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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time. Now, first of how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, there was one vehicle stolen overnight. Police drone

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Speaker 1: They as I understand, at age fourteen, fifteen and fifteen, correct,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that absolutely is. The drone works in coordination with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So it can tell exactly what those drivers

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Speaker 1: Now I want to ask as well, I know that

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Speaker 3: Have you got all the police that.

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Speaker 1: You need to at this point to make sure that

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not just all those units that we were

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Speaker 2: it's not just those units that we were discussing, it's

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Speaker 1: Have you had to bring in offices from other locations.

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Speaker 1: I know that it had been reported. I believe that

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Speaker 2: So Santa Theresa that had nothing to do with bringing

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Speaker 2: At present, we've got no external resources in Operation draina

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Speaker 1: And so has it meant that some of those officers

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Speaker 2: So we go through a gazetted leaf process every year

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Speaker 2: You're on the plan. If you need leave, talk to us,

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Speaker 2: and why have a look at it.

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Speaker 3: Commander before I'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: I know that there are plenty of people that do

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Speaker 1: listen to the show in Alice. What is your message

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Speaker 2: Sure, look the incidents that we've had so far, as

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Speaker 2: What I will say to people who are going away,

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Speaker 2: we do see sort of seasonal workforce people shifting out

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Speaker 2: at the resources available through Neighborhood Watch NT. You can

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Speaker 2: tell us that you're going away through the Neighborhood Watch NT.

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Speaker 2: You can do your own home security assessment through Neighborhood

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Speaker 2: Watch if you need a guide on how best to

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Speaker 2: even before you have any issues. After you've done all that,

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Speaker 1: Might sound a bit extreme, but I know that it's

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a range of things that you can do.

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Speaker 2: A lot of that advice is on the Neighborhood watch

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Speaker 2: through Victims of Crime will talk through about vehicle security.

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Speaker 2: But definitely if you can get your vehicle off the

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Speaker 1: Well. James gray Spence, the commander of the Southern Region,

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for having your chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.