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Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts, hear more Gold one on one point

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Speaker 2: It's Jonesy and Amanda driving you home.

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Speaker 1: Our next guest is an author twenty one times over.

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Speaker 1: She's hilarious, She's fabulously talented, and I know this because

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Speaker 1: she's a friend of mine. I'm talking about the fabulous

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Speaker 1: Kathy Lett, who joins us right here right man.

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Speaker 3: See, you are like a big pair of knickers. You

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Speaker 3: know you've got my ass covered.

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Speaker 1: Can I be the gusset?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I love the worst.

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Speaker 5: Astral the gust.

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Speaker 2: It always comes to gusset with you, Amida with us,

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Speaker 2: some sort of underpant arrangement. I was just thinking everyone's

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Speaker 2: talking about the Manisphere lately. Manisphere is everywhere. Puberty Blues,

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Speaker 2: which I've watched recently, like two months ago.

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Speaker 5: That was the older Manisphere, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I'm still proud of that book. It's like

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Speaker 3: straight vege. You might no bread and butter, it's moo

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Speaker 3: is stringent, but it's so true.

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Speaker 5: Masculinity. Oh yeah, So have we got better? Do you think? So?

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Speaker 2: You look at the Manisphere and I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've seen Louis Throu's documentary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well the trouble is women's rights. Just to be

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Speaker 3: serious for seconds, do you do want to uplift people?

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Speaker 3: But women's rights are slipping back right around the world.

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Speaker 3: A woman born in America today has less rights than

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Speaker 3: her grandmother. So there's the abortion bands in America, there's

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Speaker 3: you know, Afghanistan, are women being raced in Iran never

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Speaker 3: has a haircut being so political. And here, as you say,

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Speaker 3: with the Manisphere, we've got upskirting and date rape and

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Speaker 3: revenge born and trolling and Andrew Tait and Incel and

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Speaker 3: all of that.

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Speaker 4: So you know, sometimes it's.

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Speaker 3: Tempting to take the word man, you know, to take

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Speaker 3: men out of mensa because they're ruining the world for us.

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Speaker 4: But you have to think of the positives too.

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Speaker 3: Look at the me too movement that started with one

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Speaker 3: tweet and it brought down Harvey Weinstein. So the sister

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Speaker 3: it is powerful when we stick together, and we really

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Speaker 3: need sicily camaraderie now more than it.

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Speaker 2: So how do you remedy that If you've got, like say,

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Speaker 2: with the Manisphere, they're saying you're a simp.

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Speaker 5: If a woman tells you what to do. How do

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Speaker 5: you ride?

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Speaker 1: I think we have to flood the world with good men.

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Speaker 4: We have to.

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Speaker 1: And the good men are there. We just need to

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Speaker 1: have them be the influence.

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Speaker 4: That's right, and you know we're raising them.

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Speaker 1: I think we are raising them absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing we have to do is bring

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Speaker 3: young men into the feminist movement, because.

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Speaker 4: Feminism is good for men as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, how great to be relieved from the bread

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Speaker 3: winner role and to be allowed to be vulnerable and emotional.

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Speaker 3: How wonderful to raise your kids and to raise your

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Speaker 3: kids exactly. So we just have to we have to

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Speaker 3: sell feminism in a better way somehow.

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Speaker 1: You it's such a dichotomy. Part of you lives in

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Speaker 1: London and you're best friends with Stephen Frye and you

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Speaker 1: mix in royal circles and all that fabulous stuff. But

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Speaker 1: then you come home and you're one of four sisters

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Speaker 1: and your fabulous mum who's in the nineties, and that's

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Speaker 1: your very tight suburban life here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the Shire. Oh, that's that's my favorite place

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Speaker 4: in the world.

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Speaker 5: And I do.

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Speaker 4: I'm so lucky. My mother gave me the best gift ever.

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Speaker 3: Three sensational sisters and We're just in a love bubble

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Speaker 3: the whole time.

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Speaker 4: And when I that we.

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Speaker 3: Go boogie boarding, we all serve to show like four

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Speaker 3: menopausal gidgets holding hands and squealing, and.

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Speaker 4: We refuse to get old.

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Speaker 3: And that's my big message to women now, my literally

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Speaker 3: raised on debtro now in the books I write is

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Speaker 3: you know, go forth and be fabulous, have a sensational

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Speaker 3: second act. And I also think that, you know, post

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Speaker 3: menopause is the best time of a woman's life. No

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Speaker 3: period cramps, no pregnancy scares. You've got all that tampon

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Speaker 3: money to spend, you know. And the other great thing

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Speaker 3: that happens to you is that, I mean, you're much

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Speaker 3: younger than me, but when you get to fifty, you

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Speaker 3: get a kind of oh fecket, I'm fifty. Gene kicks

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Speaker 3: in it. You no longer care what people think about you.

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Speaker 3: And women have brought up to be decorative and demure,

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Speaker 3: you know. And all the research shows when a man

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Speaker 3: and woman start talking, the woman always pulls back. Except

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Speaker 3: in this studio, of course, I'm allowed to be bolshing.

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Speaker 3: But then once you hit fifty, you know, it is

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Speaker 3: something magical happens when your easter and drops a bit,

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Speaker 3: and you just get a little bit more confident.

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Speaker 4: I think you come in to your true self.

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Speaker 1: My friends and I talk about this a lot, and

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Speaker 1: it's almost Where all your jewelry, where your cart, your clothes,

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Speaker 1: you know, paint your nails. Be loud, time to.

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Speaker 3: Be loud, just when society is trying to wrap you

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Speaker 3: up in the cloak of invisibility. And it's not just

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Speaker 3: me imagining that. M I five a couple of years

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Speaker 3: ago said they wanted to employ middle aged women as

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Speaker 3: spies because nobody sees us.

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Speaker 5: I think we should do. But this would be a thing,

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Speaker 5: you know. I can't be too loud, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 2: And firstly, a Manda would get certainly you would not

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Speaker 2: have her as the getaway car driver.

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Speaker 4: Oh why is that?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 4: Because oh, you're on dangerous ground.

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Speaker 5: You'd get lost. Actually the wrong bank, you probably pick

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Speaker 5: up the wrong robbers.

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Speaker 1: This nice bag, waste money and.

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Speaker 2: Where's Kathy's gang? This is another game. It's good to

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Speaker 2: see you've got all this tampon money to spend. Caddy

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Speaker 2: should take you out for drink.

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Speaker 5: Kathy Let's book The Sister Would Rules is available now.

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Speaker 4: Kathy Let, thank you Oh, it's just so lovely this

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Speaker 4: see you again, I've just seen.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking for rather few decades, absolute decades, and then.

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Speaker 4: It only gets better. We have not passed our amuse

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Speaker 4: by date.

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Speaker 1: No, but I have passed some wind.

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Speaker 4: Oh excellent on that notew