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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Laura, I'm Brittany.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we decided to wear team uniforms. Unfortunately, he

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't get the memo, you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Look like you're the cow. I had bad eyesight. I

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<v Speaker 2>would just be floating heads.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are watching this on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>Yesterday, Brittan I had a discussion in the car where

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<v Speaker 3>I said I don't think I suit beige.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I regret that because I didn't know you copy

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<v Speaker 2>my outfits. I was like, you can wear beige, you

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<v Speaker 2>do it, do anything. I was like, we've got the

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<v Speaker 2>same coloring. Look at me. So I turned up in

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<v Speaker 2>my outfit the other day that Laura did compliment last

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<v Speaker 2>time I wore this, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes, that's a really cute set.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Laura today in a full beige matching outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to fee you. No.

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<v Speaker 3>I went into Dish and I bought I just nothing

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<v Speaker 3>fits me anymore, Guys, that fits. I really have like

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<v Speaker 3>every single winter item that I would have worn last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just over the cusp. None of the pants do up.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing's comfortable, even the things it's stretched. Like everything that

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<v Speaker 3>had an elastic size waistband is now a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>too tight.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you just pull it down under the belly.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're still too tight, Like my ass has grown.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's grown.

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<v Speaker 3>My ass and my boobs are growing faster than my

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<v Speaker 3>stomach to be fair. Also so my nipples. My nipples

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<v Speaker 3>are so fucking long.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they get bigger every time?

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<v Speaker 3>They're just well, I think they get longer so the

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<v Speaker 3>baby can find them, you know, phone helm as. Also

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<v Speaker 3>I learned something. I was talking to my sister in law.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry to start this off with pregnancy shit. I know

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<v Speaker 3>no one cares, but I'll just make it brief. I

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<v Speaker 3>think everyone cares about the size of a nipple. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to my sister in law, who also

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<v Speaker 3>has three kids, and I was saying, how the baby

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<v Speaker 3>is upside down, So the baby's breach currently, which is

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's fine, There's still plenty of time for

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<v Speaker 3>it to spend. And she was saying, oh, don't worry

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<v Speaker 3>about it. Like when you've had your third kid, your

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<v Speaker 3>womb is so stretched. She's like, when I went to

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<v Speaker 3>the obstetrician, the obstetrician told me that the baby can

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<v Speaker 3>fully stand.

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<v Speaker 1>Up at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just imagining Poppy head up near my heart

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<v Speaker 3>and feet down at the bottom of my servax and

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<v Speaker 3>just standing.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, just planking in the womb. It's weird that you

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<v Speaker 2>already referred to it with a name, Like have we

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about that on the podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone, So when we were away in Bali, I beat it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>when we were away in Bali. If you only listen

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<v Speaker 3>to the podcasts and you don't follow socials, you might

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<v Speaker 3>have missed it. We talked about how Matt and I

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<v Speaker 3>had picked a name on like a previous episode, and

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<v Speaker 3>we beat it out because like, I just assumed that

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<v Speaker 3>that's one of those things that you talk to your

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<v Speaker 3>partner about and you make sure if you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>telling everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Nation he dogs your child, he dogs the kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So it turns out that on two doting dads, Matt

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<v Speaker 3>he just needed a headline. He's just kind of casually

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, yeah, we're tossing up between two names,

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<v Speaker 3>Poppy and Penny, and Ash said he didn't like Penny

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<v Speaker 3>as much as Poppy, and so Matt was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>us too, We're going with Poppy.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the whole conversation, he fully docks.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day your child's standing up in the womb

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<v Speaker 2>is protesting you get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think we've changed the middle name.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't dogs that as well?

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<v Speaker 4>Keep something a secret, now get us a headlines. We

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<v Speaker 4>were we were going to call her Poppy Bell Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>That is cute, though, Pop and Marley and Laula had

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<v Speaker 3>picked the middle name because they really like Disney. But

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to tell her that. But we think

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to change the middle name just to really.

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<v Speaker 4>Bell does sound a lot like a flower, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>They like flowers called bells Google, I think that they're

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<v Speaker 4>both a flower.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, they're called No. One cares to the Mission

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<v Speaker 2>Bells or the Californian Poppy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>You're good as long as the middle name is of

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<v Speaker 2>California or Mission or Mission don't know, you're good.

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<v Speaker 3>Something we do need to talk about, which is far

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<v Speaker 3>more exciting, is.

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<v Speaker 2>D d career. I do have a new career. I

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<v Speaker 2>am going on tour as a dancer.

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<v Speaker 1>You were amazing, Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You always have to say that you always have to

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<v Speaker 2>be my biggest of all. You don't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>there have been times in you haven't my marriage to Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>When I met Ben, No, the marriage was so sorry don't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I hoped up with Ben. Yeah it was the

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<v Speaker 1>early days years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll just scoop us.

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<v Speaker 4>I was not supportive of you, just not, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>still willing to stand by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah all loll caino. Actually, there's a whole lot list

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<v Speaker 2>of things you guys haven't been supportive of.

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<v Speaker 1>We do love you though, so much, nice comfortely.

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<v Speaker 3>So BRIT's on Dancing with the Stars currently, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>such like nice full circle thing. I feel like, so

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<v Speaker 3>Matt did it first, then I purely did it in

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<v Speaker 3>protest so that I could you have some time to myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And then now Britt.

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<v Speaker 2>Has trailed along.

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<v Speaker 3>But you you are by far the best, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>is insane how good you are at this. And like

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<v Speaker 3>Keisha and I went and watched a couple of the

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<v Speaker 3>shows in real life and kind of everything was pre recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't ef we're allowed to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I think it's all out there because you

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<v Speaker 2>post about it at the time. So the way it's

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<v Speaker 2>done is it is recorded in advance with a live audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Because a lot of people have been writing saying I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was live. It is like you were dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is like you get one shot. The live audience

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<v Speaker 2>is there, they can put their votes in the judges

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<v Speaker 2>score you, but the end of the show will be

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<v Speaker 2>a live audience vote. Like when we're talking about finale

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<v Speaker 2>deciding the winner that is live to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what you mean is is like it's filmed live,

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<v Speaker 3>it just doesn't show on air live. And like with

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<v Speaker 3>the finale, I don't know if your season's the same,

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<v Speaker 3>but when we did it, they film multiple endings, so

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<v Speaker 3>they film if there's a possibility that you're going to win.

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<v Speaker 3>They did the same thing with I'm a Celebrity with

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<v Speaker 3>the last three contestants. Every contestant does like a WHOA,

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<v Speaker 3>I won, but you actually don't find out until the

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<v Speaker 3>night that it airs on TV whether you actually did

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<v Speaker 3>win or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. They film multiple endings again,

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<v Speaker 2>so no one on the show knows who won, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's faking it when they say that, like, no

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<v Speaker 2>one actually knows. So you do your dances, you know

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<v Speaker 2>how you go week to week, but no one knows

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<v Speaker 2>what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Because for all of those shows, I'm a celebrity, dancing, bachelor, bachelorette,

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<v Speaker 2>you can bet on them on sports bet and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different. You do know if you've won or not.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't in the sense of when money is involved,

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<v Speaker 2>when you can bet on something, they can't rig the ending.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people think these things are rigged,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe they're you know, maybe they're pushed in a direction,

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<v Speaker 2>or they're encouraging an audience to go one way, or

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<v Speaker 2>we know there's manipulation and storylines in.

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<v Speaker 1>All of those reality shows.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it comes down to the actual finale in

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<v Speaker 2>the end and a winner, when there is money involved

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<v Speaker 2>in any capacity like sports bet, you can't fake it,

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<v Speaker 2>like they have a legal obligation. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>because they donated money. I thought it's because.

