Speaker 1: Flex and fruits.
Speaker 2: Oh yes to another day, another podcast. You've probably seen on TikTok,
Speaker 2: all of those rating videos such as He's a seven
Speaker 2: but he wears Ram Williams ten. He I'm not going
Speaker 2: to go into it because I'm not sure if I
Speaker 2: think it really is objectifying or.
Speaker 3: Not, and I don't care that it is. I think
Speaker 3: that's where I'm at. I think that, like, it sounds
Speaker 3: like your fear of whether or not you're objectifying. It's
Speaker 3: not because you care, because you think that other people care.
Speaker 2: Now, but I don't though, exmember, I'm not patronizing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you do. No, I don't because you do not.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just going to say yes, no green brown,
Speaker 2: try and confuse you with colors so you can have
Speaker 2: a poke a hole in my argument flex.
Speaker 3: I'm not poking holes. The mask of a clarification. Clarification
Speaker 3: is your worst nightmare.
Speaker 4: Son.
Speaker 3: You start mumbling, you're like, then you shut down power.
Speaker 3: So yeah, talking about the rating game. You know, last
Speaker 3: week it was all fun and giggles and then naturally
Speaker 3: what happens on TikTok with anything is that somebody wants
Speaker 3: to critically analyze it.
Speaker 2: And you started that trend, you had a lot to say.
Speaker 3: I think you're oh yeah, But I think the difference
Speaker 3: between me critically analyzing stuff is I don't actually care, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't moralize these arguments. I'm like, this is just funny.
Speaker 3: But people critically analyze to say you're a bad person
Speaker 3: for thinking this or you're a good person for thinking that,
Speaker 3: And that's when we've gone too far. It's just vibes.
Speaker 3: And so this idea of like, is it bad to objectify?
Speaker 3: It might be, but the trend was funny and I'm
Speaker 3: sticking to that, and I'm not gonna go back and
Speaker 3: be like I didn't laugh or I think what's worse
Speaker 3: is that when people decide what they think after Like,
Speaker 3: the trend was huge for two weeks, you had two
Speaker 3: whole weeks to decide whether or not you thought it
Speaker 3: was offensive. Don't let one person on the internet decide
Speaker 3: for you and then make you feel bad. That just
Speaker 3: means you have a weak resolve and no brain.
Speaker 2: Heavy heavy, that's heavy.
Speaker 3: What you just said, weak resolve and no brain.
Speaker 2: A non sentient being. AI's perfect form right now, Savage,
Speaker 2: let's get into it.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms.
Speaker 2: We love to look back, throw back. I personally am
Speaker 2: great annoying what year things happened.
Speaker 3: It's a gift and a skill.
Speaker 2: You have one of my plethora of skills, and you're
Speaker 2: very good at I would say, like sensing a feel.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you have a tangible hard skill.
Speaker 2: I've got a vibe, just vibes were you're a fan
Speaker 2: of Hillary Duff growing up?
Speaker 3: I don't think so?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Did you watch? People have a lot of Yeah, people
Speaker 3: have a lot of close memories with things like that.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's doing this deep dive on her on YouTube last night.
Speaker 2: It's called The Twisted World of Hillary Duff and it's
Speaker 2: on a channel called deep Dive.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of them?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: This sounds like a a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: It looks fantastic. It's all about deep dives on like
Speaker 2: ex Disney stars and all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 2: what I learned was that when Hillary Duff was sixteen,
Speaker 2: she was dating a Madden Joel Madden.
Speaker 3: Sixteen.
Speaker 2: Guess how old he was?
Speaker 3: Twenty six?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ah?
Speaker 2: How did we alet Joel Madden?
Speaker 1: Don't say we.
Speaker 3: I would have never done that. I would have never
Speaker 3: let her do it. How did that happen. This is
Speaker 3: like two thousand and seven era. This happens too much
Speaker 3: in Hollywood, two too too much.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering how it took ten years, like obviously do.
Speaker 3: I just think like these young children are heaps over sexualized,
Speaker 3: so like we perceive them to be a lot older
Speaker 3: than they are when they are children. That were kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh yeah, that makes sense, Like she wears
Speaker 3: makeup and heels, she must be an adult because I
Speaker 3: don't recall in my head, I can never recall Hillary
Speaker 3: Duff being sixteen. She was always twenty five and.
