1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Like aways say, I watch Parliament so you guys don't 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: have to, but sometimes it can get a bit frustrating 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: as you see certain things happening, and question times always 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: a time where you do sort of scratch your head 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: in a few different ways. But yesterday I know that 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: the COLP was pretty fired up after they'd done their 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: best to put forward their opposition fuel disclosure Bill and 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: then rather than you know, rather than then going to 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: a voge. Essentially, what's happened is my understanding is that 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: it's been now pushed, well, the debate's been pushed into February. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line to tell us a 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: little bit more about exactly what went on is the 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Opposition's Marie Claire Boothby. Good morning to your Marie Claire. 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners. 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Talk me through exactly what happened yesterday when it comes 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: to the fuel price Disclosure Bill. 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, as you may have alluded to, we actually 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: introduced this bill back in August and at that time, 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: Darwin motorists are actually paying thirty cents more than their 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: southern capitals, which is you know, horrendous. So then last 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: night we finally got to debate the bill in straightaway, 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: sin as Labor got up to speak about it, they 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: said they would not back that bill, and rather than 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: allowing that vote to occur, they literally kicked it down 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: the road until after February, which means that every single 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: time territories fill up at that Bowser over Christmas, they 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: should think about Natasha Files and Labor because again they 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: have proved that they're siding with the fuel, the big 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: field companies, and they're not backing territorians. They really are 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: out of touch and they're out of ideas, and they 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: literally are not listening to territoriums. 32 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: And so why did they push it further along? Why 33 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: not just have that vote? 34 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: Well exactly, and that's the question we want to ask. 35 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: Like they are siding with the big field companies. They 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: don't actually believe in this whatsoever. They think that territories 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: aren't getting ripped off, which is completely at odds with 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: their own labor Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who believes that 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: you know, refiners inmputers and wholesalers, they should consider themselves unnoticed. 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: You know, we had Luke Gosling also speaking out saying 41 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: that Territorians were taken for mugs and that they need 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: the biggest stick. So there's all these people talking about 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: how this needs to happen and Territorians can't keep paying 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: higher fuel prices and can't be continue to be gouged, 45 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: and yet Natasha Files just basically their whole team just 46 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: talked and talked and talked until the time ran out, 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: ultimately kicking it down the road until next year. 48 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: Mary Claire talk us through this fuel price disclosure bill 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: for those out there listening this morning that maybe don't 50 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: know exactly what this would have seen. What was the 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: CLP proposing. 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: Here, So basically it was going to force the big 53 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: fuel retailers, so not the small independence but the big 54 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: fuel retailers, to disclose their profit margins, which promotes competition. 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: And it is actually in line with the atripal C 56 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: and their recommendations back in twenty fifteen. And what we 57 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: saw is that Natasha Files decided to not go with 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: those recommendations and instead just kick it down the road. 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: I don't think she wants to have this conversation with Territorians. 60 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: She doesn't want to fish them and tell them that 61 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: they could do something about the cost of living here 62 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: in the territory, but they're choosing not to. 63 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: And so how do you reckon by making those big 64 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: fuel retailers disclose their profit margins, how do you reckon 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: that'll bring down the price. 66 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, it makes them disclose them so that they have 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: to show it to territorieness exactly what's going on, and 68 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: you know, create that competition. And our whole intention with 69 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: this legislation was that from opposition, we created a small 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: piece of legislation which would shine o lights on the 71 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: fact that their territorians were being gouged. The government had 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: every opportunity to come in and say, okay, great, let's 73 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: have a look at this then, and what else can 74 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 2: we do to make this even tighter or bolster it 75 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: or whatever they can. They've got the people in government 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: there that could look at this and to really pay attention. 77 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: But what they've done is just walked completely away from 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: it and said, well, no, there's nothing we can do. 79 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: We even had last night questions that we asked about, well, 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: if you're not going to support this bill, then what 81 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: are you going to do about it? What are you 82 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: going to do with territorians to reduce the cost of 83 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: living and they have nothing. There's no plan there whatsoever, 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: and that gives territorians no confidence at all. 85 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: I mean, has the CLP look, you know, I think 86 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: this Billy is a good idea, but have you missed 87 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: the mark here a little bit in terms of the timing? 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, when can we when it's a good 89 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: time to have a lower. 90 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: A few months ago? You know, a few months ago 91 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: would have been a good time when it was at 92 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: its at its peak. 93 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and it continues to fluctuate. We've seen that 94 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: right across the territory and there's a real difference between 95 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: you know, prices at different stations right throughout the territory 96 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: as well. But I mean we we also did try 97 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: and bring this on a couple of months ago and 98 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: that got knocked back as well. So there's a whole 99 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: heap of things going on here where the Tasha files. 100 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: She doesn't want to talk about this. She's quite happy 101 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 2: just to let it slide and let territories continue to suffer. 102 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we spoke to a business who basically set 103 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: showed us an invoice that had a forty two percent 104 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: fuel levee on every invoice for palettes which were being 105 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: received at their shop. Now they can't always put that 106 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: price onto consumers because you know, you can't put up 107 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: milk forty two percent or bread. You know, that's just 108 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: not palatable. So they're having to absorb that. So the 109 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: cost of small businesses is also detrimental. And have time 110 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: right now where businesses are being attacked with criminals and 111 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: that's out of control. You know, we've already seen you know, 112 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: economic problems for the last number of years, let alone COVID. 113 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we just can't afford for anything else to 114 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: go wrong for our small businesses. And again this proves 115 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: you know, they're out of touch, they're not listening, and 116 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: they are completely out of ideas because, like I said, 117 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: they had every opportunity to tell territories what they are 118 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: doing to reduce the cost of lidding, and they haven't 119 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: done that at all. We have nothing from them. 120 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: Well, Marie Claire Boosby, we always appreciate your time. Thank 121 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: you very much for stepping out of Parliament today to 122 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: have a quick chat with us. What's on the agenda today, Yeah, today. 123 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: They're actually looking to pass some legislation to finally start 124 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: the implementation process for b TOLOO for the gas they 125 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: on sure Gas. So we are supporting that legislation. We 126 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: think it's about time. I think this is the last, 127 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: absolute last day they could bring on this legislation to 128 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: make sure it happened once and for all. So yeah, 129 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: we're supporting that. Finally. You know, it's taken the whole long, 130 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: long time to get to this point, but hopefully we 131 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: can see some traction now out of the bloo Marie Claire. 132 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with you. Thank you so 133 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: much for having a chat with me this morning. 134 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Thank you, Katey, thank you.