1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: On today's show, Sarah's Day reignites her Sin three drama, 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers has decided to freeze her eggs, Chloe zep sparks, Bumgate, 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: and why everyone is Rotting in bed on TikTok. Hello, 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torba, 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: And after Tuesday's episode, we opened it up to our 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Facebook group to discuss what is something you only just 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: found out that is common knowledge? Now this was after 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: your partner Reese told you that he thought sanitary pads 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: were attached to women. Yeah, he didn't really get what 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: wings were other pads. My mom was blown by a 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: couple of these, particularly that apparently pickles are just cucumbers. 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Did you guys know that? I feel like I did 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: deep down, but when it was written, I was like, 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: oh oh yeah. My favorite one was that someone said 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: that when they heard a song on the radio, they 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: used to assume that the actual band or the singer 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: was in the studio. And I related to this because 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: I used to think something similar. So, yeah, you know, 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: on the news when they have the little graphics up 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: about which stories next, and usually there'd be a photo 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: up of someone who'd gone missing or whatever. I used 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: to think that every news station had a photo of 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: everyone on file, so just in case something happened to you, 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: it was shared up there. It's funny that you thought 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: that as a child, and that kind of is the 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: reality now with Facebook and social media, because it's pretty 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: easy for news stations to find a picture of everyone. Yeah, 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: I did laugh because when I first started working in news, 30 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: I worked in the library department for a couple of years, 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: and they do have vision of a lot of things, 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: but definitely not individual people. Well, your Facebook photo is 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: called your death photo because that's the image that the 34 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: news is going to run if anything happens. It's cheery. 35 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: Better make sure it's a nice one. 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: Part two of my cervix update. I wouldn't really call 37 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: this a storytime. It's more a revelation I've literally just had. 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Sarah's day has concerned her followers by revealing she's two 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: years overdue for her cervical screening test. The controversial fitness 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: influencer is considered high risk and requires frequent testing after 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: being die nose with high grade cervical displacia in twenty seventeen. 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: At the time, Sarah caused controversy when she claimed she 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: had naturally healed her sin three by healthy eating and supplements. 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: In reality, it's likely her cervical displacia naturally regress. Now, Kate, 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: can you tell us more about Sarah's video? Well, she 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: actually shared her story in three parts on TikTok, which 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: she titled Abnormal Cells on My Cervix. And I think 48 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: there is a reason why she chose TikTok rather than 49 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Instagram to share her story, but we'll go into that 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: a little bit later. So to hook people into the video, 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: she started off by saying this, I've. 52 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Been putting this off for like two years, and I'm 53 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: not nervous. I'm just like dreading what potentially may be 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: the snowball effectable of this. 55 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: She then went on to explain her history with cervical 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: displacia and the need for her to get frequent cervical 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: screening tests. Interestingly, she omitted the controversial part of her 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: story when she claimed to have naturally cured herself. Sarah 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: then went on to use her pregnancy as an excuse 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: for not being up with her important health checks. Let's 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: throw to what she said. 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: So I was supposed to get my last perhaps mere 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: two years ago, but I got pregnant, right, And when 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: I get pregnant, I'm like, don't touch me there, right, 65 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: Like this is not advice for anyone, by the way. 66 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: This is just my life. 67 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: Yes, when I'm pregnant, I'm I don't freak out. I'm 68 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: just like I can't believe I'm pregnant. 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh. 70 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: I was like praying that everything's fine, and like I 71 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: don't want anything to go wrong. So I'm like, nobody 72 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: touched my cervix, nobody, not even my husband. But yeah, 73 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: I didn't want to go down there and like get 74 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: a biopsy and get chopped up when I'm like pregnant. 75 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Right. 76 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: So I was pregnant to nearly two years ago, and 77 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: then I've been breastfeeding, so I have neglected myself. I've 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: been putting this off. 79 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: I was really confused by this explanation, particularly because the 80 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Cancer Council says that it is safe for pregnant women 81 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: who are due for a cervical screening test to do so, 82 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: and also cervical screening tests have not been linked to 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: an increased rate of miscarriage at all. Yeah. I was 84 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: a little bit taken aback when she said that, because 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: I think people are going to take that Honors advice 86 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: and think, Oh, if I'm pregnant, it's probably not safe 87 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: for me to get a cervical screen. Yeah. Particularly when 88 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: her audience is made up of a lot of mums, 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: they do look to her for advice, particularly on health. 