Speaker 2: Up, so true? Could be that I think I'm so
Speaker 2: used to now, like it's so easy to forget the past.
Speaker 2: That could never happen now. Surely No, in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: I also think media was really different than if we're
Speaker 3: talking she was sixteen, was like twenty years ago. That's
Speaker 3: tabloid culture. You're physically opening up Women's Day New idea,
Speaker 3: getting the hot goss. And if she's not, if she
Speaker 3: wasn't their demographic, that might not have been spoken about.
Speaker 3: It might not have been hot news. I feel like
Speaker 3: Angelina and Joel Lee was popular then, and Sarah Jessica Parker,
Speaker 3: So maybe it wasn't highlighted because they weren't mainstream in
Speaker 3: the way they are now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, facts, Well, apparently Nicole Richie stole Joel Madden off
Speaker 2: Hillary Duff nice, and apparently Paris Hilton sabotaged Haley Duff's
Speaker 2: pop career. How it was a war, an eagirl war.
Speaker 2: Do you not remember that Hillary Duff and Hailey Duff
Speaker 2: versus Paris Hilton. After Hillary Duff dated Aaron Carter, she
Speaker 2: dumped him and went for Joel Madden for her like
Speaker 2: scene boy face. They dated four years from the time
Speaker 2: she was sixteen to twenty, but then he started dating
Speaker 2: Nicole Richie a month later. And then Hillary threw shade
Speaker 2: via her album Dignity, which is just her sing about
Speaker 2: Paris Nicole and Lindsay. This is what she wrote in
Speaker 2: her song Where's your Dignity? I think you lost it
Speaker 2: in the Hollywood Hills. Can't buy respect. You can pick
Speaker 2: up that bill always, mister Wright. But then you have
Speaker 2: a fight. Run into your friend's ex. He's happy to
Speaker 2: be your next Tomorrow's paper coming out, So kiss him fast.
Speaker 2: Watch the cameras flash Hillary a poet.
Speaker 3: I would love to know how that sounded in a
Speaker 3: song that felt like a hiku. We're really giving all
Speaker 3: ways splitting the bill?
Speaker 2: What lamb poetry?
Speaker 3: Hillary doves a little Bari are always happy to date
Speaker 3: your friends. What is the thing with Haley and Paris?
Speaker 3: You can't start these things and then give me a doll?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Hailey and Paris Hilton. Somehow she was
Speaker 2: in it. Basically, Paris and Haley both recorded the same song.
Speaker 2: Screwed the pair release that they both recorded the song,
Speaker 2: but before it could be sorted out, Paris's version of
Speaker 2: mysteriously leaked It's much be Haley's debut single. Pretty incredible stuff, right,
Speaker 2: This is Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 3: Have you or have you not heard Drake's new album? Yes?
Speaker 3: Are you a fan?
Speaker 2: A Drake fan?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, No, No, I'm a big fan. It just gives
Speaker 2: me to grassy. I can't get past it.
Speaker 3: I don't think I really knew him in that in
Speaker 3: that vein, but in terms of the music, I would
Speaker 3: say that I am a Drake fan. I didn't know
Speaker 3: that I was one until I recognize that people don't
Speaker 3: just listen to his albums back to back to back
Speaker 3: to back to back, And I think I do get
Speaker 3: a bit defensive when people don't like the music, because
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's there not to like? He just makes
Speaker 3: hits all the time for every genre, every single one,
Speaker 3: every single song colonizes, steals from done.
Speaker 2: It all sounds the same, and this is I.
Speaker 3: Think that's what I like about it, though, I feel
Speaker 3: I understand the value of reinventing the wheel and having
Speaker 3: every new album be a new era. So it's really
Speaker 3: exciting for listeners. But I also think with how quickly
Speaker 3: trends move in every industry, music especially, it's really frustrating
Speaker 3: when you're like, I just want more of the same,
Speaker 3: Like I wish that album was twice as long. Give
Speaker 3: me the songs you didn't publish before. I want those.
