, 522 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: so you don't even have to be following these people, 523 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: but you're getting content given to you that they think 524 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: you're going to be interested in from your other searches. 525 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: The only thing I think they need to change for 526 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: it to be big is every time you log onto 527 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: the app, it starts playing somewhat like random video really loudly, 528 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: like can you imagine, I mean, it's all meant to 529 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: be school kids on it. Can you imagine opening it 530 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: at school? 531 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: It was like, mah, Well. 532 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: TikTok really started evolving when some of these big brands 533 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: started getting involved. I didn't realize this, but I thought 534 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: This was pretty crazy. Guests encouraged TikTok users to create 535 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: a video using the hashtag in my denim, and they 536 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: got people to sing to a song called I'm a Mess. 537 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: So over five thousand entries was submitted and it helped 538 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: them grow their account by twelve thousand followers and they 539 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: had ten point five million views on this video. Sure, 540 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: it really is showing how businesses can utilize this app 541 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: to gain an audience online. Do you know what though, 542 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: the fact that big brands like that are getting on now, 543 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: it's either going to be a winner for the app 544 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: or it's going to absolutely ruin it. Because I think 545 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: the reason that TikTok is so popular with jen Zetas 546 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: is because if you go on Facebook, everyone's. 547 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: Parents are on it. 548 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: Now everyone's aunties and uncles are on it. Instagram, I 549 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: think it's starting to get that way, and it's also 550 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: getting filled with advertisements, so people are just wanting real 551 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: and funny content, so that actually might turn people away. 552 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: If brands are going to use it a bit like 553 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: they use Instagram as well as these big brands they're 554 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: getting on board, they're also getting some of the biggest 555 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: influences involved now I've mentioned her before. 556 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: I love Saffron Barker. 557 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: She has about three or four million subscribers on her 558 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: YouTube channel and recently she was paid to promote TikTok 559 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: across her YouTube channel and Instagram. I would love to 560 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: know how much she was paid for that. 561 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: Well, even locally. 562 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson did a whole video explaining to her followers 563 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: how to use the app, and it was because at 564 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: first I was like, oh wow, she must really like 565 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: it because it kept popping up on her Instagram and 566 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, she's being paid with this. 567 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: We were talking last week with the owner of Frank 568 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: Body Jets Hatst's about the value of influencers and the 569 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: fact that some are getting paid sixty grand for just 570 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: a mention in a video. So I'm assuming maybe Sammy 571 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: was paid something similar. I can't imagine the amount that 572 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: someone like Saffron Barker, though with three million followers, is 573 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: being pushed. It shows you TikTok have a lot of 574 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: money and they want. 575 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: To take over from Instagram. 576 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: What people are loving about this app is they say 577 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: it's kind of a more unfiltered influencer, so everyday people 578 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of like what YouTube used to be. Everyday 579 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: people are becoming big on there. One of the interests 580 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: me was a lady by the name of Leanne Bailey 581 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: and she's actually a baker and she created her account 582 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: to promote her bakery, so she kind of just shows 583 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: how she makes a product, the food porn. 584 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and since starting on TikTok, she's a mass of. 585 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: Four point four million fans and she now is getting 586 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: paid by music labels to use their songs over the 587 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: top of her videos. My god, very lucrative way that businesses. 588 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: If they're actually getting if they're actually creative, they can 589 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: be making a large amount of money from there. Do 590 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: you think that people are liking TikTok because you mentioned 591 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: that there's more people that you'd consider the real people 592 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: who are you know, like this bay care that are 593 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: gaining lots of followers. Do you think people are sick 594 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: of the over edited pictures that people are putting up 595 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: and this fake persona because it seems like to be 596 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: big on TikTok you have to have a bit of humor. 597 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: You can't just be hot. You've got to be talented. 