1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Here at two Good Sports. 2 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: We would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the 3 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: land on which we record this podcast. There were innerie people. 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: This land was never seated, always was, always will be. 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Happy birthday to you, dear listeners. 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: You're one hundred and two. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: We are celebrating today because our dearest Abs tell me 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: it's a birthday. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: Georgie has put a display in this room that would 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: rival what Travis Kelsey organized during their podcast, supposedly to 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: drop a knee to Taylor. There are balloons that's say 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: thirty five that must be a clerical error, and just 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: the most spectacular gifts. You do birthdays and celebrating people 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: unlike anyone I know. Oh, I love the skill of yours. 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: I love it. 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: I love it because you're incredibly busy. You are such 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: a busy person. You're such a busy mum, and sometimes 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: I think you forget just how awesome you are. I 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: need there to be balloons, I need there to be glittered, 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: and I need them to be confetti, and I need 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: you to swim around in it. 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: Am. 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: I am swimming. There are laps, there are hot laps, 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: but also yesterday was arguably the biggest day on your calendar, 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: so much so that other people on social media have 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: literally put out messages going has anyone checked on the 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: welfare of Georgie Tunny, because not only was their massive 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: news in the AFL world, which we'll get to, your 30 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: girls engaged. 31 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: My girls engaged, My girls engaged? Someone cue, here comes 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: the bride. 33 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: And yes we're talking about taylorswoot. But Travis Kelsey technically 34 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: plays football, So just let me. 35 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: It matters, guys, it matters. It is relevant to the 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 3: sports world. 37 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: Okay. 38 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: And what all I can say is that everyone grab you. Okay, 39 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: we're all getting married. It's so exciting. 40 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: When I woke up yesterday, I actually didn't check my 41 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: phone first off. 42 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: I was like having a shower, getting ready to start 43 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: my day. 44 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Hang hang on, you're one of the point zero zero 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: one percent of the population that get out of was 46 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: your phone dead? 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: No, this is the thing. I am the person that 48 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: always checks phone first. 49 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: This was an anomaly, even nus be otherwise, Like you 50 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: check your phone to even see what time it is, 51 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: to see if you should get out of it. 52 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: So I just I just got up. I was in 53 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: the shower. 54 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: I had ABC News Breakfast on our dear friend Catherine Murphy, 55 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: who's been on this podcast. 56 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: She was started reading the news and she goes and 57 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: take days engaged. 58 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: And I nearly died because I had that shower on 59 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: one thousand and four. 60 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: Because it's so cold in Melbourne female there's steam everywhere. 61 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: I don't have the best coordination at the best of times. 62 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: I've taken a terrible fall trying to get to the phone. 63 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: I was like, what, what do you mean? What? 64 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: And then just to learn that one of my best 65 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: friends in the world. 66 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, and she didn't call. She didn't call. 67 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: I checked. Then I immediately checked my phone to see 68 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: if I'd missed a call. I hadn't, but I had 69 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: missed approximately a million messages from people being like, babe, 70 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: wake up Taylor's. 71 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: And it was just wonderful. And I know, tell me that. 72 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: Look, we've talked a lot about Travis Kelcey on this 73 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: podcast previously. This could be the thing that gets him 74 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: over the line for me, because because. 75 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: He hasn't been so far. But the second I saw this, 76 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: I was like, is she gonna be happy about this? 77 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Because you like the Bruders as opposed to the Labrador Retrievers. 78 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: I know, which just goes against every morsel of my 79 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: history and growing up watching football. 