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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now, Hello, it

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Speaker 1: stop Justin Colson with the Happy Family's podcast. My wife

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Speaker 1: and Mum's our six kids. Kylie joins me. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're enjoying your school holidays, Kylie. Today I've asked you

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Speaker 1: to take over the podcast. Every month, you write an

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Speaker 1: article for our Happy Family's premium members you talk about

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Speaker 1: being a mum and how we can find joy in

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Speaker 1: our lives. And on today's podcast, I want you to

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Speaker 1: read what you wrote for our Happy Families members last month.

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Speaker 1: For two reasons. Number one, I think everyone should hear it.

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Speaker 1: A number two, if people want more of this, then

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Speaker 1: I think they should know where they can get it,

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Speaker 1: which is in our Happy Famili's premium membership. But what

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Speaker 1: you wrote was so good.

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Speaker 2: What's called lost and Found. It was a beautiful autumn morning,

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Speaker 2: even though my time with the kids before school left

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Speaker 2: me feeling frazzled. Fragments of light shattered the water's surface,

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Speaker 2: with just the hint of a breeze brushing against my

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Speaker 2: skin as I scanned the periphery of the area where

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Speaker 2: I was waiting for my friend. She was tucked up

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Speaker 2: cozily into one of the backed bench seats down by

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Speaker 2: the lookout. As I took my place next to her,

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Speaker 2: I instantly felt an unexpressed but tangible permission to drop

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Speaker 2: my load, just for a few moments. It started with

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Speaker 2: an audible and heavy weighted sigh. It's been such a

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Speaker 2: crappy week this week with Justin away. The weight of

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Speaker 2: doing it all alone is exhausting. And what's so frustrating

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Speaker 2: is I've done such a great job at holding up

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Speaker 2: the forought all week, but today it's too heavy to

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Speaker 2: carry on my own. I just miss him so much,

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Speaker 2: the kids miss him, and I haven't had a moment

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Speaker 2: to myself all week. I just can't do it all.

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Speaker 2: I hear you. It's been a really hard week, really hard,

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Speaker 2: my friend said, And that's when I noticed that tear

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Speaker 2: is blowing freely now behind her Sonnies. It's amazing how

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Speaker 2: being v holnerable with others allows them to let down

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Speaker 2: their guard as well. And for a few not so

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Speaker 2: brief moments in time, I let my friend drop her bundle,

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Speaker 2: the one that's weighed her down all week, and left

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Speaker 2: her feeling like she just might drown in it all.

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Speaker 2: As she started to open up more and more. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't one big thing, it was a hundred little things

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Speaker 2: of nowhere, she shared her deepest, darkest hurt. I don't

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Speaker 2: even know who I am anymore. I used to love art,

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Speaker 2: going to the gym with my friends, but then the

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Speaker 2: and wife consumed me. I don't even know what I like,

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Speaker 2: what lights me up? What is wrong with me? I

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Speaker 2: have such a blessed life. My kids are amazing, my

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Speaker 2: husband is attentive, but I just feel so lost. My

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Speaker 2: friend is not alone. In fact, it's a conversation I've

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Speaker 2: held with so many of my friends and acquaintances over

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Speaker 2: the past year or more, and I've found myself feeling

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Speaker 2: similarly in recent times. Whenever I have these thoughts, I

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Speaker 2: recall the movie Runaway Bride. Julia Roberts plays a woman Maggie,

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Speaker 2: away from them. Maggie realizes that she's spent a lifetime

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Speaker 2: Some serious sleuthing on the part of the reporter leads

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Speaker 2: to an exchange between them. Here's what happens in the movie.

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Speaker 1: We're so nice and even know what kind of eggs?

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Speaker 1: scramble with a deadhead. It was fried with the other guy.

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Speaker 1: That is called a change in your mind. No, that's

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Speaker 1: called not having a mind of your own. Maggie, what

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Speaker 2: Soon we see Maggie in the kitchen, cooking eggs every

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Speaker 2: is that scene that gave me some inspiration as I

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Speaker 2: my friend was now posing to me. Who am I?

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Speaker 2: And what lights me up? As I sat with my

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Speaker 2: We could talk about this one all day. There are

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Speaker 2: not a public speaker, I could never do dot dot dot.

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Speaker 2: Fill in the blanks. But just because we think those thoughts,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make them true. Set yourself a goal to

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Speaker 2: get it. Being a mom is a full time job

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Speaker 2: and then some. And for those of you working mums

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Speaker 2: have anyone who does it for you right now, start small,

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Speaker 2: We've been walking ever since. Number three, Move your body

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Speaker 2: is in the asking that I am found.

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Speaker 1: Every month you have the opportunity to share I guess

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Speaker 1: And when you wrote that article, it struck me for

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Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. First off, I thought the three

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Speaker 1: that was just great advice. You must live with me

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Speaker 1: comes from, what you've observed, what stands out to you

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Speaker 2: More times than not, as a male, your sense of

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Speaker 2: I'm a builder, I'm a pain I'm an it guru,

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Speaker 2: I'm a parenting I'm a parenting expert. And every day

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Speaker 2: More times than not, as an accountant, you crunch the numbers,

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Speaker 2: No, but you get to disappear and stand in front

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Speaker 1: There is no better job in terms of having to

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Speaker 2: I made a conscious decision to become a mum. It's

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Speaker 1: So I want to have a question.

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Speaker 2: Wiped bottoms, cleaned toilets, as, picked up food that's been

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Speaker 1: and most of the time. Fortunately, most people really love

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Speaker 1: what we say, which is great. But I'm about to

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Speaker 1: I'm about to ask you. But I want to use

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Speaker 2: You've highlighted that you're only asking me this. I can

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think I'm about to

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Speaker 1: go there. Do you not feel a sense of satisfaction though?

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Speaker 1: And this is where I'm about to get shot by everybody.

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Speaker 1: kudos for having been a great husband, and I've cleaned

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Speaker 1: I've cooked dinner. I don't know how to say this

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I totally get that never ends.

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Speaker 2: I don't ever get to the bottom of the laundry pile.

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Speaker 1: How do you find yourself? Again? Do you find yourself

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Speaker 2: For me, it's accepting that I just might fail. I

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Speaker 2: Art scares me because I literally have had a script

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Speaker 1: So I might actually ask our social team to put

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Speaker 2: Put it into context. Two weeks later, after I started drawing,

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Speaker 2: they then asked me to paint, and that first painting session.

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Speaker 1: Was done, You mean you got paint all over your hands.

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Speaker 2: Well I did do that as well, but it challenged me.

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Speaker 2: It really like I'd gone from feeling like, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: So to find who you are.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's about finding and that's what the

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Speaker 2: emphasis of my article was, not that I'm lost. It

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Speaker 1: And developing who you are, Like you actually develop who

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Speaker 1: and by what was the third thing, moving my body.

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Speaker 1: By moving your body. That's how you this idea that

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Speaker 1: I use that term, because you don't. You develop who

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Speaker 2: And if you're waiting for someone else to give you

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Speaker 1: I knew we'd get there. I knew we'd get there.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was worthwhile conversation, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: we had it. To find out more about what Kylie's

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Speaker 1: might do this again next month because the stuff you

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Speaker 1: more there in the membership For more information about making

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Speaker 1: your family happier, of course, it's all at happy families

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Speaker 1: that happens tonight on episode three of Parental Guidance