90 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: And I think that it is interesting that she's using 91 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: TikTok to spread this sort of rhetoric because the videos 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: are so short and it's not a safe platform to 93 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: be putting out health information. Yeah. Well. Sarah also spoke 94 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: about how she's been neglecting herself following the birth of 95 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: her son, Malachi, and she said due to a number 96 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: of health issues with her son, she didn't feel like 97 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: she could put the emotional burden on her husband Kurt 98 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: if there was something wrong with her. And it was 99 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: difficult not to feel concerned after watching this video, particularly 100 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: when she was saying how her family were on her 101 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: back about getting it done and that they were worried 102 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: about her. I totally get that she and her family 103 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: have gone through a really tough time having a child 104 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: that's unwell, but I do think that it's really important 105 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: to remember that you need to look after yourself, particularly 106 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: when you are caring for children. Yeah, especially when she 107 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: mentioned she was locked in to get a biopsy when 108 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: she fell pregnant with Malachi two years ago and hasn't 109 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: done so. I wonder if I had anything to do 110 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: with the pandemic, because a lot of people missed vital 111 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: doctor's appointments because they couldn't get in or they were 112 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: in lockdown. Yeah, that is a good point. I mean, 113 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Sarah was in that big Sydney lockdown. She hasn't actually 114 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that at all as a reason. It seems more 115 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: she was in denial and not wanting to have something 116 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: bad happen when her son was sick. And I do 117 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: feel for her because that would be very anxiety inducing 118 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: for someone who is very health anxious, like myself. Though 119 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand why she would be sharing this deeply 120 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: personal medical information on TikTok, particularly before she's even got 121 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: the results. See, this is my issue when people bread 122 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: crumb medical conditions. For instance, we spoke about Tammy Hembro 123 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: on Tuesday's episode, and I said that I really like 124 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: the fact that she only shared about her melanoma being 125 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: cut out after it happened. I think it's really problematic 126 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: of Sarah's day to be almost anticipating something going wrong 127 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: just to get views. And that's why this is really concerning, 128 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: because she does have a history of details telling how 129 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: she has apparently cured medical issues like her SIN three 130 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen. I'm worried that this is just 131 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: the start of maybe a series of videos that she's 132 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: going to share. Yeah. Well, we touched on it, I 133 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: think last week when she started talking about her period, 134 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: and that's what she used to discuss as part of content. 135 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: Now she's discussing this SIN three thing again. It's like 136 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: she knows that it's great engagement. And it's also worrying 137 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: because she seems to be pushing a lot of medical 138 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: misinformation again because during one of these videos, she said 139 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: that pregnancy hormones can exacerbate abnormal cells, which is why 140 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: she's concerned. And I did a little bit of research 141 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: into this, and I can't find anything that supports this statement. 142 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: I did read that the HPV infection can be activated 143 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: by pregnancy, but from what I've read, it appears that 144 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: pregnancy doesn't seem to increase the progression of abnormal cell changes. 145 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, obviously, but just wanted to share 146 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: that I could not find any link to this. Yeah, 147 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: and the thing is a lot of people are using 148 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: TikTok like Google and finding information out about medical issues 149 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: and taking that as herbatim. I did find Sarah's decision 150 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: to share this update on TikTok and interesting one, as 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: I touched on earlier, because TikTok is arguably the most 152 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: popular social media platform at the moment, and it's the 153 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: one that she's got the least amount of followers on. 154 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: So she has two hundred and twenty six thousand followers 155 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: on TikTok compared to her one point two million on 156 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Instagram and one point five on YouTube. I do want 157 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: to point out as well that the number on Instagram 158 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: and YouTube hasn't really grown at all. Yeah, so it's 159 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: quite clear that she sees TikTok as an important platform, 160 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: and she spoke on an Instagram story about how TikTok's 161 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: not really her thing. She's a millennial, she's more of 162 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: an Instagram and YouTube girl, Yet she chose TikTok to 163 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: share this story even though she said the reason behind 164 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: sharing it was because she was getting so many questions 165 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: about where she was at with her cervical display. Sure, 166 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: if that's the case, wouldn't you provide the update on 167 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: the platforms you have the most followers on. I do 168 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: think Sarah is very calculated when it comes to social media. 