80 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? But I Jason Kelce though, 81 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: oh on board, fabulous, love him, oh. 82 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: Love him, love him. 83 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: But I think that he has given Taylor something that 84 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: she has literally been singing about since she was sixteen, 85 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: and I actually think, in full Taylor mode, she has 86 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: manifested this because you belong with me. It was all 87 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: about just wanting the guy on the football team to 88 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: notice her. In Mary's song in two thousand and six, 89 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: she has a line, I'll be eighty seven, You'll be 90 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: eighty nine. 91 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: He wears number eighty seven. She's born in nineteen. 92 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: Eighty nine, famously famously in twenty seventeen reputation ready for it. 93 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Hmmmmm. 94 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: Knew he was a killer first time that I saw him. 95 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: Okay, no, yeah, but his handles killer trash and she's 96 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: like a philosopher. 97 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah I know, Look I didn't did I kind. 98 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: Of hate She started singing about a partner that plays 99 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: video games. Look, and in the podcast was like, yeah, 100 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: so I got my master's back and I just fell 101 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: to the floor and tears. So I went and got Travis. 102 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Remember you were playing video games and I was like, 103 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: and he took his headset off, and I was like, 104 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: don't be. Don't be someone that wears a headset and 105 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: plays video games as an adult man. Do you know, sorry, 106 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Robert to your partner does. 107 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: Is what Robert does. 108 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: I tried not to think about it though, so you're accurate. 109 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: You're accurate there. But for me, did I love or 110 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: hate the comment? It was a bit of both. The 111 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: caption of the Instagram post, which now has something insane 112 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: like it would have many millions of likes on it, 113 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: but it was like your English teacher and your gym 114 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: teacher getting married, there was part of me that. 115 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: Went, but it is, It's exactly what it is. That 116 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: is what it is. That is what it is. 117 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: She seems so happy and she just needs someone that's 118 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: going to be there and constantly clapping her, and that's 119 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: all she's wanted. 120 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: She is the entire book, and he's the exclamation point. 121 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Yes, that is him, that is him, one hundred percent. 122 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: And we'll cop that, we'll cop that, we'll cop that. 123 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: That was her own description, You're a human exclamation. I'm 124 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: like yeah, because she's like I am everything, and he's 125 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: like yeah, what go, babe. 126 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: And I mean, if we're not going to do a 127 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: deep dive guys in her entire dating hand or she does. 128 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: A whole other bottle, but will stun you. I'm not 129 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: a part of. 130 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: But but I mean all of her previous partners, they've 131 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: had this sort of hesitancy to be in the spotlight, 132 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: to be in the public eye, and. 133 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: This is almost like she was a bit embarrassing for 134 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: being her. Yes. 135 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: Yes, they were like, oh god, I don't want all 136 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: of the stuff that comes with you. 137 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Travis is mean while just being. 138 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: Like you go, babe, you want me to come up 139 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: in a full tux and powder your nose? No wazzes, Yeah, 140 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: no worry. 141 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: Did I love the ring? 142 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: Yes? I did, Yes, I did, because you can see 143 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: it from space. 144 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: That's right, That's right. 145 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: It was stunning, but also from like a smallish two 146 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five thousand followers on Instagram. 147 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: But that was when you checked. It probably started on eight. 148 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: A smallish business in York, which is very Taylor as 149 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: well vintage inspired, So there was there was lots of 150 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: things that have gone into this that I also think 151 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 2: maybe Tree Paine, Taylor's manager, has gotten too Travis's erinpin Like, guys, 152 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: when you're doing this, let's let's here's what you do. 153 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: Here are the steps, because here are the steps, the steps, This. 154 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Is what you do. 155 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: This is what you do. 156 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Sorry, hitting balloons a balloon just to myself backwards and 157 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: there are that many balloons in the room that I'm 158 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: just knocking them around, which is fantastic. 159 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: Can I say though, that despite that incredible moment, this week, 160 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: Taylor's diss engagement is not actually my good sport flow. 161 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: Me over with a feather. What have you got well, 162 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: my good sport? 163 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: Did you tell me? 164 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: Is you? Oh? Is you? 165 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 2: Because, as we've may have mentioned to open this podcast, 166 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: it's your birthday. So how better to celebrate and in 167 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: true too good sports style with our very favorite art form. G. 168 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: She hasn't got in a dull style, you bet she has. 169 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: G is for genuine, No, just joking. 