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Speaker 1: The Christian O'Connell Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do this in two parts. First of all,

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Speaker 2: the thing you're going to get drawn in by is

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Speaker 2: this guy's voice. You know him was a great actor.

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Speaker 2: He's won an oscar, But Matthew McConaughey's voice is perfect

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Speaker 2: for radio. Anytime he wants to sit and cover for me,

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Speaker 2: he's more than welcome. But he's got an amazing voice,

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Speaker 2: and as a found out during the interview, he is

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Speaker 2: an amazing storyteller. The reason why he's doing the rounds

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Speaker 2: at the moment is he's got this book out.

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Speaker 3: And I got to be honest.

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Speaker 2: When I first got the free copy, I saw the

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Speaker 2: black and white front cover, head in his hands, looking

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Speaker 2: off into the distance in his thoughts, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: what a load of baloney. And then I read the book.

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Speaker 2: I literally read it cover to cover and I was laughing.

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Speaker 2: I was taking screenshots from it and sharing it on

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Speaker 2: our team WhatsApp. It is one of the surprises in

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Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty will go down as the Year

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Speaker 2: of the Unknown, in a year of constant surprises. The

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Speaker 2: fact that Matthew McConaughey has written one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: books of the year, not only because he's a very

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Speaker 2: very funny storyteller. I mean, laugh out loud funny. There

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Speaker 2: are some amazing stories. His child is like wild and

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Speaker 2: then you understand why he's like a kind of space

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Speaker 2: get it. Really a mystic optimist is how he described

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Speaker 2: himself to me at one point in the interview. And

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Speaker 2: normally you go, that's a bit pretentious with him, and go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's actually who you are, a mystical optimist. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: mum and dad a wild and he's just an amazing

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Speaker 2: story tell But I'm telling you an now, the book

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Speaker 2: Green Lights one of the wisest books I've read in

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Speaker 2: a very long time. There are some amazing bits in there.

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Speaker 2: So two parts. First part, then I asked him about

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Speaker 2: one of the first bits in the book where I

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Speaker 2: put down and went, I'm not sure this is true,

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Speaker 2: And then we start talking about his mum and dad

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Speaker 2: and also him being a dad. The second part, honestly,

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Speaker 2: three words that changed his life.

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Speaker 4: Alright, alright, alright.

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Speaker 2: It's a four minute long story from him. Right, you

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Speaker 2: don't hear a peep out of me because I've just

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's go to Matthew McConaughey Part one. Now, there

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Speaker 2: are so many stories in this book right At times

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Speaker 2: I had to put it down and go is this

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Speaker 2: for real? The first one which blew me away? The

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Speaker 3: Of eight build a one hundred foot high treehouse?

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Speaker 5: No, but it was at least eighty.

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Speaker 3: How old are you then, like eight?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to eight and nine years old.

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Speaker 5: Obviously I had to be around. I had to make

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Speaker 5: And then I had this pulley that I kept taking up,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Talking about mom and dad, they are a big part

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Speaker 5: Yep, that you know is a great example. If I

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Speaker 2: And then, like any big character in a drama, your

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Speaker 3: He dies whilst making love to your mom.

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Speaker 4: And he called.

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Speaker 5: He I can't damn. Many times you used to tell us.

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Speaker 5: We'd be hanging out with myself, my brother Pat and

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Speaker 4: He pulled it off.

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Speaker 5: He called this shot his ultimate shot and pulled it off.

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Speaker 3: And what has being a dad now taught you?

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Speaker 4: How do your kids?

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Speaker 3: They are two girls fourteen and sixteen?

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Speaker 5: Okay, well you and I probably have somewhat different experiences

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Speaker 5: First thing, which I'm sure you notice as well, is

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Speaker 3: That's so true. And does your wife do this?

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Speaker 5: Yes, he gets that from you. Yes, we're pretty balanced.

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Speaker 5: Hand and go, yep, that is me, thank you, you know.

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Speaker 4: And in that way there our children are little mirrors,

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Speaker 5: You know what's the other thing, I'm very surprised at

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Speaker 4: You notice that how quickly.

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Speaker 4: He like walks up and goes, ceo are in pop bye? Corn?

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Speaker 4: I know I spelled. You've got two daughters.

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Speaker 5: I've got one daughter, and I'm told I'm very guilty

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Speaker 3: It's true, is it? What about girls?

