1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: And good morning and welcome to the week that was 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: the first week that was for the year. Very exciting 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: to be back in here on a Friday morning and 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: joining us live in the studio and socially distanced. We 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: have got Leofanocchiaro, the Opposition leader, Good morning to you. 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Good morning everyone. It's great to be Matt, Katie. 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: And we've got Keesy and Puric the Independent member for 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: going a good morning to you. 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. So far this wet season, my property's 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: had sixty nine inches of rain. 11 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 4: Whoa wow, which. 12 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: I think I worked out was about seventeen hundred meals. 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: That is a lot of rain, just times the inches 14 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: by twenty five million. Yeah, well, there's no doubt about that. 15 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: That's an awful lot of rain. 16 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: Swelling at your piza. 17 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: And we have got Eva Laula from the Labor Party 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: in this studio of course, the Minister for Infrastructure Planning 19 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: and various other portfolios. 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 4: Good morning to you, and and we might even kick 21 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 4: off with that. So the fact that we have had 22 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 4: so much. 23 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Rain and what it's meant when it comes to our 24 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: supermarket shelves and you know, the rail and the road 25 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: being closed. We've seen the situation obviously with South Australia 26 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: flooding and ultimately meaning that parts of the Stuart Highway 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: have closed. 28 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 4: And I tell you what I think. 29 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: It was Friday last week, about this time last week, 30 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I went into one of the supermarkets in the shopping 31 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: center and was with my kids, took a bit of 32 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: a video. 33 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 4: There was nothing on the shelves. 34 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 3: Well, it's for every downside, there's an upside. So there's 35 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 3: a lot of people out here in the Northern Territory 36 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: eating a lot of meat, and they can only be 37 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: good for the primary industry and the beef industry and 38 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: the cows and the pigs and the chickens and whatever. 39 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: But I think I don't think people were as silly 40 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: as they did when we first had COVID in town. 41 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: We had our lockdown. But you know, I understand that 42 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: there are some families and people who you know, live 43 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: pay packet to pay pack it, and I get all that, 44 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: and you know that's tough. But I think we've all 45 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: got to be a little bit selfless, you know, and 46 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: just even if we have to go to the shops 47 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: every day, just take enough for you to feed you 48 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: and your children. That kind of thing. 49 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't go crazy, don't go crazy. 50 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: But there was plenty of There was plenty of tuck 51 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: about it. What is it cool a linger? 52 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: Was there coals? 53 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: No? 54 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: But is it cooler linger? And also what is it 55 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: humpty doo? 56 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? 57 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: That the meat was denuded and fruit and vegies was 58 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: pretty low. There was plenty of tuckers, bread, there was milk. 59 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: There's lots of cantucker. 60 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 61 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: I think it also from what I'm understanding and listening 62 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: to some people, is that people got a bit more 63 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: creative with their meals. 64 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: Well some yes, some un got fussy kids like I do. 65 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 7: It's an awful lot harder when you have little children. 66 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: Look, it's also very confronting. 67 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 7: I mean I came back from leave, went to Cole's, 68 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 7: walked in and there was absolutely nothing. That I stood 69 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 7: there with my jaw to the ground. You know, I 70 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 7: really thought to myself, Wow, what have people been going 71 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 7: through over this last week? And what does the future 72 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 7: look like? And I think, you know, no one's blaming 73 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 7: the Gunner government for the weather. And of course we've 74 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 7: had extreme weather events, right, No, I didn't even don't 75 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 7: start with Gutta politics so early into the show. 76 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: I know it's your style, but give me two minutes. 77 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 7: No, no, I've never blamed you for the weather. As 78 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 7: much as you like to think you're that powerful, you 79 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 7: are not. So we'll leave God to the weather and 80 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 7: I'll get back to what I was saying. So, you know, 81 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 7: as much as no one can control the weather, we 82 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 7: can control the communications to the community about what's going on. 83 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: And that didn't happen. 84 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 7: People were coming to me and I know others saying 85 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 7: why is this happening, What is going on? What is 86 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 7: the government doing? How long is it going to last? 87 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 7: So we could have had a lot more transparent communications 88 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 7: with people about what to expect and when to expect it. 89 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 7: We should have had stronger relationships with the South Australian 90 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 7: government and of course the federal government. 91 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean you say we have you 92 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: can say what you like. 93 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 7: Your government has turned back federal support for flights of 94 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 7: food to get to food bank in Alice Springs. I mean, 95 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 7: you know, it's just unbelievable. So I hope at the 96 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 7: very least there's lots of lessons learned for the territory 97 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 7: government on this one. But you know, if particularly if 98 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,559 Speaker 7: you have young children, you have family with special dietary requirements, 99 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 7: you can't get out much, you don't have a vehicle, 100 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 7: you don't have much money. 101 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: It would have been an incredibly stressful time. 102 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: We'll talk about that food bank situation. 103 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask as well, though, you know, is 104 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: it time for us to really look at seeking that 105 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: federal funding as well? And obviously it would need to 106 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: be South Australia and the territory government actually floodproofing the 107 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: Stewart Highway. 108 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 8: So yes, let's sort of back up a few things. 109 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 8: So first of all, we all and everybody that's been 110 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 8: working in emergency management while Lea's been on holidays, have 111 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 8: been working hard to resolve this situation. So this situation, 112 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 8: again Lea saying on a Facebook page, we should be 113 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 8: doing these things. This is an issue that was in 114 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 8: South Australia. It is Glendambo and Pimba which are in 115 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 8: South Australia. They're the places that are impacted. So we 116 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 8: have been working with the South Australian government. How many 117 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 8: times have you rung the South Australian Minister Corey Wingard, Leah, 118 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 8: how many times have you rung Barnaby Joyce in the 119 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 8: last monthly yourself. 