170 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: It's for gorgeous hah, A pretty obvious one from me, 171 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: because hello, I've got eyes, but your true beauty is 172 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: somewhere in that rib cage of yours, thumping happily like 173 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: only gargantuanly generous hearts can. 174 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: E is for existential because our listeners. 175 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: Damn well, no, we've never met an ember of existential 176 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: dread that we did not like. 177 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: And flame elle is for laughter. 178 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: I have never laughed as hard as they have in 179 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: this room with you, not just when we're recording, but 180 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: the moment's pre and post. And I know that I 181 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: am Hashtager classic Jim Bro. But this is my most 182 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: intense core workout of the week. 183 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: M is for mind. 184 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: You have one of the sharpest minds in this industry, 185 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: but probably also any industry that you put your mind to, 186 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: and you're just getting started, and I it's sure. I 187 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: love you, you my jail me quite simply make my 188 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: life richer than geelong. 189 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: Happy birthday. 190 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: If there was a celebrate, we could just get married. 191 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Just just call it na. 192 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: Gosh, the goodest of sports, the goodest of sports. 193 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: Tell me, I don't know. 194 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: How I can go on. I'm actually hyper emotional because 195 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm hyper tired and existential. Thank you. That is divine. 196 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: I need to deflect immediately. 197 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: But not even took the top spot, guys, think about that. 198 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just that's the highest of compliments. To be 199 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: totally honest, bless you, thank you. I'm not usually I've 200 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: really done the big birthday. I'm not a big birthday gal, 201 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: so this is this already feels like my biggest birthday. 202 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: And by that I mean the biggest number. And I've 203 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: already told you that. A friend of mine literally said 204 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: to me, and it's the meanest thing you've ever said 205 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: to me, cath Carlin, if you were to die, they 206 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: would describe you as thirty five with two children. And 207 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: I was like, cool, cool, ease for existential. Anyway, we'll 208 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: move on because the Golco Suns wouldn't. That's essential if 209 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: they didn't make the finals. After the season they put together, 210 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: they got as high as second on the ladder, and 211 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: last night it came down to what I call wacky 212 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: Wednesday because the poor Bulldogs were sitting there somewhere having 213 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: not had a mad Monday, watching and going of all 214 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: teams that we need to hedge our bets on the 215 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: fucking Bombers. I feel free to beat that out. I 216 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: don't have imagine them just going guys. Guys. The margin 217 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: ended up being ninety five big ones. 218 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: That is nuts. 219 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: Did you know fun fact that there is only one 220 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: player on Essendon's list, like the full list that hasn't 221 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: played an AFL game remaining. 222 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: They have blooded. 223 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: So Brad Scott was like, there is nothing at the 224 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: end of this barrel. There's no one, there's nothing. 225 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: Left, there's no one here. 226 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: There's no one here. The hangar be empty, everything everything 227 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: be out. It's and broken. 228 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 229 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: So, although I did see a funny thing during the 230 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: week being like, ah, here is the bomber's new recruit, 231 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: Barkus Montempelli, like just to give him a damn chance. 232 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: But no, I love this for the Suns. I love 233 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: this for footy and I think it's a great thing. 234 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: But who knows, who knows how they're going to go 235 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: into September. But I do think having footy on a 236 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: Wednesday makes the weekend feel like it's closer. Oh, like 237 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: some weird silo thing. 238 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean with It's lucky I made it 239 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: today because between Taylor's engagement, not knowing what day the 240 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: football's on your birthday? Like am I in the year 241 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six already? 242 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: I don't know? 243 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: Can we discuss that you went on air on Channel 244 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: ten's very serious news show with like Bride to Be 245 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Love Heart Sonny's and a Kansas chief certsy and I 246 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: literally turned it on. I showed came the photo and 247 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: Kane's like, she really doesn't care, does she? No, She's 248 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: just She's just you are so authentically George on all levels. 