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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Thursday. Today is the thirtieth

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Speaker 1: of September, last day of the month, and we have

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Speaker 1: a jam Pack show. Later on we'll be talking to

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Speaker 1: Matt Kean, the New South Wales Minister for the Environment

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Speaker 1: and Energy, and before that we will just tick off

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Speaker 1: the day's news for COVID numbers, it wasn't good news

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Speaker 1: for Victoria, with the state recording nine hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: new cases and seven deaths. In New South Wales there

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Speaker 1: were less cases eight hundred and sixty three, with a

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Speaker 1: record fifteen deaths reported. In the Act, there were again

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Speaker 1: twenty two new cases.

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Speaker 2: We found out yesterday that Victoria's Department of Health has

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Speaker 2: been charged by work Safe, the health and safety watchdog,

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Speaker 2: over fifty eight breaches of the Occupational Health and Safety

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Speaker 2: Act in relation to the state's hotel quarantine program. The

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Speaker 2: mistakes led to the state's second wave of COVID nineteen

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Speaker 2: last year, which resulted in eight hundred and one virus

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Speaker 2: related deaths.

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Speaker 1: There's news of another lockdown, with the New South Wales

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Speaker 1: LGA of Oberon entering a seven day lockdown last night.

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Speaker 1: This stay at home order will apply to anyone who's

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Speaker 1: been in the over on LGA. Since the twentieth of September.

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Speaker 2: US news giant CNN has disabled its Australian Facebook pages

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Speaker 2: after the High Court ruled that media companies are legally

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Speaker 2: liable for defamatory comments made by third parties on their pages.

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Speaker 2: This is an important story to get your head around.

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Speaker 2: We've covered this in a number of Instagram posts and

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Speaker 2: podcast episodes. In short, it's about media companies being liable

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Speaker 2: for their comments. Section CNN said they are disappointed that

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Speaker 2: Facebook once again has failed to ensure its platform is

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Speaker 2: a place for credible journalism.

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Speaker 1: And today's good news. The Danetree Rainforest, which is one

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Speaker 1: of the world's oldest tropical rainforests, was handed back to

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Speaker 1: its traditional owners yesterday. It'll be jointly managed by the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Koku Yolanji people and the Queensland Parks and Wildlife Services.

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Speaker 3: Hi guys, my name's Billy. I am the political journalist

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Speaker 3: the Daily Os. Yesterday we heard that the New South

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Speaker 3: Wales government has committed to a new climate target of

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Speaker 3: reducing New South Wales emissions by fifty percent by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 3: It was a decision supported by both the Liberals and

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Speaker 3: the Nationals to find out more, I spoke to New

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Speaker 3: South Wales Minister for Energy and Environment Matt Kean. It

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Speaker 3: was really fascinating to hear his perspective on whether the

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Speaker 3: federal government should commit to a net zero target by

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Speaker 3: twenty fifty and also whether or not Scott Morrison should

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Speaker 3: go to Glasgow. Here is our chat Matt Kean, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for joining the Daily.

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Speaker 4: Os Billy, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday's announcement is a lift from the New South Wales

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Speaker 3: government's previous target of thirty five percent. Why did the

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Speaker 3: Nationals agree to this target now and did it take

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Speaker 3: a lot of convincing Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think that taking action on climate change means also taking

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Speaker 4: action to protect and grow our economy, and that's exactly

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Speaker 4: why they's got on board. I mean, the policies that

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Speaker 4: we're put in place are desired to create jobs, to

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Speaker 4: lower cost of living pressures, to drive investment into the

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Speaker 4: state and to grow our economies. So that's exactly what

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Speaker 4: Coalition government should be doing. So it doesn't matter whether

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Speaker 4: you live in the city or the bush. Taking action

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Speaker 4: on climate change good for our economy and will benefit everyone.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the economy one of the most common rebuttals

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Speaker 3: we hear from the other side of the climate debate

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Speaker 3: is the economic argument. How will this decision impart the economy?

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Speaker 4: Well, I finally annoyedies voices opposing action on climate change

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Speaker 4: a vested interests who currently benefit from alluding industries. That's

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Speaker 4: not what we want to see. We need to be

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Speaker 4: making decisions based on the community interests, not vested interests.

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Speaker 4: So I think that the community will benefit from seeing

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Speaker 4: cheaper electricity bills. They'll see new jobs, new industries being created.

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Speaker 4: They'll see a mining boom in New South Wales and

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Speaker 4: indeed across the country like we've never seen before. I

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Speaker 4: mean right now in New South Wales Hyre. Percent of

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Speaker 4: the lithium used to build the batteries for Tesla cars

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Speaker 4: comes from Australia and it's electric vehicles scale right art.

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Speaker 4: That means that there are huge opportunities for our mining industry.

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Speaker 4: So you know, by taking action on climate change, this

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Speaker 4: will lead to an economic boom for Australia and not

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Speaker 4: hurt our country. In fact, what will hurt our country

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Speaker 4: is not taking action, because we'll be left behind.