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Speaker 2: They're just you want to you want them to like

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Speaker 4: That's not true? I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Part two coming up of our chat with Matthew McConaughey.

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Speaker 2: The book is brilliant, right, and it's like he is there.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're going on this epic road trip with

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Speaker 2: him and he's just listening to music, telling stories. So

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Speaker 2: Part two cut up next. There's there's a if there

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Speaker 2: could share one thing from the from the book which

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Speaker 2: my daughters recently. It's this thing he talks about about

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Speaker 2: a process of elimination, because we all hear that thing

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Speaker 2: like in life, happiness is working out who you are.

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Speaker 2: He sort of spins it around in a book and

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Speaker 2: he starts from a place of working out who you aren't.

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Speaker 2: And that's a better way to start it anyway. Life

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Speaker 2: lesson coming from Matthew McConaughey, next things I never thought

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Speaker 2: I'd say in twenty twenty and the story about all right, alright, alright,

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Speaker 2: the three words that changed his life.

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Speaker 1: A Christian O'Connell show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Turned out for part two of our Swinging an exclusive

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Speaker 2: radio interview with Matthew McConaughey. The book is called Green Lights,

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Speaker 2: and if you're looking for books this time of year

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Speaker 2: to get people in your life, cannot recommend it enough.

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Speaker 2: I generally hand on heart. I've done the interview. I

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Speaker 2: not here live. It was recorded last week. Genuinely one

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Speaker 2: years about life. There's some really great, actually I would

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Speaker 2: say shareable wisdom in that I'm seriously on when I

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Speaker 2: thing that you're just about to hear, about this process

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Speaker 2: now life wisdom with Matthew McConaughey. The book is called

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Speaker 2: Green Lights, and then we're going to go into your

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Speaker 2: hear this epic four and a half minute story. It's

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Speaker 2: like a director's cut. Sit back, have a coffee, listen

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Speaker 2: to it. It's amazing. I've added in some of the

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Speaker 2: actual bits from the genuine scene it's talking about. But

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Speaker 2: the debut that you made is movie in was Dazed

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Speaker 2: and Confused, and he talk tells us a story about

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Speaker 2: the three words that he first said on screen in

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Speaker 2: any movie that changed his whole life.

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Speaker 3: Here we are Matthew McConaughy.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's hard knowing who we are. It's hard knowing

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Speaker 5: what we want to do. So don't put that pressure

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Speaker 5: what we want to do. And by process of elimination,

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Speaker 5: when you eliminate those people, those places, those habits that

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Speaker 5: a trajectory to where it is you just want to go,

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Speaker 5: by process of elimination. If you start getting rid of

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Speaker 5: those in front of you, by sheer mathematics, you have

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Speaker 5: more things percentage wise in front of you.

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Speaker 4: That will be what you are and what you want

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Speaker 2: One last question. Yes, I love the movie Dazed and Confused.

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Speaker 2: And then when I'm reading your book, I always wondered,

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Speaker 2: how did you get into this movie?

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Speaker 1: On you?

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Speaker 3: It was your first role.

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Speaker 2: And then I read the book and I found out

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Speaker 2: that before that, the work you were getting was as

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So here we go.

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Speaker 5: Name is Don Phillips. Don Phillips and I and get

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Speaker 5: to have and vaunting Donald's and Don's telling stories and

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Speaker 4: And hey, you ever played this course? Yeah? I played

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Speaker 4: No way, you're not that long? Yeah man, I am wow. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Only way.

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Speaker 5: He's like, you ever done any acting? And I said, Joees,

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Speaker 4: He's like, ah, Jack, great, this is Waterson. This is great.

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Speaker 5: All right, Wooterson's about his car. I'm like, well, I'm

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Speaker 5: There's two, I said, Waterson's about rock and roll. I said, well,

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Speaker 4: I got three out of four. Put it in drive. Alright, alright, alright.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good?

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Speaker 3: Cool?

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Speaker 2: It's such a great story, well told, I mean, and

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Speaker 5: I ended up working three weeks. Those words still precede me.

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Speaker 5: People ask me if I get tired of it. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: hell no, I don't get tired of it. This the

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Speaker 3: It's a fantastic read. I've loved it.

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Speaker 2: It's a book I will come back to thank you

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Speaker 2: for taking time to write this, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: starting this process thirty four years ago. You're a true

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Speaker 2: It's been a joy talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Joy talking to you. The hardest part was quitting this early.

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Speaker 3: Matthew, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it.

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