1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week a'll interview 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the pod. This is a chat with the 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: wonderful actor Travis Jeffrey. So this is essentially his second 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: time on the pod, And if you listen to last 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: week's pod, we re release that episode and then this 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: episode was recorded very recently, all because he is in 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: the brand new film Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: He plays a Naiya, this cheeky, innocent but also quite 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: a little brave chimp, and we talked about everything that 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: went into being in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 16 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: from the audition process to getting the call when he 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: got the job and having this moment and having a 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: little tear, but then because it was all embargoed, having 19 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: to keep it secret for a while, to Ape school, 20 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: being trained by the iconic and wonderful Andy Circus. So 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: if you are into acting, writing, anything creative. This episode 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: is for you. We also talk about Dusty, which is 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: Trav's new project that he has written, starred in, and 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: produced and it's going really, really well. It's been up 25 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: at film festies and I am a lot. He's going 26 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: to send me links for you so you'll get to 27 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: see it all in the show notes as well, or 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: at least be links to the trailer in the show notes. 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Should I say so? If you're creative, I hope you 30 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: love this episode. Trav, thank you so much for jumping 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: on the pod again. I can't wait to have you 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: on in the future as well. I am over here 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: cheering you on. My friend, Travis Jeffrey. I want to 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: say welcome back to the pod because this is your 35 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: second time on. 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: It is happy to be back, mate. 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: I when I saw you were in La, I want 38 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: to say, about a month ago. 39 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, about a month ago, I think. Yeah. 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I felt like because I've been following you on Insta 41 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: and you were here for this incredible red carpet here 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: launch for the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: which you are a lead in. Yes, yeah, yeah, and 44 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: I was watching this all unfold on your insim the 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: first bit's like yeah, I mean la standing like out 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: the front of a big billboard. 47 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: Next minute, you're at the Chinese Theater for the premier yet, 49 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: which is like holy mackerel. I imagine as an actor, 50 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: like a huge pinch. 51 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: Me, like real tick off. Yeah, just a little one. 52 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: I was about to say, is that not a big one? 53 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: So okay, I didn't even know where to start. I'm 54 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: so excited to talk to you. Let's start there, Like, 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: was there a moment where you were like, oh my god, 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: I am standing on the red carpet at the Chinese 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Theater on Hollywood Boulevard, Like, was there this moment was 58 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: like out of body? How did you feel? 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: There's probably about ten thousand of those moments. I think 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: every step was a moment. It was very surreal. It 61 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: was amazing, you know, to have a premiere of a 62 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: film of that size at the Chinese Theater. It's just 63 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: you know, it's a huge driven come true and a 64 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: film that I'm very proud of. So I worked very 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: hard to stay present while doing the premiere because I 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: knew that I would. You know, these things are overwhelming, 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: you know, to be playing they're terrifying, you know, you've 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: got hundreds, so you've got hundreds of thousands of people 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: lining the barriers. We do it in Australia, but not 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: to the same level as over in LA which you know, 71 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: it's very very cool. And I knew it would be overwhelming. 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: And you've got all these cameras, you've got your chatting 73 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: the people, and so I I before I was like, 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: you know, just try and breathe, just try to take 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: it in because this is this is you know, it's 76 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: a big thing. And it wasn't absolutely surreal and absolutely incredible. 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: I for the listeners at home, because I live in 78 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, when there is a premiere on Hollywood Boulevard, 79 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: it literally is becomes gridlock. It's pretty much blocked off. 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: And I know for your premiere there were literally actors 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: in full dressed up like gyms on horses going down 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: Hollywood Bully Am I correct in spaying. 83 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: That, yes, they did chips on horses for the premiere. Yeah, 84 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: And it is just. 85 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: Like it feels like the theater becomes part of the 86 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: set and like it is larger than life. It feels like. 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: It is absolutely you know, they had a big proximous 88 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: heads the entrance way and it's lined with all this 89 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: greenery and the red carpet's kind of like a more maroney, 90 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: rusty kind of colored carpet. 91 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: They do that. 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a set design which is rich, 93 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: is really cool. You know, they make it kind of 94 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: an emmercy the experience as you're walking down the carpet, 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: so it's you know, sorry for anybody got stuck in traffic. 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 2: It's going to be not happy about. 97 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: This one, but it's okay, So can we go back? 98 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: So if you've if you've got this beautiful like pinch 99 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: me like market list moment, and you've been on this 100 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: pot before, you've had a few really epic career moments, 101 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: whether it be Priors of the Caribbean or Unbroken. But 102 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: like standing there on that red car but like, can 103 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: you take me back to one the audition process, like 104 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: getting that first that first round audition and being like okay, 105 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: like let's let's do this. How did the how did 106 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: your audition go? And I'm guessing you did it all 107 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: from Australia. 108 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I did it all all from Australia. It's 109 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's just been it's been an incredible experience. 110 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: From start to finish. But I guess where it all 111 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: sort of started. It was. It was really great, really 112 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: great timing. You know. It had been a kind of 113 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: a bumpy, sort of few years in Australia, you know, 114 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: with as is everywhere with COVID, and wasn't a lot 115 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: of work going on, and I was kind of doing 116 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: a job, you pay the bills, job that I really 117 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: didn't like. Wasn't great on my lower back. I wasn't 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: having a great great time. And then an audition for 119 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: Forbidden Zone came through, which is kind of They always, 120 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: you know, chuck a title on it that's not not 121 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: the actual time of the film, and it's always sort 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: of the same. It was the same with Unbroken, same 123 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: with Pirates of the Carabean. I look at this audition 124 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: and go, okay, you guys are having a laugh. That's 125 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's not attainable. This is you know, why 126 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: am I doing this? You know, but we always do. 127 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: We always you've got to have a crack. So I 128 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: put the audition down with my partner Enny. You know, 129 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: she always helps me read. You know, it's great to 130 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: have somebody who you're comfortable with, who you can have 131 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: fun with and I went into it going like okay, 132 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: well this isn't going to go anywhere, but let's have 133 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: as much fun as possible. You know. It was being 134 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: cast through the amazing Danny Long in Sydney and all 135 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: the briefing. You know, the brief thing was really really great. 136 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: You know, Debzay in the States was doing the casting. 137 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: It's really clear. I got the brief for a NYE 138 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, I know I know who 139 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: this this chimp is. Let us have as much fun 140 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: as we can with it. So I did the first 141 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: audition I think on a Friday, and then Danny called 142 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: me the next day on a Saturday, and she's like, hey, 143 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: I loved your audition. Let's I just want to have 144 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: a quick chat through a couple of things. Let's do 145 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: it again and then we'll get her off. So you know, 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: that was just from the beginning. It was already really 147 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: generous and really lovely and really supportive, you know, and 148 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: Denny always is. So I did the second one and 149 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: then I think on a Monday or Tuesday, I got 150 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: a call and my agent was like, okay, so Wes 151 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: Westbaul wants to have a chat on Thursday. Director, the 152 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: director who's you know, he's done a lot of amazing stuff. 153 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: He's done a Maze Runner and Amaze Run a trilogy, 154 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: and so she was like, he wants to have a 155 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: chat on Thursday, and I was say, oh, that's I 156 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: don't know what that means. You know, there was another 157 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: information and I was like, is this an audition? Is 158 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: this you know? What are we what are we doing? 159 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: So I jumped on a Thursday kind of ready for anything. 160 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if I'm doing the scenes, 161 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what's gone on, and jumped on and 162 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: he was like, Hey, Bud, what do you want to 163 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: talk about? And I was like, oh, I don't know, Wes, 164 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: what do you want to talk about? And he's like, oh, 165 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to see the storyboards. And 166 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I want to see the storyboards. 