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Speaker 1: It's doctor Justin Coilson here. Over the weekend, there's been

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Speaker 1: devastating news that you have almost certainly heard about coming

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Speaker 1: out of Bondai and just horrific, tragic sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be addressing that tomorrow on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: We have a sponsored podcast today that has to go

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Speaker 1: on as per our typical planning program, but I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to highlight today's podcast. As per normal tomorrow we'll

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Speaker 1: address how to talk to the kids about this awful

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Speaker 1: tragic situation. Okay, so on with the podcast. It's the

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Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 1: Now, millennial parents are difference to gen X parents. I've

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Speaker 1: said it. I've made the call. The world is different

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four to how it was back in

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Speaker 1: the nineties when we started out parenting journey. Kylie, you

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Speaker 1: and I were born in the seventies where gen x's

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Speaker 1: that sounds so I just as I said it, I thought,

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I feel like I just choked a

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Speaker 2: You might as well said we were born in the fifties,

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Speaker 2: like it feels that.

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Speaker 1: Hold. No, we definitely work, but you know what, we're

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Speaker 1: closer to twenty fifty than we are to like nineteen

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Speaker 1: been watching our We've been watching our millennial daughter and

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Speaker 1: 's parenting, totally different to millennial parenting. That's what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today. A bunch of differences. How it's changed.

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Speaker 2: The first obvious change is the digital infusion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just social media screens.

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Speaker 2: It's literally taken over our lives.

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Speaker 1: I just think about it from it. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: the whole sharing, right, So there's gender reveals, there's Facebook

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Speaker 1: and Instagram and TikTok and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: There's family chats. Like back in the nineteen nineties, the

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Speaker 1: idea of a family chat, it didn't exist. Right.

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Speaker 2: A little while ago, I found a random box that

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Speaker 2: clearly hadn't been unpacked, and as I was going through it,

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Speaker 2: I found some old letters and when I.

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Speaker 1: Sorry pause for those of you who are younger, letters,

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Speaker 1: these things that we used to use, snail mail. I

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Speaker 2: So go on, and inside those letters were some old

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Speaker 2: photos that I had sent of the children to their

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, Like you found an iPad in

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Speaker 1: the box and there was some photos on there.

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Speaker 2: No, once upon a time you literally had you had

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Speaker 2: a film with camera, I know, and you didn't even

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Speaker 2: and get this lucky dip of photos that may or

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Speaker 1: How many photographs do you reckon have been taken of

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Speaker 1: the post, right. I mean, that's one of the huge

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Speaker 1: differences with this digital infusion family group chats, the ability to.

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Speaker 2: Share your life with other people regardless of where they live,

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Speaker 2: friction free. That's huge.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say with the digital infusion,

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Speaker 1: now that you've brought that up, is just this issue

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Speaker 2: In so many ways, it's actually information overload. If I

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Speaker 2: But now I open up my feed and clearly Facebook

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Speaker 1: back then, right, there was no such thing as Blue.

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Speaker 2: Time programming, actually time programming.

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Speaker 2: At the time, it was probably really really tricky to

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Speaker 1: It's all that content on demand. Big contrast, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I remember when our eldest was three, she used to

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Speaker 2: like that would be considered very strange.

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Speaker 1: I'm really grateful. I'm really grateful. Where we live on

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty rare. You don't see a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: And that play based childhood is a really big difference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, today it's a screen based childhood. That's the reality.

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Speaker 1: It's shifted so much comparing millennial parents to Gen X parents.

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Speaker 1: The third thing that really stands out to both of

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Speaker 2: Generally speaking, older today than they were back when we were.

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right. If we have a look at research

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Speaker 1: Just saying thank you so much for anyway, Twenty seven

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Speaker 1: This is how you apologize to our children. We had

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Speaker 1: Big differences and millennial parents. I think for the most part,

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Speaker 1: you are nailing it, doing so well. You know what,

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