120 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: So we are. 121 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 8: Working around this issue and I as I said, take 122 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 8: my hats off to the transport industry, the Transport Association, 123 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 8: everybody who's been involved in freight who have then changed 124 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 8: their freight roots. Places like Woolworths have now got nearly 125 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 8: all their freight coming out of Townsville, out of Brisbane. 126 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 8: So it is a fact. Yes, there has been unherlded rain, 127 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 8: the rain that we haven't ever seen in Central Australia. 128 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 8: People in South Australia are saying this is a one 129 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 8: in one hundred year event. They have never seen so 130 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 8: much rain in places like Andermuka. So we've had to 131 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 8: look at other roots which has been through the Barkley. 132 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 8: We're monitoring that situation very very carefully. I'd say most 133 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 8: of the shops are about seventy eighty percent back and 134 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 8: we will have to continue to monitor the situation as 135 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 8: water comes through the Berkley. But all of that said, 136 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 8: your question around the roads, So as a government, we 137 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 8: work with the federal government around Rhodes so most of 138 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 8: the Still Highway, our sections of the Stuart Highway are 139 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 8: either at one in twenty or one in fifty year 140 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 8: flood events and we will continue to work with the 141 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 8: federal government around making sure that that moves to one 142 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 8: in fifty. I've got a draft letter that I'm just 143 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 8: about to sign. I'm just doing some tweaking, writing to 144 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 8: Barnaby Joyce to say that he needs to come on 145 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 8: board around that. We have been working for all our 146 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 8: term of government around making sure the tantami gets bitamized. 147 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 8: That provides a route from the Alice Springs to the 148 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 8: west to Hall's Creek. We've also been working with the 149 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 8: federal government around the Outback Way which provides an east 150 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 8: another additional east west route, the route to South which 151 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 8: is the route to Adelaide. Again, most of the section, 152 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 8: well all the sections out are flooding at the moment, 153 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 8: are in South Australia. I've had two phone calls to 154 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 8: the South Australian Minister, Corey wind Guard. Very much a 155 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 8: cooperative relationship, very much about working with us. Andrew Kirkman, 156 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 8: the CEO of Dipple, has been working constantly with Tony 157 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 8: Braxton Smith. 158 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: When do we anticipate that road like, when do we 159 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: anticipate that it is going to reopen? I know that 160 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: there is still quite a substantial amount of water there 161 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: from what I can gather. 162 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 8: So the conversations with South Australia, and I think Steve 163 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 8: Marshall was actually and Glen Dambo yesterday. I know Tony 164 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 8: Braxton Smith, the CEO of the Infrastructure Department, has been 165 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 8: there as well. They think it will be possibly ten 166 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 8: to twelve days right, but again they need the water 167 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 8: to go down. They then need to check the underlay 168 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 8: I guess, of the road to make sure that the 169 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 8: road trains don't crause more damage than that's already been damaged. 170 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 8: And it might be that they go to singles, so 171 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 8: instead of having doubles or triples going across that section, 172 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 8: that they uncouple and take singles across. It could be 173 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 8: that they first of all for the first week that 174 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 8: they take singles back, or they do return empties because 175 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 8: if you can do empties back that will cut the distance. 176 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: So I guess there's lots of things. 177 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: Fundamentally, most people will thinking, as said listening this morning, 178 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: is I know that you've said there is a lot 179 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: of stock back on those shelves now, but most people 180 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: listening this morning who are maybe still having trouble purchasing 181 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: their milk, maybe still having trouble getting the foods that 182 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: they would ordinarily purchase, particularly if they're people that are 183 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: in isolation, which we know a lot of territories are 184 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: at the moment and they're waiting for those deliveries from 185 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: wilworts and coals. Is when do you anticipate that we 186 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: are going to get to the point where all of 187 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: that freight that we would ordinarily have arriving each and 188 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: every week will be able to do that. 189 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 8: So there's a number of factors. One Queensland, the Queensland roads, 190 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 8: the Barkley needs to stay open. So there has been 191 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 8: rain in the Barkley. Fortunately some of the well fortunately 192 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 8: the Barklays remain mostly open. So that's a variable there. 193 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 8: And as I said, these things are in other states hands. 194 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 8: So South Australian government hand Queensland's hands about making sure 195 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 8: the roads stay open. We have people in Department of Infrastructure, 196 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 8: Planning Logistics who are on National Emergency Management meetings daily, 197 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 8: who are going through these issues working with the other states. 198 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 8: So yours the answer Kat is impossible because we don't know. 199 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 8: Le has just said, I'm not God, we don't know 200 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 8: what's going to happen around it. Well for that, we 201 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 8: don't know what's going to happen around the weather. You know, 202 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 8: we can't crystal ball around that. 203 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Open. 204 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 5: I mean. 205 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 7: The other one is you've been talking for ten minutes. 206 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 7: People falling asleep at home in the it's dangerous for making. 207 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 8: The Police Commissioner has done media events every single day. COVID, 208 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 8: there has been COVID updates and the cheap and the 209 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 8: Police Commission has made announcement every single day about the issue. 210 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: Katie, I just want to raise for a couple of things. 211 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: This is not this is not unusual what's happened with 212 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: the road being cut and the rail being cut at 213 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: the same time. I can recall in past years when 214 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: we've had massive wet seasons that we lost all We 215 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: lost the VIC, we lost the we lost the Stuart Highways. 216 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 3: What it shows and what the government doesn't matter which 217 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: government it's in power. What it shows and what they 218 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: should have which if they do good, if they don't, 219 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: they should get it is to do the risk assessment. 220 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: This shows our weakness is that the Northern Territory is 221 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: very dependent upon our road infrastructure and also dependent on 222 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: getting the freight through road and rail. It's obviously okay, 223 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: but hugely expensive if you have to move food is 224 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: showing the weakness. So really a strategy has to be 225 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: developed and put in place. This will happen again in 226 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: the future, there's no doubt about it. I mean will 227 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: recall when there was that train dealer railment at the 228 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: Edith River. I think for some reason Edith flooded and 229 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: cut the road and whatever. So this will happen again 230 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: in the in the near future in the Northern Territory, 231 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: we will lose roads, we'll lose the rail and it'll 232 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: cut our freight lines. So we need to develop something 233 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: now going forward. And obviously rain proofing or whatever you 234 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: call it. The Stewart Highway is obviously part of the picture, 235 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: and ceiling ceiling other parts of the highway. But we 236 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 3: will still always have issues, so we need to deal 237 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: with issues when we. 238 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 8: Get up the national highway. This is the national highway. 