167 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: And he just you know, for an hour we just 168 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: chatted about, you know, his amazing vision for for Kingdom 169 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: of the Planet of the Apes, and you know, I'll 170 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 2: never forget this moment because it doesn't happen often. At 171 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: the end of it, he was like, look, but you know, 172 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: there's a there's a process which you know, means that 173 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: it will go off out of his hands to the 174 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: studio to you know, higher up. He's like, there's a process, 175 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: but we just wanted to let you know that you 176 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: did a really good job. And I was like, thank you. 177 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: That's you know, as actors and you know, you know, 178 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: you just sending these self tapes off into the voids 179 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: sometimes and you know, ninety five percent of the time 180 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: you never hear anything, so that really meant a lot. 181 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: And kind of from from there, it was just everything 182 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: was a cherry on top. You know. I was like, 183 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: I've done a good job. You know, they like my work, 184 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: And in my mind it was kind of like that's 185 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: that's where it's going to end. You know, it's going 186 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: to get to the this is going to happen, and 187 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: then you know, somewhere it's you know, we get used 188 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: used to not hearing those as actors. You know, you've 189 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: got to build up that sort of skin. But it 190 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: kept kind of going a little bit further. You know, 191 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: maybe a few weeks later, my agent was like, okay, 192 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: they've submitted you to the studio, and then you know, 193 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: and then it goes goes higher up and you get 194 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: closer and you get closer, and the closer you get 195 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: the more the more it hurts if you hear. I 196 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: was shooting something down in Victoria on a farm and 197 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: my agent called me and she's like, you've been approved. 198 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: There was about a month later, and you know, she 199 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: had a few tears in a paddock in the middle 200 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: of Victoria and started Ape Camp Ape School about six 201 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: weeks after that, so and then I just kept getting 202 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: better and better from there. 203 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I'm so glad you brought up ape School 204 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: or ape camp because I know you're wapper trained and 205 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: I know like you are an actor that loves physicality, 206 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: and I think. 207 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: What a gift to Yeah. 208 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: There's so many gifts from Ape School. I imagine from 209 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: like bonding with your like co actors as well, because 210 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: like I feel like film and TV feels quicker than theater, 211 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: but this would almost feel like theater because you've got 212 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: this six weeks of almost like yeah, rehearsing in a 213 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: sense or like feel like getting into the physical side 214 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: of things. So I'm so excited to be about the physics, 215 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: even just from like a center of gravity point of view, 216 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: it would feel very initially I imagine. 217 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: Foreign, Absolutely, Yeah, as you said, Ape School, Ape Camp 218 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: was an absolute gift as an actor, as a human being. 219 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: You know, I've always been a huge fan of movement. 220 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: When I was a drama school, my movement coach Lisa 221 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: Scott Murphy really kicked off that that love of movement. 222 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of movement stuff that maybe 223 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: people don't realize goes into acting. You know, there's a 224 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: lot of you know, you kind of look around and 225 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: you can kind of see animals in everybody, you know, 226 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: and people use that sometimes as a way to an 227 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: approach and a character like oh maybe maybe that person's 228 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: a bear or you know, a snake or but this 229 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: was literal out of work that we got to do, 230 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: which was you know, so it's kind of it's funny. 231 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: People always kind of ask you as an actor, what's 232 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: your dream job? And I've never really had one, you know, 233 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: because doing film and TV career, it's not written yet. 234 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: You know, you got like, well, my dream job's not 235 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: written yet because I've done it. But looking back, you know, 236 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes has really just ticked every box 237 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: and it was kind of the dream job that I 238 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: never knew, you know, well, I wanted to be in it. 239 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: But once I sort of got in there and saw everything, 240 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: it really was a dream job. So yeah, Ape School, 241 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: it was amazing just to build these characters, to have 242 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: that rehearsal, And she said, almost like theater. It's just 243 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: such a luxury in the film and TV industry. You know, 244 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: you get it in theater, but most Australian film and 245 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: TV sort of gigs your rock up. You might meet 246 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: you seen partner on the day, you make a one 247 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: day rehearsal. But to have six weeks to build characters together, 248 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: to just get into the intricacies of you know, the 249 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: eye movements and the head movements and the hands, you know, 250 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: and it was just it was just such a gift 251 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: and what the byproduct of it, which was amazing, And 252 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: I think there are such geniuses for doing this. Obviously 253 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: we needed to nail the chimps, you know, nail the movement, 254 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: but it just it brought us all so close together. 255 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: We all became such good friends. I think, you know, 256 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: a big part of it was how silly you feel 257 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: for the first week of just running around making chimp noises, 258 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: watching everybody dive into one hundred and fifty percent, you know, 259 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: which really got you to lift your game as well. 260 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: But it's a it's a vulnerable thing, you know, I'm 261 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: being an actor, you know, in front of people. It 262 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: is vulnerable enough. But doing something that we've never done 263 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: before outside just yeah, just getting that prime bal and 264 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: that sort of animalistic you know, really bonded everyone. And 265 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: Owen Tigue and Lydia Peckham, who I spend most of 266 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: the film with. They played the other team Team Chimps. 267 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: We just got so close. You know that they live 268 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: from New Zealand and from the States. So we were 269 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: hanging out and could she you know where I lived 270 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: in Sydney just shine them around and just to a guy. 271 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Is it true? Is it true that Andy Circus jumped 272 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: on our little zoom and was like, all right. 273 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: Guys, it is very true. Oh my god, the greatest 274 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: of all time. So that was just you know, I 275 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: could have retired happy there having a chat with Andy. 276 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Serkis well, people might know him listening as Golam, but 277 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: really Caesar. He's played Caesar, right, like in not one, 278 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: but two Planet of the Apes movies. 279 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: That right, Yeah, so he was the lead of the 280 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: last trilogy, so he really kind of knows that pioneered 281 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: and knows this this new sort of eraror of plant 282 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: of the Apes films. So to have his expertise and 283 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: to have his guidance and mentorship was just it just 284 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: kept getting better and better. I feel like, yeah, absolutely, 285 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: just kind of you know, every day something awesome happened. 286 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: But it was, it was amazing and just kind of 287 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: he's such a generous you know, such a generous guy. 288 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: You know. I think it was quite late at night 289 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: every time he jump on with us because at the 290 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: time difference, but he was just still as in it. 291 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: You know, he's just still as into it as when 292 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: he was shooting when he was playing Caesars. So it 293 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: was it was amazing and his advice was incredible. It's 294 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: such you know what going into this, what I've really 295 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: learned about these production is that it's just such a collaboration. 296 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: Every every production is a collaboration, you know, between the actors, 297 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: the director, lighting, sound, you know, everyone, make up, hair. 298 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: It's all such a collaboration. But this side really brings 299 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: in the technical kind of elements, so the guys that 300 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: were doing the special effects, the motion capture. But Andy 301 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: is he's just become a master at each side of it, 302 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: which is just really incredible. So he you know, he 303 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: sees that his performance is acting is just mind blowing. 304 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: You know, he's an incredible he's an incredible actor. But 305 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: then watching him, so they really took care of us 306 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: on on on plunder of the apes. You know, a 307 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: lot of us have never done motion capture before. 