WEBVTT - CELEBRATION OF MR INBETWEEN WITH SCOTT RYAN  

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast I'll be going behind the scenes with

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest players in television. Today's episode is a bonus

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<v Speaker 1>midweek special to coincide with the launch of Mister in

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<v Speaker 1>Between series three. Yep May twenty six, at eight thirty

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<v Speaker 1>on Foxtel, you can start the final series of one

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia's most original characters, Ray Shuesmith. He's a hit man,

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<v Speaker 1>but the twist really lies in the characters likability. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the character's first incarnation as a short film called

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<v Speaker 1>The Magician at the sink Hilda Film Festival in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four, which was nearly twenty years ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>story resonated with Joel Edgerton's brother, Nash Edgerton, who was

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<v Speaker 1>one of Australia's best storytellers. Nash believed in this wildly

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<v Speaker 1>successful story from the ground floor, and since then we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen a feature film and then this wildly successful

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<v Speaker 1>current FX series which is in its third but sadly

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<v Speaker 1>final series. The show is quite violent, but the heart

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<v Speaker 1>and soul of the story is like nothing you've seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>I have the creator, writer and star Scott Ryan with

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<v Speaker 1>us to discuss the origins of Mister in between violence

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<v Speaker 1>and Cinema, why the show is coming to an end,

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<v Speaker 1>and he will reveal if he is sad about this

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<v Speaker 1>final chapter for his iconic character. I absolutely loved this chat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you do too, So I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome Scott Ryan and you so this week's TV Reload

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<v Speaker 1>Bonus episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I just started tracking down every book ever written about hitman,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't understand is ye as bad people at

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<v Speaker 2>the The thing I like about guys like Ray is

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<v Speaker 2>they don't hear the consequences a.

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<v Speaker 1>Story about a hit man who's just trying to show

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<v Speaker 1>the world that your job doesn't to fight you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've all at some point wanted to hit somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>And the actor goes to Scott Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many people out there watching the show who

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<v Speaker 2>understand what it's like to go out and kill people.

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<v Speaker 1>But the beauty of it is you're just watching a

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<v Speaker 1>man make one choice after the other and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>emphasizing with it.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, I think we did amorized

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<v Speaker 2>violence as a society.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you made to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, good mate yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm actually really excited to be having this chat

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I have to say that Mister in Between

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<v Speaker 1>has had a real cult following. There are those that

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<v Speaker 1>know how good it is and those that don't, but

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's watched the show has really loved it. How

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<v Speaker 1>have you processed the popularity of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, when you make anything, you want other people

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<v Speaker 2>to like it. That's number one. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>make something and people respond to it positively, you feel vindicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Those thousands of hours that I spent doing that, not

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping properly, not eating properly, and everything else that goes

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<v Speaker 2>into it, do you feel like, well, it was worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you the most inspired by growing up watching TV?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, you look at Happy Days, Gilligan's Island,

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<v Speaker 2>Lost in Space. Yeah, lots and lots of stuff, And

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<v Speaker 2>then I guess they got older. I got into Sein Fowl,

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<v Speaker 2>Curby Your Enthusiasm, and in a lot of ways, this

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<v Speaker 2>show is kind of a lot like curbyr. Enthusiasm, except

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<v Speaker 2>that instead of the show being about a comedian Larry David,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about a hit man really, and his responses to

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<v Speaker 2>people are probably just a little different. To Larry David's responses.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than sort of yelling at people, he just tends

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<v Speaker 2>to kill them or beat them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you play. I mean, this guy is so likable.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the likable hit man. He's kind of the anti

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<v Speaker 1>hero in a way, which made me think about all

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<v Speaker 1>the roughest people that I've met in my life, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you, why are so many bad

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<v Speaker 1>guys so charming?