169 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: I recall hearing her and Kurt speak on their podcast 170 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: and it was all about TikTok and how they were 171 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: very well connected with a big wig at TikTok in Australia. 172 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: He was telling them, you don't need to put so 173 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: much production effort into your tiktoks, and he was saying 174 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: how basically videos that are shot on your phone work 175 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: a lot better. Notice that video is shot on her 176 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: phone in her car and in her car. Yeah. And 177 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that she really is trying to pivot back 178 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: to the old style of content that got her so 179 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: many followers back in the day on YouTube and Instagram. Yeah, 180 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: because if you notice a lot of the cooking videos 181 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: she's done on TikTok a very high quality and no 182 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: one's really consuming that type of content or it's not 183 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: going off as much. Yeah. I think the worrying thing 184 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: I noticed on TikTok in her comment section with that 185 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: so many women were praising her, like, oh, thank you 186 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: so much for sharing this information with us, and it's like, yes, 187 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: I understand it's good to talk about cervical screenings, but 188 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: I don't think we should be praising someone for saying 189 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: that they're two years late to it and then they 190 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: ignored their doctor's guidance to get one. Yeah, because it 191 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: just normalizes waiting. People think, oh, it's okay to wait 192 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: because Sarah's day waited. One of the most troubling things 193 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: that she said during those three part videos is oh, 194 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I wanted to find out the 195 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: news then because I didn't have the time to fix myself. 196 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: So again she was using that sort of language about 197 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: fixing and healing. I do really hope she gets some 198 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: good news with her test results, not only for Sarah 199 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: but also for the community, because I don't want her 200 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: sharing any more videos about this sin three drama. Moving forward, 201 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: I live for a day where there's nothing on the calendar, 202 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and I open my eyes whenever there's no alarm and 203 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: I go, oh, this day is mine. TikTok's latest wellness 204 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: trend is one I can really get around. It's called 205 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: bed rotting, and it's all about relaxing in bed, guilt free. 206 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: The best bit is people are passing this off as 207 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: self care, and it's really taken off on TikTok, with 208 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: the hashtag rotting in bed getting millions of views. So 209 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: when you scroll through the trend, you'll literally see people 210 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: lying in bed, binging on their favorite TV shows, eating 211 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: junk food, and scrolling on social media. I'm not big 212 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: on TikTok, but maybe I've got a film one of 213 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: these videos. I saw someone filming a get Ready with 214 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: me before I bed rot all day and I was like, 215 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: what has the world come today? Yeah, there's some videos 216 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of people getting all glammed up to rotten. See. I 217 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: think that that sort of takes away from what bed 218 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: rotting is. I feel like you should be looking your 219 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: worse when you're doing this, because I feel like I 220 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: have been bed rotting in winter. I feel like it 221 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: has something to do with the seasons, because at nighttime 222 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: all you want to do is line in bed, watch TV, 223 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: eat takeaway with your partner. I do feel like a 224 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: lot of mums and dads be rolling their eyes though 225 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: at this trend and not being able to relate to 226 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: it at all. Now there is a difference between just 227 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: napping and bed rotting. So with bed rotting, you're not 228 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: allowed to have any judgment. It's all about being selfish 229 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: in a very good way, and it can last from 230 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: anywhere from a couple of hours to a whole weekend. 231 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: The thing is, who doesn't like lying in bed and 232 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: doing nothing. I think that this is a trend because 233 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: everyone does it, but now it's just socially acceptable to 234 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: talk about it. My only concerent about it is that 235 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of glamorizing just lying around in bed, and 236 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: there are people who probably do lie around in bed. 237 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: They might be depressed, and people might just go, oh, 238 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: they're just bed rotting. They're fine, Yeah, that's true. The 239 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: thing is, I think that there is a bit of 240 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: a difference between depression and also bed rotting, because what 241 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: you're saying on TikTok is people enjoying the moment where 242 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: they're just switching off. Like you've got to think about it. 243 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: Gen Z's they're always connected to the outside world, they're 244 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: always available to be contacted, and it's them turning off 245 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: all their phones. So you say that they have their 246 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: phones off, but aren't they filming themselves doing this? True? 247 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's a little bit of hypocrisy going on. 248 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of triggered millennials that are like, 249 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: you need to get off your ass and go and 250 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: do something and go to work. It's funny you say 251 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: that because an American marketing professor, Scott Galloway, recently said 252 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: that people should never be at home except to sleep 253 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: for seven hours, and this comment went absolutely viral. He 254 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: claims that if you're not home a lot, it allows 255 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: you to be successful in both professional and a romantic sense. 