249 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Then it's just and there's Jennam in his full suit 250 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: being like are you good, and You're like, well, clearly 251 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: I am not. 252 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: I am not okay, clearly I'm not okay. Do you 253 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: know what my first request was a veil? I actually 254 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: I actually dialed it back. That's me dialed back authentic 255 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: because I was like, I can imagine. 256 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: I was like, this is the intro. They surprise come 257 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 3: to me and then I reveal the veil. 258 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: But can we also how long have you been engaged 259 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: for George? 260 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: Oh, nearly four years, the best part of four years. 261 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: When did you start wedding dress shopping? 262 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: Yesterday? 263 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: So Robert's like, ah, this is what it took. This 264 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: is what it took, This is what it took, this 265 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: is what it took. 266 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: I just need now we're all engaged. 267 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are all engaged. I mean, I'm probably this 268 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: this is your vows. Then that'll do. That'll do? You 269 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: brought me a beautiful ring. We're on I definitely do. 270 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's gonna be like, genuinely, I'm sorry if 271 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: you came here to listen to sport chat. I promise 272 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: we're going to get there, but I need to like 273 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: quick questions, big or small wedding? 274 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: Oh, my heart of hearts, I want her to get 275 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 2: married at the New York Registry Office. 276 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: I don't think that will happen. 277 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: Obviously, she'll do a gigantic all American wedding, do you 278 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: think I think so? Or at least it's a combination 279 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: of two in my girl like Bezo levels of like, 280 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be that, although I have actually 281 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: tabled Lake Como because they were there for a holiday 282 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: last year. 283 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 3: Maybe they were sussing out wedding venues. 284 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that potentially that could be something that 285 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: they go for. But also, like her Rhode Island house, 286 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: like that could be like a huge bash there. She 287 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: already does her Fourth of July though, so if she 288 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: wants to make that slightly different, I reckon it could 289 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: be full ranch all American. What is that show that 290 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: everyone watches, Yellowstone or like Yosemite, that's not it? 291 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: Yellowstone vibes yellow Shone. Yeah, yeah, not that I've thought 292 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: about it. 293 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: No, no about it, or who will be a brother? Well, 294 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: they get married in thirteen days, thirteen months, or thirteen years. 295 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: I think maybe thirteen months, because it all depends on 296 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: if she wants to do a Life of a show 297 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Girl the new album. 298 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: And also think he's got football. 299 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, so he's got 300 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: the super so after that after that? 301 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I also think she'll be performing at the 302 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: super Bowl halftime show, which would be a whole other episode. 303 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: Guys get excited and do it? Do we not think 304 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit like give kill a trap his moment? 305 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: No, no, he doesn't get one. No, he's signed up 306 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: for this, like Taylor doesn't give other people moments. 307 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: So he knows. 308 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: No, she doesn't matter, no, no, no, So he knows 309 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: that and he's aware of that, and that's why maybe 310 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: ultimately he is her soul mate. 311 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Will Blake Lively be part of the bridal party? 312 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: I think she's not part of the bridal party. I 313 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: think she'll be at the wedding. I think the kids 314 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: will be involved because she's the godmother. 315 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: Right, so Naz is like bringing a ring or. 316 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: Something, yeah, something something, or the little one that no 317 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: one what's his nip? 318 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: What's he called? Is it odie Obie? But I can't remember, 319 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: not in the lyrics. 320 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: So no one knows. I'm like, I heard a rumor 321 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: from NZ. You can't believe. I'm like allowing me just 322 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: remember all of her kids names, right, Okay, I'm so 323 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: glad that we've got to go with that. Yeah, that's 324 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: our version of the sport. Yeah. 325 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: Sometimes I have seen people posting being like we need 326 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: a fantasy football league about who's going to be bridesmaids, 327 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: Like yes, yes to that, Yes to that, and you 328 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: get points every week. 329 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: I reckon this is why they might do a registry 330 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: just because it's too much. 331 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: But if they, I reckon they do that, and then 332 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: they'd have to have a yeah. Yeah, because she's I mean, 333 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: she's going to marry the quarterback, like she's leaning all 334 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: in to the All American. 