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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 1: You are our eyes and ears in the territory mixed

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Speaker 1: one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is just after ten thirty and joining us

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Speaker 2: live in the studio right now for the Big Issues,

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Speaker 2: which is proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association

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Speaker 2: and Aboriginal Loan to Operated and Community Lead Organization from

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Speaker 2: the top End to Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got Dave Tolner, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Great to be with you, Katie, good.

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Speaker 3: To see you. And we've got Damian Hale, good.

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Speaker 4: Morning, Good Wolfe, how are.

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Speaker 3: You very well?

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Speaker 2: Now, before we get into it this morning, I do

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Speaker 2: just want to let everybody know that we've just received

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Speaker 2: a message from Cam and he says, Hi, Katie, there

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Speaker 2: is a buffalo loose on the Arnham Highway just before

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Speaker 2: trip Road, so please take care.

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Speaker 5: You're getting closer to Tea. Well, it's the middle of

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Speaker 5: the day. They're not too hard to see.

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Speaker 4: At least you get at night.

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Speaker 3: Well, you used to have a job, didn't you wear

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Speaker 3: a really good job.

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Speaker 5: It's living out at Beatrice Hill where that window on

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Speaker 5: the weedlands is.

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Speaker 4: You might not I think it's w yeahs.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, so i'd have to sort of wake up

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Speaker 5: in the middle of the nights quite often sort of

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Speaker 5: hearws tooting on the Arnum Highway, nip down there, jumping

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Speaker 5: a bull, catch and nipped out and shunt them off

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Speaker 5: the road. Pretty dangerous things buffalos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and so I mean, like you said, obviously

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Speaker 2: you can see what's going on on the roads now

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Speaker 2: because it's daylight. However, still take care if you spot

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Speaker 2: that buffalo anywhere, let us know eight nine four one

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Speaker 2: one o four nine you're.

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Speaker 4: Going to do about it, by the way, Kate, if

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Speaker 4: you spot it, just.

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Speaker 3: Let people know.

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Speaker 4: Just nick out there that just do the poor exactly whisper.

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Speaker 5: That's a noise I make, very thick set up.

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Speaker 6: If you haven't got your car like you a bit

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Speaker 6: the strong, Very similar, very similar. It's like a bigger

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Speaker 6: version of the wombat. Wombats ripped the sump out of cars.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do, don't They pretty dangerous? Have you

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Speaker 3: hit them anyway?

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Speaker 4: Like drop beers.

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Speaker 3: And on that night. Let's move along.

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Speaker 2: I actually want to talk firstly about the situation that

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Speaker 2: we've seen over the course of the long weekend here

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Speaker 2: in Darwin and the and surrounds. When it comes to

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Speaker 2: some of the crime that we've seen, I reckon people

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Speaker 2: have been pretty upset after seeing that vision of the

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Speaker 2: Fanny Bay supermarket being targeted over the weekend. Most of

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Speaker 2: us have been in there. Most of us know Manual,

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Speaker 2: if we don't know him personally.

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Speaker 4: Certainly it seems to be so repetitive now.

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Speaker 5: But for Pool Manually out there, it seems to be

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Speaker 5: happen almost on a daily basis. You know, from what

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Speaker 5: I can gather, he's sort of tossing up whether he

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Speaker 5: even stays in business.

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Speaker 2: He actually said this morning on the show as well,

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Speaker 2: and I go in there quite a bit. He'd said that,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of his staff a few weeks ago

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Speaker 2: was assaulted, had a passed, a bottle smashed over his

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Speaker 2: He's also had a situation where, you know, the ladies

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Speaker 2: that are on the front counter have been assaulted.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you do sort of like I guess everybody.

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Speaker 2: Understands that to some degree, we're always going to be

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Speaker 2: grappling with some issues with crime, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, rightly or wrongly, a lot of Territorians

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Speaker 2: long term territorians like Manual and like others saying I

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Speaker 5: Well, and you sort of see the police now. I've

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Speaker 5: I said, you know what a police officer is these days?