598 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta have a bit of talent with the 599 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: videos well, I did read a really interesting article by 600 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: Josephine Parson for ABC Life and she wrote why TikTok 601 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: is restoring my faith in social media, And she did 602 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: bring up that concept where she said, the other platforms 603 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: like Instagram and Facebook are constantly making us sell ourselves 604 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: and try and convince our friends that we're kind of 605 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: holding it all together and we have these perfect lives. 606 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: But then with TikTok, you're kind of being promoted to 607 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: get in and create content with people and be part 608 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: of the movement. 609 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: I kind of like. 610 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: About it because I feel like, you know, you mentioned 611 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: that it's I think it's over a million people in 612 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Australia or on it. I feel like if I wanted 613 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: to make some funny videos, I could put them on TikTok, 614 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: and the fear of your auntie and uncle or whoever 615 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: seeing your stupid videos isn't there that you just well, 616 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: that's the thing. The large majority of videos on TikTok 617 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: are collaborative or they're encouraging people through the hashtags to 618 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: get involved, and they're very low effort videos. It's not 619 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: like you're having to put some huge production to life. 620 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that was the failing of Instagram, the fact 621 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: that before you could just snap a photo and put 622 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: it up on Instagram and be fine with it. But 623 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: now you feel like it's going to be a professional 624 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: photo that's been run through every filtering app. But with TikTok, 625 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: it's so raw and it's just fun. It's kind of 626 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: like a bit like Snapchat. It reminds me of, well, 627 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: what do you think about for the business space. We 628 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: obviously touched on this baker who's earning big bucks, but 629 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in the business world from a PR perspective, 630 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: whether it is worth our clients jumping on board. What's 631 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: your take on it? Well, just last week, TikTok has 632 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: actually started allowing users to add links to e commerce 633 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: sites to their profiles, and they're doing this as a 634 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: bit of a test to see how popular it is. 635 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: So it's now offering creative the ability to send their 636 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: viewers to a shopping website or brand, So it's a 637 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: game change. It's very similar obviously to what Instagram are doing, 638 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: but they've only rolled out this in America so far, 639 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: and it could significantly change how lucrative this platform is 640 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: for influencers. So it's kind of signaling what TikTok's ambition 641 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: is in the market. Do you know What's funny though, 642 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: it could actually destroy some influence as well. So if 643 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: all the movement goes to TikTok and they don't add 644 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: the feature of photos, you know, when you see some 645 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: girl that's huge or a guy that's huge on Instagram 646 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: because they're hot, and then you watch their YouTube videos 647 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: and they have zero personality and you're kind of like, 648 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: oh well. It's clear though, the Instagram are very threatened 649 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: by this move because they have recently launched a new 650 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: tool called Reels and that borrows some of the most 651 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: popular features of TikTok. So Reels allows users to create 652 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: music videos from the fifteen seconds wow, the same length 653 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: of time allowed on TikTok. 654 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: And this is minna on TikTok though as well. 655 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is very reminiscent to me of when 656 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Snapchat seemed to be taking over with their stories and 657 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: suddenly Instagram introduced stories. Well, and that really does show 658 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: the threat of TikTok, doesn't it. 659 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: But Instagram. 660 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: I think Instagram stayed alive because of the stories, because 661 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: of that instantaneous nature, because it was becoming an app 662 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: that you just wouldn't use regularly because everything. 663 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: Had to be perfect. 664 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've heard Gary Vee talk a lot about TikTok, 665 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: and he's always said that in order for TikTok to 666 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: take over Instagram, they're going to have to introduce phothows 667 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: and I tend to agree with him. I think TikTok 668 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: could potentially evolve and be a huge app, but I 669 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: think the fact that Instagram has photos, yeah, you can't 670 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: beat that. And as people might not know, Gary Vee 671 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: is an incredible marketer and he believes there is enough 672 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: scale for TikTok to do what Instagram did to Facebook 673 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: at the moment. And he said that although there's a 674 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: perception that this app is only for young kids, he 675 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: said it's very similar to the earlier perceptions of Facebook 676 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: and Instagram. So they all started young and then they 677 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: age up. So Gary's urging people to strike the platform 678 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: while it's hot, and he said it's more important to 679 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: put energy into a platform that's actually going to exist 680 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: in a decade. So he's kind of pointing out that 681 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: Instagram might be on its last legs. I don't think 682 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: Instagram is going to die, if anything, Facebook will die 683 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: before in Facebook is dying, it is low death at 684 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: the moment. Well, from a PR perspective, I've been looking 685 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: into TikTok a lot, and I do think the benefits 686 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: are there for people to get onto it. Now. 687 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: I'm very interested in. 688 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: TikTok from a PR perspective, so I have been looking 689 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: into it a lot, and I think it does make 690 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: sense if you do have a business, for people to 691 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: actually create a TikTok account and start posting content. Because 692 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: the reason that someone like Gary Vee is pushing people 693 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: to use TikTok is because while it has a lot 694 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: of users, there's not heaps of content, so your content 695 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: actually has the ability to break through. So I did 696 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: a little test the other day. I posted on a 697 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: random TikTok account of quite a funny video, and this 698 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: account had zero followers. He got at least four hundred views, 699 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: which doesn't sound huge, But to get four hundred views 700 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram if you don't follow anyone, no one's following you, 701 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: you've not used any hashtags, that's impossible. You would probably 702 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: get two views. So you can see the power of 703 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: TikTok already. Well. People also have to remember that some 704 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: of the biggest stars on Snapchat, YouTube and Instagram first 705 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: captivated their audience on Vine, which is obviously no longer around. 706 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: So someone like. 707 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Logan Paul, he started his career on Vine. So TikTok 708 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: could be a huge launching pad for a lot of 709 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: new influencers, careers or content creators definitely, And from everything 710 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: I've read about those big influences, they need to know 711 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: when to make the change. So you can see Sammy 712 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: Robinson and people like Saffron, despite probably being paid by TikTok, 713 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: they had to make that decision to take up that 714 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: sponsorship of course, but you can see that they're moving 715 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: their brand onto TikTok. So and Michael Finch has as 716 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: well talking about Australian influencers, and I think there might 717 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: be a lot of influencers that get left behind. Maybe 718 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: the hotties that are relying on their photoshopped images that 719 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: don't have the wit and skill to make TikTok videos, 720 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: they may potentially get left well. That's what I find 721 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: exciting though, because it is a tool for content creators 722 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: and it is a really great training ground. 723 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: For people to actually create videos with a bit of substance. 724 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: I know at the moment they are all joke videos, 725 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: but you know there's a bit of comedy involved. 726 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: It's not just as you say, people relying on their bodies. 727 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: I hate those videos where people mime, though I don't 728 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: know why people watch them. The worst thing is, at 729 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: the moment, most of the influencers Sammy Robinson, who I love, 730 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: unfortunately using brand new Apple phones which have been found 731 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: out to have a delayed reaction, so the audios off. 732 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: So the audio is off for all new do you 733 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: know what, and it just makes them look crap at mindy. 734 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: Isn't that such a first world problem? 735 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: My brand new iPhone doesn't let me record my songs 736 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: to TikTok because it's not singing up with the apps properly. 737 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: I know what a blow And if you'd like to 738 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: follow us on TikTok, we are on there as Outspoken Underscore, 739 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: the Underscore podcast, and I think we're gonna have to 740 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: do some videos. So I've been trying to talk you 741 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: and Kate into doing some funny videos. Well I think 742 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: it's hard because no miming. Sorry, TikTok is at that 743 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: cringe level. I don't want to create anything too cringe 744 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: but I'm sure we can create something of interest. Perhaps 745 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: maybe this will inspire us and we will put up 746 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: our first serious video. 747 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: Well, if anyone has any ideas or what they'd like 748 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: to see. 749 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: Actually, sorry, that is my pet hate when people on 750 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: YouTube we can't even come up with their own ideas 751 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: and ask people. 752 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 2: So I take that back. 753 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: I have about ten ideas that I've already told you, 754 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: so we'll just go with one of them. Then trying 755 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: to seek out your opinions everybody. And now moving on 756 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: to our cringe social media moment of the week, Sophie, 757 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: can you enlighten us? 758 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: Well, I haven't been able to. 759 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: Get past Sky Wheatley's new renovation series. Now, for those 760 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: who don't watch her, Sky Wheatley is obviously a former 761 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: Big Brother contestant turned influencer, and she is absolutely hilarious. 