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Speaker 1: Now we have extensively covered the crime crisis in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: The situation reached a shocking point on Wednesday afternoon at

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Speaker 1: two point thirty when two teenagers entered a home in

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Speaker 1: metal bar, hitting her and her newborn bub Now, the

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Speaker 1: father of the two month old baby girl joined us

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Speaker 1: on the show earlier in the week. He said he's

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Speaker 1: been overwhelmed by the support that his family has received

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Speaker 1: from the community in the wake of the home invasion.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, Leo Finocchiaro. Good morning to your

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's been a horrible time in Alice Springs. The

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Speaker 1: former administrator's home was invaded, a woman was allegedly sexually

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Speaker 1: assaulted while she slept. We know a police officer was

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Speaker 1: driven at by a group in a stolen car, and

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Speaker 1: a mum and baby seriously injured in a home invasion.

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Speaker 1: That's just the tip of the iceberg. What was your

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Speaker 1: reaction when you started to learn of the most recent

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Speaker 1: events and the crime that was unfolding in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: It's been horrific, Katie. My immediate instinct was get on

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Speaker 2: a plane, get down there and stand with the people

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Speaker 2: of Alice Springs. And we know for a very long

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Speaker 2: time that town has been abandoned. They've felt totally disconnected

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Speaker 2: from the rest of the government hearing their concerns. We've

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Speaker 2: seen crime escalating. There's been various sort of patchwork of

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Speaker 2: federal support coming in and out, which has had questionable outcomes.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a real disaster for those people, and

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Speaker 2: they just want change. And so we hit the ground

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Speaker 2: running Thursday morning last week, the police commissioner and I

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Speaker 2: immediately stood up to additional police responses, but also I

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Speaker 2: then followed my briefings with police and my update to

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Speaker 2: the community were all round table of all senior public

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Speaker 2: servants across every single agency in Alice Springs to make

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Speaker 2: sure that all of those joint operations with school attendance officers,

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Speaker 2: housing safety officers, licensing, the circuit Breaker program, through children

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Speaker 2: a safer town. To make sure that we're pulling every

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Speaker 2: government resource available to deliver better outcomes for that community.

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Speaker 1: Look, there'll be people listening this morning who will say,

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Speaker 1: why didn't you do that sooner? I mean, we know

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Speaker 1: that Alice Springs flares up every summer. We'd started to

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Speaker 1: see the signs that it was starting to flare up again.

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Speaker 1: We know that it's been a location that's had issue

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Speaker 1: upon issue upon issue. Why wasn't that happening sooner?

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Speaker 2: So we actually did bring forward Operation Ludlow. So traditionally,

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Speaker 2: sort of under the previous government, those increased policing operations

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Speaker 2: seeing escalations and offending because the laws haven't been there

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Speaker 2: to make sure we're holding people accountable. Our police haven't

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Speaker 2: been supported, so it's been a mess. So we brought

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Speaker 2: that forward. Now it needed more, and we bolstered it

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Speaker 2: as soon as we recognize it needed more. And what

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Speaker 2: we've really been able to do, which is very exciting

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Speaker 2: and different, Katie is with that Fugitive Task Force and

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Speaker 2: they've already had twenty arrests and these are high harm

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Speaker 2: Police and this is ongoing capability to be specifically targeting

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Speaker 2: those high harm offenders, those people who are out on

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Speaker 2: an excellent result. So about one hundred and forty arrest

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister over what period of time is that one

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Speaker 1: additional over what period is that?

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Speaker 2: That's justince Thursday last week, So huge numbers, huge impact

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Speaker 2: and every day we're getting reports from police and we're

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Speaker 2: driving down the number of engagements police are having, which

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Speaker 2: The Police Commissioner was down yesterday on the ground speaking

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Speaker 2: But also we've stood up very senior public servants to

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Speaker 2: lot of accountability that's been put in place that hasn't

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Speaker 2: Circuit Breaker just started Monday, Katie. We've already had families

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Speaker 2: us to save places greater. We've got six to eight

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, you said then that some of those senior

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Speaker 2: Yep, no, I'll be here, Katie, I'm working right through.

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Speaker 2: I haven't had a holiday with my family all years

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Speaker 2: next year. But I'm really conscious of making sure we're

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Speaker 2: throwing everything out this to drive as much change as possible.

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Speaker 2: So I'm on deck. The Police Commissioner is on deck

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Speaker 2: from that Christmas period onwards. We've got Deputy Commissioner Martin

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Speaker 2: Dole and Alice Springs as well. He's on deck. But

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Speaker 2: it's not just police and me, Katie. This is about

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Speaker 2: making sure Housing has strong leadership education with all of them.

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Speaker 2: So there is senior leadership right across the board and

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Speaker 1: Well, there's one area that people are wondering whether they

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Speaker 1: it was reported by the Australian newspaper that the two

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Speaker 1: hundred other offenses and bailed thirty five times, and they

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Speaker 1: whole community is asking right now, how can that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a bloody good question, Katie. And this

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Speaker 2: Of course, bail hasn't commenced yet. That will become operational

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Speaker 2: in January, and it can't come soon enough, Katie. But

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Speaker 2: and obviously the police are doing a great job are

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Speaker 2: the master plan. I've got Minister Melee giving an update

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we have to continue

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Speaker 2: to strengthen the laws to make sure that the courts

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Speaker 2: repeat offending is hideous, absolutely idious.

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Speaker 1: Chief Finister. What do you do though, if there's still

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Speaker 2: We just keep strengthening the laws, Katie, It's that simple.

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Speaker 2: So we've sent a very clear signal what direction our

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, our police are

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Speaker 2: so our reducing crime package that we passed, you know,

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Speaker 2: a couple of months ago. That was always just the start, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I want to be really clear, this is not a

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Speaker 2: range of other stakeholders. For example, there is much work

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Speaker 2: table for us, Katie. I've told the Police Commissioner that

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Speaker 2: I've told the Deputy Police Commissioner, Martin Dole. Every agency

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Speaker 1: So, Chief Minister, do you feel or I mean, are

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Speaker 1: you know, conducting those arrests and actually locking trying their

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Speaker 2: So I've been reassured by the Police Commissioner where they're

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Speaker 2: changing policing to make sure it's frontline facing. But the

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Speaker 2: Police commission has also reassured me that he'd made contact

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Speaker 2: it's ready to go. Right now is not that point.

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Speaker 2: But equally I've said explicitly everything's on the table. We

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Speaker 2: because everything stems from people feeling safe, Katie. We can't

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Speaker 2: that's unacceptable. It cannot be the case and we cannot

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Speaker 2: so that they don't become life long repeat offenders.

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Speaker 1: So you said there that they are on standby. So

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Speaker 1: Lea on that seven point plan and what you'd like

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, things have got a change. We've all had a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that work is actually being done. So Alice

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Speaker 2: So that's just being repurposed because we're using a facility

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Speaker 1: We'll certainly follow that up. Chief Minister, what is your

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Speaker 2: We stand with you. And that's exactly why every single

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Speaker 1: Leah. A couple of quick ones before I let you

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Speaker 2: This is really really exciting news, Katie. It shows that

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Speaker 1: Katie, Chief Minister on the Cyclone Tracy fiftieth anniversary commemorations.

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Speaker 1: We know that it is well. We've been catching up

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Speaker 1: Well. Chief Minister, Leah Finocchiaro, we really appreciate all the

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Speaker 2: I will continue to do that during this term of government.

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Speaker 1: We Lea Finocchiaro, Chief Minister of the Northern Territory. We

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Speaker 2: Yes, take care everyone. Merry Christmas, thank you,