1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520
Speaker 1: We've now got a commitment from the Labor Party and

2
00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,680
Speaker 1: the COLP promising to ban the use of commercial gill

3
00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,879
Speaker 1: nets for Barra Mundy fishing if well the Labor Party

4
00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,119
Speaker 1: if they're re elected in August. Now it's also well,

5
00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,720
Speaker 1: it's also committing to a buyback the Labor parties of

6
00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,600
Speaker 1: these commercial barrel mundy fishing licenses, which the peak body

7
00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,200
Speaker 1: for recreational fishers has long been pushing for. The party

8
00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,319
Speaker 1: plans to phase out gil netting and buy back the

9
00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,040
Speaker 1: licenses over four years, pledging to start stakeholder's talks in September.

10
00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,880
Speaker 1: Now joining us in the studio is the CEO David Cherivolo.

11
00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:38,800
Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

12
00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,599
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning Katie, and good morning everybody.

13
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,680
Speaker 1: Great have you in the studio now, First off, what

14
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,960
Speaker 1: is your reaction to the election promise.

15
00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,479
Speaker 2: We're absolutely thrilled with the election promises, initially in the

16
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,800
Speaker 2: morning from Labor and shortly after from the COLP to

17
00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,000
Speaker 2: both declare that they would phase out gill neetes for

18
00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 2: Barrowmundy over the next four years, which we think is

19
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,200
Speaker 2: an absolutely critical change. It was front and center of

20
00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 2: our election policy questionnaire. It's something that we've been working

21
00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,640
Speaker 2: very hard on for quite some time. There was a

22
00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,440
Speaker 2: Barramundy review that had been running for a number of years.

23
00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,960
Speaker 2: Your listeners may remember in recent years up to fifty

24
00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,839
Speaker 2: percent of the area where fifty percent of the catch

25
00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,240
Speaker 2: was coming from for the commercial sector, had been closed.

26
00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,320
Speaker 2: We just had too much net in not enough water.

27
00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,679
Speaker 2: And really what happened is when the new rules came

28
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,840
Speaker 2: in October, they were not fit for purpose. We had

29
00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,320
Speaker 2: interim rules that were rushed in in February and again

30
00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,000
Speaker 2: just showing that we was a square peg, round hole situation.

31
00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,080
Speaker 2: We've got commercial fishes out there with who are not

32
00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,840
Speaker 2: able to make a go of it with the amount

33
00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,800
Speaker 2: of water they've got access to, and that scrammed them

34
00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,520
Speaker 2: into key recreational fishing areas and we don't want to

35
00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,920
Speaker 2: see that increase. We want the territory to be the

36
00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,559
Speaker 2: best place to go fishing for Barramundy in the world.

37
00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 2: I think it is today, but this sense a very

38
00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,880
Speaker 2: strong signal that the territory is the place for recreational

39
00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,160
Speaker 2: fishing long into the future.

40
00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,280
Speaker 1: Well, and clearly both parties have seen it as a

41
00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,040
Speaker 1: bit of an election you know platform as well. It

42
00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,440
Speaker 1: is something that they've now committed to. I mean, it

43
00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,920
Speaker 1: does to me seem like it seems as sol and

44
00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,320
Speaker 1: I know the point that you made that obviously access

45
00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,200
Speaker 1: to different waterways had changed towards the end of last year,

46
00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,320
Speaker 1: But it does seem to me like, you know, they've

47
00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,200
Speaker 1: sort of both have been dragged to the party kicking

48
00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,440
Speaker 1: and screaming to some degree, in the sense that commercial

49
00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,000
Speaker 1: reckfishers have been screaming for change now for a while.

50
00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,280
Speaker 2: Oh, look, I think I think it's a fair it's

51
00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,480
Speaker 2: a fair assessment. At the same time, it's also the

52
00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,120
Speaker 2: case that fisheries management is extremely complex, and it is

53
00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,520
Speaker 2: a public resource, and so there are a lot of

54
00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,360
Speaker 2: voices and opinions and industries and different stakeholders involved, obviously

55
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,640
Speaker 2: not just recreational, commercial and tourism, but also traditional owner

56
00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,720
Speaker 2: and aboriginal fishing. It's very important for all of those

57
00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,920
Speaker 2: voices to be in part of the conversation. But look,

58
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,519
Speaker 2: we've been working very hard.

59
00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:00,640
Speaker 1: Now.

60
00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,920
Speaker 2: Of course, as a wreck fishing peak body, we have

61
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,480
Speaker 2: a vested interest to get the best for our sector.