335 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. 336 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: You know, I know he's not a quarterback. Don't come 337 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: for me, but like. 338 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: Tight end the d end. Who knows what a tight 339 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: end is? 340 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's probably I mean, other than 341 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: you heights. 342 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: That's a lot of tay chat on a sports podcast. 343 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: And they went for two hours too long. 344 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Actual sports chat. Oh, who am I kidding? That was 345 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: sports chat? More sports chat coming up after. 346 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 4: This when this was talked, brought up. 347 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 5: At one time when I was playing around no gay 348 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 5: men in the AFL, I remember two people having a 349 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 5: conversation around how they would feel having a shower next 350 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 5: to a gay man, and. 351 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: One of the people, one of. 352 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 5: The players, referred, I'd rather be in a cage full 353 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 5: of lines than have a shower next to a gay man. 354 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: That's the voice of Mitch Brown, former West Coast Eagles 355 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: player who played ninety four games in the AFL at 356 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: the top level between two thousand and seven and twenty 357 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: and sixteen. As of yesterday, he is the first openly 358 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: bisexual man to have ever played at the top level 359 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: in AFL or VFL history. This watershed moment happened on 360 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: the Daily OS. After all the reaction that we saw 361 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: to the Isaac rankin case last week, he reached out 362 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: to The Daily OS and messaged friend of the pod. 363 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: Sam Koslovsky, Well done, Sam, by the way, well you 364 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: created such a safe space for Mitch to share that story. 365 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: And Sam said, you know what did you? Can you 366 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: share with everyone what you messaged me, And he said, 367 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I simply message saying Hi, I'm a bisexual man and 368 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: I played AFL And what has happened from there and 369 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: what we have seen take place is something that was 370 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: again one hundred and twenty nine years in the making. 371 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: And for someone to be so selfless as to go first, 372 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,479 Speaker 1: I mean, Mitch has nothing to gain from this. He's 373 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: not trying to leverage a media career. He simply is 374 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: the bravest athlete that we've ever had in this country 375 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: that has decided to go you know what, I'm going 376 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: to go first. 377 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I didn't quite believe it when I 378 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: started being sent the story and I started it blew 379 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: up of course because the Daily Os has produced such 380 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: a wonderful piece, and then that proceeded to go everywhere 381 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: like it was on every single masthead, online, physical copies. 382 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: And it's worth noting he is from a footballing family, 383 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: so his twin brother Nathan Brown was recruited at the 384 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: same time in two thousand and seven playing for Collingwood 385 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: and then with some Kildas so and the fact that 386 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: their identical means they are a very recognizable face in. 387 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: Football and I think that you talk about the bravery 388 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: shown by Mitch here, just the virality of this and 389 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: how it did go everywhere in the point two of 390 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: a second like this is what we mean by Unfortunately, 391 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: it does still take bravery. It's still something obviously that 392 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: needs to be addressed, and you actually have to think 393 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: about before you say anything because you are going to 394 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: get this kind of feedback and this kind of spotlight. 395 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: But for Mitch to be this person, I can only 396 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 2: say hats off. No, I can only I just want 397 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: to give him a hug, and I honestly I just 398 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: want to give him a hug. 399 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: But that comment there at the start that we played 400 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: is what we took. It was the most cut through 401 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: comment that came from the conversation that we found in 402 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: that we were talking just last week with Kate McCarthy 403 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: around this must be systemic, this must be cultural. And 404 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: granted he did stop playing Near On ten years ago, 405 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: but he spoke about just how common homophobic slurs were 406 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: and that it was used away in combat and in 407 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: the moment of the game, that it was used to 408 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: bring your opponent down. 409 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 6: Talk to me about combat on the field and the 410 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 6: role of homophobic comments in your playing career as almost 411 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 6: a weapon to be used against your opposition. 