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<v Speaker 4>There's like a big cash prize that they give to

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<v Speaker 4>a charity as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, okay, but if there's anything any money related

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<v Speaker 2>in any capacity, so whether it is a charitable donation

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<v Speaker 2>or whether it is sports bet and people are putting

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<v Speaker 2>money on it, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting because that was something really interesting for me to

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<v Speaker 4>learn it, Like I've been in media for a long

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<v Speaker 4>time before I actually realized, because you know how everyone's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's also rigged. It's all set up from the start,

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah blah, like you know, they all know who's

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<v Speaker 4>going to win. And I found out that when there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of money involved in terms of like gifting

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<v Speaker 4>it same as I'm as elebe dancing was the same,

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<v Speaker 4>they can't do that. They actually have to go off

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<v Speaker 4>of the audience votes. It's like a legal obligation in

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<v Speaker 4>Australia that they have to do it based off of

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<v Speaker 4>what actually comes in as a winner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The way that they can curate a result though is

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<v Speaker 3>through the Edits so encouraging the people who are watching

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<v Speaker 3>to vote in certain ways based on the way people

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<v Speaker 3>are shown on the show, so they can they can

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<v Speaker 3>definitely massage it in a direction, but they can't manipulate

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<v Speaker 3>the votes once the votes come in. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of a bit of a blanket statement across

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<v Speaker 3>free to air TV in general. At the moment, reality

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<v Speaker 3>TV in Australia used to be live. It used to

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<v Speaker 3>be a huge event that you know, we would all

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<v Speaker 3>go home after school or after union whatever, you're doing work,

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<v Speaker 3>sit down at the family and watch the finales of

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<v Speaker 3>these massive shows, and they garnered enormous audiences in the millions.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just simply not the case anymore. The opportunity of

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<v Speaker 3>choice when it comes to like streaming and everything else

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<v Speaker 3>has meant that there's not as much money and free

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<v Speaker 3>to AIRTV. There's certainly not as much money in reality

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<v Speaker 3>and live TV, and live TV is so expensive to create,

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<v Speaker 3>so filming these multiple endings means that the production costs

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<v Speaker 3>can be reduced. And that's why I mean, even with

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a Celeb, I think they saved so much money

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<v Speaker 3>by doing multiple endings rather than having them over in

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<v Speaker 3>Africa for several more days.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not even just that, it's also it's quite fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also the TV timeline schedule through a year,

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<v Speaker 2>so everybody knows when they want. When I say everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>every show or network or station they know when they

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<v Speaker 2>hope to have their show go live because it has

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<v Speaker 2>to go live against other networks. What arether shows they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be up against? When is there a free

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<v Speaker 2>period in time slots for twelve weeks of TV? That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't always coincide with having literally a Dancing with the

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<v Speaker 2>Star's Disney studio available to film, So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it's actually logistically so hard to film and air

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<v Speaker 2>shows like that, especially live, and I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing with dancing now. It was really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to find this spaces. You need all the studio spaces

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<v Speaker 2>for weeks for these couples to be practicing. You need

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<v Speaker 2>Disney studios to be free for all this time for

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<v Speaker 2>the production. It doesn't coincide with them when they want

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<v Speaker 2>things to air, and I now I'm in that world.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally understand it. But then I understand why it's

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for the audience to watch and understand because people

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<v Speaker 2>want live. People miss that, And I think it's really

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<v Speaker 2>cool to be live. If it would be live, it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be amazing, Like some of the things that did go

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<v Speaker 2>down on the show would have been amazing live.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that they're going to get edited out

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to make the cut, and I wish one day

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<v Speaker 2>we can talk about it, but we probably can't. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it's a fascinating look from the outside

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<v Speaker 2>in it the way that the TV world.

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<v Speaker 3>Works but what was that like for you watching the

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<v Speaker 3>episode and seeing because when you're doing it, it always feels

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<v Speaker 3>different when you actually get to watch it on screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on a real rollercoaster with how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>about it. And I was messaging so craiging my Dan's

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<v Speaker 2>partner lives in Melbourne, so like we were texting. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt really good in the couple of days before I

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<v Speaker 2>did it, and I was like, Okay, I know this

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<v Speaker 2>inside out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when I did it the dance on the night,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is a disaster. Like I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like I missteps, It felt like I was slow, I

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<v Speaker 2>was out of time. And if you watched it, I

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<v Speaker 2>briefly mentioned this, but you get to do a practice run,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what a practice run for you, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a full dress rehearsal. They have the lights going off

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<v Speaker 2>and they want you to feel what it's like so

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<v Speaker 2>that you can just nail it. They also need to

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<v Speaker 2>see what it's going to look like. And in the

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<v Speaker 2>dress rehearsal before I had so many disasters. I got

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<v Speaker 2>extra runs because my outfit kept coming off, my heel

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<v Speaker 2>was getting caught in my skirt. It was like ripping

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<v Speaker 2>it down to the ground. I couldn't get through the

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<v Speaker 2>dance without my skirt coming off because it just wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>made right, which is why they do it. And it

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<v Speaker 2>just rocked my confidence when I went out there, because

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<v Speaker 2>all I could think about was my clothes coming off

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Death Can I tell you though, because I was there

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<v Speaker 4>and that whole experience was actually quite It was so

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<v Speaker 4>interesting to me because obviously we went to yours, Laura,

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<v Speaker 4>but yours was at a different venue. Going into Disney

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<v Speaker 4>Studios like a bit of behind the scenes. We were

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<v Speaker 4>walking to come and see you perform, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>all ticketed and you had to get all these things

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<v Speaker 4>checked off and blah blah blah. And as we're walking through,

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<v Speaker 4>I took a selfie of all of us to send

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<v Speaker 4>to you to be like, we're here, can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>To see you.

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<v Speaker 4>The security came over to me and they were like,

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<v Speaker 4>you cannot take any photos here.

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<v Speaker 2>You must remove that. They made me go into my recently.

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<v Speaker 4>Deleted and delete it from there as well, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, don't look at all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep scrolling pop.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so strange, like the whole process behind TV

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<v Speaker 4>production was really different to when we went to go

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<v Speaker 4>and see Laura. But every single one of us that

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<v Speaker 4>were there to watch you, and all of the crowd

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<v Speaker 4>as well, because we were on the family and friend's side,

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<v Speaker 4>so we don't get to vote for who we want

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<v Speaker 4>to do well because it would be very biased for

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<v Speaker 4>obvious reasons. But we kind of got to speak to

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<v Speaker 4>some of the other family and friends and all of

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<v Speaker 4>us were like, she did so well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, she was so good.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was really confused because at the time I

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<v Speaker 4>could see that you were like you were a bit rattled.

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<v Speaker 4>I could say that you were a bit like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I did it so much better in practice,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, what is she talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so good. It's different because you're not a professional

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<v Speaker 2>dance like me. Well, so you didn't get to see

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<v Speaker 2>the steps. Well, well, well I went.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was like a week later because I

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<v Speaker 4>went to three of the filmings. Once I saw you

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<v Speaker 4>dance the second time, I don't know if I'm Lola,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like giving a little bit away. I was blown away,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, oh, this makes sense why she

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<v Speaker 4>thought she was shit in.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one.

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<v Speaker 1>You also don't want to peak too early.

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<v Speaker 3>I went so as well, and she was so good, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get that mirror, bor girlfriend, hast everyone tune in

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday nights. It's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did the dance, and I was hard on myself, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still knew that I did it like pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>I put the energy and it wasn't any big mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew there a few steps. But I also thought,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's night one, like it'll be nice,

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<v Speaker 2>but it'll be fine. How far out man? They came

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<v Speaker 2>down on me a lead balloon. Everyone else was pretty nice,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have listened to this.

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<v Speaker 5>For me, you looked like you were drunk and lost

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<v Speaker 5>to the party. I'm afraid, darling. Every spin you weren't spotting.