308 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: That was my next question, like what was that like? 309 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: And you've got spots on your face and yell stuck 310 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: to you. 311 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really I'll find some photos that I 312 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: can share share with you and then then we can 313 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: share them. So it's it's a whole new world of 314 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: sort of performance for me, and it kind of they 315 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: really they really looked after us in a way of 316 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: sort of teaching us what motion capture was and what 317 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: the technology does and how to use it and how 318 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: to utilize it as a performer to your advantage because 319 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: it can be you know, it's pretty overwhelming to begin with. 320 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: So you're covered in dots, you know, I think I 321 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: had one hundred and twenty three dots on my face 322 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: each day. You've got a helmet on that that's got 323 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: a boom, that's got a little arm that comes out 324 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: and you've got a camera right in front of your face. 325 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: It's performance capture camera, and that you know, just having 326 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: that in your face can be a little bit overwhelming 327 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: to begin with. And then you're in, you know, a 328 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: very attractive, skin tight suit all the way every day 329 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: with battery packs on your back. You know, we've got 330 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: it easy compared to it. You know, you look at 331 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: photos of Andy doing it when it first sort of started, 332 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: I think for maybe Kong and he's plugged in. You know, 333 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: he's a big black suit that's tugged in. But it's 334 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: so versatile now. So they really looked after us in 335 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: that training aspect. So we did like four four or 336 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: so weeks with our movement coach, Elaine, who's just this 337 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: incredible movement coach, just such a beautiful human being. And 338 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 2: then we went with him into what they call the volume, 339 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: which is the play space, which is in the studio. 340 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: It's big gray carpet that's surrounded by these these infrared 341 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: cameras that pick up your dots that we were talking about, 342 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: that you were talking about, so they they emit little 343 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: infrared flashes and it's all picked up. So about four 344 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: weeks into Ape School eight camp, we got into that 345 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: space and we got to work with Andy that sort 346 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: of live put a live feed up of us with 347 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: kind of not our ape, not like a Naya and 348 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: that you'd see the end of the film, but a 349 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: puppet that they would put over us, so we could 350 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: see how each little, each little movement would translate to oh, okay, 351 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: well maybe a little bit low on my back a 352 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: little bit, you know they look and listening to Andy 353 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: sort of direct us through scenes, like his direction is 354 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: really beautiful and really intelligent. Is such an intelligent actor 355 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: and performer. But then listening to him, to listening to 356 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: him chat to Weather as well, you know, he could 357 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: just he's just a master of both sides, which he's 358 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: you know, he's got his own studio in London, and 359 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: just that that was really amazing. And then you know, 360 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: we felt really comfortable and really safe. By the time 361 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: we got to day one. We knew knew enough about 362 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: the technology, knew enough about it to feel fertilized, to 363 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: feel free. Yeah, and it's just practice having these things 364 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: on your face. You know, You've got to practice, like 365 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: you know, the first time we're doing an intimate scene 366 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: where we're going to be close to each other. You know, 367 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: we're kind of sword fighting with these things, yeah, dodge 368 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, so it's it. Yeah, it's a lot 369 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: of practice. And they really looked after us with that, 370 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: so it's yeah, we felt really looked after. 371 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: I have to ask about Anaya because and I had 372 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: some so we've talked about this physical and the motion 373 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: capture side of things. But there was a beautiful character 374 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: to Anaya, where like there was a cheekiness, there was 375 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: like hope, but then there was like moments of like 376 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: being scared and vulnerable and like they were like, how 377 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: would you, like, I don't even know how to ask 378 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: this question, but like, how would you describe Anaya's personality 379 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: to somebody that might not have seen the movie? 380 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, he's cheeky, he's it's fun, 381 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: you know, he's he's brave until until he gets broken. 382 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: I think, and I think that really hurts him in 383 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: the film, you know, I think I think deep down 384 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: in an eye, there's a bit of an ass alaricin Yes, yes, 385 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of you know, he's just got 386 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: an American chimp accent, but underneath he's just you know, 387 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: and as you know, He's such a gift to an actor. 388 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: And I knew it, As I said before, the briefing 389 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: from you know, from twentieth century and from demzain And 390 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: and Danny, the briefs they sent out to actors, you know, 391 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: So what these are if anybody doesn't know, it's when 392 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 2: you get an audition, they'll send you out a character brief. 393 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: So I'll be like a Naya, you know, the cheeky friend. 394 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: You know. So from that moment of reading that brief, 395 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: you know, I can't remember exactly what it was, but 396 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: it was like, you know, the cheeky, cheeky friend of 397 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: Noah who gets captured by Proximus and and broken something 398 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: like that. And you know, from that moment on I 399 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: I sort of knew that a Nigh to me always 400 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: represented innocence in the film. 401 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: You can feel so yeah. 402 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: Great, and you know, I knew it was important for 403 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: me to you know, with an eyes arc. It's such 404 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: a beautiful art. It's really important to make it as 405 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: fun and as free and as happy as possible in 406 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: the beginning, with this trio, with this beautiful friendship. So 407 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: then when the darkness comes, it hurts even more, you know, So. 408 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: No you said beautifully, my friend, it was anything that 409 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: after filming stopped that you because it is such a 410 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: physically like you really had to commit physically vocally I 411 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: imagine as well, like a chimp's larynx is not like 412 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: a human's larynx, and like, h like that you talk 413 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: to actors about sometimes like letting go of roles, and 414 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: I just think it sounds like all of you in 415 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: every interrow I've watched, you've just completely, like you said 416 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: at the start, one hundred and fifty percent, like you 417 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: dove in right, you jumped off the cliff. You had 418 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: that kind of like we're going to do this and 419 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: that trust. Was there anything that was hard to let 420 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: go of post the shoot with an eye? 421 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I still walk up the stairs as a gym. 422 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: You know. It's just I don't want to let it go. 423 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: It's too much fun, you know. And chimps, well, you know, 424 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: chimps are just such efficient movers, so like you know, 425 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: there's still a lot of an eyron And I always 426 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, the thing I love about acting and the 427 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: thing I love about discovering character, and you know my belief, 428 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's just me as an actor, is it's 429 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: all starts from you. It's just it's just a different 430 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: different parts of you that you explore and you grow, 431 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: and you know, for some roles, it might be like, okay, 432 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: well this is pretty angry guy, let's how do we 433 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: grow that part? How do you? You know? So it's always authentic, always, 434 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's always rooted in truth. So I love 435 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: I love it when characters, you know, rub off on 436 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 2: me in a good way, like an I is just 437 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: heart on sleeping, you know, just loving and fun and free. 438 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: And you know, I just try and keep keep as 439 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: much as that of that going as possible. You know. 440 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: I try to walk up as straight as possible. But 441 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: you know there's still it's still in my body because 442 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: we did it for seven months. Yeah, but yeah, it's 443 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: you're just gonna be aware of it. I guess, you know. No, 444 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: I love it. 445 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's I think it's something 446 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: to keep I say, keep walking up the stairs like 447 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: an eye. I think, I think keep it with you. 448 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: I I have to ask this just as through an 449 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: actor's lens, like having worked now on like that's your 450 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: third as far as I'm aware, Like Big American Feature, Huge, 451 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: do you ever get the itch to be like, I'm 452 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: going to go to America because obviously you've got these 453 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: American credits now you've you've worked with some of the 454 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: greats already. Do you ever get the itch to come 455 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: over here? Obviously it's a beast. It's very different to Australia. 456 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think we chatted about this last 457 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: time four years ago. I think absolutely, And I do 458 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: you know, I come back and forth as much as 459 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 2: I can, and you know, it's obviously it's been such 460 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 2: a tricky few years with travel and we're chatting last time, 461 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: and I just started my visa process and I got 462 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: my visa and COVID hit and now it's just about 463 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: to expire, So three years of COVID visa. But yeah, absolutely, 464 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: And you know, I love the energy of the States 465 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 2: and I love the people. I've got such good friends there. 466 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: I also just love living in Australia. You know, living 467 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: Couldji in Sydney, it's just lucky, beautiful, and it is 468 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: you know, we're incredibly lucky. And you know, everywhere it's 469 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: got its its problems and things that you know need 470 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: to be sorted out. But I live in a very 471 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: beautiful place. You know, in the beach in Sydney, and 472 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: my family's down in Melbourne. I grew up on a 473 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: cattle farm, so I can come down here and a lot. 474 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: And you know, I've been very lucky with the Unbroken 475 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: shooting in Queensland, Bloody Hell shooting in Queensland, Pirates in Queensland, 476 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: the Preacher in Melbourne, you know, and then and then 477 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes in Sydney. So I mean so 478 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: lucky with getting you know, big American jobs whilst getting 479 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: to stay in a place I love. But in saying that, 480 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, I would love to work in America, and 481 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: you know, I know that's you know, travels a lot easier. 