239 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 8: So let's see the federal government and that will be 240 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 8: the less I write. Let's see the federal government also 241 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 8: money on the tape and put money up. So whether 242 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 8: it's the VIC Highway, whether it's a Barkley or the 243 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 8: Stuart Highway, that's Highway one. 244 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: But so you are lobbying for that either you're lobbying 245 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: to flood proof the Stuart Highway, Yes. 246 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: To see improvements in Well, I've just got one more thing, 247 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: because this shows the the and I've got looking at 248 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: it here on my phone. The Chief Minister put a photo. 249 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 4: Of his webs ask you about this of. 250 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: Trucks coming from the east, implying they are the freight 251 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: trucks coming and they're rolling in. That was a blat 252 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: lie years ago, six years ago. Now he's taken the 253 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: photo down or the post down, not before people have 254 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: screenshotted it, like people like myself. Now, if he's lying 255 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: about that kind of stuff, what else is he fibbing about. 256 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: Well, he's a pretty suspect, including about COVID. 257 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: That's about this is that it's actually it's disingenuous to 258 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: Territorians who are actually waiting and hoping that those trucks 259 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: are going to arrive and that food is arriving. 260 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: Should never have done that. 261 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it will be fobbed off as a mistake, 262 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, by someone in their social media. But you've 263 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: got to make sure that you get it right with 264 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: this kind of thing, and it is disingenuous, Like I say, 265 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: if you are a mum at home, you know, waiting 266 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: for milk in your food delivery, if you're in isolation, 267 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: as I know a lot of parents who are at 268 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: this point and they are literally, you know, saying to me, 269 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: I can't you know we're allowed to get one two 270 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: liter bottle of milk and one you know, small milk 271 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: for the kids as in you know kids that like 272 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: their flavored milk or whatever. So there are concerns out there. 273 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: So then to post a photo like that, I know 274 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: that we can have a bit of a laugh about it, 275 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: but it is very disingenuous, whether it has come from 276 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister himself or his team. A leader has 277 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: to take responsibility for anything really that goes up on 278 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: their Facebook page. All four of us need to, as 279 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: he does as well. And I do think that he's 280 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: got egg on his face this morning as a result 281 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: of that fatal and. 282 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 7: He should be condemned for that. But you know, Eva, 283 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 7: you fobbing off this as being like, oh well, ow, 284 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 7: he's of the Stuart Highway finishes here, and you know 285 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 7: that's their problem. At the end of the day, it 286 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 7: has exposed just how vulnerable we are, and it shows 287 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 7: that more needs to be done in advance. There's no 288 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 7: point you writing a letter two weeks after the event. 289 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 7: You know this is critical work that has to be 290 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 7: ongoing all the time. And to just sort of say, well, 291 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 7: the road on the Queensland side, that's their problem, the 292 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 7: road on the South Australian side is their problem is 293 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 7: not good enough because do you know who suffers the 294 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 7: two hundred and fifty thousand territorians we've got who are 295 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 7: highly reliant on those links. So it's important that it's done. 296 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 7: The communication hasn't been there. People don't know how long 297 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 7: to expect this because people will make different decisions about 298 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 7: how they cook, what they cook, how often they go 299 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 7: to the shops if they just know what's going on. 300 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to have to get one quick thing. 301 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 8: I have built thirty one bridges under my term as 302 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 8: Infrastructure Minister. I have put more money into roads than 303 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 8: any other government previously. We understand the issues in the territory. 304 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 8: About sixty eight percent of our roads a dirt. So 305 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 8: I have done leah more work than you, more work 306 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 8: than you're going. 307 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 7: Goodness around gradually somewhere women trophy. 308 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 4: Can you do that, ree? 309 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: And let's try and keep it nice. Hey, it's eighteen 310 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: minutes nine o'clock. You are listening to Mix one oh 311 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: four point nine's three sixty. It is the week that 312 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: was well. It is certainly a busy week. And in 313 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: the studio Leofanochi, A O. Keseyopiric and Eva Laula, now 314 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: we know that the COVID situation in the Northern Territory 315 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: is certainly moving quite quickly. 316 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: I think you'd have to say. 317 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: The Education Department joined me on the show yesterday and 318 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: said that there were three hundred and twenty nine territory 319 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: students reported to their schools that were COVID positive by 320 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: Wednesday night. That's across fifty seven of the territories one 321 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty schools. 322 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 4: I think that most of. 323 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: Us, now, you know, I guess six months ago, if 324 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: you said to somebody, do you know someone who's got COVID, 325 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: A lot of us probably didn't, Whereas at this point 326 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: in time in the territory it is certainly having an 327 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: impact in so many ways health wise and also for 328 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: so many of our businesses. And throughout this week I've 329 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: caught up with Alex Bruce from Hospitality NT. I've heard 330 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: from businesses in Alice Springs and also spoken to businesses 331 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: right here in Darwin and Palmerston who have really been, 332 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, crying out for a bit of a hand up. 333 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: I think you'd say it's not They're not asking for 334 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: a handout. We're talking about hard working Territory families who 335 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: really would not be in this situation by any fault 336 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: of their own. It is due to COVID. We now 337 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: know that, you know that, following on from those industry 338 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: calls and businesses business calls, that the Territory government is 339 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: going to today, as I understand EVA, announce the return 340 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: of the Territory Business Hardship Register. It was first introduced 341 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: early in the pandemic back in twenty twenty. It's expected 342 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: to see at least five million dollars in savings and 343 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: support flow on to those territory businesses. 