412 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 5: On the field, you're trying to beat your opponent, right, 413 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 5: trying to win, and the best way to do that. 414 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: Is to show your strength. 415 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 5: One of the ways you do that is to belittle 416 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 5: your opponent, bring them down. And you do it physically, yeah, 417 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 5: and then you can do it verbally as well. And 418 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: you hear that on the field every single week, every 419 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 5: single game. You hear that in your workplace, on the 420 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 5: building site at schools. You know, I think this year, 421 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 5: you know, it's very known, it's become an AFL problem, 422 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 5: but it's an Australian man's problem. 423 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: I think that Mitch's comments there really do go back 424 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: to what Kate was so strong on last week, which 425 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: was you're not reaching for words that you don't commonly use. 426 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: You're not reaching for words that aren't in your vocab 427 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: every day, your common vernacular. And it's so disappointing that 428 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 2: you know, this is Mitch's experience, as you say, more 429 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: than ten years ago, but it's still so relevant now. 430 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: And the timing of all of this, with the Isaac 431 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: Rankin case and the decision and the suspension, and now 432 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: he's in Europe and he's a part of the Australian 433 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: squad and. 434 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: All of this, it all still feels lightly hopeless to me. 435 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: I do think that something that needs to be done 436 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: more is I think we need to commend the Dylan 437 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: administration for doing something. 438 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: I know that Andrew Dillon himself, he was very very 439 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: strong on wanting Isaac Franklin to have the full five 440 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: week suspension. 441 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: Yes, that's what they were pushing. 442 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: For, and then they landed somewhere in between that. Obviously 443 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: with the four weeks. I think that was the wrong decision, 444 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: but that's my personal opinion on that. But he is 445 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: trying to make changes in an organization that is terrible 446 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: at making changes. 447 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: And the person I've heard describe it best was called 448 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: a middle mass, and he essentially said, you have a 449 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: one hundred year old problem, and the Dylan administration is 450 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: the first one trying to cut the weeds. Now they're 451 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: just trimming the top, and what's happening is the weeds 452 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: are growing back, because that's what happens when something has 453 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: its roots in a system. This is deeply rooted in 454 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: the AFL system. And hearing that firsthand from someone who's 455 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: been there and we know this because the reported cases 456 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: that we've heard in the last two years are as 457 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: such that there's been so many numbers that this is 458 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: something that happens all the time. Yes, so they need 459 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: to have more systemic change and education. But I just 460 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: think the power of Mitch selflessly deciding to be the 461 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: one to go first to talk about you know, I 462 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to feel myself and I love this message 463 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: that's actually from Shay, his ex wife of which they 464 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: have children together, and he read this on the podcast 465 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: and he said the text read, good luck this morning. 466 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you and I'm right behind you 467 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: all the way. This will make the world a slightly 468 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: better place for our boys and young men in Australia, 469 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: hopefully old men too. This is living the values of 470 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: the kind of man I want our boys to grow 471 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: up to be men that care and men areho proud 472 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: of who they are. It just gives me goosebumps. 473 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: And it's again we can't understate just how huge this 474 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: is for the game and hopefully for wider society. 475 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: And something that Mitch also highlighted that we want to 476 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: highlight in here too, and I think it's something that 477 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: we can actively do going forward. Is Mitch sort of said, 478 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: the game by nature highlights its best players. Of course 479 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: it does. I would love to see it going forward 480 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: highlight its best people. 481 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 3: Ooh, I like that. That's nice. That's a nice little change. 482 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: And the idea that these are men in society that 483 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: are good people, that are kind, people that are authentic, 484 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: and I just thought, wow, that would be really powerful. 