482 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: You know, I plan to spend a lot more time there, absolutely, 483 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's I think it's really important 484 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: to spend time on the ground there, developing those relationships. 485 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 2: You know, there's something that have served me so well 486 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: in Australia. It's been in the last ten twelve years, 487 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: getting to know you know, directors, producers, all the casting agents. 488 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: I think that groundwork is really important and really really necessary. 489 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: So I think it's a balance, you know, when when 490 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: I have you know, when I think about moving to 491 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: the States. I would always always move for a life 492 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: change rather than just as an actor, because I think 493 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: it's very easy to move somewhere and kind of not 494 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: get stuck. But I've had a lot of friends that 495 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: are like, great, I've got you know, saved up for 496 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: three months in America. You know, I'm going to go, 497 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, live my dream, going to make it happen. 498 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: And then they come back and they haven't, and nothing's happened, 499 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: and it's you know, deflating, and it's so I think 500 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: it's always really important to no matter where you live, 501 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: where you go, create a fantastic life. You know, like 502 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: what you've done, You've created a happy, fantastic life outside 503 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: of your you know, dream job. You're your craft. So 504 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: then when the good things happen, they're they're even better. 505 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: But they don't they don't define you. 506 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big belie. You're in a side hustle for 507 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: an and a lot of people. When I was acting 508 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: school teach, some teachers were like, this is the Olympics. 509 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: This is the only thing that matters. And I get 510 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: that in one answer the word, but at the other 511 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: sense the word, I'm like you if it's a resilience game, 512 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 1: which I think it is sometimes, like you've touched on, 513 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: there's been quiet moments and time pockets and time when 514 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: it can be trickier. And I think if that means 515 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: it's a resilience game, you've got to have something else 516 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: that you love that also feeds your creativity that you 517 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: can do still well going for that dream so that 518 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: you don't give up too soon, Like you don't do 519 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: that come over on an Esta or whatever it is 520 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: and bleed through your cash and then run home, you know, 521 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: Like I'm all for being savvy. I'm always like, have 522 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: the side hustle, keep the dream alive no matter what, 523 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: like never you know, if you get a good audition, 524 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: effing throw everything you've got at it. But at the 525 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: same time, like have other things that fill your cop up. Yeah, 526 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: And I think that that is a good trick to 527 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: resilience and I love I don't know, you would definitely know. 528 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: It's like the Nick Offerman and I just even heard 529 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: a little beautiful he said his trick. So he got 530 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: cast in Parks and rec at thirty eight and he 531 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: said his and NBC wouldn't cast him, like the way 532 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: you were talking about the process before, how it's got 533 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: to get through all these steps, and he said he 534 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: had so much happiness and joy outside of acting. He's like, 535 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: I was still acting, He's like, but he's like, I 536 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: fell in love with woodwork, and he literally has a 537 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: woodworking business on the side. He said it made me 538 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: stay patient for the acting stuff, and he said that 539 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: was that was my trick. He's like, I stayed in 540 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: it long enough to not give up. And I just think, 541 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's a really interesting and 542 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: cool perspective if you are in it for the long game, 543 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: especially when Los Angeles is so beautiful and so amazing, 544 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: and we talked about that epic moment of you on 545 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: the red car for the Chinese theater. But it's also 546 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: like a lot of auditions with not even it doesn't 547 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: even feel like rejection some days because you don't hear back. 548 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: You just get so used to having no response. 549 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 550 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of that as well, and so 551 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: you've got to find that whatever that magic thing is 552 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: for you to keep you on the course, but also 553 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: like keep that creativity like fed and alive. And you 554 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: are to me a beautiful, quintessential working actor, Like I 555 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: think your career already is one to be completely celebrated. 556 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: But and this is where I wanted to start to 557 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: talk to you about Dusty because you've written it, started it, 558 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: produce it. You produced it as well. 559 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: I'll produce it. Yeah. 560 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's a few hats to wear, my dear friend. 561 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a few hats. Yeah, Bney in a 562 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: bit with all those. 563 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: But my point is is, and the reason why I 564 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: bring this up is recently I interviewed Damon Harriman and 565 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: he said he writes when he's not acting, and I 566 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: love that you and you said that this was a 567 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: two and a half year project of writing. Really yeah, 568 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: And so you've had this thing that has anchored you 569 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: and you've still stayed in your creativity even when you 570 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: might not have been on the set of Kingdom of 571 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: the Planet of the Apes, you know what I mean, 572 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: or like it's held you. I could be totally wrong. 573 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: That's just I guess more of a question than anything, 574 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: is writing something that fills that cup for you? Oh? 575 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely? Yeah. And you know what you said before 576 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: about the resilience and finding love is just you know, 577 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to brush over that because that's I 578 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: think what you said is so beautiful. It's so important. 579 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: And I think when you find what you love outside 580 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: of this, you know, this hard industry, it doesn't it 581 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: kind of takes away the need for resilience and it's 582 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: just longevity, you know, it's just doing what you what 583 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: you love because you know, you do have to be 584 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: resilient because there are a lot of no's, or there 585 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: are a lot of never here agains, you know, but 586 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: working out I think. I think having the mindset of 587 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: like every experience is the ultimate currency. I believe as 588 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: an actor, is it creative what you learn from each experience. 589 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: So the audition, I find is the job. You know, 590 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: the audition is the end goal. Do a great job 591 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: with the audition, have fun with the audition, love the audition. 592 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: Then anything else is a bonus, you know. And there 593 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: are times when it's up and it's down. It's deflating 594 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 2: and it's hard. You know. I'm incredibly proud of my career. 595 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: But over the twelve years, there has been ups, there's 596 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: been downs. You know, the standing on the red carpet 597 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, you know, it was twelve years in 598 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: the well, twelve years professionally in the making three years 599 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: of drama school before that, and then six years of 600 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: high school plays and local theater groups, and so I 601 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: think it is so important and it doesn't have to 602 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: be creatively. You know, writing is such a a great 603 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: anchor for me, but creating a life that you love 604 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: and you enjoy outside of your job or you know, 605 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 2: we're very lucky. We chase what we love, you know, 606 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: we do for a job what we love. A lot 607 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: of people don't get that luxury, you know, a lot 608 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: of people haven't been able to do that. So I think, 609 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: you know, when we get to work, it's great, But 610 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: if we define ourselves by being actors, being writers, being creatives, 611 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: that time in between, I think for a lot of people, 612 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: and it's very easy for that to turn you bitter, 613 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: and for that to because you work so hard and 614 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: you've earned it. Nobody's you know, I don't think anybody's 615 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: entitled to anything, but a lot of people have worked 616 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: very hard and a lot of people have earned it. 617 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: But there's a lot of luck involved in this industry. 