344 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, so a nice initiative today and the Chief Minister 345 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 8: will be out later to talk about it. But overall 346 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 8: about a five million dollar package. So if the businesses 347 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 8: are jib they'll have their payroll tax waivered, they'll receive 348 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 8: a one off grant of three thousand dollars for if 349 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 8: they have employees and one thousand for sole traders and 350 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 8: they'll have their utility bills reduced by thirty percent. I 351 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 8: know as Minister for Power and Water that one was 352 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 8: very well received last year. I think there was up 353 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 8: I think it was about three point eight million dollars 354 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 8: worth of electricity reductions were made or savings were made 355 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 8: for people. So something good today this Territory Business Hardship Register. 356 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 8: As I said, I know business have been calling for that, 357 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 8: but there was some work that needed to be done 358 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 8: that's been done. So if you are a business that 359 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 8: can demonstrate forty percent reduction in turnover in either December 360 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 8: or January compared to the equivalent in twenty nineteen twenty, 361 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 8: you'll be eligible. 362 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: And I know there are a lot of businesses who 363 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: listen to this show. So if you do want to 364 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: send us a message and let us know how this 365 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: is going to impact you, if it is a good thing, 366 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: please do zero four double nine seven double one three 367 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: six zero now, Leah, I know that it is something 368 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: that the COLP was out earlier in the week with 369 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: as well, with some of those businesses really calling for 370 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: this to be reinstated. 371 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, we have been inundated with the businesses reaching out 372 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 7: to us just at crisis point of course. For the 373 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 7: last month, they've suffered the worst months trading than they 374 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 7: have in many, many years, and it's devastating. And it 375 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 7: all started sort of with the mask announcement, you know, 376 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 7: in a couple of hours before New Year's really kicked off. 377 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 7: So people have been suffering for a very long time. 378 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 7: We've stood shoulder to shoulder with those businesses in calling 379 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 7: for government to bring back the Hardship Package, which they're 380 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 7: going to do today, but also the Business Survival Fund, 381 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 7: which I understand is not part of the announcement. We 382 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 7: need these business you know, these businesses have suffered through 383 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 7: everything for the last two years. They've maintained their staff, 384 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 7: they've continued to trade, pay their bills, and just as 385 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 7: we were looking at that light at the end of 386 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 7: the tunnel, they've been dealt the biggest blow of all 387 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 7: and we want them to be there for the long 388 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 7: haul and we've got to do what we can now 389 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 7: to get through this next really what's looking like a 390 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 7: very ugly period. 391 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 4: I reckon it is going. 392 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: To be a really tough few weeks for a lot 393 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: of territory businesses because, as I said, those COVID case 394 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: numbers continue to rise. And I'm not saying it's sort 395 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: of scare mongering people, but it's more a practicality thing 396 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: that as we see more territorians contract COVID, we're going 397 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: to see more people go into isolation. Some of those 398 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: different businesses around the Northern Territory might have a staff 399 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: member who contracts COVID there then maybe worked with someone 400 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: else for four hours and are deemed a close contact. 401 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: There's all sorts of ramifications. 402 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: There's a time business I forget it's what it's called, 403 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: the one at Palmson next to the Good Time spar Yeah, 404 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: and they had to close because there's staff got COVID. 405 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: Because I went in there, there was just the manager 406 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: fellow and he said I can't do anything for a week, 407 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 3: so because he didn't have the stuff, and they're young people, 408 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 3: because I've been there a few times. Yeah, that's lots 409 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: of revenue, loss of income. I don't know whether the 410 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: staff would have been on sick leave or maybe had 411 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: to take leave without pay, so they've got no money 412 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: they're isolating. 413 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 7: That's just one that's just that I know that I 414 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 7: spoke to a business with exactly the opposite problem. So 415 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 7: many businesses are having trouble staying open because they can't 416 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 7: don't have. 417 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: Staff because of the issues. 418 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 7: I spoke to a business who has a full complement 419 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 7: of staff no customers because people are really hesitant to 420 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 7: go out and people aren't moving around. And we've heard 421 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 7: really strong feedback from a number of sectors where the 422 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 7: mask mandate really people just aren't moving around as much 423 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 7: as they normally used to. 424 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 8: So Leah as well, you know, we've had job keeper 425 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 8: and job seeker in the past, so we're looking. 426 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: Forward to the federal government initiatives. 427 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: So what are they going to do now? 428 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 4: What are they going to now? 429 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: I will say that is something that I have actually 430 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: go to ask the Treasurer about. Josh Freidenberg, the Federal 431 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: treasure was due to join me on the show yesterday, 432 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: and it is actually something that I had wanted to 433 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: ask about because I know that it's something that became 434 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: really evident to me when I did go home or 435 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: when I went back to see family on the Gold Coast. 436 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: Over that New year. 437 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: Period, contracted COVID most of our listeners I've told them, 438 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: and as did half of the Gold Coast is what 439 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: it seemed, and it meant that so many businesses shut 440 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: down for both of the reasons that we've spoken about, 441 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: the one that LEAs said, where you know a lot 442 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: of people were scared to go out, and the other 443 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: that we've spoken about, where you know, people just cannot 444 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: get stuff. 445 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a tough time. 446 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: It is a tough time, and I hope that we 447 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: can know whether the storm excuse the pun but and 448 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: look forward to you know, a bumper dry season where 449 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 3: you know, either get everyone gets their booster and everyone 450 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: gets vaccinated, and you know, it starts to go from 451 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 3: a pandemic to an endemic and something that we can 452 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: live with because people, you know, people are really struggling. 453 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: And I do I know, I even know my electors. 454 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: I don't know about you two. But there's definitely much 455 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: less foot traffic. Definitely people come for photocopping or of 456 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: tea or whatever, or just come to tell stories or 457 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: ask questions. 458 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: Hey, they're not doing it as much. 459 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: And one of the other things I do want to 460 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: ask about is do we still need to be checking 461 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: in everywhere when COVID is absolutely everywhere at the moment. 