485 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: And also I think it just goes to show the 486 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: power of that message because I mean, Mitch left the 487 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: game before he probably needed to. 488 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: He says in the. 489 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: Podcast that he was asked to stay for another couple 490 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: of seasons. That's very lucrative wherever you're playing right, and 491 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: he just could not because of the sheer exhaustion of 492 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: having to hide who he was listen to that and 493 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: be around that kind of culture. I mean, you are 494 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: losing good people from the game, even if they can 495 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: even get to that stage, you've lost them when they're 496 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: you know, twelve thirteen, fifteen. Like, this is the huge 497 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: issue that is facing the AFL, but also just sport 498 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: in this country, is that you need to build safe spaces, 499 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: and you need to have them be sustainably safe and 500 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: legitimately safe. 501 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: You can't. 502 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: There's so much talk and it's like, what we're still 503 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: not seeing it's not seeing action until Mitch. 504 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Yesterday you mentioned that safe place where you want to 505 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: just again commend Sam and the Daily os So the 506 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: way that they handled this, it was done with so 507 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: much grace and a lack of There was no feel 508 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: of their just trying to headline grab moment. No, and 509 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: it was just it was done so beautifully. And even 510 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: just seeing the way that they've commented on other posts 511 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: that have reshared, just saying thank you, it was an 512 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: honor to bring this to light. I just think it 513 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: is podcasts and it's safe media formats like that that 514 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: will allow people to have conversations that they may not 515 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: have elsewhere. And it was handled so beautifully and I've 516 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: been I mean, there are still some comments those that 517 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: have left the comments on for this announcement that there 518 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: are some comments that you're like, wow, those people are 519 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: still in society and are still commenting that way. There 520 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: are people that just remind you there it's awful. 521 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: What a sad endetment that you just can't leave comments on, 522 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? 523 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, But when they have, but I was 524 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: buoyed by the vast majority. Oh positive, yes, and I 525 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: think that that's a wonderful thing. We can't go to 526 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: the negative, which is human. 527 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: Get you drowned it, Yeah, you drown in it. 528 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: But what I'm boyed by is that, you know, I'm 529 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: excited for ten twenty years time when we see a player, 530 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: an openly gay player in the AFL and they say, oh, 531 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: who's your idols? Like, who did you look up to? 532 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: And they'll name Mitch Brown. Oh, they'll name Mitch Brown 533 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: as at the forefront of this and giving them the 534 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: confidence and the courage to be who they are. 535 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: A league that really has for one hundred and twenty 536 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: nine years championed courage, bravery, leadership, selflessness. We saw the 537 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: best example I've ever seen the AFL yesterday. 538 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 3: Tell me. 539 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: Fun fact of the pod has to be a special 540 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: one because it is your birthday. 541 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: Don't know if I've mentioned it yet on this podcast. 542 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: Budget won't be by the time this goes to us. 543 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: If you want to message me any day and say 544 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: happy birthday, you're welcome. 545 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: Fun fact. 546 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: We love an athlete who's in every man and what 547 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: is more relatable than asking a sibling, a close friend, 548 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: or maybe even yourself to give yourself a little bit 549 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: of a trim sproake yourself up, get some new bangs. 550 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: You know we're going through it at the moment. Don't worry. 551 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: I'm here, I've got some scissors. Let's give you a 552 00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 3: new life. 553 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: Oh cutting someone's fringes and what you do for friends, 554 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: you back him off the cliff. 555 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 3: It's what Carlos Alcaraz's brother did. 556 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: The buzzcut. Oh my god, we're talking about Carlos buzz Karatuz. 557 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: Yes, And here was his explanation, because inexplicably, two weeks ago, 558 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: Carlos Alcaraz one of the hottest Yes, I said it 559 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: athletes in sport with his gorgeous flowing brown locks, the Spaniard. 560 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: Yes. 561 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: Then he rocks up at the US Open. Where's the 562 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: hair gone? There's no hair? Your buzz cut. I'm still 563 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: in it. I'm still for it, still for it. 564 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: It's an immaculate buzz cut. 565 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 3: It's immaculate. He's got the bone structure. 