Speaker 3: But this one, in particular, came out of nowhere, a
Speaker 3: surprise drop, which doesn't happen a lot in music. There
Speaker 3: was a portion of time where people like, we're releasing
Speaker 3: one at midnight, but suddenly one fateful night, everyone's like,
Speaker 3: new Drake coming out midnight. We weren't prepared. We weren't prepared.
Speaker 3: Why did he do that? Rumor has it he did
Speaker 3: not want to compete with the Storm of Beyond, say,
Speaker 3: because Beyonce just started her album promo. She did her
Speaker 3: Vogue front cover and like eight page spread, which was
Speaker 3: just phenomenal. If he did not drop before her album,
Speaker 3: he would have got lost in the source. And he's
Speaker 3: already done that once before with Kanye. It's just not
Speaker 3: and J Cole it's not worth it anyway. The album's
Speaker 3: called Honestly never Mind genius like amazing, why are you excited?
Speaker 3: I just love it. Album's called Honestly never Mind. And
Speaker 3: the reception people are saying it's mid TikTok. Mostly they're
Speaker 3: saying it's mid It's not good. They don't understand it,
Speaker 3: they don't like it, it's rushed, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I don't want to like confirm nor deny because I
Speaker 3: have this thing about new music as someone who used
Speaker 3: to DJ and semi retired now but after eight years
Speaker 3: you can do that is that you need to sit
Speaker 3: with an album, especially if it's an artist you like.
Speaker 3: You need to sit with an album for five listens,
Speaker 3: back to front, around and around.
Speaker 2: And around in the way they intended.
Speaker 3: I don't really mind. I don't really care about that,
Speaker 3: but you need to have listened to the whole every
Speaker 3: song five times because the first time I know that
Speaker 3: we rush to form opinions really quickly. You want to
Speaker 3: pick your favorites, top three, show away, it's not worth
Speaker 3: it because you don't know how they sonically sit. And
Speaker 3: I also think that a lot of music requires context,
Speaker 3: like you need to be listening to it as you're
Speaker 3: getting ready, as you're going out, as you're going for
Speaker 3: a walk, as you're winding down, which means you need time.
Speaker 3: Five listens could take you three weeks. You know it
Speaker 3: could take you three months, but you need to do it.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you go on the internet and you publish half
Speaker 3: baked thoughts that really do impact the results of people's
Speaker 3: listening negatively. When I saw Jack Carlow's album Got two
Speaker 3: point nine and pitchforkcaus, I don't worry about it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't need to listen. I'm all good, and it
Speaker 3: could be I could have liked it, but I didn't listen.
Speaker 3: I feel very sensitive for musicians because I think they're
Speaker 3: so unappreciated for what they can create. There are only
Speaker 3: so many bloody instruments you can use, so many cores,
Speaker 3: you can use, so many variations and formations of Li
Speaker 3: and whatever that it is so hard to make a song,
Speaker 3: let alone a hit, let alone having a career of
Speaker 3: hits where all you've done is have back to back
Speaker 3: number ones. It's hard to outdo yourself when you've already
Speaker 3: done the best, incredible, you know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 3: be easy on these artists still roast, but like, let's
Speaker 3: let it simmer for.
Speaker 2: A bit, simmer, then turn the doll right up, crank
Speaker 2: it like make it hurt frogs in the boiling.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and Frooms on kDa.
Speaker 3: A couple of days ago, I told you about this
Speaker 3: trend on TikTok. It's called He's a ten, but she's
Speaker 3: a ten. But if you're familiar with the app, you
Speaker 3: might have seen it. If not, it's basically listing out
Speaker 3: a quality in a person that will give them more
Speaker 3: points in the rating system or dock points. So for example,
Speaker 3: he is a two, but he loves Drake.
Speaker 2: She is a ten, but she has a twilight chatto.
Speaker 3: That's a queen, right though, that's a queen anyway. So
Speaker 3: the best thing about this trend is what I think
Speaker 3: is a lack of nuance, is the fact that if
Speaker 3: I don't know what your standards are, then I don't
Speaker 3: know why you've docked points as much as you have
Speaker 3: or why you've raised points. For example, if I said
Speaker 3: he is a ten, but he's an atheist, and then
Speaker 3: I said he's a seven, you'd be like why, And
Speaker 3: that's what I want to get into. We won't today,
Speaker 3: but whatever. So there was this genius guy on TikTok
Speaker 3: who took all the data from the most popular versions
Speaker 3: of that trend and put it into a spreadsheet to
Speaker 3: teach us how we can increase our perceived attractiveness based
Speaker 3: on these really silly attributes. Do you want to listen?