462 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 4: Should it just be a matter of if you get sick, 463 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 4: test yourself and stay high. 464 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: I can't answer that. I still I still think you answer, 465 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: let me talk. I can't answer your question. Okay, I'd 466 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: have to have a think about it. But I still 467 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: think there's a weakness in the in the paper copies, 468 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: like people diligently keep their paper copies. Now I'm still 469 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: not sure whether the employer or the publican is meant 470 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: to send those paper copies to someone and that someone 471 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 3: then goes through them and then sends a text message 472 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: or records them in the database. Because what are we 473 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: doing when we sign up? We got our little COVID 474 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: check in little gadget thing. There was no instructions about 475 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: what to do with the paper copy, but diligently kept them. 476 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: And but what are the what. 477 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 7: I'm we're hearing that businesses are not being asked for them. 478 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: There's no they're not being captured. 479 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 8: That something also be clear that you know this was 480 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 8: Delta and now we have Omnicron and so we have 481 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 8: seen highly contagious. So the issue with your phones and 482 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 8: when you get your message, it is about just being 483 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 8: reminding people about Okay, you do need you've been in contact, 484 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 8: you've been in close contact, or you've been in an 485 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 8: area where somebody has had COVID so monetor symptoms. 486 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 4: One of the other. 487 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: Things that I do want to raise is this we 488 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: have had We have also had industry groups, well from 489 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: the disability sector, actually speak to us about some of 490 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: the confusion amongst you know, the sector with some of 491 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: the show directives. I just want to play you a 492 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: little bit of audio from Laws and broad when he 493 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: joined me on the show a little bit earlier this week. 494 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 4: Let me just make sure I've got this line. 495 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 5: We are doing everything possible to comply with every new 496 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 5: Chow direction, but what we're struggling with is that that's 497 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 5: very often that's not an easy thing to do. We 498 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: really are struggling to keep up. We've been in situations 499 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 5: where I've got my whole management team around the table. 500 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 5: We had an announcement, it was two days later, and 501 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 5: we still didn't have the show direction. We were sitting 502 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 5: around a table a copy of the NT News, someone 503 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 5: else had the Chief Minister's Facebook page, someone else was 504 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 5: looking at the Coronavirus NT website and we were doing 505 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 5: the best we could to work out how we should 506 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 5: be responding. 507 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: So that is one of the other concerns that is 508 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: around the place at the moment within some of our 509 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: various sectors. 510 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: That communication. 511 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: You know, something gets announced obviously at a press conference, 512 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: but then the flow through and being able to see 513 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: those show directives really clearly on the website so that 514 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: they know exactly. 515 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 4: What they need to do. And you know, I think 516 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 4: it's tough, like it's a big call for some. 517 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: Of those different industries and different sectors to then come 518 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: out in the media and say that they're not you 519 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: know from what he'd said. 520 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: You know, they just want that. 521 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Information so that they can make sure they're doing the 522 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: right thing and not wind up with a big file. 523 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: This has been a big problem right from the start. 524 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 7: So right back when COVID first started and we were 525 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 7: having those Public Account Committee meetings, you know, I was 526 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 7: raising the issue of the Chief Minister putting COVID information 527 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 7: on his Facebook before the authorities and that hasn't changed. 528 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 7: We've had thirty five Chow direction changes this year alone. 529 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 7: Katie and Lawson is not wrong. He shares an experience 530 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 7: like many other territories of having to match up information 531 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 7: set at the press conference versus what's on the Chief 532 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 7: Minister's Facebook versus what's on the website, what's in the 533 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 7: chow direction, and what's in you know, the media. And 534 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 7: that's incredibly complicated, and the compliance required is significant and 535 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 7: the punishment is significant, and so people are doing their 536 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 7: their level best. But the communication coming out, I start 537 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 7: to wonder if it's deliberately confusing so that it's vague 538 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 7: enough for people to work within their own sphere. 539 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: It's just amazing. 540 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: I think that it would be deliberately confusing, deliberate to 541 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: put information on the chiefs books page for the website. 542 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: Look, how is that not deliberate? 543 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Well, look, putting it on the Facebook is not my 544 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: favorite thing that happens. That's for bloody shure, as I've 545 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: spoken about on numerous occasions. 546 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: But I think by and large, you know, the Chief. 547 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: Health Officer is obviously trying to get that communication out, 548 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: but I don't know that the way that that's happening 549 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: now is the best way of doing it. 550 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 7: They made an announcement of change TRAE directions on Friday, 551 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 7: and by the Tuesday, the CHRAE directions still hadn't come 552 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 7: out so that to not. 553 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Accept some context for the likes of laws. And so 554 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: he spoke to us obviously in that role within the 555 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: disability sector, and he had said that they are in 556 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: a situation at the moment where they're looking at standing 557 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: down twelve employees by March twelve because they were double 558 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: vaxxed after December eleven. So two new starters who were 559 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: vaccinated on January eleven and twenty nine will need to 560 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: stand them down for over a month. So it's not 561 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: as if it's people who are not who are choosing 562 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: to not be vaccinated. They were vaccinated a little bit later. 563 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: And now if they are to comply with the Chow 564 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: directive that was given at that press conference, they would 565 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, it would be too lar at their booster. 566 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: And the tough part is there's not a lot of 567 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: staff in that sectory. 568 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: I'll break it to the Chief Minister only yesterday and 569 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: the Health Minister seeking clarification like how did this eleventh 570 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: of March and twenty second of April feit se Now, 571 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: just to take back a step, is I think the 572 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 3: Health Minister and lots of people around the country for 573 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: that matter, have been saying doesn't matter. Get vaccinated now. 574 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you're late or late to the party. 575 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: Get vaccinated. So if someone's getting vaccinated late because now 576 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: the other ones come out and they're happy to get 577 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: that vaccination, why should the laws and boards of this 578 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 3: will have to stand down staff because you're encouraging people 579 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: to get vaccinated. When they get vaccinated lay so well, 580 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: then they're going to be impackaged. 