256 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny because this bed rotting is the complete 257 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: opposite of what he's saying. I do remember hearing that 258 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: in our year twelve psychology class that the only thing 259 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: you should do in bed is go to sleep, and 260 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that it can I mean, this is probably greatly affecting 261 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: some of these kids sleep. Yes, but that was in 262 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: reference to that you shouldn't be studying in your bed 263 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: or watching TV because then you're not going to be 264 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: able to fall. Yeah, I think you can unwind in bed. 265 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: What so if you're bed rotting all day, you're not 266 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: really going to sleep that night. I'm gonna ashame them 267 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: because I think I would have been bedronning for bloody 268 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: my whole adolescent life if it was possible. I think 269 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: we need a more glamorous name for bed rotting, though, 270 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: because it doesn't give me a particularly good sight when 271 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: I think about it. Hey, TikTok, I want to talk 272 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: to you about periods. Olivia Rodgers has shared with her 273 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: followers that she has decided to freeze her eggs now. 274 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: She made the announcement by sharing a number of quotes 275 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: about fertility to her Instagram's story. Alongside the quotes, Olivia wrote, 276 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: I have been thinking about it more this week after 277 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: spending time with my new nephew. I also have quite 278 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: a few friends who have either just had a baby 279 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: or they are due very soon, which is so exciting 280 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: and I'm truly so happy for them. I had an 281 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: appointment last week to look into freezing my eggs. I'm 282 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: going to go ahead with it, and I will share 283 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: more about it when I do. I want to give 284 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: myself the best possible chance to be a mum when 285 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: the time is right for me now. As she touched on, 286 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: she did spend the week and in her hometown of 287 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: Adelaide visiting her niece Winnie and her nephew Walter need 288 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: to cut in because those two names are so cute together, 289 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Winnie and Walter. They give very rich girl vibes to 290 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: he's very old money vibes. When I saw her posting 291 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: these videos and photos of her with a niece and nephew, 292 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: my heart really broke for her because when she announced 293 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: her separation from Justin McKean in October last year, they 294 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: were trying for a baby. Because she's moved on so 295 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: quickly with Morgan Waterhouse, you just look at her life 296 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: and it looks very glamorous, and you assume she's back 297 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: to normal and all okay. But she did reveal recently 298 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: that she is experiencing a bit of a sliding doors 299 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: moment in her life. So she wrote, I still have 300 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: moments where I feel really strange. It's not sadness at 301 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: this point, but it does feel weird thinking about how 302 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: different my life would be right now if I continued 303 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: on that same path. I'm grateful for where I am, 304 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: but it doesn't take away the fact I really want 305 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: to be a mum one day now. The path she 306 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: is referring to is IVF treatment. Soon after Olivia announced 307 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: her breakup with Justin, she explained that she was going 308 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: through IVF treatment in months before the split, and at 309 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: the time, she wrote, this has been one of the 310 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: hardest parts of the breakup, something I grieved heavily, as 311 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: I was actually going through fertility treatment in August and 312 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: September after trying to feel pregnant for quite a while. 313 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting because Olivia is revealed that 314 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: she will be sharing her egg freezing experience on social media, 315 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: just like her friend Tully smythe and you remember Tully 316 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: copped a lot of shit after she collaborated with a 317 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: fertility clinic, so it'll be interesting to see whether Olivia 318 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: goes down that route. I think a lot of this 319 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: criticism thrown at Tully was really unfair when she did 320 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: announce his partnership, because at the time, a lot of 321 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: people thought that she was being paid to do this collaboration, 322 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: when in fact she was just being gifted the treatment. 