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is with bad guys as opposed to nice guys,

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<v Speaker 2>or however you want to put it, bad guys are

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<v Speaker 2>not really I think what keeps a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>in check is fear of consequences. I think we've all

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<v Speaker 2>at some point wanted to hit somebody. Yeah, if we're

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<v Speaker 2>all honest, you know there are people that we have

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to punch in the face. Why don't we because

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<v Speaker 2>we're scared they're going to punch us back, or we're

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<v Speaker 2>scared that if we do some damage, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to jail. Whereas the thing I like about guys

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<v Speaker 2>like Ray is they don't fear the consequences so much. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to hear you, and that's it. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think fear keeps a lot of us in society.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, whether it's fear of getting hurt, or fear

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<v Speaker 2>of going to jail, or fear of the consequences, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they may be, actually keeps a lot of people in check.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something about watching these people do what we

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<v Speaker 2>all would like to do. Every now and then we're

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<v Speaker 2>living vicariously. They're doing the things that we would like

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<v Speaker 2>to do to some extent, you know, That's what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I mean, that's why I enjoy watching these

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<v Speaker 2>sort of characters, you know, because they're living that life

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<v Speaker 2>that I kind of would like to. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>In school, I just wanted to share this with you that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there was a couple of rough guys in

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<v Speaker 1>my year level and they really protected me because for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, they thought I was funny. But it made

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<v Speaker 1>me think about is it good to have a few

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<v Speaker 1>characters like Ray in your back pocket?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Look, at least one everybody should have a Ray

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<v Speaker 2>character in their life. At least one. I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>Ray character in my life. It's good to have people that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, You've got to be careful, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody annoys you, you can't really tell them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't get them go, oh, this person they did this,

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<v Speaker 2>they did that, and ah, you know, because the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is they'll go and do something about it. They might

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<v Speaker 2>take just not whoever that person was. I'll have a

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<v Speaker 2>nasty accident, they'll trip over, and yeah, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>be careful to some degree, I've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you come up with the story originally? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this character has been now alive for twenty years nearly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, two thousand and four for us the first

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<v Speaker 1>time audience has met him, but for you probably longer.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did you come up with this story?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I was I read a book called Contract Killer

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<v Speaker 2>years ago and it was about an American hit man

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<v Speaker 2>and it was basically a biography and he was just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about his life and how he got into it

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and I just I was fascinated by the character.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had to well, I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>a feature. I had no money, and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't I do mocumentary breake docco about this character.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not American, He's Australian, and let's follow him

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<v Speaker 2>and just watch his sort of day to day life.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's basically where the character Race Hu Smith came afternoon, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>are you Ray Shu Smith? I don't answer questions. Can

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<v Speaker 2>I help you? We're looking for a ras Shoe Smith?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he live here? I don't answer questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there somebody here who can answer questions? I don't

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<v Speaker 2>answer questions. Okay, I don't really know how to respond

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<v Speaker 2>to that, Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>What sort of research do you do? I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>said that you read this book and sort of that

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<v Speaker 1>was the inception, but you know, at the point where

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to make this real life, So what sort

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<v Speaker 1>of research did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Basically, I just started tracking down every book ever

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<v Speaker 2>written about Hitmenn, whether it was biographical or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>true crime, a lot of mafia stuff, and anything where

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<v Speaker 2>there was any kind of mention of a hit man.

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<v Speaker 2>I read it and made notes, a lot, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of notes. You know, this is the other and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I known people in alive who you could say are

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit dodgy, spoke to them, and then, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's the work side of it, but then

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<v Speaker 2>with the personal side of it, you're talking to other people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a lot of the stuff in the show

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<v Speaker 2>that relates to Ray and Britney is based on experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>The nash the director had with his daughter, who plays

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter in the show, sounds like a myth, Hospark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a like a tradition. So he is reel, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>So where did presents come from? So why do you

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<v Speaker 1>lie about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question? I mean, I don't even know whether I

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<v Speaker 2>will say anything comes from the sex talk and all

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff that all came from just talking

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<v Speaker 2>to him. He was telling me these stories. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know the Christmas scene with the guy getting you know,

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<v Speaker 2>taking his daughter's present, that actually happened to his daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, somebody took her present that she really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>during a secret Sannah. That's the inspiration for that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of stuff has come from different people's

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<v Speaker 2>experience as friends of mine. You know, I've had conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with people. I mean, there was a conversation in season

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<v Speaker 2>two where Ray and Gary are sitting around the fire

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<v Speaker 2>and they're talking about Kalamari. I was, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had that conversation with Justin Rosneyak who plays Gary in

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<v Speaker 2>his kitchen, and I said, oh mate, this is probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna end up in the show. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>believed me, and then a year later we're sitting around

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<v Speaker 2>the fire doing it in front of a camera. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the best thing about your work, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that there is I mean, you're bringing real life

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<v Speaker 1>conversations into these characters, into these stories. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>like that about Australian drama in particularly especially in Australian

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<v Speaker 1>scripted drama, is where you feel like, these conversations are

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<v Speaker 1>those real human moments that we have with one another,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when you resonate as an.