581 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 8: I mean, there's lots of things happening in this space. 582 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 8: So for example, as you just said, thirty five directions, 583 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 8: so people are having to be agile people. You know, 584 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 8: things are changing. This is a pandemic, it isn't you know? 585 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 8: There is substantial changes that are happening. Information is always 586 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 8: on the NT health Facebook page as well as well 587 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 8: as Secure. You can subscribe to the Secure and T. 588 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 8: If you're a business or if you are an NGO, 589 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 8: you can subscribe to Secure and T. You get those 590 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 8: media releases that have all the details. It's also on. 591 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 4: Coronavirus show directives either. 592 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yeah, let me finish and so so that 593 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 8: information is there, I mean one you can also pick 594 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 8: up the phone and make contact with people and follow 595 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 8: those up. 596 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: They've tried that, yeah through health or yeah through My 597 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: understanding is yes. 598 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 8: But as I said, these things are moving, they are changing. 599 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 8: But we also need and that's the information coming out 600 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 8: that the booster is what will protect against skelter. So 601 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 8: if Laws and Broad has some of the most vulnerable 602 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 8: people in our. 603 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: Pack, they all want to get boosts. They all want 604 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: to make sure that they get boosted. But if there 605 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: are a few days later, a week later, you know, 606 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: based on when they had their second one, this is 607 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: where that difficulty is. Like, we are going to have 608 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: to take it a short break here, but I reckon 609 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: definitely if you know, I'm sure I know that that 610 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: people departmental officials from different departments listened to the show, 611 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: so I reckon that conversation would be greatly appreciated. We 612 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: are going to take a really short break. When we 613 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: come back. There's still plenty to cover off this morning 614 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: on the week that was you are listening to Mix 615 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: one oh four nine, Well, it is just twenty minutes 616 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: away from ten o'clock, and I tell you what, there 617 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: has been a lot to cover off on this week. 618 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: I want to take you down to Alice Springs, where 619 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: we know that the Alice Springs Mayor pender letter will 620 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: towards the end of last week to more than forty 621 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: of Australia's most influential politicians calling for help with the 622 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: spiraling rate of crime facing the town. So the Mayor, 623 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: Matt Patterson, sent that letter last Thursday after the Council 624 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: passed emotion that declared Alice Springs had reached breaking point. 625 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: It went to the Prime Minister, to Anthony Elbanezi, to 626 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: Ken Wyatt, Alan Tudge of you know, a large number 627 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: of void got one Yeah, to a large number of 628 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: polleys and decision makers around the country, just calling. 629 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 4: For that help. 630 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 5: Now. 631 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: I also spoke to a couple of business people in 632 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Alice Springs earlier in the week one in particular Kyle, 633 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: who owns the brewery and one of the other bars there, 634 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: and now he had told me about how on the 635 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: weekend just gone the bar had been broken into, not 636 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: through the windows because they've got crimsof on them, but 637 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: people had literally broken through a wall to get five 638 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: bottles of wine. 639 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 4: That was really quiet. I was really surprised about it. 640 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 7: And what does that tell you about then, the government's 641 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 7: failure in the alcohol policy space. 642 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: Let alone the crime space. 643 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 7: It really shows that people who are addicted to drugs 644 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 7: and alcohol will get it at any cost. 645 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: And it's the. 646 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 7: Small businesses and the business owners and the people in 647 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 7: that community who are suffering for it. I mean people 648 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 7: in Alice Springs have suffered the most under the Gunner 649 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 7: government winding bag bail and you justice reform, and of 650 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 7: course police are heavily under resource. We've just got so 651 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 7: much pain and suffering happening in Central Australia. It's so 652 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 7: sad to see because it is a beautiful, beautiful part 653 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 7: of the world. Of course, the Police Minister jets down 654 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 7: there yesterday or the day before, empty handed with vague 655 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 7: promises of more police. But people need something different. People 656 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 7: need hope, people need confidence, and it is disappointing because 657 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 7: you talk about and we just talked about all the 658 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 7: issues with COVID and the issues that that is causing. 659 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 7: I mean, people in Central Australia felt that worse because 660 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 7: of course they didn't get any tourism bump at all, 661 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 7: and you overlay crime over that and they are at 662 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 7: breaking point. 663 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: I got a letter from the mayor of all the 664 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: Strings and I replied to him because clearly I could 665 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: read or I could hear almost the desperation in his voice. 666 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 7: Now. 667 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: I used to live in Ala Springs in the early 668 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: eighties and it was a butut town. 669 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 6: Ye know. 670 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: I was full of hope and aspirations and you know, 671 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: a lot of them were achieved. And you know, it's 672 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: still a lovely town. The landscape is spectacular, but clearly 673 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: there is something fundamentally wrong in that town. The social structure, 674 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: the social fabric is really tatty and breaking down and 675 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: putting all police on the beat. That's a bit like 676 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: you know, trying to shut the gate after the horse 677 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 3: and the cattle have bolted. You know, that's fine to 678 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: have more police, but there's a lawlessness that's seeped into 679 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 3: the whole culture of the town. And you know, certain element. 680 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: It's not everyone, of course, because it's a whole. It's 681 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 3: a big town of twenty thousand people, give or take. 682 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: But there's some serious issues there that are just not 683 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: being addressed. And I know, look, I know the police try, 684 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 3: all the groups try, you know, government agencies try, everyone tries. 685 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: But I don't I don't have an answer. I don't 686 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: know what it is what can be done, But other 687 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: than the mayor and the council and government people and 688 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: perhaps the ngngos and the relevant agencies. You know, the 689 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: sense of Land Council down there. You know, they really 690 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: have to address this lawlessness is in the young people 691 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: because let's be honest, it is younger people that are 692 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: committing these crimes. 693 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 8: And I mean, I think we're all very much aware 694 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 8: of the issues in Central Australia and the peak in summer, 695 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 8: that's a fact. I think. You know every year we 696 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 8: hear at this about this time, but you know, people 697 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 8: don't always want to hear the word generational change. People 698 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 8: want instance. 