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Speaker 5: I said, it's a glorified typist. Oh that's what they do.

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Speaker 5: They sit there and you know, everybody's got to cover

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Speaker 5: and they're like the very little time they's been out

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Speaker 3: Got more buggers out there on the weekend, they were

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Speaker 5: Run off their feet on the weekend. I mean, we had,

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Speaker 5: as you know, Katie, we had somebody come in to

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Speaker 5: Sunday night, picked it up on our security camera, and

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Speaker 5: it turns out the follow had been in almost every

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Speaker 5: photo with a fellow to to the police, but I

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Speaker 5: can't see anything all happened.

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Speaker 4: He looked about fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: And for those out there listening, Dave and I actually

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Speaker 2: live on the same street, and so our yea, our

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Speaker 2: street was targeted, you know, by by young people.

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Speaker 5: I seen Katie a photo of the you know, of

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Speaker 5: the captured video, and to see whether she'd seen anything.

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Speaker 2: You heard that heard that people have been that they'd

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Speaker 2: been targeted throughout the night as well. And I actually

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Speaker 2: went for a walk down the street to see whether

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Speaker 2: the block as well well to see whether anybody had

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Speaker 2: but it is just sort of another example of you know,

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Speaker 2: you're having to be vigilant because there are people out

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Speaker 2: there sort of trying to get.

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Speaker 3: Into your bloody home.

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Speaker 4: You have to be and things.

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Speaker 5: But you know, it had freaked me out, you know,

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Speaker 5: if I was a criminal going through the houses at

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Speaker 5: night and someone like Katie Wolf the Buffalo Bulldogger was

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Speaker 5: out there on doing vigilanti Jennies, we got.

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Speaker 6: Broken into, We got broken into and we were not

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Speaker 6: really broken into that. We'd left one of the kids

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Speaker 6: terrible feeling when you know that somebody has been in

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Speaker 6: and they threw a hammer. Actually they stole the car,

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Speaker 6: certainly there's you know, so many kids are doing great

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Speaker 6: activities for youth. Our Youth Weeks something that Counsel's really

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Speaker 4: Election to give.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of people that day if you took

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of youth doing good stuff, but there's

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Speaker 6: I think it is causing a lot of consequence, is

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Speaker 6: but we also need to give hope and to give

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Speaker 6: training and education. And you know, I think that it

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Speaker 6: was a mistake when Labor shut the wild Man River

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Speaker 6: true territories that have been here a long time, that

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Speaker 6: that sort of facility would benefit some of these young

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Speaker 6: Maybe you haven't gone to school enough, have substance abuse

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Speaker 6: abuse issues as well. I think we should go back

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Speaker 6: to that, And I think it was a mistake when

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Speaker 6: that was closed.

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Speaker 4: A bit of tough love. You're advocating tough love.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't like the words tough love or boot

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Speaker 6: camp or any of that crap.

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Speaker 4: Those kids, just some of the kids basically it wasn't

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Speaker 6: But it's I'm just saying that they need some discipline

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Speaker 6: training facility as.

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Speaker 5: Well, first labor men talking about discipline, and that's why.

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Speaker 3: We need to think about it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, like I think it would actually like

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Speaker 2: if I was the Chief Minister today, I would go

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Speaker 2: and sit down with Manuel.

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Speaker 3: I'd go have a coffee with him.

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Speaker 2: And actually here exactly how some people are being impacted

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Speaker 2: You know, like even me having a chat to him

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Speaker 2: got a staff member that's been hit over the head

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Speaker 5: To say, I have to say, like I very much

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Speaker 5: doubt that Michael Gunner hasn't been in touch with Manuel,

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Speaker 5: period that he's been the member for Fanny Bay'd have

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Speaker 5: a very close relationship with him. The question is what

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Speaker 5: issue is. You know, it is time for a bit

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Speaker 5: of tough love, bit of discipline, as likes to sort

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Speaker 5: of use the term.