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<v Speaker 5>There was very stiff. There was no hip action because

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<v Speaker 5>of that. It was too upright, and as Sean said,

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<v Speaker 5>your weight was too far back. You need to point

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<v Speaker 5>your feet in lifts, my darling, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>do them, you don't want to clumpy foot. But I

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<v Speaker 5>have to say I loved the amount of energy you

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<v Speaker 5>gave us and we can see the commitment that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you got to laugh like.

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<v Speaker 2>I did, do a bit of a shit sandwich.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave you a compliment at the very end, but

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<v Speaker 4>your face in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you posted this and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>slowed down, But do you see being like totally yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had If you watch it, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>watched it, have a look. I put that dance on

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<v Speaker 2>my Instagram. But I had so much fun, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get the smile off my face. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to remember going through this. I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to remember that at the time, I was having the

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<v Speaker 2>time of my life.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think there was anyone who had a better

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<v Speaker 4>time on Dancing with the Stars than Laura Burn though,

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<v Speaker 4>like that smile on.

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<v Speaker 2>Your face, it was a bit manic. I've never said anything,

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<v Speaker 2>even on your wedding day.

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<v Speaker 1>I seriously look like I to psychedelics when I was on.

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<v Speaker 2>Dancing because and you'll know, Laura, this is why, right

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<v Speaker 2>they tell you that, like if you think you're leaning

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<v Speaker 2>into the feeling, because you've got to feel the dance

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<v Speaker 2>if it's serious, it's serious, sexy, romantic, romantic, happy, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're like, you've got to do that feeling on

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<v Speaker 2>steroids to get it across on TV. It's like Ott,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think Laura took that a little too far.

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<v Speaker 3>No, to be honest, And in my defense, I actually

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<v Speaker 3>did have the time in my life, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>the reason for that is because, I mean I probably

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<v Speaker 3>talked about it before. I was so in my head

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<v Speaker 3>when we did Bachelor, Like, I did not enjoy the

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<v Speaker 3>experience at all, even though now I look back on

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<v Speaker 3>it and I can see that there were so many

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<v Speaker 3>things about that experience that were just absolutely insane, so wonderful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I could go back and do it again

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<v Speaker 3>and not have been so negative about it the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>So obviously now easy to say that it was a

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<v Speaker 3>great outcome. But I really went into doing Dancing with

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<v Speaker 3>the Stars because I've only done the two reality shows

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<v Speaker 3>that I went into that experience and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care what happens. I'm just here to have

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<v Speaker 3>a good time. I'm not a professional dancer. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>care if I suck, but I will care if I

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<v Speaker 3>am so hard on myself. And then I look back

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<v Speaker 3>on another experience and I didn't enjoy it because I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't just like see the joy and the fun in it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it really changed my mindset around it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had so much fun. And that was the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>I kept saying to you, Britt, I was like, please

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<v Speaker 3>just enjoy it, because you will regret not if you,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, six months time when it's all over and

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<v Speaker 3>you wake up and you're like, oh, that was so hard.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've kind of fucking hated that I didn't just

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate what it was in the time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, I'm a bit of a reality TV

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<v Speaker 2>e vet now definitely done the rounds, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is anything else left?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there?

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<v Speaker 1>Come? You've got a prenovation show the block? Oh what

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<v Speaker 1>else is there?

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<v Speaker 2>Block?

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen you put flat pack furniture together. You'd be terrible, naked, afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>Or naked it alone? What was on we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about just before.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of potential, Kisha, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of potential. No, there's hips the stuff I haven't done.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joking, but I also have done a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I love reality I love it. But what I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that has given me a gift because now I

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely don't care. I just go in and like, I

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<v Speaker 2>gave this show more than I've given it any other

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<v Speaker 2>show like it was completely unfiltered me. It was every

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<v Speaker 2>ounce of energy and dedication I could have. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I trained longer and harder than I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say that anyone in there, but I'm pretty sure I

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<v Speaker 2>did because I was still working full time jobs. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else had time off their work. But I just was like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm gonna do this, I'm just gonna leave it

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<v Speaker 2>all out there on the dance floor. I'm gonna leave

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<v Speaker 2>those sparkles and sequence out on the dance floor. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's just so good. I don't expect. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't expecting. I don't want anyone. Keisha and Laura are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously my biggest supports. They are possibly making me sound

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<v Speaker 2>better than I am. I don't want anyone to think

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm gonna go ahead and be a superstar. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I will say is like I fucking tried so hard.

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<v Speaker 3>All I have to say is watch out, Bindi Irwin,

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<v Speaker 3>because next you're gonna be on like Strictly Dancing or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is in the state and take me.

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<v Speaker 2>But Bob Irwin's on it now, like he's literally over there.

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<v Speaker 2>He just bypassed Australia. Your straight to America.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on Sunday nights for anyone who wants to watch it,

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<v Speaker 3>and this coming Sunday because so Britt will't be on

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<v Speaker 3>every rotating week every second week to start with, because

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<v Speaker 3>they kind of split them into group A Group B.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really edging us, I know, not.

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<v Speaker 1>To get a bit more of the Brit.

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<v Speaker 3>But Osha is on this week, and I really want

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<v Speaker 3>to see that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm yeah, I feel I've really invested

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<v Speaker 1>in it. I really want to see Osha dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So interestingly, OSHA's partner is my partner's fiance, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a real competition. Like so funny. When we

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<v Speaker 2>first started dancing the training, Osha was in like down

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<v Speaker 2>the hallway from us, because you get put in studios,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're not supposed to speak to each other. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not supposed to look at each other. And we, like

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<v Speaker 2>Osha and I've seen each other loads over the years

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<v Speaker 2>he's been on the podcast, but I never really asked

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<v Speaker 2>him this. We ran into each other in the corridor

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, look, we're gonna be working together

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<v Speaker 2>here for a little while. I was like, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>set the record straight. He goes here we go. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, did you or did you not know? I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I couldn't care less. I'm married, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care, but just let me know. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I swear to god, I didn't know. He didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that I was gonna get dumped by the honey Badger

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, because it was there was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of an assumption that like, there's no way the honey

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<v Speaker 2>Badger could have not told any of the production or.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they didn't know. They didn't know. I don't even

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<v Speaker 3>think that his management knew anyway. Moving a lot a

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<v Speaker 3>big discussion we've been having here of the last couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days, and it is something that has been playing

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<v Speaker 3>out hugely across socials recently.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys would have seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a question would online trolls troll less if

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<v Speaker 3>they couldn't do it under a cloak of anonymity. This

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<v Speaker 3>comes off the back of Indy Clinton being handed a

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<v Speaker 3>sixty four page document that outlines all of the trolls

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<v Speaker 3>that have been harassing her for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you don't know who Indy Clinton is,

0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.880
<v Speaker 2>she is a huge content creator. She's got a really

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.239
<v Speaker 2>big audience on TikTok, a couple of million. She is

0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.320
<v Speaker 2>really into the mum content. She got three little kids.

0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.520
<v Speaker 2>She won TikTok Content Creator of the Year in twenty

0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, she hosted last year, and she's very, very

0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:03.359
<v Speaker 2>big in that space.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I guess a little bit more contact on

0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.680
<v Speaker 3>her as well. Is like she was known as being

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.640
<v Speaker 3>like this very unfiltered mummy blogger, just exposing She's very young,

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.400
<v Speaker 3>she's only in her like, you know, mid twenties now,

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.399
<v Speaker 3>and she had three babies back to back, and so

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.600
<v Speaker 3>she had this like chaotic, unfiltered life that would play

0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.440
<v Speaker 3>out on TikTok. Now more recently she's come into the

0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 3>headlines because she had some plastic surgery, she had a

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 3>nose job, and the Internet was really fucking angry about it,

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and she ended up having to have some time off

0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.760
<v Speaker 3>socials because of how horrible the trolling was that she's received.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we never even spoke about that aspect. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I think is really important to note here

0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.200
<v Speaker 2>is too, is she was really open about that whole thing.