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Speaker 3: Talking from that national perspective, the federal government's climate policy

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Speaker 3: is much lower, with a twenty six to twenty eight

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Speaker 4: It's definitely not ambitious enough. We need to be doing

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Speaker 4: a lot better. I mean, we need to be working

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Speaker 4: in line with our closest allies and tradeing departments, countries

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Speaker 4: like Japan, the United States and Europe, who have far

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Speaker 4: more ambitious targets. In addition to that, all the states

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Speaker 4: and territories have far more ambitious targets. So I want

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Speaker 4: to encourage Scott Morrison and the federal governments to be

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Speaker 4: bold and brave because it's in our economic interest producer.

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Speaker 4: There's no one on the planet that will have more

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Speaker 4: to gain from taking action on climate change than Australia.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as the world's economy changes and moves to decarbonize,

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Speaker 4: we've got some of the best renewable resources any on

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Speaker 4: renewable resources, we can create the products that the world

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Speaker 4: is going to need to help them decarbonize as well,

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Speaker 4: things like green steel, green aluminium, hydrogen and the pressures

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Speaker 4: serfs that I talked about in order to build batteries

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Speaker 4: and electric vehicles, so that means an economic boom for Australia,

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Speaker 4: and I think we owe it to our kids to

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Speaker 4: take advantage of the biggest economic opportunity that we've ever

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Speaker 4: seen in our lifetimes, but do so in a way

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Speaker 4: that is going to protect our planet from more bush fires,

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Speaker 4: longer droughts, and more extreme weather events. So this makes

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Speaker 4: sense from an environmental perspective, but it also makes sense

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Speaker 4: from an economic perspective, and that's why we're putting in

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Speaker 4: place with those policies that will take strong action on

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Speaker 3: With's Glasgow coming up, there's obviously been a lot of

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Speaker 3: discussion in federal politics about whether Australia will commit to

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Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty. Yesterday's decision is an example

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Speaker 3: of the coalition cooperating to achieve this really important outcome.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this can be emulated at the

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Speaker 3: federal level.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we provided the template for the federal

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Speaker 4: government on how you can take action on climate change

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Speaker 4: and still grow our economy. I mean committee to net

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Speaker 4: zero is good for Australia. We know that global investors

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Speaker 4: are deciding where to make investments based on the climate

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Speaker 4: action being taken because climate risk is financial risk. So

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know these people who don't want to

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Speaker 4: take action, that want to keep doing businesses usual. Forget

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Speaker 4: that Kodak was one the most profitable business in the world,

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Speaker 4: or one of the most profitable businesses in the world.

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Speaker 4: They refuse to go digital and by twenty twelve they

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Speaker 4: were filing bankruptcy. So we don't want to see that

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Speaker 4: happen to Australia. We want to see Australia move with

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Speaker 4: the times, move in line with these trends and get

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Speaker 4: ahead of the curve because there are huge economic advantagres

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Speaker 4: in doing so, just as there are huge economic risks

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Speaker 4: in not doing taking action and being left behind.

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Speaker 3: You obviously see the importance of climate action. Do you

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Speaker 3: think Prime Minister Scott Morrison should be going to the

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Speaker 3: Glasgow conference considering how important this is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, the Prime Minister should certainly be representing our

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Speaker 4: nation at one of the most important global conferences that

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Speaker 4: we've seen in decades. We know that the leaders of

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Speaker 4: our closest friends and allies internationally are going, People like

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Speaker 4: Boris Johnson and Joe Biden will be turning up representing

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Speaker 4: the interests of their countries. We can't afford not to

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Speaker 4: be at the table in advocating and advocating for Australia's

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Speaker 4: position on this important issue because it will affect the

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Speaker 4: type of environment that we're going to live in. It

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Speaker 4: will determine whether we have longer, hotter summers, more extreme

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Speaker 4: weather events, deeper droughts and more catastrophic bush buys. But

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Speaker 4: it will also are determined whether or not we're able

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Speaker 4: to have a stronger and more prosperous economy for everyone

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Speaker 4: to benefit from. And I think that we should please

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Speaker 4: the moment, grab the opportunities and turbocharge our economy, leaving

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Speaker 4: it better for everyone across the.

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Speaker 3: Country climate change. After vis Greta Tonberg said yesterday that

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Speaker 3: our leaders are full of empty promises but do not

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Speaker 3: lead to action. What is your message to young people

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Speaker 3: who feel really discouraged by climate change?

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Speaker 4: Well, my message to young people is now is the

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Speaker 4: time to speak up and make your voice heard. If

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Speaker 4: you care about protecting our planet and growing a stronger economy,

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Speaker 4: that we need to take action on climate change, and

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Speaker 4: it needs young people to speak out and stand up.

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Speaker 4: We are not about making empty promises here in New

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Speaker 4: South Wales, We're put in place in the policies that

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Speaker 4: will actually deliver on those promises, and I'd encourage young

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Speaker 4: people to get involved in the political process, to support

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Speaker 4: candidates that share your vision, to make decisions about who

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Speaker 4: you bank with, or who you take a loan with,

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Speaker 4: or who you shop with based on their willingness to

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Speaker 4: take action on climate change. Every single decision that people

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Speaker 4: make can impact on whether or not we get to

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Speaker 4: net zero and protect our planet. So young people do

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Speaker 4: have a voice. They are able to make choices that

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Speaker 4: are in the interest of our planet, and I encouraged

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Speaker 4: them to do so.

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Speaker 3: Matt Keene, thank you so much for your time. We

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Billy, it's so good to chat. Thanks for having me