Speaker 6: Yes, I've got everything here in a Google sheet positives, negatives,
Speaker 6: and neutrals, also a chart. So let me tell you
Speaker 6: what I've learned. If you get a job as a lifeguard,
Speaker 6: put on some cologne and walk on the outside of
Speaker 6: the sidewalk, you could start out at a half point,
Speaker 6: be a literal muppet and move up to Chris Hemsworth.
Speaker 6: Or if you're an average guy, you can just buy
Speaker 6: a boat, grow a mustache, and clap at the end
Speaker 6: of top gun and you're up there with Timothy schueblagoot.
Speaker 6: Now for the bad news, there are things you need
Speaker 6: to work on. Definitely believe in birds. The only height
Speaker 6: we can be really sure about is six ' four
Speaker 6: and that gets you nothing. For all my croc dudes
Speaker 6: out there, you're either at a minus half or minus three,
Speaker 6: So just make sure they're pretty cool. There's a lot
Speaker 6: more ways to go wrong than to go right, So
Speaker 6: I guess just like, don't be lame and growma stash.
Speaker 3: So basically, what he's saying is that number one, all
Speaker 3: the things that people claimed were attractive or made them
Speaker 3: more attractive are just as silly as the things that
Speaker 3: make people unattractive. For example, if somebody is quote unquote
Speaker 3: nice to servers, that can take them from a five
Speaker 3: to a seven. If somebody smells good, that can take
Speaker 3: them from a two to a five. If somebody is
Speaker 3: a lifeguard, that can take them up four point five rankings.
Speaker 3: You can go from a five to a nine and
Speaker 3: a half because you're a lifeguard.
Speaker 2: What to pay that?
Speaker 3: And if you have like a mustache, then you can
Speaker 3: go up one point. But this is for the bad things.
Speaker 3: Long nose hair can take you down half a point.
Speaker 3: He thinks he's a good cook. When he's mediocre, can
Speaker 3: take you down one for that's a big one. If
Speaker 3: he drives slow down two points. If he's skinny, down
Speaker 3: two points, if he has long fingernails, down three points.
Speaker 3: If he loves crocs, down three points. If he's a
Speaker 3: mama's boy. Neutral, if he's six, if he's six foot four, neutral,
Speaker 3: So either way, And I guess people weren't intending to
Speaker 3: take this trend seriously. It's meant to be facetious, it's
Speaker 3: meant to be silly. But I think that is the point.
Speaker 3: That is also the issue, like all of these things
Speaker 3: that we think aren't actually impacting our ability to see
Speaker 3: people as like vible partners are. Because if the first
Speaker 3: thing that comes to mind is like he's a ten
Speaker 3: but he cries during rom Coms seven, that's the top
Speaker 3: of your brain. That's what you conjured up off off
Speaker 3: the cuss, not like she's a seven but she hates children,
Speaker 3: or he's a ten but he's a misogynist, or he.
Speaker 2: Is they're less fun though, aren't they?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But the thing is, it's not even about fun or
Speaker 3: not fun, because this trend didn't start out fun. This
Speaker 3: trend started out with someone making a pros and cons
Speaker 3: lest about someone that were dating who was like really terrible,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of like a play on, like you'll
Speaker 3: let someone do the worst things and still not dump them,
Speaker 3: Like these am I the assholes we read? He's amazing,
Speaker 3: but like he's really mean to me and he hates
Speaker 3: with my friend and he thinks all my art is
Speaker 3: really ugly. But like he's a really nice guy. No, no,
Speaker 3: he's a two. He's a two anyway, And the rating
Speaker 3: system is floored because literally everyone be like, I'm like
Speaker 3: a six or seven? Well, how can we all be sick?
Speaker 2: Seven?
Speaker 3: Okay, simply doesn't work.
Speaker 5: That be real.
Speaker 2: Everyone is beautiful, remember fix, I don't agree.
Speaker 3: Do you really think that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Flex and frooms.