618 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of hard work, but there's 619 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: also a lot of luck. So I think those downtimes 620 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: can be really upsetting when you've worked your ass off, 621 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: so if you find some that you love in those downtimes, 622 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: you're not just sitting there thinking about why isn't the 623 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: phone ringing? Why aren't I getting work? And then you know, 624 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 2: you spend enough time in those downtimes and then audition 625 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: comes you go, well, fuck it, I'm not going to 626 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: get it anyway, you know what. I keep putting myself 627 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: out there. But if you can, you know, whether it 628 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: be reading or would work, you know, or podcasts or 629 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: yoga or whatever, you know, create a life that you 630 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: love so then when the jobs come, it's not the 631 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: be all and end all. It's great and it's amazing, 632 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: and you know, it's a privilege and it's an honor 633 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: to get these jobs because there's not a lot of them. 634 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: But it doesn't define you. It doesn't define who you 635 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: are as a person, and it doesn't define your career 636 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: and your life, you know, because if you're waiting for 637 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: this big job, and I think a lot of actors do, 638 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 2: and I certainly did for the first five years, the 639 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: first you know, ten years, it was just be like, oh, well, 640 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: when I get Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 641 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: I will then be happy when I can work when 642 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: I can support myself just as an actor, I will 643 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: then be happy. When you reach these miles signs, you go, 644 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm not any happy? What's next? What can be next? 645 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of hustle mentality, which I 646 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: think causes a lot of burnout in this industry. And 647 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: it's something you've got to really watch out for, that burnout, 648 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: because then when the good opportunities do come, you can't 649 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: put yourself fully into it because you're exhausted and you're 650 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: you're down, you know, you're deflated. So I think creating 651 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: a wonderful life before the work is so important. And yeah, 652 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: that's that's where writing came into it. I just before COVID, 653 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: so just the end of twenty nineteen, I started writing. 654 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: And it was more so just as an exercise. I 655 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 2: never expected to make anything. I never expected to kind 656 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: of to really take it any further than just an exercise, 657 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: as just a creative outlet. Because in this industry, as 658 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: an actor, we're always kind of waiting for somebody to 659 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: give us permission to act. We're waiting for somebody to say, Okay, 660 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: you get job, now you can go act, which isn't 661 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: true you know, you can be working on monologues at home, 662 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 2: you can do classes, you can do all that sort 663 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: of stuff. But we spend a lot of time waiting 664 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 2: as an actor. So I wanted to do something. I 665 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 2: wanted to kind of take the reins creatively over my 666 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: career and my life. And I thought writing would be 667 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: a great outlet. And I never expected it to turn 668 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: into what it did. You know, if I never make 669 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 2: anything again, you know, hopefully I will, and you know, 670 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm still writing. The experience of Dusty and the experience 671 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 2: of writing so far has just taught me so much. 672 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think I've learned more about acting from 673 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 2: writing than I have from a lot of my other 674 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: acting training. So it's just been such a valuable tool. 675 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: And I always encourage actors to write actors to make 676 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: things not just you know, not just to get yourself 677 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 2: in front of the camera, but also understand everything behind 678 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: the camera. You know, understand what the dop is doing, 679 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: understand what the producers are doing, what the directors doing, 680 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 2: just to make the experience more cohesive, you know, knowing 681 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 2: how a set works, knowing you know what the lighting 682 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 2: guys are doing. How long it's kind of going to 683 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 2: take where you need to be when you need to 684 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: be there. I find that just helps me kind of 685 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: feel more comfortable as well, you know, on set. So yeah, 686 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 2: it's been jumping behind the camera with the writing, producing 687 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: sort of stuff has been a really really valuable experience. 688 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: When you sent me the link to watch it, I 689 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: didn't know what. I didn't know what to expect. So 690 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: I watch it. You are incredible, by the way. But 691 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: then I was lucky enough to watch an interview you'd 692 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: done about it after, so I didn't know until I 693 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: watched in view that it had come from your own 694 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: personal grief story and how you went through it. Kind 695 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: of it feels like it shines a light on sometimes 696 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: the more uncomfortable way we as human beings handle grief. 697 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? 698 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, I think so. It's it was always 699 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 2: very important for me to to sort of reflect my style, 700 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 2: my version of grief, my style of grief, you know, 701 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: you know, everybody's got their own style of grief. And summer, 702 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 2: you know, I'm learning to deal with things in a 703 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 2: more healthy way. You know, when my my friend Diana 704 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 2: passed away, you know, she was one of the most 705 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: incredible people on the face of the earth. You know. 706 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 2: We dated for a long time and then we'd broken 707 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: up and stayed close and she was diagnosed with cancer. 708 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: When she passed away, I you know, I was how 709 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 2: old was I was like twenty twenty eight, You know, 710 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know how to deal with grief. Nobody ever 711 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: teach you, teaches you how to how to deal with grief, 712 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 2: you know, and it's quite a you know, it's a 713 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: very heartbreaking thing at the time, and it still is 714 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 2: a very heartbreaking thing. You know, these things never go away. 715 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: But what I did was I just partied and I think, 716 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's a very Australian thing, you know, I think, well, 717 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 2: I think it's a very universal thing. I just dealt 718 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 2: with it through deflection, through humor, and through sort of numbing. 719 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,479 Speaker 2: You know, there's a big numbing culture. And it wasn't 720 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: until you know, Dusty is kind of four or five 721 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 2: years of probably grief squished into a four day, fifteen 722 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: minute short film. You know, the film's not really about 723 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: Diana specifically as a person, you know, wanted to honor 724 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 2: her privacy, and it's more so how I dealt with 725 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: a you know, a with grief. 726 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: So can I ask that that being such a vulnerable, 727 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: like and very personal story for you and you having 728 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: written it, acted in it, produced it cut to you 729 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: at Saint Kilda Festival Film Festival like you sure, I 730 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: can only imagine that you were like, Okay, well there's 731 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: a hunk of my heart on the screen right there. 732 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like was that? 733 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: Were you flipping shitting yourself? Were you scared? Like I 734 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: would be like, oh my god, my heart would have 735 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: been in my throat Film Festival. Yeah. 736 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 2: I don't think I breathed in sixteen minutes that it 737 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 2: was on the screen. 738 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. That's brave, That's very brave. Yeah. 739 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm incredibly proud of Dusty. I'm incredibly proud of every 740 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 2: single person's work in the film. You know, Jerem Lindsay Taylor, 741 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 2: the director, is one of my best mates. Shannon Ryan, 742 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 2: who plays the other character plays actually it's my partner, 743 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 2: the dop Kate Cornish is just just incredible and she 744 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 2: knew Diana through this period of time. Just every step 745 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 2: of the way. We just got incredible people involved. So 746 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: I knew up on the screen how proud of it 747 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 2: or I was. But that doesn't take away from the 748 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 2: shit terror, you know. And I was pretty objective all 749 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 2: the way through the process. Like when I wrote it, 750 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 2: I didn't realize I knew, I knew it was personal, 751 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: but I could be like, okay, this is this is 752 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 2: separate for now the act. When we got to shooting it, 753 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 2: I could be quite separate objective. I was like, I'm 754 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 2: just doing my job as an actor, stepping in doing 755 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 2: the role, you know, even though the role there's a 756 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 2: lot of me in the role. But then when we 757 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 2: started to watch the rushers and get into the edit, 758 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, I've got a bit people, 759 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: this is Yeah, I don't you know which is you know, 760 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 2: which is? I think good thing? You know, a lot 761 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 2: of a lot of really incredible writers, you know, say 762 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 2: right things that you're embarrassed to show people because I 763 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: love it's so real and it was scary, you know. 764 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: And is it just being sink kildon is it non 765 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: for sinvest Is that what it's called sinfest oz? 766 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 2: Yes, cinopest Oz. So we've yes, we're on our way 767 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 2: to Cinapestos, which is happening, thank you very much. So. 768 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 2: Cinopestos has always been a huge, a huge deal to me. 769 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 2: It's a festival. It's really close to my heart. In 770 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, I went for the first time for a 771 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 2: spin out and then I just kept going back. So 772 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 2: to have have our film Dusty play at Cinifestos, it's 773 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 2: just really, you know, really, it really means a lot. 774 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 2: And it's a beautif festival, beautiful bunch of people in 775 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,760 Speaker 2: a beautiful part of the world. 776 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: So it's just main do you know who you're reminding 777 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: me of? And it's just because I fell in love 778 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: with this movie at the start of the year. Have 779 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: you seen Monkey Man? 780 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 2: I haven't know. Yeah, it looks alone. 781 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: You have to see it. But Defotel wrote that movie 782 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: in a garage in La He wrote it, directed it, 783 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: starret in it. Netflix bought it. Netflix dropped it after 784 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: he shot it, really and it was going to be 785 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: a dead film. It's it's so incredable. And then Jordan 786 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: Peele picked it up, recut it to sound and sold 787 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: it to Universal for a third of the price. And 788 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: it was just like this story and this is there's 789 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: this beautiful TikTok of dev in premiere week in La 790 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: standing on a stage of the mic just bawling like 791 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: fast crying because he never thought his story was going 792 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: to be told it and it got told. And it's 793 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: a very personal story as well. You have to see it. 794 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: There's so many synergistic things there. 