0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.439
<v Speaker 2>She documented the whole thing. It's not like she like

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 2>snuck away and tried to pretend nothing happened and said, oh,

0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I just use skincare, and you know, this is my Facebook.

0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.520
<v Speaker 2>She was really open and documented it and the trolling

0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.760
<v Speaker 2>she got off the back of it. People weren't angry

0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that she got plastic surgery as such. People were angry

0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.520
<v Speaker 2>because they didn't like her appearance. They thought she got

0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.639
<v Speaker 2>the wrong kind of nose job or there was so

0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.840
<v Speaker 2>brutally horrifically mean about her appearance.

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<v Speaker 3>More so than anything, the commentary that she receives would

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.879
<v Speaker 3>be unrelenting, like when you've got millions of followers. But

0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.119
<v Speaker 3>she said that people loved her when she was just

0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 3>a hot mess, when she was the most depressed that

0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 3>she's ever been, in the trenches of motherhood. And she said,

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.240
<v Speaker 3>and now that she's coming out of that, she's got

0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.560
<v Speaker 3>time for herself. She's exercising, she's really proud of the

0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.120
<v Speaker 3>way she looks and her body. And then she's also

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.320
<v Speaker 3>gone and had this plastic surgery done. She's like people

0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.560
<v Speaker 3>have started to hate her. That's how it feels online

0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 3>that people hate that she's no longer suffering and that

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.640
<v Speaker 3>she's enjoying the person that she is and stepping into

0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.920
<v Speaker 3>herself again. Now going back to this sixty four page report,

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.360
<v Speaker 3>this is the outcome of enlisting a private investigator who

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:47.119
<v Speaker 3>was spent three months getting the information of the trolls

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 3>who have been harassing her for some of the months,

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 3>some of them years. These trolls, and this is the problem, right,

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.359
<v Speaker 3>Like we have an understanding or a thought that like

0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.639
<v Speaker 3>trolls just these people who sit in the basement writing

0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.679
<v Speaker 3>awful things who have really depressing, awful lives. But what

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 3>she's discovered is that it is quite a few mums

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.680
<v Speaker 3>themselves who are doing this. A lot of these women

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.679
<v Speaker 3>who are trolling her and have been harassing her for

0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 3>years actually live in Melbourne. She said that she has

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 3>so much information around them that she knows the hospitals

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 3>that they were born in, She knows the names of

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 3>their gynecologists. Have a little listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally know every detail, down to your ABN and

0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.680
<v Speaker 2>down to where you gave birth at Francis Parry.

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.919
<v Speaker 1>Hospital, even to your gynecologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Another beautiful troll of mine, you regret your evil eye

0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:37.679
<v Speaker 2>teto you got when you were eighteen.

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.680
<v Speaker 1>You know what I regret a tatoo I got when

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<v Speaker 1>I was eighteen two.

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I have a moon, but I feel like with an

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 2>evil eye, it's meant to look after you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess if you're trolling, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been a huge outpouring online from other influences who

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 3>have probably experienced very similar things but have never known

0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.239
<v Speaker 3>or been able to do anything about it because for

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.240
<v Speaker 3>so long, these trolls and people who write horrible comments

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.160
<v Speaker 3>have been able to get away with it because nobody

0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.960
<v Speaker 3>knows who their identity is the fact that she has.

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Made the statement that she now has information of who

0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.879
<v Speaker 2>the trolls are, but she isn't going to release it

0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:17.480
<v Speaker 2>publicly has also caused quite a controversial stir online because

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are saying, well, why do they

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.080
<v Speaker 2>deserve the anonymity now that you know, like they've spent

0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 2>years trolling, you dos them put their information out? You know,

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like as in like pay it back? Personally, I quite

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.399
<v Speaker 2>like that she's taking the higher road, and she is

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>saying I'm going to take the higher road. It would

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.120
<v Speaker 2>be quite contradictory of her to then go and dox

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 2>these people to two million people of her followers, like

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.439
<v Speaker 2>that is going to cause an onslaught of people to

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.680
<v Speaker 2>go to these whoever they are that she has said

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:45.640
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of them are like mums from Melbourne

0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 2>for example. Do I think she's going to do something

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.480
<v Speaker 2>with this information. Absolutely, I think she is going to

0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:52.719
<v Speaker 2>take a private road. I'm sure she is going to

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 2>get her lawyers to send cease and desist to them privately.

0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she's going to threaten legal action to them

0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 2>privately in hopes that it stops. She hasn't on this

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 2>for no reason, but it will be interesting to see

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 2>if she ends up taking any of them to court. Personally,

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I like that she isn't going to go and rinse

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.640
<v Speaker 2>every single one of them. On to her two million followers.

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, we all have kind of slightly different opinions

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.120
<v Speaker 3>on this, and like I think we can get into

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 3>the conversations around like what are the consequences for being

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 3>a troll online? But the reason why we wanted to

0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.640
<v Speaker 3>talk about this We know that India's being covered quite

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 3>a bit in the last couple of days and I'm

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 3>sure a lot of you are across what has happened there.

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 3>But this has also come at the same time as

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 3>another very big movement in terms of online trolling. So

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 3>there is a website that up until recently I did

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 3>not even know exists, and then we talked about whether

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 3>or not we should even shine a light on it,

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 3>whether it was just pointing I guess like more eyes

0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 3>towards a website that really is like not worth the

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 3>fucking space on the Internet that it takes up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the cesspit of the Internet.

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But it's called tattle or tattle Life.

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 3>So for those of you who don't know what tatle

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 3>life is, it's an online gossip forum and it has

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 3>literally aless threads featuring any influencer that you can think of.

0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 3>There's a very big portion of it that's UK based.

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:08.639
<v Speaker 3>But the reason why it was originally created is it

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 3>was created as a way to try and keep influencers

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.400
<v Speaker 3>responsible in a very unregulated space. So for influencers who

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 3>were monetizing their content, maybe they were using their children

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 3>online in their content as well. It was a place

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 3>for kind of like vigilantes, I guess, to get together

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 3>and talk about the problematic nature of it. Now I

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 3>would say it's very much regressed from that. And because itself,

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 3>tadle Life is highly unregulated, it really is just a

0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 3>cesspool of people's nasty comments and nasty trolling.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think we're even being too nice. It's fucking

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>disgusting and abysmal and should not exist. Like it is

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the worst place you could go to on the internet.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 2>It is horrific, it's malicious, it's fabricated, it's not real.

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.440
<v Speaker 2>There's death threats, there's do scene and it has always

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>been run by one anonymous person. Don't know if it

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>was a man a woman, what they did, who they were,

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 2>their age.

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, the person who had been running it and creating

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 3>it was under the pseudonym of a female, and I

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>think because women also have this, like there's this expectation

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 3>that women are the ones who gossip, right, So it

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 3>just kind of made sense that it was a female

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.719
<v Speaker 3>behind Tadle Life. The person who created it is actually

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 3>a man. His name is Bashton Durwood, and he himself

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 3>was an influencer and a content creator. He's the owner

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 3>of a company called Nest and Glow.

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 2>He's a vegan and vegan like vegans, vegan vegan, but

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 2>vegans always really I should say always, they're not but

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 2>like you think that they're really good people and they're not.

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 2>He's the ultimate sorry vegans are He's the ultimate troll.

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 3>The reason why his identity has become known is because

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 3>there is a couple in Ireland, Neil and Donna Sans

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Now they have been the victims of this online trolling

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 3>and abuse because of Tattle four years. This has been

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 3>a three year court case that's finally resulted in not

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 3>just his identity being unmasked, but he's being charged with

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 3>three hundred thousand pound in payments towards him and also

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 3>paying all of their legal.

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Fees, which is a huge amount of huge sum as well.

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Now the king of anonymity has been unveiled and from

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 3>there it is going to filter down. And one of

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 3>the things that the judge said, a day of reckoning

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 3>will come for those behind tatle Life and for all

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 3>of those individuals who post it.