323 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: And I think that if she had made that more 324 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: obvious when she announced it, she probably wouldn't have received 325 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: as much backlash. To be fair, I don't think that 326 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: the Instagram tools are up to scratch with how it 327 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: should be for partnerships, because you can list it as 328 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: a paid partnership, which every influencer should be doing, but 329 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: they need to do that even if it's gifted, So 330 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: there's a bit of confusion, like she could have put 331 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: hashtag gifted, but then people still see the paid partnership 332 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: and assume that money has passed hands as well. Yeah, 333 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: I definitely agree, and I personally thought that she was 334 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: a great choice for an ambassador because she is one 335 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: of those women that a lot of others can relate to. 336 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: She has put her career first. She's also not just 337 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: wanted to settle down with anyone, and she now finds 338 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: herself at thirty five, not yet in a position to 339 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: have a family. I think people's problem was more with 340 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: the fact that why should influencers get these services for 341 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: free when there are so many people that can't afford it, 342 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: And I can kind of see that point of view too. 343 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: It's a tricky situation, and I do wonder if Olivia 344 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: will coops and backlash if she puts her name forward 345 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: because she is known as a pretty glamorous influencer. She 346 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: appears to have a very good lifestyle. Ye as she 347 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: comes from a very affluent family, So I do wonder 348 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: if she does decide to go down the route of collaborating, 349 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: what the reaction will be. That being said, we do 350 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: need to remember that a lot of these clinics, they 351 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: are pretty much a business, and they get a huge 352 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: amount of publicity and exposure through aligning themselves with big 353 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: influences like this. I can tell you what their reaction 354 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: is going to be. It's going to be negative. A 355 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: lot of people do love Olivia Rodgers, but I think 356 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: Morgan Waterhouse has got people feeling a bit echo all 357 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: the animal cruelty claims. The tight is turning Yeah, and 358 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: it's sad because I think Olivia is such a nice girl. 359 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: I also feel like people are quite judgmental when a 360 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: woman moves on quickly from a relationship and she has 361 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: been putting out these sort of party vibes, glamorous lifestyle, 362 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like people may not be able to 363 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: match that up with a fertility journey as well, even 364 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: though that they are both possible together. See I think 365 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: that her brand is almost calling out for something like 366 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: this because I think that she's been sharing too much 367 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: about the glamorous side of her life, and I really 368 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: enjoy it on the weekend seeing her come home and 369 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: spend time with family. So I think that a lot 370 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: more people could actually connect to this egg freezing journey, 371 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: that is, if she pays for it herself. 372 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: Good morning, guys. 373 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: It is a beautiful, slow and sunny morning, and I 374 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: have just popped out of the shower about to get 375 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: ready for the day. My heart is breaking at the 376 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: moment for Tully Smyth. Last week, she announced that she 377 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: and her partner Daniel Pizzi, had broken up, and she 378 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: shared a life update to her followers, writing a few 379 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: weeks ago, after two amazing years together, Daniel and I 380 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: made the incredibly tough decision to go our separate ways. 381 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: Long distance relationships are impossibly difficult. If you know, you know, 382 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: sometimes you can love someone with every fiber of your 383 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: being and it just still doesn't work out the way 384 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: you so desperately wanted it to. I think everyone was 385 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: rooting for this relationship to be successful. Unfortunately, it didn't 386 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: feel like a shock to me when I saw the news. 387 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: I just felt really upset and disappointed that it didn't 388 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: work out. But unfortunately, as soon as she announced it 389 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: was going to be a long distance relationship. I felt 390 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: sick because I thought it might end like this. Yeah, 391 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: it felt like the writing was on the wall. They 392 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: have been doing long distance for eight months now because 393 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Daniel got offered a really great opportunity in the US 394 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: to do sports broadcasting. So I think when Tully didn't 395 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: announce that she would be moving with him and uprooted 396 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: her life, a lot of people got a bit concerned 397 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: what this meant for the relationship. I don't necessarily think 398 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: though a long distance relationship means a relationship is going 399 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: to end. I mean, for example, Dale and I Dale 400 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: went to Sydney just as we got together and that 401 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: turned out really well, so I was hoping it might 402 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: have a similar outpre But the distance between Sydney and 403 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: Adelaide is a little bit different from Melbourne and the US, 404 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: like there's different time zones that you're having to compete with. 405 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: And it's also hard because Tully has gone on her 406 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: own fertility journey. As you mentioned earlier, She's probably thinking 407 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, I'm ready to start a family, and 408 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Daniel is off in the US living out his dream. Unfortunately, 409 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: it seemed like their lives didn't actually match up in 410 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: the wayne, and I think that's why it's so difficult 411 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: to be an onlooker in this situation, because it's clear 412 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: that they had a lot of love for each other. 