699 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: Straight away, and it's been like a few years of 700 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: it now where it's kind yeah, it's a point you're 701 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: just going to end up the generation changes that everybody 702 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: will leave town so. 703 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 4: There is more police. 704 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 8: So Michael Murphy picked up the phone immediately. The Deputy Commissioner, 705 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 8: Nicole Madison and Kate Warden went down to Alice Springs 706 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 8: to meet with the mayor, to meet with ngngos to 707 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 8: have those conversations. But it is, as I said, my 708 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 8: background's education. Everybody knows that that's where we have to 709 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 8: make a difference. Lauren Moss has brought out that attendant strategy. 710 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 8: That's what's going to happen. Those kids have to be 711 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 8: in school every day. They have that wrap around the 712 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 8: support in the school. It's only then when you talk 713 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 8: about lawlessness most kids, that's where they get the family 714 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 8: values reinforced in classrooms in schools. They know then what 715 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 8: the rules are if they're not going to school. 716 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 4: Agree room importance. 717 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: I agree that kids need to be in school, and 718 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: there definitely needs to be those wrap around services. But 719 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, I have found it to be honest almost 720 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: laughable on a few occasions this week when it's been 721 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: like there's been a spike over Christmas, there's been a 722 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: spike in Alice Springs now for a long period of time, 723 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: and you've now got people in Alice Springs like honestly 724 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: begging for help. No one knows exactly what to do. 725 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: And I get that the government, you know, like at 726 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: the end of the day, no one's got all the answers, 727 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: and we understand that. But I have said this before 728 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: on this show, and I will say it again. It's 729 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: like it's one of these occasions where everybody just needs 730 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: to forget their political lines for a second. We actually 731 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: all sit down as human beings, not me, but the 732 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: people of Alice Springs, with the polleys, with the decision makers, and. 733 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: Go, how do we how do we? You know, like 734 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 4: we keep doing the stuff that is working. 735 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it does yet and live even 736 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 3: with your education background. Is why I've been banging on 737 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: for so long about the school based constables and now 738 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: school based counselors, because there's an issue with school based 739 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: counselors that to Mimi, like's there's only one, it should 740 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 3: be two. You know, we talk about getting the kids 741 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 3: and keeping them at school. Well, the school based constable 742 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 3: scheme is one of those systems or one of those 743 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 3: schemes which does work. We all know it works for 744 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 3: lots of reasons. Not auxiliaries. No issue with the auxiliaries, 745 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 3: but the school based constables. Like, if you're going to 746 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: sit down and make some hard decisions, that's one of them, 747 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 3: because that's where respect is built and developed in that 748 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: school system, with that figure of authority and the figure 749 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: of support, and involving families of course, because some children 750 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 3: need their families with them, you know, to be able 751 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 3: to make the change. But you know, there's got to 752 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: be some hard decisions. May they's got to be some decent, 753 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: compassionate decisions made as well. But let's not forget those 754 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 3: school based constables can carry. 755 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 2: We been a lot of promises too. 756 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 7: I mean, prior to the last election we had promises 757 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 7: of community service. We know that that's not happening for offenders. 758 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 7: You know, an immediate consequence to their action that giving 759 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 7: back to the community, that feeling from the community that 760 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 7: they can see that people have done the wrong thing, 761 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 7: sorry for what they've done, and they're and they're giving back, 762 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 7: of course, skills training for these youths to give them 763 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 7: a different opportunity in life, another chance other than prison. 764 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 7: At the moment, this government is basically saying you can 765 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 7: be bailed or you can go to jail. And what's 766 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 7: happening then, of course, is most are being bailed. Now, 767 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 7: bail's fine if the person complies, but when we've got 768 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 7: that repeat offending whilst on bail, what you're having is 769 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 7: just the victims everywhere, and no result, no effort is 770 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 7: going into the person doing the wrong thing. Nothing is 771 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 7: happening to stop people from being victimized at rates that 772 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 7: are just obscene. And so you know, you can't just 773 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 7: have bail or jail. There's got to be more things 774 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 7: in between, and that's what's missing from the suite of 775 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 7: measures from the Gunner government. 776 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a 777 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to Mix one OW 778 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: four point nine. It is the week that was. It 779 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: is just ten minutes away from ten o'clock and there 780 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: has been so much up for discussion throughout this week 781 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 1: and plenty of you are listening to the show. When 782 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: the Senator for the Northern Territory, Sam McMahon joined me 783 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: a bit earlier in the week. Now, she obviously was 784 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: the COLP Senator for the Northern Territory but resigned. Now 785 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: if you were if you missed the show earlier in 786 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: the week, take a bit of a listen to what 787 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: the senator had told us earlier on the show. Now, Senator, 788 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: why did you decide to resign from the party, Katie? 789 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: There's a couple of reasons. 790 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 6: I feel that there's a disconnect between myself and the 791 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 6: party management. I did put several issues or complaints to 792 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 6: the COLP management. 793 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 4: What were those issues? 794 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 6: It did involve parliamentary safety for women. 795 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 4: So you didn't feel safe in the workplace. 796 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an issue of not feeling safe. 797 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: So that was Senator Sam McMahon on the show a 798 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: little bit earlier this week. Leah, I know that I 799 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: asked you extensive questions about this and whether you felt 800 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: safe and why the senators well, you know, her complaints 801 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: or her concerns which she raised with the CLP Management 802 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: Committee weren't addressed. 803 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 7: Yes, we did speak about this, and certainly the senator 804 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 7: has for her own reasons resigned and or you know, 805 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 7: indicated her resignation. Of course, I am the female leader 806 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 7: of our parliamentary team. I've experienced no safety I have 807 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 7: no safety concerns. Neither have any of the females in 808 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 7: my parliamentary team female candidates. This is not a COLP issue. 809 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 7: This is clearly a matter between the senator and the 810 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 7: grievance process that is now in place. 