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Speaker 4: But you know, we've got to get.

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Speaker 6: Back too, and we're talking about so we're not talking

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Speaker 6: or you can go this way and you're going to

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Speaker 4: There'll be plenty of kids that have had that happen

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Speaker 6: But these repeat offenders that obviously have no respect for

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Speaker 6: the law, they don't have the respect for any anyone

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Speaker 6: else's property, they're the ones that you need to grab

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Speaker 6: hold of them and say, look, guys, if you want

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Speaker 6: to keep going this way, you're going to have a

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Speaker 6: life of crime. You'll be in and out of jail.

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Speaker 6: But there's another option, and take them to the other option.

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Speaker 6: At the moment, they're being allowed to basically ignore what

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Speaker 6: of just causing mayhem.

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Speaker 4: And it needs to stop.

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Speaker 6: It's not acceptable and.

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Speaker 5: People have had but you have a look at the

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Speaker 5: we're all outraged by the footage that we saw occurring

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Speaker 4: I waved down there.

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Speaker 5: It prompted the Opposition to quickly hurry and look at

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Speaker 5: of other things where there would be responsibility put back

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Speaker 5: onto offenders. That was obviously overlooked in the in the Parliament,

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Speaker 3: So what do you reckon they're going to do? Dave,

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Speaker 5: They'll talk tough but do nothing. It's the DNA of labor.

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Speaker 5: They don't actually do anything when it comes to crime.

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Speaker 5: They're soft on crime. They've got more time for trying

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Speaker 2: Tell me what they've got to listen at this point, Hey,

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Speaker 4: Happening this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you, the police will be sitting there

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Speaker 5: lesson go nowhere. The reality is, you feel so frustrated

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Speaker 5: There's no consequence.

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Speaker 6: I think at that point where the slap on the

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Speaker 4: Will be beneficial to point a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a charatistic approach. We've probably used the

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Speaker 1: Hello Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at mixbeo

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Speaker 3: It is so well.

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Speaker 2: It is about ten minutes away from eleven o'clock and

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Speaker 2: Dave told her and Damian Hale in here with us

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Speaker 2: for the Big is shirt talking buffalos.

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Speaker 3: We were talking buffaloes. How do you want to ask?

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Speaker 2: Obviously the vaccine roll out, there's a lot of criticism

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did speak to.

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Speaker 2: The health minister here in the territory this morning and

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Speaker 3: I mean it does make you wonder though sort of.

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Speaker 2: Nationally we're talking more about opening up our borders, talking

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Speaker 2: If everybody was vaccinated, it would certainly make things a

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Speaker 5: Oh, I got to say, I really do feel sorry

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Speaker 5: it must be playing havoc with their own brains. You know,

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Speaker 5: the idea that we got this harmless disease out there

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Speaker 4: Goodness me.

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Speaker 6: There's a real wave occurring again overseas, and there is.

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Speaker 6: The thing for Australia at the moment is the fact

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Speaker 6: during winter. So there suddenly they're rolling it out. There's

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Speaker 6: a thousand GPS doing vaccinations. Now there will be four

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Speaker 4: Start doing it.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure why they have just got mass vaccination

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Speaker 4: They don't have the vaccines.

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Speaker 5: The EU's held back about three hundred thousand days is

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Speaker 5: or something like that from Australia, Well, sorry, three million

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Speaker 5: people are blaming Scott Morrison for this, but it's a

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Speaker 5: it's the Europeans. He've renegged on those contracts.

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Speaker 2: What's going to be I mean, it is going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know that we've had anywhere near the

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Speaker 5: going well, Australia looks pretty safe. Why would we be

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Speaker 5: sent in all these vaccines in them when we've got

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Speaker 5: and it is you know, you know, my view is

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Speaker 5: why panic. I mean, we haven't had a single case

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Speaker 5: in the Northern territory. Surely we've got other other concerns

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Speaker 6: Back over so we're not getting the same level of

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Speaker 2: One other thing I do want to ask you, boy,

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Speaker 2: it's about this morning Vladimir Putian in Moscow, obviously the

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Speaker 2: Russian president. He's signed a law allowing him to potentially

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Speaker 2: hold on to power until twenty thirty six, a move

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Speaker 2: that formalizers constitution all changes endorsed in.