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:22.719
<v Speaker 1>On tatle life and contributed to it.

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 4>I love this and I think for anyone who follows

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 4>any type of influencer around the world. Over the weekend

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.640
<v Speaker 4>there was this real collective strength in people posting. Whether

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 4>it was Australian people saying well done Indie, you're going

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 4>after these trolls, whether it was people from the UK

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 4>who had been quite literally abused because of this tatle

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 4>life website. They were all just coming out being like, good,

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 4>finally we are taking back.

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>A little bit of power.

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 4>There's a particular woman by the name of Carolyne hearns Now.

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 4>She was a victim of tattle Life, this UK based website.

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 4>She's fifty five years old. She's an aesthetician and beauty writer.

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 4>She's actually been labeled as Britain's most powerful beauty expert.

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 4>She's got a huge following. It's seven hundred and eighty

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 4>three thousand followers On Instagram. She posted a whole set

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 4>of stories about, you know, the unveiling of the person

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:12.479
<v Speaker 4>behind taddle Life being this bastion deerwood guy. And it

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 4>was about seven minutes. So I've cut this down just

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 4>to save a little bit of time. But this is

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 4>what she had to say about the whole incident.

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 6>If you have never frequented or been made aware of

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 6>that particular troll site, it was a hate filled demonic

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you've never known the like. This isn't people

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 6>just saying she's a fat, ugly hoe. That's nothing. That's

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 6>like very twenty ten. This is systemic, persistent, consistent abuse,

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 6>death threats. You've never known anything like it. You wouldn't

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 6>think it existed had you not seen it with your

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 6>own eyes. I mean it was all fabrication. People would

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 6>literally go on there and go I used to work

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 6>with her, and she holds Satanic rituals in the basement

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.199
<v Speaker 6>of her building in Carnby Street, and people go, oh,

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 6>my god, does she We should go and get the police,

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 6>we should stop her. Like you've ever had an office

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 6>in Carnby Street or a basement, or you've ever had

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.959
<v Speaker 6>a Satanic rich Well, this is how ridiculous it was.

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 6>But then it took a twist and they started going

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 6>after children. They only took down the multi, multi double

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 6>digit page threads about deb the bow Babe the day

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 6>she died.

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's sick.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 6>And then they came after my family. They published my

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 6>mortgage deeds, They published private documents that you'd have to

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 6>go into a website to pay to download. They paid

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 6>to download them and then publish them. They posted pictures

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 6>of my granddaughter in my home. These people are vile

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 6>pieces of shit. The other thing is, if you've ever

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 6>been trolled, just take heart and know that it's always

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 6>someone more pathetic and sad than you will ever be.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 6>And the proof is in the pudding because one of

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 6>the stupid bitches who trolled my family was someone we knew.

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 6>It was clearly by what she'd written, and she was

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 6>easily identifiable a mum from their school. And the reason

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 6>I'm telling you this is because she was the vicar's wife.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 6>My point is, this isn't people overreacting to like a

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 6>just a basic troll website. What this site did was

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 6>take your life, strip it back to the carcass, put

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 6>every piece of your life online, dissect it to the

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 6>nth degree, slag you off in ways that you didn't

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 6>even know where possible. But know this, if there is

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 6>any way we can find out the posters, I will

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 6>happily out you. I don't give a shit. I will

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 6>go broke if I have to. If I know who

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 6>you are, and it's proven that you are who you are, baby,

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 6>your face is going on my socials. So I just

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 6>want to finish by saying a huge congratulations to Neil

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 6>and Donna Sands who took on Tattle and won whatever

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 6>they need. Help wise, I'm here, We're all here. You've

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 6>fucked with us all for too long. Those of us

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 6>with means. I'm happy to help them in any way

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 6>I can to bring you down. And anyone who's lived

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 6>on that troll site for years, I hope you are

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 6>shitting yourself. I hope you are. I hope you have

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 6>the rest of you had a lovely weekend, because I'm

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 6>going to sleep with bells on my toes.

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Bless sir. And this is a good thing, right, She's

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 2>absolutely minted, this woman because she's so successful, and she's like,

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>fucking be afraid because I'm going to bring you down.

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 3>This is the problem though, right, Like the thing is,

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 3>these are people who have the resources to do something

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 3>about it. And I think that that's something that Indy

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Clinton has proven, Like she has the money, she has

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 3>the ability, she has the time, and she hired a

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 3>PI investigator for three fucking months to go after these people,

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>and she's able to do something about it, whereas for

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 3>so long, I think so many people just thought, oh, well,

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 3>we can say these things.

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>It's my opinion, I get away with it.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think this is where the conversation becomes

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>even more interesting, is there's a lot of people that

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>are saying, well, you know, you're in the public eye.

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>You chose this life. This is part and parcel. You

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be so offended if someone has a difference in

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>opinion to you. That's not what this is. And Carolyn

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>really specified that there. She really honed down on exactly

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>what specifically Tattle is. It is not someone having a

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>difference in opinion. It is not just your average troll site,

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>which is bad enough, or your average troll comment. It

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>takes it to another level where they are out in

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>your addresses, your mortgage, personal details, your children, your grandchildren,

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the schools they go to. There was one woman in

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 2>relation to Tattle who had only ever made five hundred

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>pound on Instagram, Like she wasn't an influence. That was

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 2>raking in millions of dollars, which is what the sole

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>purpose of title said. It was right, so that's like

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a thousand australlion dollars. Ever, she was pregnant. She was

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>completely doxsed. She wrote to Tattle and she said, hey, like,

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm scared for myself and my unborn child. I think

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>someone's going to break into my house and kill us.

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>She had to take a week off to deal with

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the anxiety. Please take this thread down, saying where I live.

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>The people that are hating me in send me death threats,

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't. And of course, if you're in the

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 2>public eye, you are always going to be open, and

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you should welcome constructive criticism. You should welcome a different

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 2>sce in opinion. You should be able to have those

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:52.719
<v Speaker 2>conversations if that's all it is. But this is not.

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 2>This is that on steroids.

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 4>I just think what is so fascinating to me is

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 4>that for so long, and I've seen you guys both

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 4>with it independently and together through our work, people have

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 4>just been able to get away with whatever the fuck

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 4>they want to say online and they can have twelve

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 4>different Instagram accounts. It's completely anonymous, you can't trace it back,

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 4>and it's kind of just been to put your hands

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 4>in the air and go, oh, well, well, what can

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 4>we do. I love the fact that now, with technology

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 4>the way that it is, and people who have the

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 4>money and the resources, they're actually able to do something

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 4>about this, because it's just been such a consequence free,

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 4>awful thing that so many people have had to deal

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 4>with for years. And like Carolyn said, this is not

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 4>just oh you're an ugly person or I don't like

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 4>that outfit.

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 3>Which that does exist on there as well, And that's

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 3>not what we're talking. Like, we know that there are

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 3>forums out there that just says mean things, and like

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 3>I could not care less about that. It's not nice,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not saying that it's okay.

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't have to like my wedding dress. You

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>can tell me I look stuga whatever.

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 4>But do you think that people would say as many

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 4>of these things, even like the whole vast range that

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 4>goes from just saying a mean comment to saying something

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 4>that is completely you know, illegal or doxing, you know

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, there's a whole variety of things.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that they would do it if there

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>was a chance.

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 4>That they could be caught out, that they could be

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 4>traced back to who they are, and that could be

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 4>exposed to the people in their lives, People would be

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 4>way more considerate with what they actually write.

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>The reason why people are able to write whatever the

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 3>fuck they want with the level of venom is because

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 3>there's no consequences. And I think, you know, if there's

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 3>the possibility that's going to get sent to your work

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 3>or it's going to get sent to your family members,

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 3>like imagine finding out that your auntie spends her fucking

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 3>every second night on a website bitching about some influencer

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 3>online who she doesn't know what a los are.

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Imagine finding out your partner did.

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>You would be so embarrassed to know these people.