811 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: But you know, is it going to become an issue 812 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: for the COLP though, in the sense that now that 813 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: she has resigned, are you still going to be able 814 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: to continue to operate as a party. Have you got 815 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: enough members to be able to do so? Yeah, of course. 816 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 7: So our associate membership with the National Party means we 817 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 7: comply with all of the national requirements. 818 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: So we will still run Tina McFarlane and Solomon Damien 819 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: Ryan and. 820 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 7: Lniari and just enterprises our Senate candidate under the CLP banner. 821 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,479 Speaker 7: Nothing changes there, and of course the party will will 822 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 7: have to go through their grievance policy to make sure 823 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 7: that they look at whatever the grievance is that the 824 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 7: Senator has. 825 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 3: I've talked about this on ABC on IT sometime soon 826 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 3: and I was surprised. I mean, when I was in 827 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 3: the CLP likely I said, I never felt threatened. Okay, 828 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: if anyone tried to come to smart us with me, 829 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 3: I just would a deck them. But because that's how 830 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 3: you do it in the farm, animal gets out of 831 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 3: the territory way. Hey, if an animal gets out of controller, 832 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: just give it a good talking to. But I mean, 833 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 3: the Central Council meetings will abat a bunch of about 834 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 3: one hundred people give or taken. You know, there's huge 835 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure same in the Labor Party. Huge robust debate, 836 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: you know, on all sorts of things, and things can 837 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 3: get pretty heated. But I never felt safe. I've never 838 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 3: felt safe in the. 839 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 4: Part of so obviously the Senator did, but. 840 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 3: Clearly the Senator Chack mcmaty has has an should it's isolated. 841 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 7: I think it shows it's isolated, which doesn't make it right, 842 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 7: but it is so endemic. 843 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 3: And I was on the record talking before that. I 844 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 3: think Sam Marnin has done a terrific job when it 845 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 3: comes to people in the Bush. She's a great support 846 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 3: of primary industries and all things cows and chickens and 847 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 3: hay and whatever she does in the next phase of 848 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 3: her life, I'm sure she'd you know, she'll still continue 849 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 3: to do that because her knowledge is phenomenal in regards 850 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 3: to urban stuff. Can't really talk about that, but I 851 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 3: do think she's done an excellent job in that way. 852 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 3: And it's a tough gig being a senator for the 853 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: Northern territory. It's not like other senators. Let's be honest. 854 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 3: Let's be clear this a senator is meant to just 855 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 3: work as a house of review. And I know other 856 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 3: senators in other states they have nothing nothing to do 857 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 3: with constituents at all, whereas our two senators do, you know. 858 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 3: And I think it's a tough gig being a senator, 859 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 3: not only in the job day to day and the 860 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: travel commitments like US and WA. Yeah, I mean I 861 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 3: think it was our senator. I think was in the 862 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 3: previous Senate in Nigel Scanner. Were the biggest frequent flies 863 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 3: with Quantus. They are traveling the most and I think 864 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 3: the w A people do the stuff. 865 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 8: It was your take on it, Oh, yes, I said, 866 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 8: I actually felt quite My heart went out to her 867 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 8: actually obviously, you know, revealing some intimate things to her 868 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 8: that was hurtful. But on Tuesday, I think it was 869 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 8: I did the Adelaide River Offstring water storage announcement with 870 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 8: Sam McMahon, which was an amazing announcement. It's going to 871 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 8: be the biggest billed by government since the rail fantastic announcement. 872 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 8: But it was Semator McMahon was there as an independent 873 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 8: I presume not so the Federal Liberal National Party allowed 874 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 8: her because it was an announcement by Barnaby Joyce. They 875 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 8: allowed her to be there as I guess and an independent. 876 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 8: So I thought that was quite an interesting one really. 877 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 8: But the second thing, and I said this, Keiser and 878 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 8: I were for the last show of the year and 879 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 8: I said the same thing, what did what was Sam 880 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 8: McMahon able to get or what did she get committed 881 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 8: by Barnaby Joyce to get his vote to get him 882 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 8: to be Deputy Chief Minister, a deputy prime minister. We 883 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 8: worked really well with Michael McCormack. Michael McCormack had a 884 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 8: great relationship with the territory. He was here often, he 885 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 8: was always on the phone, always sending messages, always meeting 886 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 8: with us. A great relationship with Michael McCormack. And then 887 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 8: we saw Barnaby Joyce come in. We don't have that 888 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 8: relationship with Barnaby Joyce. There isn't that communication. And that's 889 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 8: not just me. Every other Labor minister, Transport minister in 890 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 8: Australia says exactly the same thing. He doesn't pick up 891 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 8: the phone, he doesn't talk to people, he doesn't meet, 892 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 8: He rarely ever meets with other ministers. And so I 893 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 8: thinking to get Barnaby Joyce to be deputy Prime minister. 894 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 8: What did Sam McMahon offer. What's a territory going to benefit? 895 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to these at this election because I'm 896 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 8: looking for to commitments. 897 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 4: Well the promises exactly well, I don't know. 898 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 3: For the rulers. 899 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 8: I would I'd love to see some big announcements from there. 900 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: Was the announcement of a Holocaust museum earlier in the week, 901 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: winning some people were, you know, with such why are 902 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: we're doing that yet? The casual in the swimming pool 903 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: announcement then by the Labor Party by Luke Gosling yesterday. 904 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 4: So I'm sure I have no doubt. 905 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: That the that the promises are going to be coming 906 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: in thick and fast. 907 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 8: That's what we like, as well as somebody keeps thank 908 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 8: you for this must be a thing that you promised, 909 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 8: because I think it was the last federal election that 910 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 8: Warren Snden promised money for a rural pool. 911 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 4: That's right. 912 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 8: You know we're waiting for is for the Lichfield Council 913 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 8: to come up with a space and a place for 914 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 8: it because they haven't been able to do that and 915 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 8: they don't want to continue to run to rent my 916 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 8: mother's hunderd acrepadics. 917 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 4: Well, we are going to have to leave it there. 918 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: Thank you all so very much for your time this 919 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: morning and being parsh of the first week that was 920 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: for the year. Leofanocchio, the opposition leader, thank you for 921 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: your time. 922 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 2: Thank you have a good weekend everyone. 923 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 4: Kisio Puriic, the Independent member for Goid thank you, thank you. 924 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 3: I just get my paddle and canoe out. 925 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: IV Lola the Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Power and 926 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: Water lots of portfolios. 927 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 4: Thank you for your time,