795 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: But I watch it. 796 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens with Dusty because 797 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: there's a few things. It's like, it's so close to 798 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: your heart. It is a chunk of your heart. It's 799 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: already receiving love, like I really do hope. Like is 800 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: the what like because I've never been in or worked 801 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: on a short film before. Is the hope that then 802 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: you get it into a few festies and then potentially 803 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: it can become a feature? 804 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 2: Is that? 805 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: Is that the process? 806 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? So there's a lot of avenues and sort of 807 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing to come out of a 808 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 2: short film is experience. You know, it's not often that 809 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 2: you will ever make your money back on a short film. 810 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: You know. The reason we made Dusty it kind of started. 811 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 2: It started as a exercise. Jeremy. The directors like, write 812 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 2: something for you and Channy to do. Oh, direct it. 813 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 2: It'd be fun, you know, just he wants to get 814 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 2: better at directing. I wanted to get better at writing, 815 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 2: and you know, and with something that channing I could 816 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 2: do together on screen, and then it spiraled out of 817 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 2: control in a fantastic way and bigger and bigger. So yeah, 818 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 2: there's lots of reasons to make short films. One, you know, 819 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 2: a major reason for us was as a calling card. 820 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 2: You know, for Jeremy it's his debut as a director. 821 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 2: For me debut as a writer. You know, it's I 822 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 2: got to play a lead, you know, a lead in 823 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 2: the story that you know has a you know, it's 824 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 2: a wild amount of emotions. So it was a good 825 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 2: challenge for me as an actor. So I think that's 826 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 2: why a lot of people write, write, and make sure 827 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 2: films as almost a proof of concept of their their craft. 828 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 2: So then they can, you know, even if it's not 829 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 2: the same film that they've they've they've written, you know, 830 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 2: they might be for their next feature. They go, well, 831 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 2: I've done this, have a look at that, you know. 832 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 2: And festivals is a festivals are a great way to 833 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 2: sort of get your film out there. It's great to 834 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 2: show to a lot of incredible filmmakers, a lot of 835 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 2: incredible industry people. Yeah, so it's I think you've got 836 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 2: to make the got to make what you're making. For 837 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 2: love same same as anything. You know, you've got to 838 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 2: have that love first because you're not going to make 839 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 2: your money back, you know, and it can be You've 840 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 2: just got to put a lot of heart and soul 841 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 2: into it and you might not get into the festivals 842 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 2: that you want to get into and it might not 843 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 2: do what you want it to do, and that's heartbreaking. 844 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 2: But you know you've still got to just do it, 845 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,959 Speaker 2: do it for the love. 846 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: And it's never always. 847 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 2: Working in your craft, absolutely nothing. 848 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, as you know, I write books, I'm an author 849 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: by trade, and you never write a book with the like, 850 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: oh well, I hope so and so signs this or 851 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: I hope it gets there. You you're writing, you have 852 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: to write this thing. There's no a real other option, 853 00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: you know. And it feels like the same. It's like, well, 854 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: I have to do this thing. It's an expression of 855 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: something that I'm that's in my heart and I have 856 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: to share in the truth and all that kind of thing. 857 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: So I look, I'm so proud of you. I think 858 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: you're absolutely flipping and wonderful. I do I do want 859 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: to ask just a couple more questions. As an actor. 860 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: A lot of young actors listen to this pod now because, 861 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: as you know, I'm such an actor nerd and I 862 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,720 Speaker 1: just love bring actors and learning, and as a result, 863 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 1: young actors listen to it. And so I guess if 864 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: you had you've had such a beautiful but also a 865 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: varied career. Like you said, you know, when you got 866 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: the call for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 867 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 1: you know, you were standing in a field, you know, 868 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 1: shed a little tear, couldn't really say anything to anybody. 869 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: And then, you know, so advice for like an actor 870 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: that is trying to start out and he's trying to 871 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: like get over that initial like because it's not just 872 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: like reject with the auditions, it's rejection like even getting 873 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: a meeting with a flip and agent for a young actor. 874 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: And so I just think it's like, is your advice 875 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: to be like go out there and create and make 876 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 1: stuff with your mates? Is that kind of like what 877 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: you would say to a young actor? 878 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely? I think, you know, there's just so many things 879 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 2: said to a young actor, you know, and things that 880 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 2: I wish people had said to me. I think the 881 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 2: most important thing is run your own race. I love 882 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 2: that no matter what career you're in, you know, people. 883 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure a lot of people disagree 884 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 2: with this, but I don't think this is a competitive 885 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 2: industry because the only person you're ever competing is yourself. 886 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 2: You know, when it comes to getting a role, you 887 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 2: were right for the role or you were not right 888 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 2: for the role, And the only thing that is going 889 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 2: to stand in your way if you're right for the 890 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 2: role is whether or not you've done enough work. You know, 891 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 2: whether you were prepared when you if you have made 892 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 2: the most of this opportunity that is there. If you're 893 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 2: not right for the role, you never get that role. 894 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,359 Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens in Hollywood and you watch a film 895 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 2: you go, well, that was pretty miscast. But you know, 896 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 2: when you're starting out and when you're you know, when 897 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 2: you're unless you're you're a mega statist, is getting offers, 898 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 2: it's it's you know, the role is yours and and 899 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,439 Speaker 2: kind of all the roles that I've been lucky to play, 900 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 2: they fit when you get them. They fit, and that's 901 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 2: what casting is looking for. So I think making sure 902 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 2: that you're not comparing yourself to other people other people's journeys, 903 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,879 Speaker 2: because some people just skyrocket. Some people, you know, it's 904 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 2: a bit of a slow race. Some people, you know, 905 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 2: spend forty years doing this and then then something happens, 906 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 2: whether you get the roles or not. You need to 907 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 2: work out why you love it, what you love about it, 908 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 2: why you're doing it, because that'll keep you going. What 909 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 2: we're talking about before, you know, the resilience and the perseverance. 910 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 2: If you're getting joy out of doing auditions with mates, 911 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 2: if you're getting you know, producing independent theater. You can 912 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,280 Speaker 2: get the joy out of it at any level if 913 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 2: you know why you love it and you know why 914 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 2: you're doing it. I think that's a great way to 915 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 2: keep that longevity happening. And then just know that experience 916 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 2: is what you want as an actor. You know, go 917 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 2: out there, do short, free short films, you know, go 918 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 2: out there, do play, play readings, do plays, do do 919 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 2: independent theater. Just work on your craft because then when 920 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 2: those big opportunities do come, you will be ready. I 921 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 2: love that the most. 922 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I just cut you off, but 923 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: I I one of my favorite quotes and with someone 924 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 1: I interviewed on the podcast. His name's Owen Teale. He 925 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: was in Game of Thrones. Incredible, incredible actor anyway, and 926 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: he's like, readiness is all. He's like coding Hamlet. He's like, 927 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,399 Speaker 1: but readiness is all. He goes, you will eventually get 928 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: that opportunity, but if you're not ready for it, he's like, 929 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: it will just slip straight through your hands. And he said, 930 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 1: and when you do get that opportunity, he's like, you 931 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: need to be willing to run with the momentum of 932 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: that opportunity because you don't know when the next opportunity comes. 