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>They are the people that's justus a dad. No, but

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>he's a dad and an influencer and a normal person

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 2>and a chef, and he makes money off it, and

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 2>he's a vegan and he's all fucking but I'm just

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>listening what he is. But that's what I'm saying. They're

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the people that you don't expect, do you know. It's

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 2>like they often say, it's people in your world, your sphere,

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>or your realm that you might have worked with or

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 2>worked in the same spaces or have a similarity, and

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 2>similarity is in terms of like maybe you're all mothers,

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Like it's other mothers trolling mothers. It's people in that world.

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Do we think this is going to change anything? And

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>that is the big question. I would love to see

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 2>more people doing this, more people being able to take

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>action and find the funds to go down this track.

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 2>But this was the fact there's a three year lawsuit, Yeah,

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>with millions of dollars that people don't have, and like,

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>let's be honest, Laura and I have experienced this, like

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Keisha said, We've experienced this so many times with completely fabricated,

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 2>malicious stories, Like there have been things written and said

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>about Laura and myself that we look at each other

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, where did they even get that from?

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>And they're defaming They are horrific. Laura and I have

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 2>sought legal action before, we have sought counsel. We've spoken

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to people saying, hey, like just so we know what

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>options can we have here, and like let's talk about it.

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 2>I know other people in this space, we all do

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that are also doing the same thing simultaneously.

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Like this is.

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Happening more and more, and I do hope that we

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>see a bigger change and maybe it will result in

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.720
<v Speaker 2>some further legislation. Maybe it goes back down to Google

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and Meta and everyone else that maybe has a bit

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>more responsibility on what they are allowing on their sites.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's a long way away.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I think the disappointing thing is I'm not convinced that

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 3>this will shift the dial I am excited by the

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 3>fact that, like Indie for example, she's clearly been very

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 3>affected by what she's experienced. I am excited for her

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 3>that this creates some sort of psychological piece for her, and.

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:34.240
<v Speaker 2>We've got your back, Indie.

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's able to I guess, get some sort

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 3>of solace. I don't think that it will shift the

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>dial across the board, because like companies like Meta, the

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 3>foundation of how they make income is to have as

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 3>many users on their site as possible. They do not

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 3>care if you have seventeen accounts one, two, three, four, five, six,

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 3>And it's actually of detriment for them to clean up

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 3>anonymous accounts because it then looks like the overall volume

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 3>of users on their accoun smaller, like on the platform

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 3>is smaller, and that then affects their bottom dollar. They

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 3>want to seem to have trillions and trillions and trillions

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>of users. So I mean, if they wanted to clean

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 3>up anonymouscounts, they could. If they wanted you to put

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 3>an ID or a you know, put some sort of

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 3>personal information to your accounts, they could do that. They

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 3>often argue the case that it could be then a

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 3>breach of privacy and then they're holding all this personal data.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 3>They've got your data anyway, they have so much more data,

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 3>they'd TikTok.

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Owns you totally. They have all your data.

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 3>So like if you're using if you're using TikTok, if

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 3>you're using Instagram, them asking for a fucking copy of

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 3>your license and then a photo of you alongside. It

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 3>is not going to be the thing that saves you

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:42.760
<v Speaker 3>from having your data stolen.

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>It's already all there.

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think that it's going to shift the

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 3>dial hugely. What I do think it's going to do

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 3>is for those people who are influencers, who have the

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 3>funding and the means, and who are aggressively and horrifically trolled,

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 3>and who do experience things like doxing and things that

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 3>are highlight level trolling. I'm not talking about you're calling

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 3>someone a horrible names, but your high level trolling. It

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 3>will give them the confidence to know that there's something

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 3>they can do about it, because it shows them the

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 3>route that someone else has taken and the positive outcome

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 3>that that person has had. The question I have for

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 3>you guys, though, is what we've just discussed at the beginning.

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Is it equivalent when an influencer who has millions of

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 3>followers millions and millions of eyeballs and a lot of

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 3>people who clearly back them. In the case of Indie,

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 3>find out who their trolls are and know that it's just,

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's some mum who's got four kids, who

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 3>lives in suburban Australia, who is in a job that

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 3>doesn't fulfill them. Is it an equivalent sort of retribution

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to post their image their face publicly on social media,

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 3>because what you're doing is you're sending your millions of

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 3>followers to that one person as a consequence for their actions,

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 3>but they don't have any ability to defend themselves. I'm

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of laughing here because we've spoke about this before

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 3>we started recording an Eye quite differently to the two

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 3>of you, and I just want to make it really clear.

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 4>And he's not doing that as you guys have said.

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 4>She's choosing to not release that information. And my immediate response.

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Was fuck them, Fuck them.

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 4>Like they have caused so much harm that are actually done.

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 4>And this is not like you said, It's not like

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 4>one comment. This is relentless. This is like consistent abuse,

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 4>and I just wonder why the fuck they've been able

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 4>to get away with it for so long. And the

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 4>thing that you were just saying about meta that I

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.839
<v Speaker 4>find really interesting is that we're talking about, you know,

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 4>this debate of what's a bigger priority of privacy or

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 4>whether we should have some type of like traceable accountability

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.919
<v Speaker 4>on these social media platforms. We're talking about in terms

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 4>of influencers, we're talking about in terms of adults.

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.720
<v Speaker 2>This also extends to bullying of children.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 4>Like and I, we're seeing the Australian government be like

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 4>front runners in bringing in this social media age of

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 4>sixteen that users have to be I would love to

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 4>see Australia be a front runner in going the effect

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 4>of cyber bullying are so horrific that it is a

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 4>bigger priority than what we think your privacy is on

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 4>these apps. We're actually going to bring in a system

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.800
<v Speaker 4>that you have to have a traceable government ID attached

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 4>to these accounts, so that if you are the person

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 4>who is doing this, if you're the person who is

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 4>relentlessly bullying and attacking certain people online and sending horrendous

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:23.959
<v Speaker 4>things and doing horrendous things, you're going to be held

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 4>criminally responsible for it. I know it's extreme, I would

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 4>support it to the ends of the Earth. I would

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.800
<v Speaker 4>sign my name on any change dot org because.

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 2>The effects on a few burner accounts I don't like.

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 4>The effects of this stuff can be so severe, and

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 4>I think it's really beautiful that you guys both have

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 4>so much empathy for the trolls in this situation, especially

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 4>considering that you've experienced it.

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I find it's not right. I don't have empathy for

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the trolls. My thing is it's not black and white.

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>There are people that I post on my Instagram if

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I think enough's enough or whatever, but I don't usually post.

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it comes with its imitations. Quite often, I

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 2>will share a comment to my story that someone has

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>written publicly from their profile. It's already there for people

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to see.

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, But it's not doxing someone.

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doxing them. They've said it, their profile is public.

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Anyone can go and look at it. Sometimes and sometimes

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:16.439
<v Speaker 2>I do it to laugh at it. I don't say

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hahaha, this is funny.

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Whatever, but it's still rude.

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>But when I have a problem with it is when

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 2>there are people with huge followings that are sharing private

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 2>conversations that are doxing people that might be not even

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>quite involved in whatever the issue was. They're like surrounding people.

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>They're people that are guilty by association, and when it's

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>quite malicious and aggressive and it's very intentionally, hey, like,

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 2>let's set out all my followers on this person. I

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>do have problems with that because I've been on the

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 2>receiving end of hate before, and I know what it

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>feels like. And I have a thick skin and I

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 2>get it all the time and I'm aware of it,

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 2>and I still know what it feels like. So there

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>is a part of me where if someone has just

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 2>written something that they don't agree with you, maybe it

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 2>is rude, and then your dogs in them and then

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of people going to abuse that mum

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne of three, Like, I just know what it

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 2>feels like. So I think, if you don't have to

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 2>take that avenue all the time, don't tattle fucking docks,

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 2>every single one of them. That is a cess pit

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 2>and that is next level. So I don't care about that.