566 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: But he got his brother to do it. 567 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 3: I'll let Carlos explain. 568 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 7: Suddenly, just my brother just he was miss understood with 569 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 7: the machine. He just cut it and then you know, 570 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 7: the only the only way to fix it, the just 571 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 7: shave it on. And it just the way he came. 572 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 7: You know, the hair got But you to be honest, 573 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 7: it's not that good. It's not that bad. 574 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 4: I guess to be. 575 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: Honest, it isn't that good yet Freudian, Freudian, it's not 576 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: that good. 577 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: I mean, not that bad. I know English is the 578 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: second language. Don't come from me. 579 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: Carlos Alcaraz I was number one, now number two. 580 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 3: I believe it's still number two. 581 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gets his brother to cut his hair. Is 582 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: that what we is that what we gathered there? I 583 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: need to know if Alcoraz Junior is a hairdresser by 584 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: trade or is he lazy? 585 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: It's not sounding like he is not fair, and if 586 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: he was, that is a terrible, terrible advertisement for him. 587 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: I can vouch for. There is a special fear of 588 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: God that goes through you when the head falls off 589 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: and you like offer shaving apparatus and you actually I've 590 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: been shaving Kane's head before and it fell off, and 591 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: I accidentally gave him like a zero when I was 592 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: meant to be giving him the two. But gratefully it 593 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: was at the back of his head. And then I 594 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, how am I going to fix this? 595 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: How does that work? It's hard? Oh he wasn't he 596 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: shaving your heads easy? It's hard. 597 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: It's hard. 598 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: It's hard. 599 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: I remember I shaved when I was still working at 600 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: ABC Nate burns head for raising money for cancer. 601 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will never forget just how difficult it was. 602 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is my new calling. And 603 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: then I was like, couldn't even get he's such any care. 604 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: Couldn't even get. 605 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 1: And then they go into the light and you're like, 606 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: I botch that. Can you see the back of your 607 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: own head? 608 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: Let's but no mirrors for you? 609 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: Can we just stress? I would like to highlight the 610 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: sexism here. Oh Britney shaves her head, she's having a meltout. 611 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Carlos shaves his head is a brother's mistake. I just 612 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: feel in twenty twenty five, we should still leave Britney alone. 613 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: And I mean, hey, the older that we get, Britney's 614 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: making sense. 615 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: Again, just dancing with some knives. I just semi naked, 616 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: Just have left the building. She's got none left to him. 617 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: Oh, shavers away, guys, shave us away. 618 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: That's what we've learned on this episode. Two good spots. 619 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: You are well to what She was probably thirty five 620 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: when she shaved her head. I'm gonna find out. I'm 621 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: literally googling working Brittany wasn't shaved. 622 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: She probably acually wasn't that old. 623 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: But just in Brittany age, you know, because she's it's 624 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: like she's been with us since we were too. 625 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: So, yeah, she also had to wear low rise jeans. Yeah, 626 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: like she went with a lot that woman and dancing 627 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: on Jennies. It's a lot. 628 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: The funniest thing you've ever said. She had to wear 629 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: low rise. 630 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the worst to wear the a lot. 631 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: It's fair. Okay, Okay, so she was actually hang on, 632 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: hang on, producer Aaron over or Unders thirty five when 633 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: Brittany had to shave her head. Unders. 634 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Aaron's right. Aaron's right. 635 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: She was twenty five, So you go, how old are we? 636 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 2: She was twenty five and going through it and going 637 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 2: through it. 638 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: You're not going through anything at twenty five? What what 639 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: do you mean? I get it and her as is twelve. 640 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: You don't get to be existential until you're thirty five. 641 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: You have made my day surprising absolutely no one. This 642 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: is way too much fuss, but I just love and 643 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. What a day, what a day, 644 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: what a day. I'd love you, Thank you. 645 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: Love you too. Until next week. 646 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here.