62
00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160
Speaker 2: But in this case it also happens to be what's

63
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,480
Speaker 2: best for the territory. And so what we've been trying

64
00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,520
Speaker 2: to do is We've worked with both of the parties

65
00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,519
Speaker 2: very diligently. We've sat down a lost count of the

66
00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,679
Speaker 2: number of meetings we've had with the minister's shadow ministers,

67
00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,880
Speaker 2: with the party leaders, and so we're very pleased to

68
00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,440
Speaker 2: have been effective and to have been listened to. And

69
00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,520
Speaker 2: we do understand that took some time, certainly frustrating for

70
00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 2: some stakeholders, but we're pleased to see now going forward

71
00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,520
Speaker 2: there appears to be a clear pathway to phase out Barramundi.

72
00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,680
Speaker 1: Gilnetting David, what does it mean for recreational fishing from

73
00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,040
Speaker 1: your perspective.

74
00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 2: Well, the recreational fishing industry in the territory, even back

75
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,640
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen was worth two hundred and seventy million

76
00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,640
Speaker 2: dollars of GDP contribution to the territory. So that's what

77
00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,200
Speaker 2: people are spending, but actual money generated and contributed to

78
00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,720
Speaker 2: the territory economy, not money that's going out of the

79
00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,960
Speaker 2: territory buying boats and stuff where the cost has come out.

80
00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,480
Speaker 2: Where this is the money that's actually generated in the

81
00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,680
Speaker 2: territory and stays in the territory. Two and a half

82
00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,520
Speaker 2: thousand jobs and that's back in twenty nineteen. We want

83
00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,080
Speaker 2: to see that industry grow. We know we've got a

84
00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,200
Speaker 2: competitor in Queensland. We know that other jurisdictions like Victoria

85
00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,640
Speaker 2: investing in their recreational fishing. The territory has to be

86
00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,040
Speaker 2: the place that offers the best fishing in the country

87
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,920
Speaker 2: for two key reasons. One, territorianes love their fishing. We

88
00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,919
Speaker 2: want people to come here and work in new industries.

89
00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,120
Speaker 2: We want them to stay. They have to be able

90
00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,279
Speaker 2: to enjoy the territory way of life. Yep. That's what

91
00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,800
Speaker 2: we've been fighting for. And we know it's huge for

92
00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,040
Speaker 2: tourism and tourists bring new money into the territory and

93
00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,040
Speaker 2: they get a taste of the territory way of life,

94
00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,599
Speaker 2: and so fishing and barrow money fishing in particular is critical.

95
00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,400
Speaker 2: This sets the pathway for the territory to be the

96
00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,400
Speaker 2: barrow capital long into the future.

97
00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,040
Speaker 1: Now without gillnetting, because I know that there's going to

98
00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,920
Speaker 1: be some people out there listening saying, you know, we'll

99
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,360
Speaker 1: fee I don't go out on a bite. I'm not

100
00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,039
Speaker 1: a fisher. I want to still be able to go

101
00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,520
Speaker 1: and get a nice piece of barrow moundy for a

102
00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,760
Speaker 1: reasonable amount of is that going to be able to happen.

103
00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,440
Speaker 2: Still, I think it's really important to acknowledge a couple

104
00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,800
Speaker 2: of things. One, the baron mundy fishery had become uneconomical anyway,

105
00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,120
Speaker 2: and the price of baron mundy has actually increased about

106
00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,240
Speaker 2: thirty percent in the last couple of years. The supply

107
00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,120
Speaker 2: of ballot barrel mundy has been going right down for

108
00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 2: wild court yep, the farmed barrel mundy production has been

109
00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,120
Speaker 2: increasing and it's about it's about the wildcatch is only

110
00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,480
Speaker 2: about five percent of the farm production. But having said that,

111
00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,440
Speaker 2: barrel mundy can be a premium eating product, but it

112
00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,120
Speaker 2: needs to be very well looked after. Gil NEETs didn't

113
00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,279
Speaker 2: necessarily lend themselves to delivering barrel moundey in the best quality.

114
00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,640
Speaker 2: So I think what we've heard from both parties and

115
00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,040
Speaker 2: certainly Labor put a little bit more detail out yesterday

116
00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,520
Speaker 2: around the fact that they want to look at alternative

117
00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,000
Speaker 2: methods and I think that I think there might have

118
00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,200
Speaker 2: been some media done by the opposition around that too,

119
00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800
Speaker 2: saying that they want to work on alternative methods. We

120
00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,760
Speaker 2: know there's nine million dollars that's been invested by the

121
00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,240
Speaker 2: Queensland government and the Comnwealth government looking at alternative gear

122
00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,680
Speaker 2: and we as the as THEREC fishing peak body would

123
00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,960
Speaker 2: be supportive of our smaller volume but well spread out

124
00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,320
Speaker 2: commercial barrel Monday fishery that was very much focused on

125
00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,360
Speaker 2: bringing high quality product to market for premium restaurant experiences.