Speaker 2: Last weekend, my best friend was over for dinner. I
Speaker 2: made past the Ela vodka. Of course, yem me a
Speaker 2: little bit of garlic bread on the side.
Speaker 3: Homemade garlic bread or still bought, yeah, homemade. Nice.
Speaker 2: She's in a new relationship. She's been with her boyfriend
Speaker 2: for about three months.
Speaker 3: Official for three months. They've known each other.
Speaker 2: For three months, but like it's proper. They're very comfortable together.
Speaker 2: And she was telling me a story about how comfortable
Speaker 2: they've become.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't want to hear.
Speaker 2: It, and she's told me a bit of a dilemma.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna call her hello, honey. So we're just
Speaker 2: on the radio. Was just telling Flexi about how you
Speaker 2: and your partner have.
Speaker 3: She's flexy.
Speaker 2: You can go like Flexi too, how you two have
Speaker 2: been dating for like three months and how comfortable you are.
Speaker 2: And I guess I just wanted you to tell us
Speaker 2: the story of how that comfort came to be, what happened,
Speaker 2: and what is now the result.
Speaker 5: So usually I'm actually.
Speaker 4: Usually weird about bodily fluids with friends. I'm very like
Speaker 4: private in this kind of thing, and then when I
Speaker 4: get into a relationship, it's like all hold bar, all
Speaker 4: holds bar except for farting. So we didn't really have
Speaker 4: the conversation. It was just he would fight a lot.
Speaker 3: I never would.
Speaker 4: I would have to go into the other room to
Speaker 4: fart or which makes you.
Speaker 3: Sound like a child. I support that. I'm down with that, but.
Speaker 4: Or go into someone else's room far or far when
Speaker 4: he was asleep, or like farm in the shower.
Speaker 5: Just that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: And then we were so transparent and open about every
Speaker 4: other bodily fluid, like we you know, spiting each other's mouths,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. So when it came to fighting, he was,
Speaker 4: I just just do it like it's.
Speaker 5: Fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3: So eventually I started doing it.
Speaker 4: I've done it like, I did it like two times.
Speaker 4: And then on Friday, I said, I came home a
Speaker 4: bit drunk. He had stayed home because he wasn't feeling
Speaker 4: very well, and I was like, I really have to fight.
Speaker 4: He's like, okay, whatever. I fired, and he.
Speaker 5: Ran to the bathroom and threw up, wait, you are
Speaker 5: all want.
Speaker 3: I said, there's nothing good comes from it.
Speaker 5: I know, and usually I do more embarrassed, but like
Speaker 5: it's actually it was the most dramatic homent you've ever
Speaker 5: had in your life. He lives by himself, and so
Speaker 5: he ran to his bathroom and it was like it
Speaker 5: was like he just drank a lead of water and had.
Speaker 2: Come out of the week, like putting a bit of
Speaker 2: a scream behind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like korin like a like a kettle into
Speaker 4: the toilet bowl.
Speaker 3: So how did it end up?
Speaker 2: Have you made an allegiance not to fight in front
Speaker 2: of each other. Absolutely not.
Speaker 5: I'm proud of it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm now.
Speaker 4: It's more of like a one up in each other moment.
Speaker 3: That's why I did want to do.
Speaker 4: It, because like I've just gone vegetarian, I'm making my
Speaker 4: way through all the legumes and works for me and califlywering.
Speaker 2: It this beautiful humoric on the top it's doing. Now
Speaker 2: he's done that.
Speaker 5: What have I got to be embarrassed about?
Speaker 2: Now to the wall, Well, thank you sent him my
Speaker 2: love and I hope did he gets well soon?
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 2: This has been humiliating in an equal measure.
Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing. Bye bye. I love her.
Speaker 2: Fart to vomit pipeline shorter than you might imagine.
Speaker 3: I make sure people aren't comfortable to fight in front
Speaker 3: of me, so we'll never have to do that exchange.
Speaker 3: My issue is not opening the floodgates and being comfortable.
Speaker 3: It's the fact that once comfort is established, it's it's
Speaker 3: a lawless place. There's no boundaries once we've gone full fart,
Speaker 3: So I'm like, don't do it around me. Yes, tighten
Speaker 3: up those in the boundary early, close that sphincter.