762 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: In her YouTube's. It's a very guilty pleasure of mine 763 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 2: to watch them. 764 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: But what has really perhaps infuriated me is that she 765 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: and her partner Locky have bought this abandoned mansion. 766 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: It is incredible. 767 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: Have you seen this place, Aimy? Yeah, I have seen 768 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: the video. It's like some old mansion. I mean, I 769 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: love their old house. They did a great job. Her 770 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: Lockie did a great job doing all of the reno's 771 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: on that. The whole driveway is lined by probably a 772 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: row of ten to fifteen palm trees, and it's massive. 773 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: It's got this incredible pool. I want to know what 774 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: area it's in. 775 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: And it sounded like there was something dodgy that happened 776 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: at that place. When they were kind of bidding for 777 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: it at oction, one man approached them and said that 778 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: a child was killed in there, which is just awful, 779 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: but I do not think it's true. Anyway, they've started 780 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: this renovation series and the first episode was sky cleaning 781 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: out her bedroom and it just consisted of her putting 782 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: her camera on a pile of books and us watching. 783 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: Her clean for about twenty minutes. 784 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: Well, I haven't actually seen that one, but I started 785 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: watching another video that was actually at the old mansion, 786 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: and it was her and mum cleaning out this room 787 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: and that was equally as bad. And their baby kept 788 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: crawling on the floor and she kept bringing it back. 789 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: It was like in fast forward mode, and then she 790 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: was vacuuming the whole time. 791 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: I turned it off. 792 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I watched a lot of crap on YouTube. 793 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: But I draw the line that was so cringe. 794 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: As much as Brandon would hate me to say this, 795 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: this is a guilty pleasure for us to watch it 796 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: together because the interaction between Sky and her boyfriend Lockie 797 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: is utterly hilarious. 798 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: They all wouldn't let. 799 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: Me watch that, I'm afraid, but I was just I 800 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: was disappointed because I was really excited to watch this 801 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: renovation series because I don't know why. I thought that 802 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: it might have a higher production value than the usual 803 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 1: videos to do what hanging out for Sarah's days no series, 804 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 1: And can I just add I love Sasi and Kurk, 805 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: big fan, but I'm a little bit confused because the 806 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: way they've been talking about their new house that they've bought, 807 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be some dump. 808 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you're gonna have to rip out all 809 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: of this. 810 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: It's like a really really nice new house. 811 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: So nice. 812 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: I mean you look at their you look at their 813 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: current apartment, and it's very YouTube instagrammabook yeah, So I 814 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: mean that's probably what they're trying to develop in this 815 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: new house. I was heartbroken to hear though, that we 816 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: have to wait two weeks until the first episode of that. No, 817 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: that will be Stella, though I don't think we'll be 818 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: seeing someone on Fast Forward Vacuuming. 819 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 2: No, I do not think so. 820 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: Maybe Sky, if you're listening, and we also do really 821 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: enjoy watching your stuff, maybe. 822 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: Wait two weeks you've got some more, but. 823 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: Keep it up, though I am enjoying the most recent 824 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: the most recent stuff, and I think that's all we 825 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: have time for today. Thank you guys so much for listening. 826 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: If you would like to continue the conversation, and you 827 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: can join us on Instagram at Outspoken Underscore the Underscored Podcast, 828 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: and we're also on Facebook by the same name. 829 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 2: Also, if you would like to leave. 830 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: Us a rating, preferably five stars if you have enjoyed 831 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: the show, that would be great because it does help 832 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: us out a lot. And also, as you know, I 833 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: personally love seeing the Instagram stories online. They absolutely make 834 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: my day. So if you could share where you're listening from, 835 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: I would be very very intrigued to see and even 836 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: if you just want to share a screenshot of it 837 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: to let your friends know that you're listening, and perhaps 838 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: this might be a podcast for others to listen to. 839 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: WED appreciate that too