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Speaker 3: A vote last year.

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Speaker 2: I hope no one here in Australia gets this idea.

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Speaker 6: Got it, But it just makes you think that on

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Speaker 6: election day you're often and Dave stood there and doing

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Speaker 6: and people come past and they give you a gobful

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Speaker 6: and they go, how are you going, sir or madam?

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Speaker 6: And they go, I'd be better if I didn't have

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Speaker 6: to do this crap again. I'm fed up with it,

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Speaker 6: I'm over it. I'm sick and tired of you politic.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no, worries. Wouldn't the people in Russia love

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Speaker 6: a vote? They would love that democratic opportunity to say,

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Speaker 5: I don't think they would, but I think they love

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Speaker 5: Ladd over there. He's such a means.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Australian should never take physic.

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Speaker 6: And we should all be very grateful that we can

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Speaker 2: How would we go having like, you know, the same

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Speaker 4: You probably get a bit sick of them.

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Speaker 6: We get in Australia, in Australia, you do two years

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Speaker 6: in your old.

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Speaker 2: Hatch, so we change our under pads.

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Speaker 6: Those countries can't believe, what is Australia another election? We

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Speaker 6: have another another prime Is that Austria and no Australia

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Speaker 6: land down under? Oh yeah right, change prime ministers every

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Speaker 5: I tell you what sparling boast. But you know I'd

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Speaker 5: sit there and you'd see him coming. Oh I didn't

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Speaker 5: mind it. You know you'd see him come in the

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Speaker 5: weird hippie characters.

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Speaker 4: Here he goes another attack on the Labor Party.

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Speaker 5: Good man, good morning, comrade, and you're hearing him out

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Speaker 5: of our card. You're just watch them fire up.

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Speaker 6: They've killed all of new laws around polling day because

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Speaker 6: you get on polling day now sunburn.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing, and you've got.

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Speaker 6: To be one hundred meters away, so you're waving at

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Speaker 4: Car. It's gone.

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Speaker 5: It's sort of gone to But the sensitivity of politicians

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Speaker 5: being in the job that you've got abuse. But now

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Speaker 5: everybody's offended about everything. You can't say about anybody.

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Speaker 6: Wood Drafting as a classic, knocked on this door and

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Speaker 6: Damian Hale, the labor candidate for Solomon, and she goes.

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Speaker 6: He yells out to her husband, there's a politician here.

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Speaker 6: We haven't seen one of you guys in ten years.

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Speaker 1: Come in.

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Speaker 6: So we've had a couple of four exes and I'm

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Speaker 6: We've finished the day's door knocking, and another guy yells

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Speaker 6: and Dave goes go over there and say get ador.

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Speaker 6: I said, oh, I'm Damien Hale, this old guy so

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Speaker 6: I still know he still lives in the same house.

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Speaker 6: And I said, Damien Hall, you lay mungrels. I remember

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Speaker 6: hawking and just living. To me, something just sort of

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Speaker 6: cop it. But Dave and I had a very rugged campaign.

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Speaker 6: I think I said that Dave doesn't deliver once and

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Speaker 6: Dave said, Hailey makes a lot of promises once and

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Speaker 4: Personally the TU.

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Speaker 5: We had the ETU organizer following me around dressed up

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Speaker 4: Everywhere. If the chicken suit had stiletto heels on you,

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Speaker 5: Keep an eye out for that buffalo. If you do

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Speaker 5: see it, make sure you give Cade your calls. You'll

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Speaker 5: come in and dog it buffalo all out and have

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.

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Speaker 2: That was the big issues brought to you by Kolano

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Speaker 2: Community Association