Speaker 1: There you go, and frooms.
Speaker 2: I found this TikTok. The caption is Toddler's kind of sleigh.
Speaker 2: This is from a guy called Mike's Dot Mike.
Speaker 3: Oh, we love Mike's Mike.
Speaker 7: I've just come to the realization that Toddler's slayed three concepts.
Speaker 7: First one is the iPad child esthetic. Like, as a
Speaker 7: recent iPad purchaser myself, Yeah, I'm gonna whip out my iPad,
Speaker 7: watch a little video and eat a little snack together. Like,
Speaker 7: I get the appeal. That were kind of right for
Speaker 7: that second thing that brings me on at the second
Speaker 7: thing talking about food, A little puree, a little snack
Speaker 7: to go at any time. That's a little bit fantastic.
Speaker 7: I might just chuck a cheese stick in the tote
Speaker 7: on my way out to the market. You can't stop me.
Speaker 7: Third thing, they're continuously asking why all this is a
Speaker 7: thought exercise? Right? What am I doing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: I'm scrolling on Instagram? Why because I have time and
Speaker 7: it's free? Why why it's Instagram free? Someone has to
Speaker 7: be paying for it? Oh wait, Instagram selling my data.
Speaker 3: Genius genies. Toddlers are the original critical thinkers, and they
Speaker 3: also understand how to maintain a lust for life a
Speaker 3: bit of a snack bit of entertainment, ask questions.
Speaker 2: Your bomb is real soft when you're young, it's soft.
Speaker 2: Now I touch my bum and I just want to
Speaker 2: know if anyone else gets oh the.
Speaker 3: First Yeah, it needs a demoplane. What bum hair?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, not bum hair. So you got my
Speaker 2: bum cheeks? And then I have quite a small flat
Speaker 2: ass and there's like a little flat ridge.
Speaker 3: Anyone else got that.
Speaker 2: Which bum cheeks? And there's like a little flat ridge
Speaker 2: at the bottom, at the top, at the bottom. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's not soft, whereas I'm sure there was a time
Speaker 2: in my life where that little ridge.
Speaker 3: I am trying my hardest pitch of the ridge.
Speaker 1: I cannot This is flex and froomes on Kita.
Speaker 3: We've been talking about this TikTok trend called he's a
Speaker 3: ten butt or she's a ten. But basically, you list
Speaker 3: out an attribute or a characteristic that someone could have
Speaker 3: that could either increase their level of attractiveness or decrease
Speaker 3: it to you, to you, it's all personal. So she's
Speaker 3: a seven, but she wears crucs to work eleven thirteen.
Speaker 3: She is a ten but she always nags you or one, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 2: I cannot deal with a with a constant.
Speaker 3: Naggerna, and you've got to balance it out, like you've
Speaker 3: got to be as sweet as you are salty. Otherwise
Speaker 3: it's just mean. But as with all good things, it
Speaker 3: comes to a point where it stopped being funny and
Speaker 3: then people start doing critical analysis. I think something could
Speaker 3: just be left alone.
Speaker 2: You know, there's always a point, and there's always a point,
Speaker 2: like it's TikTok that has made us like this.
Speaker 3: You think, yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. But for
Speaker 3: this trend in particular, the issue is people are saying
Speaker 3: that is this encouraging objectification in the wrong way, Like,
Speaker 3: aren't we passed this? Can't we see people for more
Speaker 3: than their you know, arbitrary physical attributes. Should we really
Speaker 3: be viewing people as less than for things that don't
Speaker 3: actually matter in the grand scheme of things? Did I say?