933 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: And he's like, so staying ready for when that opportunity comes, 934 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, He's like, I'm telling you. Everyone gets 935 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: an opportunity. He's like, but not everyone is ready for it. 936 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 2: And I like, absolutely, oh yeah, I love that. And 937 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 2: there can be so many reasons why the opportunity doesn't work. 938 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 2: Not being ready, but you know, being rusty, being upset 939 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 2: at the industry, you know. And I think the love 940 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 2: of it and that creating a good life will keep 941 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 2: you ready as a human medic, you know, and then 942 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 2: you can work on your craft from there without the bitterness, 943 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 2: without you know, being deflated, just knowing that every experience 944 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 2: you take, as you said before, nothing is wasted. You know. 945 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 2: If I read a book and there's one good phrase 946 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 2: in there, then the book was worth it. You know, 947 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,919 Speaker 2: if you take one thing away from anything, it's worth it. 948 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 2: You know that the greatest actors on earth have great life. 949 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 2: You know, they have lived, and you've got to You've 950 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 2: got to live your life outside of this because it 951 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 2: will make this. It will make the better times better, 952 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, and then you've got something else when when 953 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 2: the times are down. So yeah, I think that's great 954 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 2: great advice. Readiness is all yeah, isn't it. 955 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: It's a goodie. I also think, and this is one 956 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: thing I've learned in LA. A lot of it, Yes, 957 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 1: a lot of it comes from like doing a Ripper audition, 958 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,800 Speaker 1: but a lot of it also comes from knowing people. 959 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: And I think like you touched on that with like 960 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, understanding and knowing and having great respect and 961 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: great relationships casting directors and directors, and it is it 962 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: is about having those relationships. They'll be like, oh, actually 963 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: Travor is going to be fit for this thing. I 964 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: want to get him to read for that. And so 965 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: I think it's also like, if you're feeling bitter about 966 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,959 Speaker 1: the industry or stuff, this is so much rejection. You're 967 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: not going to be open to meeting those people or 968 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:21,360 Speaker 1: forming those connections or like eyes even on you, you 969 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you've actually just got to 970 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: be like and I always say to people and this 971 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,280 Speaker 1: is just like a good life hack. And it's funny 972 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: that the first time you and I worked together was 973 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: around Polish Man and which is all about you know, 974 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: just coming back, coming back, and you do it every year. 975 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: I see, friend, because you are absolutely amazing. But for me, 976 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: I always say like, if you've got a good handle 977 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,720 Speaker 1: on your mental health, then you can probably like find 978 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: those moments of joy in even shitty situations like I 979 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,959 Speaker 1: remember I did a call back in LA but they'd 980 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 1: call back. They had called back every single Australian that 981 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: was in LA. I was like, oh, I've got the accent. 982 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to fly through this one standing there, sides 983 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: in hand. They changed the cut like I got there 984 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: and they're like, actually you're not playing Patricia anymore. You're 985 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: paying Daisy. So you're trying to learn new sides on 986 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: the spot. There's all these guys in a corner, like 987 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: dressed like Abraham Lincoln, not linked to my audition at all. 988 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: They're doing a different audition and then down the hall, 989 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: all I can hear is murderous screams because other people 990 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: are auditioning for horror movie at the exact same time. 991 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 1: Like it was just like I was like, this is 992 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: an outer body experience, and also I felt it because 993 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 1: it was my first in person one post COVID. It 994 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 1: was just like I was like, oh my god, this 995 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: feels like an assault of the senses in every way. 996 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 1: And it was like one hundred and fifty Aussies there 997 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,840 Speaker 1: and they was just cattle calling us through, you know, 998 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: and I in the end, I had to just like 999 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: walk away with like the biggest smile on my face 1000 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: because I was like, I just learned so much. I 1001 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: did not think that was ever my best acting, but man, 1002 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: I just learned so much from like being able to 1003 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: walk in and protect your like energy and not be overwhelmed, 1004 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: to be able to go with the flow and learn 1005 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,720 Speaker 1: sides on the spot to you know, Like I think 1006 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: even the doozies end up being really good experiences if 1007 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: you're if you've got a good sense of self and 1008 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,759 Speaker 1: that mental health piece where you're like, okay, well I 1009 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 1: did the best of a weird situation, you know. 1010 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, just Wow. Yeah, absolutely. I think just rolling 1011 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 2: with it is another great piece of advice, you know, 1012 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 2: just just going with the flow and being open, being 1013 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,600 Speaker 2: prepared enough to be open. You know. 1014 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: That's a good one. 1015 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, just be so on top of your shit so 1016 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,879 Speaker 2: then you can be free, you know. And I think 1017 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 2: you know, there's a great saying if you're not laughing 1018 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 2: and you're crying, yeah, you know, so you know, we 1019 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,759 Speaker 2: will get there. I've been in a situation all the 1020 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 2: time where I'm on set and you know, the wind's 1021 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,839 Speaker 2: blowing at one hundred and forty kilometers an hour, you know, 1022 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 2: on war films and things like that, like, wow, this 1023 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 2: is kind of this is pretty fucked, but here we are. 1024 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, even when we talked last time, when you 1025 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 1: said with Unbroken, you'd all lost so much weight and 1026 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 1: so you were like that was a quiet set because 1027 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: we were all thinking about it. 1028 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 2: Was it was. 1029 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: Yes, it's just rolling with it. But the other question 1030 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,760 Speaker 1: I did want to ask again for these like younger actors, 1031 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: is like, and you've touched on it a fair few 1032 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,240 Speaker 1: times in this chat, but just like not taking rejection 1033 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: personally and just being like okay, and a thing that 1034 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is at all helpful, But 1035 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,799 Speaker 1: like every time I do an audition, I then throw 1036 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,759 Speaker 1: the sides away, like I just don't think about it. 1037 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,319 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I like honor the moment I give 1038 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 1: it a red hot crack and hit submit, don't think 1039 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: about it again. And what that helps me not worry 1040 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,320 Speaker 1: about the rejection because anything like if I get a 1041 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,720 Speaker 1: response about it, then that's a surprise, essentially absolutely bonus. 1042 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: But what would your advice be around that kind of 1043 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,879 Speaker 1: like handling rejection because it is part of the job 1044 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: essentially absolutely. 1045 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 2: You know, I think I said this last time, but 1046 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 2: expect nothing to appreciate everything. I think is such a 1047 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 2: great way to live life, and rejection and the nose, 1048 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 2: unfortunately are a big part of it. And you know, 1049 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 2: you look at every actor, you know, you know, I've 1050 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 2: been so lucky and you kind of look at my career, 1051 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,920 Speaker 2: but there are you know, there's still ninety five percent 1052 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,280 Speaker 2: of the nose. You know, I don't know how many 1053 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 2: thousands of auditions I've done over the years, and I've 1054 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 2: got fifty something credits on IMDb, so you know, the 1055 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 2: hit rates not one hundred percent for anybody. I don't 1056 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 2: think any actor. You know, it's just it is part 1057 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 2: of it, and it is practice because when people go 1058 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 2: don't take it personally, you go, what don't take personally 1059 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 2: that you literally have just said no to my face 1060 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 2: and me what I'm doing? How do I not take 1061 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 2: that personally? But it's like what I said before, and 1062 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 2: that terms of trying to shift the mindset of the 1063 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 2: competitiveness in this industry, because that's another thing that can 1064 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 2: cause a lot of bitterness and things like that. You've 1065 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 2: got to push yourself work as hard as you can, 1066 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 2: but knowing that if you have done everything you can, 1067 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,080 Speaker 2: that experience has been valuable. If you've done an audition 1068 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 2: that you were proud of, you were one step closer 1069 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 2: to to your dreams and your goals, you know, because 1070 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 2: you've got for me, you know, goals should always be craft, 1071 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,919 Speaker 2: getting better, getting better and better and better and better 1072 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 2: and learning from each of those experiences. I think it 1073 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 2: is tricky with the not taking it personally, but you've 1074 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 2: just got to see every opportunity as a win. You know, 1075 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 2: those auditions, whether you don't get a call back, but 1076 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 2: if you're proud of that audition, that's a win. You know, 1077 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 2: you get a call back, but you don't get it, 1078 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 2: that's a win. You've just met the producers, the casting agents, 1079 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 2: the director. You know, I said this last time. You know, 1080 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 2: every audition is an audition for the next one as well, 1081 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 2: whether you feel right for the role or not, do 1082 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 2: your best, bring something that you love, that inspires you 1083 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 2: that you want to do, you know. So then when 1084 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 2: you do hear the no, you walk away with it 1085 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 2: and go, well, at least I learned something. At least 1086 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm taking something away from this situation. And you know, 1087 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 2: all that's really easy to stay say, but I'll still 1088 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 2: get hurt. I'll still because we care, you know, we 1089 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 2: stop caring then we you know, I think that's when 1090 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 2: your work kind of suffers if you don't put your 1091 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 2: heart and soul into it every time. So sometimes I'm 1092 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 2: better at not taking it personally, and sometimes it really hurts, 1093 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 2: and you still do take it personally. So you know, 1094 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 2: this life is a rollercoaster and you'll have the good 1095 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,560 Speaker 2: days and the bad days. But just what really helps 1096 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 2: me is focusing on doing a good job of the audition, 1097 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 2: the callback, you know, because then if it's a no, 1098 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,360 Speaker 2: you go, well, at least I left everything on the table, 1099 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 2: it was out of my hands, and a lot of 1100 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 2: the time, I think what really helps is understand well 1101 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,160 Speaker 2: what I was saying before, understanding the mechanisms of it all. 1102 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Knowing that casting is a puzzle. You know, I might 1103 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 2: not get the role because the lead's got the same 1104 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 2: color hair as me, or eyes, or the lead is 1105 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 2: seven foot and I'm five eight and that looks a 1106 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 2: bit weird on screen. You know, maybe I was the 1107 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,919 Speaker 2: best actor for the role, but it just doesn't fit 1108 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 2: with the ensemble. So understanding that there are more than 1109 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 2: just it's more to do than just talent, you know, 1110 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,360 Speaker 2: it's more to do than just the acting chops. It's 1111 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 2: a puzzle piece. So that always helps me going, you know, 1112 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 2: walking away from it going, well, there's a million factors 1113 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 2: that just you know, a little bits added up to 1114 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 2: me not getting that role totally. 