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's not that I have sympathy for trolls, but

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I am hyper aware of the consequences of a pylon

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and a public cancelation.

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe my opinions on it has changed over the years.

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 3>When I was in the thick of the nastiness, which

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 3>was there was an old forum long before Tattle, and

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 3>it was called the Batch and Batchett Forum, and it

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 3>started off as a sleuthing site, but it really was

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 3>just pages and pages, hundreds of pages of horrible, horrible

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 3>comments about every single contestant on The Bachelor. It's really

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 3>prolific in the US. Obviously it probably doesn't exist in

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Australia anymore. But it rattled me and it rattled my

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 3>mental health really badly. I since then and since I

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of like got over that part of my life,

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I didn't read it and feel dad or angry or anything.

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I read it and I was like, wow, you and.

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I I look, some people might think this is being harsh.

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 3>I read it and I was like, if you have

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 3>the capacity to spend your time talking in this way

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 3>about influencers who are out there living their life and

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:23.760
<v Speaker 3>they're happy, and you're spending your time so obsessed watching

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 3>their stories, writing about their lives, trying to unpick the

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 3>things that you think you know about them, you are

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 3>a loser. Not only are you a loser, you have

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 3>a parasocial relationship. You might deny it, you might not

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.879
<v Speaker 3>think it's a parasocial relationship, but you're obsessed with them,

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 3>and it's just a negative one.

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the exact same thing.

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 3>You're a mega fan, just a weird, shitty one. And

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 3>to me, that is such a sad place to be.

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I kind of just feel sorry for them,

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 3>to be honest, I do.

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 2>The problem is that's a really privileged I love that

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 2>you feel like that, and my skin's thick now, I

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 2>love that I feel like that.

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a very privilege.

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.240
<v Speaker 3>It's taken years, eight years to get to this place

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 3>of it not affecting my mental health and not caring.

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Now it just a really genuine life.

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 4>They both have a lot of grace in these situations,

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 4>whereas like, I'm probably not as far down that line

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 4>because I've only seen it affect people that I love.

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I've only seen things written about the two.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's been few things written about me that

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 4>are completely fake as well, but I've.

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Seen the harshness of it.

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 4>And that's why I feel like I do sit a

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 4>little bit differently with this exposing the trolls, because I'm like,

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 4>there has to be consequences for them, and if there

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.879
<v Speaker 4>is consequences for one of them, will that then set

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 4>the president? Is the threat of someone being exposed enough

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 4>to make people who were doing this stop?

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.879
<v Speaker 2>The threat isn't. No, I don't believe that. I don't

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 2>believe just the threat of like, oh my god, I

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>could be next probably excites them. They probably get off

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 2>on it.

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that anyone's stopping at the moment.

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 4>No, do you reckon that if Indy were to turn

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 4>around and go, well, these are the names and the

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 4>people and those people lost their jobs, their.

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Family were ashamed of them. Yes. Do you then think

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 2>that people who are trolls would go, oh, that could

0:43:58.200 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>be me next.

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I do think that if Indy actually did take that

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 3>stance and started to publicly show their faces, I do

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 3>think that that would have it would have an impact

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 3>for a period of time, because you know, like we

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:11.919
<v Speaker 3>know with everything that happens in the media, it has

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 3>like a hype reaction. Everyone kind of like latches on

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 3>and it has a momentary impact and then everyone goes

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 3>back to the way that it was. My only thing, though,

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.760
<v Speaker 3>is is that consequence? Does that consequence for those individuals

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 3>outweigh the overall good that that does, because I would

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 3>dare say that if Indy did expose the names of

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 3>these Melbourne mums who have been saying and doing horrible things,

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 3>they will lose their jobs, they will be affected. The

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.359
<v Speaker 3>amount of trolling that they will receive. I actually think

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 3>it would have such severe psychological impacts on them and

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.879
<v Speaker 3>they are not prepared for it because they've not had

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 3>years of growing into a social media space. They would

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 3>just fucking crumble under that.

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then I think there are plenty of those

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 2>trolls that have contacted influencers jobs and lost their work.

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>They're contacting the per they work with, charities they work with,

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>They're taking away their livelihood. That's what happens on tattle.

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 2>It's what happens, not on title Like, there are definitely

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 2>people in Australia that contact people's work and trying to

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.479
<v Speaker 2>get them to lose work. In that case, fucking yeah,

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 2>maybe you do have to lose your job if you're

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>causing other people to lose their job. Actions have to

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>have reactions and they have to have consequences. It's so

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 2>hard to say whether or not the good outways are

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:24.840
<v Speaker 2>bad or the bad. Outways are good in terms of

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 2>having repercussions if you're out someone and what happens to them.

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 4>There's also not a halfway punishment, no, which I acknowledge.

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's kind of an all or nothing, which

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 4>is hard to kind of find peace with.

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess I just yeah, I don't know.

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.479
<v Speaker 4>Both of these stories coming out at exactly the same

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 4>time has given me a bit of gusto to be like,

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 4>maybe there is hope that cyber bullying will shift in

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 4>the future.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 2>And maybe I'm being a little bit.

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Like glass too full in that kind of thought process,

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 4>but I've just seen this happen for so so, so long,

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.280
<v Speaker 4>with so many people hurt and affected, including children, including

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 4>teenagers who have ended up taking their lives because of cyberbullying,

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 4>and I.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I just don't accept the fact that we go, oh, well, Meta.

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't want to lose you know, users, so there's nothing

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 4>we can do about it. There's nothing that we can

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 4>do to stop these people causing more harm to other people.

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 3>And the reality is is that for as long as

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 3>tech companies kind of wipe their hands to this, and

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 3>it becomes a problem that people have to individually pursue

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 3>either through lawyers or through private investigators. That is something

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 3>that only the elite and financially wealthy people are able

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 3>to put resources to. So for you know, people who

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 3>are making an average income on social media, or maybe

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 3>they're not even making an income on social media, they

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 3>just have some followers. For those people, there's nothing that

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 3>they can do about it, and so they just have

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 3>to cop the brunt of that trolling because there is

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 3>no consequences for that middle ground, which makes it a

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 3>really really unregulated space.

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>You are not anonymous, and it's important for people to

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>know that. With the digital footprint and the advancement in

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 2>technology now, it's going to become so much easier to

0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 2>find out who you are, like to get your data,

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>to get everything about you. Remember that every time you

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>want to go and write something on someone's profile, maybe

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 2>it's your burner account, whatever it is, you can be found.

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think that is gonna start a whole new

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 2>movement of people influences across the world. They're gonna be like,

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 2>fuck it, I don't care anymore. I'm gonna also out you.

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>All right, it is time for our suck and our

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:18.760
<v Speaker 1>sweet of the week. Britt, what is your suck.

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 2>My suck would have to be. We didn't really speak

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>about it, but I did go to New Zealand with

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Ben on the weekend and it was like, incredible, my

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 2>suck would be. Maybe we'll talk about it next week.

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 2>But like how Ben is basically almost not gotten into

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the last three countries that we've gone to within like

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>a week period. So he almost didn't get into Bali

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>for the wedding. Then he almost didn't get back into Australia,

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 2>and then we got stopped. He almost didn't get to

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand. We almost canceled the whole trip. We had

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 2>to be on the phone to like border security because

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 2>of his visa shit that he feels out my head in.

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 1>You have to stop making him sound so incompetent.

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 2>He was incompetent. He filled out the visa incorrectly. They

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't let him into New Zealand. I know, but people

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.839
<v Speaker 2>are gonna being like they're not they know I love

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>a child, No, they know I love him. He speaks

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>five languages. I praise him all the time. Can the

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 2>man fill out a visa form? Evidently not?

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 1>But so my suck.