Speaker 3: Of course? Okay, if you're going to attach yourself to
Speaker 3: someone for the rest of your life, you can be picking. Okay,
Speaker 3: you can think the things you want to think. I
Speaker 3: feel like having this overwhelming, overarching let's be neutral about
Speaker 3: all things because everybody is amazing is not helpful for
Speaker 3: the world we're living in. It really isn't. If someone
Speaker 3: says she's a ten but she doesn't have a job,
Speaker 3: and you say she's a five, let that be that
Speaker 3: person's reality before we're like no, like it's okay to
Speaker 3: be unemployed and blah blah. Let's not paint everything with
Speaker 3: the same brushstroke if we don't have to. Right, But
Speaker 3: people are saying the issue with this trend in particular
Speaker 3: is that not everybody is smart enough to see that
Speaker 3: it is a funny trend.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Somebody might see that and say I am now perceived
Speaker 3: to be less attractive because of something silly or serious
Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. But that we are effectively
Speaker 3: traumatizing group of people or making them more insecure about
Speaker 3: things they didn't need to feel bad about to begin with,
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: I really don't like it when people say, oh, but
Speaker 2: there's people who don't get it, Like there's people that
Speaker 2: going to take this literally, shut up, Oh, don't be
Speaker 2: so condescending. People come on the internet and pick things
Speaker 2: apart saying some people aren't going to get this. It's
Speaker 2: going to go over their head, Like, how dare you
Speaker 2: be so condescending A to me? Say it's me this
Speaker 2: scenario nic, but b to the people that are consuming it,
Speaker 2: that are the audience, how patronizing. I've never understood that.
Speaker 3: I feel that too.
Speaker 2: How do you think that your level of comprehension, oh,
Speaker 2: is higher than the plethora of other supporters who would
Speaker 2: never have a word to say?
Speaker 3: Like one hundred percent? I love when through me gets
Speaker 3: fired up. Get them, let them know they're wrong. The
Speaker 3: point you made about people feeling as though every kind
Speaker 3: of joke or facetious comment needs to be over explained
Speaker 3: or disclaimed because you're inevertently offending someone is really annoying
Speaker 3: as well, because aside from being patronizing condescending, it's also
Speaker 3: infantilizing audiences. Every time I talk about something that is
Speaker 3: considered like smart or deep or something or that, I'm
Speaker 3: not explaining every single bit before somebody gets it. People
Speaker 3: will be like, you know, there are children here on
Speaker 3: your audience, don't talk about that. I'm like, I've seen
Speaker 3: my analytics, babe. The predominant audience here is twenty five
Speaker 3: and up. If you're a dummy, just say that, okay,
Speaker 3: believe me out for this trend in particular, you know
Speaker 3: how I said a couple I don't know it's months
Speaker 3: ago on Instagram, but I was, like, some people think
Speaker 3: feminism is believing that women can't be ugly, And that
Speaker 3: is my issue with where these discussions end up going.
Speaker 3: You take a trend that is meant to be just
Speaker 3: so brain dead, and you apply all this extra meaning
Speaker 3: to it to give it meaning that wasn't there to
Speaker 3: begin with. What this trend is showing is the reality
Speaker 3: of what dating is.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 3: It's these silly things that turn someone from eligible to ineligible.
Speaker 2: Right, Because for example, one of them is but he
Speaker 2: smells bad when you actually dig deeper. That is more
Speaker 2: than just a silly thing, Like it suggests that they
Speaker 2: have poor hihicheckingtos, is not it? The man has funy
Speaker 2: and smelling little webbed toes.
Speaker 3: It's giving two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the whole thing of it, if you
Speaker 2: are to analyze it, is that it's indicative of bigger
Speaker 2: things that people don't like about others. It's basically this
Speaker 2: is just like reverse red flags. Yeah, and like dating
Speaker 2: is superficial.
Speaker 3: If people dated more aspirationally, right, they really thought about
Speaker 3: their morals and their values or whatever that would have
Speaker 3: come up in the trent. But people said he has
Speaker 3: long fingernails, she cries when she's mad. He double texts,
Speaker 3: she doesn't have close friends. Whatever this is. These are
Speaker 3: things that are important to people, more important than the
Speaker 3: things that we feel are the right things to be
Speaker 3: mindful of. Like nobody said he's a ten but he's
Speaker 3: conservative because they weren't thinking about that. It wasn't the priority.
Speaker 2: Part of that is that, because it's an imaginary game,
Speaker 2: you're just popping up and thinking of someone in the
Speaker 2: top of your head. Whereas if you were actually dating
Speaker 2: someone that did have long fingernails, of course you can
Speaker 2: look past it. You're not gonna take points off me.
Speaker 3: You look at me in the eye and say you
Speaker 3: won't do it. You won't do it. I would? You would?
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