413 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: And I do want to point out that I don't 414 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: necessarily think that she had to uproot her whole life, because, 415 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: as she said, she has a career here, all of 416 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: her family and friends, but at one point, I think 417 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: one of them needed to make the decision to come 418 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: back together. I did see a lot of judgmental comments like, oh, 419 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: why didn't she move with him? You know, she's just 420 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: an influencer. But it's like, well, all her brand deals 421 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: are here, her relevance is here. Yeah, but I think 422 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people are questioning that because she could 423 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: shoot content for other brands over in the US. She 424 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to, but she could. And I think maybe 425 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: people are about her family. Well, her family are in Sydney, 426 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: aren't they. Yeah, But again, Melbourne and Sydney are a 427 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: lot closer. I think that there are obviously bigger reasons 428 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: why she didn't move, and they're personal to her and 429 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be judgmental on it. Yeah. Now, this breakup 430 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: does seem very amicable. A day before Tully announced the news, 431 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: she shared a video on TikTok wishing Daniel a happy birthday. 432 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: She wrote, happiest of birthdays to my forever best friend, 433 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: and in the video there were clips of the couple 434 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: kissing and having fun. So when she made this announcement 435 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: a day later, a lot of people were surprised. Yeah, 436 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: it's a bit weird to announce it. You're breaking up, 437 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: but literally twenty four hours before, you've shared a very 438 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: sappy video of the two of you. Well, the sappy 439 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: videos didn't stop, because Tully did remain q for a 440 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: few days following the announcement, but then on Tuesday, she 441 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: released a video entitled take Me Back to the Night 442 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: We met. Here's a snippet of the video. There was 443 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: before you, and there was during you. For some reason, 444 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I never thought there would be an after you, but 445 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: there it was, and I was in it. I'll be 446 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: in it forever. I honestly feel so bad for her, 447 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: but this is part of me that's protective and being like, 448 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: don't share this online? Are these a new Instagram breakup quotes? 449 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Because remember back in the day, something would happen and 450 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: you put up this really pointed quote. Now everyone knew 451 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: exactly what it was. Yeah, I did a really embarrassing 452 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: one of those. Yeah. But I mean you're right, Amy, 453 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: because this content, it might come across as really strange 454 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: to you or I or people who aren't aware of it. 455 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: But breakup content is huge on TikTok, and people who 456 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: do go into really intimate breakup details or share videos 457 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: of themselves crying on they go viral and it's a 458 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: way for people to connect with other people who are 459 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: also going through heartbreak. So this would have just been 460 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: a formula of a video the thousands of other people 461 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: have done. I think the awkward bit is that they're 462 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: both quite high profile, Like while Daniel doesn't have a 463 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: huge profile in Australia, he is growing one in the US, 464 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: and I mean we do know of him. I feel 465 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: like we know some of the intimate details of their 466 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: relationship because they've been interviewed on podcasts together. Yeah. I 467 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: just find it awkward because I would hate my ex 468 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: to see videos of me crying over them, because usually 469 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: you try and put your best foot forward. That was 470 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: my first thought. I thought, Oh God, I hope he 471 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: doesn't see this like this is actually really sad, and 472 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I do think props on her for sharing if it 473 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: does help other women going through a breakup, but I 474 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: personally would never share a video like that. I do 475 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: like how she's being very raw about this breakup, because 476 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: have you seen that trend where people share six photos 477 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: that summarize their year, And she shared a photo of 478 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: her crying in every month and she explained, like, look, 479 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: I could have picked some really glamorous photos of me 480 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: looking hot, but this is reflective of what my year 481 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: has been. Like Yeah, I did like that honesty. Now 482 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: So Dramatic shared Tully's real to their Instagram account and 483 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: I got a very mixed response. So many did feel 484 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: sorry for Tully, whilst others questioned why people have to 485 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: film themselves crying. Clementine Ford even weighed in. She wrote 486 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: old lady alert in brackets me, does every single moment 487 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: of a life have to be recorded for other people 488 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: to see? It reminds