1115 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,200 Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing that you still have rejection, 1116 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 1: because even for people listening, your favorite actor would have 1117 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 1: had so much and probably still has rejection or like 1118 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 1: goes for something and somebody else gets it, and even 1119 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,360 Speaker 1: you know people, yeah, that's very very very celebrated actors 1120 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 1: like oscoining it. I still think unless you're Pedro Pascal 1121 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,360 Speaker 1: right now, I think you're probably still like auditioning and 1122 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 1: really like fighting for fighting for it. I don't think 1123 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 1: anyone skips that out, you know. 1124 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think you can also apply that to 1125 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 2: running your own race, you know, Reactor Killian Murphy, Pedro Pascal. 1126 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 2: You know, anyone, they'll go, well, I'm not lean out 1127 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 2: at a caprio, am I you know I'm not quite 1128 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 2: there yet. Yeah, you know your favorite actor is They've 1129 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 2: still got places to go and yeah, and you know, 1130 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,280 Speaker 2: things they want to achieve. So I think, yeah, it's 1131 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 2: and knowing that they'll have good days and bad days 1132 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 2: as well, and that's okay. I think that's another, you know, 1133 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 2: huge piece of advice I can give to anyone. It's 1134 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 2: just always leading from kindness, whether it be to yourself 1135 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,960 Speaker 2: or everyone around you. And you're talking about those relationships 1136 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 2: and those things that you create in the industry. You 1137 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,440 Speaker 2: can always kind of feel when somebody's out there networking 1138 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 2: for networking sake, But if you are just you know, 1139 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,320 Speaker 2: authentically you treating everybody with the same respect that you 1140 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 2: hope they treat you with, you know, knowing that every 1141 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 2: job on set is just as important as the next one, 1142 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 2: no matter what it is, whether it be the director 1143 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,320 Speaker 2: or catering, it's all so important and treating everybody with 1144 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 2: the respect that they. 1145 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 1: Deserve kind of never lets you down ever. Ever, it 1146 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: will never let you down in any part, whether you're 1147 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 1: an actor or not. Like if you're a good person, 1148 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: people also as well, like say right Dusty gets bored, 1149 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,200 Speaker 1: it becomes this massive feature. Ten Bucks says, you're going 1150 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: to want to cast people that you love working with, 1151 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Like I imagine that's how it's going to go. Obviously 1152 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,880 Speaker 1: talented fee, but you're going to be working with them 1153 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,800 Speaker 1: for say six miles, six weeks, six months, have a 1154 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: long you're shooting for. And I just think I always 1155 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: think that because I think my brain almost is a 1156 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 1: bit more like a producers because I'm always like, oh, 1157 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,320 Speaker 1: I wonder how that would go there, and that will 1158 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,360 Speaker 1: go And I always think I'm going to cast people 1159 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: that I want to work with. If I ever write 1160 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,320 Speaker 1: my own thing, I'm just going to do it because 1161 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,919 Speaker 1: I can trust them. I know they're not dingo's, which 1162 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: is my word for dickhead. You know, they're kind, they're 1163 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: good people, they work hard, and they've got the chops 1164 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,600 Speaker 1: and I just think like, yeah, kindness, I think will 1165 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: never ever ever let you down. And then, like you said, 1166 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: it gives you the luxury if you just get to 1167 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,080 Speaker 1: be yourself and be open, and that's the magic to you, 1168 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,160 Speaker 1: that's the essence of who you are. So yeah, I 1169 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: always like to add in like be kind and then 1170 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,520 Speaker 1: also be curious. Like whenever I get nervous, especially around 1171 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,200 Speaker 1: pods and stuff for acting auditions, my coach here in 1172 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: LA always says, if you've got a callback and you're nervous, 1173 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,920 Speaker 1: because we all get nerves for callbacks, she said, just 1174 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: figure out your reader's eye color. And she said it 1175 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 1: takes you out of your own body and mind. And 1176 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: she's like, and you just it switches you into curiosity. 1177 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 1: And she's like, curiosity is way more fun for someone 1178 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,480 Speaker 1: to watch than you being like, oh fuck, I I 1179 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,919 Speaker 1: fucked my lines? Uh like or do I look okay? 1180 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 1: Am I okay? At this angle, She's like, just focus 1181 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: on the reader, and she'll say she'll go text me 1182 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 1: after and tell me something you learn about the reader, 1183 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: So your focus is completely on You'll be like reader 1184 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,360 Speaker 1: had blue eyes and they've got a dog called Simon, 1185 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: and you know, and you've just pulled it away from 1186 01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,800 Speaker 1: yourself and you've just given all the like put it on. 1187 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,160 Speaker 1: And then yeah, curiosity is key, I. 1188 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,080 Speaker 2: Reckon curiosity is key. No, absolutely, and I think yeah, 1189 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 2: and then there is no pressure, you know, if you 1190 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,800 Speaker 2: can be if you can authentically be yourself walking into 1191 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,200 Speaker 2: a place, you know, you don't have to try, you 1192 01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 2: don't have to pretend. And I guarantee. And we spoke 1193 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,600 Speaker 2: about this last time. I think I started booking a 1194 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 2: lot more work when I stopped being a serious actor. 1195 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 2: You know, I could just be, you know, me the 1196 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 2: farm boy that's you know, a little bit terrified to 1197 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 2: be here and still kind of work out how I 1198 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 2: am did it? You know, and people just or you know, 1199 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 2: they it doesn't feel false, you know. And what we 1200 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,120 Speaker 2: were talking about before about you know you're writing from 1201 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,560 Speaker 2: your heart or you know with Dusty you wrote from 1202 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 2: my heart. We're not thinking about the destination, you know, 1203 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 2: if you're same with directing, if it's result driven, if 1204 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 2: it's you know, if we're doing anything for the result, 1205 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,760 Speaker 2: we're not thinking about the journey. We're not present for 1206 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,320 Speaker 2: the journey. So I think authenticity is such an important 1207 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 2: thing in this industry because there's not a lot of it, 1208 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,400 Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of not a lot of it. 1209 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,080 Speaker 2: It's not people's faults sometimes, but they feel. 1210 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,480 Speaker 1: Like they have to be something totally totally Well, my friend, 1211 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: you are authentic, you are kind, you are brave, and 1212 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: you are all hot. So as always, I love cheering 1213 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: you on via in staff from the other side of 1214 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 1: the world, and I cannot wait to see what comes 1215 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,760 Speaker 1: next for you. Please, as always, stay in touch with 1216 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,760 Speaker 1: me because I hope this is one of many pods 1217 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: that we get to do together. 1218 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,479 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll see you in four years, we'll do it again. 1219 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you're wonderful. And to the listener, 1220 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,320 Speaker 1: I'll have I'm going to have the trailer. Tell me 1221 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,720 Speaker 1: how I can get people to know about Dusty because 1222 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,000 Speaker 1: by the time this comes out, will they be able 1223 01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 1: to teach me how I can share Dusty. 1224 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can send you the trailer. We've got 1225 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,520 Speaker 2: a trailer going on. I can I can see the 1226 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,880 Speaker 2: Instagram page and that's kind of where we share all 1227 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,640 Speaker 2: the info about screenings and all that sort of stuff. 1228 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,600 Speaker 1: Beautiful. Thank you, no, I thank you, my friend. You 1229 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: are absolutely wonderful and I really wish the best for you. 1230 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, and you're wonderful too, and it's always 1231 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 2: a pleasure to be here, so thank you, thank you. 1232 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:59,840 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing as all. 1233 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 1234 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:09,640 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word 1235 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,440 Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love 1236 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,520 Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, rape and comment and of 1237 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 1: course spread the love.