126
00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,200
Speaker 2: But let's be clear about this. Fish and chips are

127
00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,080
Speaker 2: not under threat. Good this is I love them, yeah, absolutely,

128
00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,360
Speaker 2: and so do I and so people wouldn't believe it,

129
00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,279
Speaker 2: but I spent as probably as much money as going

130
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,160
Speaker 2: fishing as that do buying fish, because I'm obsessed with

131
00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,400
Speaker 2: eating fish. But the territory actually produces a lot of seafood,

132
00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,080
Speaker 2: and this overall impacts about five percent of seafood. We've

133
00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,280
Speaker 2: got twenty two hundred tons in comparison to it, maybe

134
00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,520
Speaker 2: a couple of hundred tons of barrow, twenty two hundred

135
00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,080
Speaker 2: tons of snapper produced in the Northern Territory. We've got

136
00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,040
Speaker 2: about five hundred tons of Spanish mackerel, one hundred and

137
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,200
Speaker 2: fifty tons thereabouts of jewfish, and then of course we've

138
00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,320
Speaker 2: got mud crabs and other mackerels and all of the

139
00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,640
Speaker 2: other fish as well. So there is plenty of fish

140
00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,400
Speaker 2: and the great thing about that is a lot of

141
00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,880
Speaker 2: that's actually cheaper than barrel mundy was. So what I

142
00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,599
Speaker 2: would say to people is, when they're going to go

143
00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,640
Speaker 2: buy fish and chips, look out for fish that's really

144
00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,560
Speaker 2: well managed. Look for fisheries that are line court mackerel, jewfish,

145
00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,839
Speaker 2: one fish at a time. They've got quota controls, highly

146
00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,800
Speaker 2: sustainable fisheries, and they taste great and they're really good

147
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,120
Speaker 2: for the environment as well.

148
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,400
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, something you and I spoke

149
00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,440
Speaker 1: about a few weeks ago, and then we continued the

150
00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,680
Speaker 1: discussion sort of the following week was a possible jetty.

151
00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,880
Speaker 1: At each point made Has there been much like? Has

152
00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,920
Speaker 1: there been much movement? Do you know if the government's

153
00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,960
Speaker 1: received I guess I would you know, You may not know,

154
00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,080
Speaker 1: but whether they've received much feedback in relation.

155
00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,360
Speaker 2: To this, look a jetty is an integral piece of

156
00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,280
Speaker 2: the puzzle here. It's great to have wonderful policy around

157
00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,800
Speaker 2: barrow money, and that's the lure of the territory, right.

158
00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 2: People need to be able to get out and go fishing.

159
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,000
Speaker 2: Not everybody has a boat, and not everybody is a

160
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,640
Speaker 2: super avid fisher, and not everybody has the abilities to

161
00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,400
Speaker 2: launch their own people maybe who are older or have

162
00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,000
Speaker 2: mobility challenges. We want them to be able to go

163
00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,200
Speaker 2: fishing and enjoy the territory way of life. So we

164
00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,160
Speaker 2: do need a new jetty East Point at Dudley Point,

165
00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,800
Speaker 2: there is the right spot for it. Encourage people to

166
00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,920
Speaker 2: jump on their have your say and make sure they

167
00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,080
Speaker 2: do that. The overwhelming response has been positive. There's been

168
00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,360
Speaker 2: a few knockers here and there. Some people you know,

169
00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,440
Speaker 2: can't see the forest for the trees. That's okay, but look,

170
00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,520
Speaker 2: it is a very popular spot. We understand people have

171
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,480
Speaker 2: different opinions, but a jetty is for everybody. Great for fishing,

172
00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,640
Speaker 2: great for families, but also great to watch the sunset,

173
00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,560
Speaker 2: have an ice cream, and I think it will really

174
00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,760
Speaker 2: activate that space, make it a safer space. We know

175
00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,080
Speaker 2: there's been some issues around each point at night when

176
00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,600
Speaker 2: there's nobody around. Bring in families, bring in people, activate

177
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,680
Speaker 2: the space and you'll get rid of that element that

178
00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to have there. There'll be eyes watching

179
00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,679
Speaker 2: what's going on and we'll actually have a great family

180
00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,720
Speaker 2: space and we'll really activate each point in a way

181
00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,040
Speaker 2: that is healthy and sustainable into the future.

182
00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,760
Speaker 1: Well, David Chirovolo. Always good to catch up with you.

183
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,000
Speaker 1: Really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks for joining me.

184
00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,360
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Key, thank you,