me of the sulk on Twitter 489 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: who once said I don't live. I imagine people watching 490 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: me live and then I poke. And I can totally 491 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: see where Clementine Ford is coming from, because I think 492 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: I've spoken on the podcast before. I am not a 493 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: huge fan of seeing people crying on their Instagram stories. However, 494 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: I do think it's different for Tully because of the 495 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: fact that influencing is her job. She was one of 496 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: Australia's first influencers and her whole life is content and 497 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that people often criticize influences for just sharing 498 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: their picture perfect lives, and I think seeing her actually 499 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: go through this breakup, not only people can people connect 500 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: to it, but I think also people will have more 501 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: sympathy for her. The problem is when videos like this 502 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: are reshared, it takes away all the contexts. So initially 503 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: Tully was obviously shared this with her core followers and 504 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: they get what's going on in Tully's life, so it 505 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: gives it context, but others are confused by it and 506 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: people are like, why is this girl going on and on? 507 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: Whereas people are so invested in Tully's life that they 508 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: want to be able to connect with her over this, 509 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: because sometimes people will break up, like an influencer couple 510 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: will break up and then you just see them moving on. 511 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: You don't see any of the tears, and you kind 512 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: of lose any sort of empathy for them because you 513 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: don't really understand what's going on behind the scenes. It 514 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: sounds bad that we need to see a photo of 515 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: someone crying to think of them as human, but sometimes 516 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: I think you do. Is it wrong that I thought 517 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: that the way that she shared about her breakup is 518 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: completely different to her friend Olivia because we didn't really 519 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: see any tears from Olivia. She was doing the revenge 520 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: outfit and moving on and being out and about. But 521 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: I could actually really relate to Tully just lying in 522 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: her bed, letting it all out, crying. Do you're thinking 523 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: at old photos? 524 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 3: Today is my first flog because I've never really filmed 525 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: anything before. This is going to be my first time 526 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: filming and showing you my life. 527 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton has set the record straight. She has responded 528 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: to rumors that her partner Ben was in the doghouse 529 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: for visiting strippers. Now, if you haven't caught up yet, 530 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: On Tuesday's episode, Indy sparks breakup rumors after being mia 531 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: for a week on TikTok and then returning to post 532 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: a video of her receiving bad news. She then made 533 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: a couple of cryptic posts saying that she was staying 534 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: in a hotel with her kids. Now. Her comment section 535 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: absolutely lit up with people wondering what the hell was 536 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: going on, and she responded to one follower saying that 537 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: she was dealing with a liar. So that was a 538 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: very pointed comment. This caused a lot of gossip and speculation. 539 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about her. A lot of 540 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: the influence of Watchdog accounts were talking about it. Dutch 541 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: Minty posted a theory from a follower who claimed to 542 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: have seen Indy's Close Friends story, and on the close 543 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: Friend's story, Indy apparently said that her partner went to 544 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: a strip club and live about it. The anonymous user 545 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: claimed that India had found a photo on his phone 546 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: of inside the club. Yeah. Now. Indy has responded to 547 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: these claims on TikTok again in the comments section, saying 548 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: that's not facts at all. Sadly, the internet will believe anything. 549 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: That man would be made into stew if he went 550 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: to a strip club like that. The thing is, if 551 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: she doesn't want all these rumors circulating, why doesn't she 552 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: just come out and say what he did? I mean, 553 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna say maybe because it's private, but she 554 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: does seem to share every aspect of this relationship, and 555 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: she is the one that sparked all these rumors to 556 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: begin with, So why not put them to bed. If 557 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: it's nothing that bad, she'll be not bothering her so 558 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: much as probably Ben, who's come to her being like 559 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even go to his strip. 