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:13.239
<v Speaker 2>When my suck was said, I was messaging Kisher at

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the time live. I was like, I just need to

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>talk to someone right now because we're not getting to

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand. The plane was like an hour. We were

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 2>boarding in an hour and we're at the desk. They're like, sorry,

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 2>your visa's not working. Takes three days to get it.

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what's the problem anyway. Brit was like,

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll see you when I get back from New Zealand

0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 2>in three days. I was like, bye, man, No, it

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 2>worked out. What I will say is a lady at

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the Quanta's desk that helped us. She like was amazing.

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>She got on the phone to New Zealand because.

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>She got on the phone to the country.

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:42.759
<v Speaker 2>She did. She got on the phone to the New

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Zealand visas because it's not a problem with him or

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 2>where he's from or what he's doing. He just ticks

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the wrong boxes.

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I think he just doesn't read it right.

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyway. He said he was an Australian permanent resident that

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 2>was going on the trip. When coming back and they

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>were like, but you're manifesting it. But then when you

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>scan the passport, it knows that you're on an Australian residence.

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.720
<v Speaker 2>So nothing matched they wouldn't approve it. So this lovely

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 2>contest worker was on the phone for ages and they

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 2>ended up like within minutes to go sorting and out

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>fixing a visa on the spot and like helping him in.

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>So that was both my suck and my suite simultaneously.

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 2>And I hope everyone knows that when a bag bent

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.800
<v Speaker 2>out like this, it comes from love. Like he stresses

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 2>me out, but I couldn't love him more. So yeah,

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that's my my suite will be just that somebody decided

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>to go above and beyond to help us and it

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 2>literally changed the next week of our life. So it's like,

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 2>that's a really cool thing.

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Well we I feel like everyone in this the studio

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 3>has a bit of a suck this week as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So Nas, who we've spoken about a little bit, is

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<v Speaker 3>our video editor and she's also been a really good

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 3>friend of mine for like the last decade. Ness is

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why I have Buster. So that's how Buster

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 3>came into my life, and we lived together as co

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.800
<v Speaker 3>parenting of Buster for a couple of years there as well.

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 2>So did when you split you took three legs, you

0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:59.799
<v Speaker 2>took one.

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<v Speaker 3>So she just keeps Buster's other leg on the mantelpiece,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like we're like we always used to refer

0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 3>to it like ness was Busty's adopted mom and then

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 3>I adopted him, and we just kind of like we

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 3>were the co parent mums that all lived together. And

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:11.319
<v Speaker 3>then Nessa's partner moved in with us, and so Buster

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 3>had three mums for a period of there. But ness

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 3>is a very big advocate for rescue dogs, and this

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 3>week she had to put down Juni, and Junie is

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:24.439
<v Speaker 3>Buster's like little bestie and just the most beautiful dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's been.

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<v Speaker 2>Very very sad, very horrific time.

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.279
<v Speaker 3>It's been very sad, and also it's like off the

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 3>back of just like really sad animal news. Keisha also

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.400
<v Speaker 3>had to do well in her family. They have a

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 3>beautiful Golden Retriever named Duke, and Duke also he was

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 3>put down in the last on K.

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 4>I was about to say, Ness'll late it this so

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to edit it, and now I'm like, no,

0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 4>we can both.

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 3>But it's also just I mean, you know, it's yeah,

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 3>and we are like such big dog lovers in this studio,

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 3>like every single one of us, and I think it's

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 3>like your family they are absolute family. Anyone who's had

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 3>to say goodbye to a pet because it was the

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 3>right time and the right thing to do for them,

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 3>like knows how incredibly hard it is. And yeah, because

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:15.879
<v Speaker 3>you give you pictures. A bit hug tonight, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely like after Nessa's news yesterday and Duke's

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.839
<v Speaker 2>news last week, I definitely hugged Delilah extra tigh last night.

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<v Speaker 3>I did kids just now and then I look at

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<v Speaker 3>Busting and I'm like, you're getting old, buddy.

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>It's ten and a half and he's real slow.

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 2>So that to Delilahs over.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, poor bastard.

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:35.279
<v Speaker 2>You're a bit chunky, Delilah. So I want to put

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:35.800
<v Speaker 2>you on diet.

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I put Buster on a diet to try and I

0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 3>was like, let's call back some years, buddy, but you

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 3>know said, I was.

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Like, all right, let's get that heart back in check.

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Where we're going to shed the He's really getting slow.

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>It makes me so sad.

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 3>My sweet for the week is is that by the

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:51.760
<v Speaker 3>time it comes out, which hasn't happened yet, but it's happening,

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 3>and I guess it's around her excitement for it. So

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:58.800
<v Speaker 3>on Thursday, it is Mally's birthday. She's turning six. How

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 3>the fuck I have a six year old? Is just

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I can't get my head around me. I feel like

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:06.719
<v Speaker 3>it's also my birthday. It's like six years since I've

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 3>become a mom.

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 2>It's the podcast birthday.

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 3>It's also the podcast birthday. So well, actually in one

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 3>month's time. I think the podcast birthday is technically on

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 3>like the fifteenth of July. But it's been really sweet.

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:19.959
<v Speaker 3>She's just so so excited. And I think this year

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 3>having a birthday, because it's her first year of school,

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 3>it kind of is a bit different because she really

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.720
<v Speaker 3>understands the concept of having a birthday party and choosing

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:29.520
<v Speaker 3>her friends that she wants to come, and like.

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.040
<v Speaker 2>She's the friends. That's so hard.

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 1>They're pretty kind at school these days.

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:35.840
<v Speaker 2>They invite the whole class.

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Not the whole class, but she's having like a lot

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 3>of the girls, like all the girls that she's it's

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of like within her group of friends. Or she

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 3>goes to after school with they all are coming, so

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 3>like they're all invited. But yeah, I do feel like

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 3>birthday parties are way more inclusive now than what they

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 3>used to be. You can't give out invitations at school.

0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 3>The invitations have to be sent on WhatsApp. You can't

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 3>like go and be like you get one, you don't

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:55.919
<v Speaker 3>get one.

0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>It's much nicer. That used to be really brutal if

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 2>you didn't one around with their lips. Oh.

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Also Christmas cards. Christmas cards are also not nice and

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Christmas ban Christmas. I remember kids would bring Christmas cards

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.360
<v Speaker 3>in and unless you're given a Christmas card to the

0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 3>whole class, don't give out Christmas cards.

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm still scarred. I was just trying to think.

0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't remember never getting the invitation,

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.400
<v Speaker 4>and now I'm like, oh, I was that wenker that

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 4>was invited to everything.

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 4>Maybe my school had that rule. Maybe ever because I

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 4>don't remember.

0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe your mom was going behind your back being like

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you invite All right, let's get out of here. Keep

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<v Speaker 2>your accent unfiltered. Coming into our Instagram Life and Cut podcast.

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 2>You can put ask uncut for your questions. Anything you

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 2>want us to know the aftermass. If we've ever done

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 2>a question for you or someone you know and you've

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 2>got to follow up, send us the aftermass. Sherry's going

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:50.399
<v Speaker 2>through them all. We're frothing them and you guys want

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to see more, so keep them coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I'm also so interested off the back of

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 3>this conversation that we've had today around online trolls and

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 3>everything else, I really would love to know.

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we should poll it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that if somebody has been anonymously trolling

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 3>someone online and they find out their identity, do you

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.720
<v Speaker 3>think that they should and I'm talking about an influenced

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 3>specifically like Indy Clinton, do you think that they should

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 3>keep that person anonymous or do you think that actually

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.240
<v Speaker 3>the consequence is if you're going to write the shit online,

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 3>then you have to face up that you said it.

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:22.840
<v Speaker 3>You are the person, and here is your identity for

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 3>everyone to know. Do you think that that is a

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.720
<v Speaker 3>fair punishment for the crime of being an asshole online?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to know people's opinions on that, because the

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:32.360
<v Speaker 3>three of us can't seem to agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's it from us, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the drill Dog Tae friends and share the

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<v Speaker 2>love because we love love