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<v Speaker 2>Audi earlier, because yeah, it helps you hook in. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's especially difficult with a character like this because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many people out there watching the show who understand

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like to go out and kill people. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if he was an accountant, there's lots of accountants who

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<v Speaker 2>could relate, but because of what he does, people can't relate.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got to have that dialogue there so that

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<v Speaker 2>people can relate to him. People can go what you,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a conversation just like that and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the same way as he feels, and that gets

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<v Speaker 2>the audience to them to be able to relate to

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<v Speaker 2>this person and go, oh okay, yeah, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>know people like this or I'm kind of like that

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<v Speaker 2>that hooks you in. I mean, the whole conceit of

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<v Speaker 2>the show is I wanted people to see what this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's life is like, but I also wanted to like

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<v Speaker 2>him and to also get people to sort of, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>be less judgmental of other people. Just because somebody does

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<v Speaker 2>this for a living doesn't mean they're necessarily evil, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody has good qualities, Even people who are evil

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<v Speaker 2>have good qualities, even people who do bad things, even

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<v Speaker 2>bad guys, you know. And I've met some bad guys

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<v Speaker 2>in my time, when I found them to be the

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<v Speaker 2>most dangerous people I've ever met, are also the most nicest, respectful, honest,

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<v Speaker 2>and loyal people I've ever met.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so true, though, But you know what's interesting is

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<v Speaker 1>I have to confess to you my favorite characters in

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<v Speaker 1>television and film have always been flawed characters, people who

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<v Speaker 1>are almost a little bit villainous.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're more interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They are more interesting. But I think for me it's

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<v Speaker 1>more relatable, and I in my own life am more

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<v Speaker 1>trustworthy with people who are upfront about their flaws and

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<v Speaker 1>own their flaws instead of are that, because I'd much

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<v Speaker 1>prefer to be friends with someone who's honest and bad

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<v Speaker 1>about who they are than these people who pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>be good. The more perfect someone tries to present themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to me, the more likely I'm going to run away

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<v Speaker 1>because I'll be like, they're the ones you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>That, That's exactly true. The people in this life give

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<v Speaker 2>you have to watch out for the phonies. People got

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<v Speaker 2>to watch out for the people who pretend to be

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<v Speaker 2>something but they're really not. You know, those are the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are most evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could be bothered trying to pretend to be someone

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not. To be honest with you, To be.

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<v Speaker 2>Honest with you, I think everybody is a little phony

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<v Speaker 2>to some degree. I don't think anybody is one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent of authentic. The amount of work it takes to

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<v Speaker 2>be phony, it's like you're acting all the time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like you've created this character and then acting that person

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<v Speaker 2>out in real life to be somebody or not. And

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<v Speaker 2>that must be incredibly tiring, because I know how tiring

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<v Speaker 2>is to act a camera. That I have to do

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<v Speaker 2>that every day when there's no cameras must be incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>difficult and keeping track of all the lies? What lie

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<v Speaker 2>did I tell? How am I going to tell this lie?

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<v Speaker 2>How am I going to come up? Is anybody going

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<v Speaker 2>to find out the lies that I've told? All that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff must be It's just incredibly hard work,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't I feel sorry for anybody with a

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<v Speaker 2>disease of phoniness.

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<v Speaker 1>Has this character evolved in a way that's quite surprising?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when I created the show, I kind of had a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of where it was going to go. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that it was going to be more of a character

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<v Speaker 2>study than the film was, and we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to see what it's like for, you know, to live

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of double life for this guy, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of always knew where I wanted it to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you had to describe each season by overall theme,

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<v Speaker 1>like I felt like, you know, you've been telling it

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<v Speaker 1>an evolution. Is there a way you could describe each season?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean season one is about a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>is very good at his job and he's basically bulletproof.