560 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: See. 561 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: The thing is, if it was me and it wasn't 562 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: something really bad, I just want to clear my partner's name, 563 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: particularly if you now were back with them. But sometimes 564 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: the intrigue adds to it. 565 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: I'll find it hilarious that people are offended about Collie 566 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 4: showing her bum in her undies in front of an 567 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: eight month year old son. 568 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: Mitch Auville has sparked debate after sharing a photo of 569 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: his partner, Chloe's app standing next to him and their child, Sonny, 570 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: with her pajama pants pulled down to expose her toned 571 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: bum in a g string. The photo is a belfie 572 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: or a mirror selfie, and Sonny is in a high 573 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: chair with his face turning away from the camera. Mitch 574 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: captioned the photo Mum and dad gains. What did you 575 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: guys think about the photo? She's got a good ass, 576 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: doesn't she. Yeah, Well that's the first thing I noticed, 577 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: great ass. Well, I did think, why is there the 578 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: back of a child's head like that is a little 579 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: bit unusual? We don't see that every day in a 580 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: belfy shot. It definitely did gain a lot of attention 581 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: from followers. One wrote, Paul's pants down right in front 582 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: of a child to take a picture. What the fuck 583 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: is going on with these people? Another wrote this is 584 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: a little inappropriate in front of the kid, but okay. 585 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: Mitch actually responded to this comment. He said he literally 586 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: sucks on her boobs, which got seven hundred and forty 587 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: four likes. He also took to Instagram to hit back 588 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: at the criticism. Here's what he said. 589 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: You realize not even a year ago, he basically came 590 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 4: out of that ass all around the corner from it. Anyway, 591 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 4: every day he has to stop on a boobs And 592 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: how do you think that he shows and stuff you 593 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: don't reckon? Collie gets naked in front of him society. 594 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: I actually saw this story before I saw the photo, 595 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, what are people 596 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: going nuts about? Who cares? And then when I saw 597 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: the photo and had some context, I was like, I 598 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: can kind of see in a sense where people are 599 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: coming from. It was a little bit odd. I think 600 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: it was because the photo was posed and then posted 601 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: like if it had just been a video, like a 602 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: time lapse of Chloe walking around in undies and feeding 603 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: her kids. I think, fine, whatever. Yeah, when I first 604 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: saw this photo, I was really taking it back. I mean, 605 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: I completely get where Mitch's coming from and saying that 606 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: there's not too many barriers between a parent and a 607 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: young child and you're always seeing one another in the nude. 608 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: But my reaction comes from the way that the photo 609 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 1: is posed and the positioning of it, because it just 610 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: looks weird. I mean, people may disagree, but the way 611 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: that Chloe was pouting with their bum out, it gave 612 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: the photo kind of a sexual tone, even though it 613 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: might not have intended to be there. And then you've 614 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: got a child literally positioned right next to her bum. 615 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: It was just unusual. It's not like when you go 616 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: flick through your family photo albums there's a photo of 617 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: your mum with her bum out. Like It's just something 618 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: that just looks really odd. I think it's also the 619 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: caption saying Mum and dad gains because he's objectifying Chloe 620 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: in the photo and she's standing next to her son. 621 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: I think that's why it got weird. It's objectifying in 622 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: a sense. He's proud of her, Yeah, but it's in 623 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: the male gaze in terms of Wow, look how great 624 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: her ass looks. That's the thing. People would be scrolling 625 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: through and being like, Wow, look at that ass, and 626 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: then sort of turning their head and being like, why 627 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: is a child in this picture? Like it just felt 628 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: weird to me. But in saying that, when I looked 629 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: at the comments section, the majority of the comments I 630 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: could see were really supportive of Mitch and Chloe, and 631 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: they really echoed Mitch's sentiment. So one follower wrote, for 632 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: all those offended, my toddler literally watches me shit sees 633 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: way more than some bum cheek with Nickerson. This is 634 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: probably the most privacy this mama has had all day. 635 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: Another said, slay you two FII. I'm a mom of 636 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: three and I walk around my house naked. I birthed 637 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: them from my private parts and fed them from there. 638 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: People need to chill the fuck out. I get all 639 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: of that. Of course, all of that happens, but you 640 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: don't necessarily take a photo of it, Like you don't 641 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: take a photo of yourself sitting on the toilet in 642 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: front of the kid. Like if you posted that, people 643 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: would be like, what the fuck. It's not that it's 644 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: it's all those inappropriate It's more it's just a bit odd. Well, 645 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. If you do 646 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 1: want to listen to some more content, become an Outspoken 647 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: Plus subscriber. We've got a whole back channel of content 648 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: ready to go. We've dropped our deep Dive series on 649 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: Mitch Orval, which was so fun to look into. If 650 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: you do love the podcast, please leave us a five 651 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: star review. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land 652 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay 653 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: respect to elders past and present.