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<v Speaker 2>If I wrote all that again season two, the audience

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<v Speaker 2>would be like, well that was good season one, but

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<v Speaker 2>is that it? So Season two was more about getting

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<v Speaker 2>deeper into the character. Why is this guy doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>And who is he? You know, let's look at that

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<v Speaker 2>and let's have some cracks to start appearing and starting

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<v Speaker 2>to see the flaws in this person and a little

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<v Speaker 2>more and then you know, taking it into season three,

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<v Speaker 2>we've said all that up. You know, we know he's

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<v Speaker 2>good at this, and that we know he's got flaws,

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<v Speaker 2>We know your cracks, we know where he why he is,

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<v Speaker 2>what he is to some degree. Let's really see if

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<v Speaker 2>we can really get this guy to just crack, if

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<v Speaker 2>we can finally get this guy to just go ah

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<v Speaker 2>and we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any concern that you might be glamorizing violence

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<v Speaker 1>at all when you're telling this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think, to be honest with you, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we do glamorize violence as a society. You look at

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<v Speaker 2>guys who go after war and they heroically kill twenty people.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we do We give him a medal, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give him the medal of honor, or we give him this,

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<v Speaker 2>or we make a movie about you know, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>and what he did, and we do glorify it. We

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<v Speaker 2>turn these people into heroes, and so we should. If

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<v Speaker 2>you go and risk your life to fight for your

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<v Speaker 2>country so that guys like you and I can be

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<v Speaker 2>free to live the lives that we want to live,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're prepared to go and die, we should glorify that. Yeah. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't have a problem with law refine

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<v Speaker 2>violence because violence is a part of life, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a necessary part of life. But by the same token,

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't glorify it all. Some violence is just not on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a line that you shouldn't cross.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to ask you this because this has been

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<v Speaker 1>plaguing me for years. But in the first episode of

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<v Speaker 1>series one, there is this spectacular fall in the opening sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unbelievable. How the hell was that done.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the guy on a rig, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a harness and he's got a cap and

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a rig there and you basically just paint

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff out posts so you can't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically, yeah, I really pushed him. I really pushed

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<v Speaker 2>him off those stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you describe the passion of those Edguton boys

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember in Lockdown I stumbled across I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was sixty minutes. I can't remember, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a tell all about the two boys and the

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<v Speaker 1>trajectory of their careers and the place in which it

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<v Speaker 1>started with their passion for film. But how would you

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<v Speaker 1>describe working with those boys and Nash particularly, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess the word I would say is they're very, very driven.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely very driven and very hard working people, both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after your journey, because this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>important question for you at this point, but are you

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<v Speaker 1>ready to say goodbye to this character?

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<v Speaker 2>Most definitely. I mean, it's been over twenty years for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I'm ready to go and play a romantic

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<v Speaker 2>lead in a big budget romantic comedy in the US. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be sad to see the story finish, but

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<v Speaker 1>I also am so excited to see what you do next.

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<v Speaker 1>One question I always ask my guests before they go,

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<v Speaker 1>what is an amazing story from behind the scenes that

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<v Speaker 1>we as an audience would appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the gutsiest things I've ever seen, actually in

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<v Speaker 2>my life was one of the actors in season three

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<v Speaker 2>who I won't name, who had a bit of an

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<v Speaker 2>issue with heights and all that kind of stuff. She

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<v Speaker 2>was put in a situation where you know, she was

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<v Speaker 2>off the ground and was completely terrified to do this

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<v Speaker 2>particular scene. I gave her the out. I said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>if you really don't want to do it, but she's like, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. And she was, you know, in tears

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<v Speaker 2>and completely terrified, handshaking, and still went through with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the gutsiest things I've ever said. Anybody

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Be that terrified, but have that much courage

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<v Speaker 2>to go and do it anyway. And you know, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's you know, you have plenty of fun,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also a tough gig and you definitely suffer

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<v Speaker 2>for your art. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you can look back on it and

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<v Speaker 2>look at the product and go, well, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>proud of it, I'm happy with it, then it's all

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<v Speaker 2>worth it. I'd hate to suffer through something and then

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<v Speaker 2>look at at the end and go, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pile of shit, you know, like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that'd be one of the worst things I've managine.

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<v Speaker 2>So luckily I'm not faced with that dilemma.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to wrap this up, I just want to say

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<v Speaker 1>you have just done such an incredible job with his story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think as an audience member, I'm so proud

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<v Speaker 1>of you and I can't wait to see what it

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<v Speaker 1>is that could you do next. And thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>bringing such rich storytelling to Australia but to the world,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being on Fax, having it been seen in America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that I think you should be really proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to say thanks for that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was good to talk to you man. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say, if everybody's questions were this good, it'd make

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<v Speaker 2>my it'd make my job of kind of getting the

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<v Speaker 2>show out there a lot, a lot more enjoyable. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.