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Speaker 1: We've got a busy one lined up for you this

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Speaker 1: morning and joining us live in the studio. We have

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Speaker 1: got the Minister for Education, she's also the Member for

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Speaker 1: Catherine Joe Hersey.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie and to the listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good morning, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Good Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio and live in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. We've got the Deputy Labor Leader, Chancey Pai,

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Speaker 1: get a.

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Speaker 4: Chancey, Hey, Katie? Here you going?

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Speaker 1: Yah?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 6: How's that? Give us a quick weather forecast for Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: It's twenty five degree, clear skies and beautiful ready for

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Speaker 4: Parchment tonight.

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Speaker 1: Oh I bet it'll be glorious weather for Parchma and

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Speaker 1: it will be a fantastic weekend in Alice Springs, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Look, there is so much to cover off on this morning,

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Speaker 1: and we know that the massive issue that continues to

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Speaker 1: really concern everybody around the world is this situation with

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Speaker 1: well with the one in Iran. We know that a

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Speaker 1: sea spy was reached earlier in the world week. It's

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Speaker 1: very much on shaky ground. But NATO Secretary the NATO

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Speaker 1: Secretary General has been out and told European governments that

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Speaker 1: the US President Donald Trump wants concrete commitments within days

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Speaker 1: to help secure the Strait of holl Maas diplomats have said, now,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting situation that the world finds itself in

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Speaker 1: right now. As I said, we know that that ceasefire

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Speaker 1: was reached earlier in the week, but really very shaky. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Australia's two largest fuel suppliers are going to be bringing

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Speaker 1: additional fuel on shore under an extraordinary deal, is what

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Speaker 1: it's been dubbed by Anthony Albanesi. Speaking from the Ampole

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Speaker 1: Refinery in Queensland, one of Australia's two remaining refineries, Mister

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Speaker 1: Albinizi announced well that the Export Finance Australia had agreed

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Speaker 1: to terms with Ampole and Viva Energy to enable them

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Speaker 1: to bring.

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Speaker 6: More fuel to Australia.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've never really seen it a situation that's

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Speaker 1: in We've acted us so greatly. I guess when it

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Speaker 1: comes to something like our petrol supply and the onflow

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Speaker 1: really get anything through that straight. I mean, Matt, it's

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Speaker 1: quite an unprecedented situation that everybody finds themselves in, isn't

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Speaker 1: I It is.

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Speaker 3: Well, people of my era might vaguely remember the crisis

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Speaker 3: of the early nineteen nineties and the Gold War back then,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure people who are a bit older than

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Speaker 3: been extraordinary, and it really has has highlighted, Katie, particularly

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Speaker 3: here in the Northern Territory, how heavily we rely on

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Speaker 3: these liquid fuels, particularly diesel. I mean, I spoke a

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Speaker 3: chancey about this last week and the fact that like,

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Speaker 3: for instance, more than fifty of our remote communities rely

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Speaker 3: on diesel for their power generation more outstations as well.

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Speaker 3: So with no diesel in the Northern Territory, you know,

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Speaker 3: the ramifications are massive, and we'll also fuel them at

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Speaker 3: the super market, and we also see them at the

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Speaker 3: petrol bows. I was filming out here on Monday or

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Speaker 3: And it's gone up, I reckon, it's gone up twenty

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Speaker 3: Even though that fuel excise has been in place, so

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Speaker 3: hearing from industry groups, from master builders and civil contractors, etc.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, just to give you a bit of an

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Speaker 1: today as well. At the terminal gate today in Darwin,

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Speaker 1: fear unleaded, it's actually gone down a little bit to

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Speaker 1: sure that you're going to see that flow through just yet.

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Speaker 1: The cheapest you're going to find it's two dollars twenty

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Speaker 1: But I have no doubt that depending on where you

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, it's it's pretty astronomical, really it is.

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Speaker 2: And just listening to you read out those prices. I

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Speaker 6: Oh, Catherine, I when this is something that really rise.

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Speaker 3: But obviously Catherine when covering the floods, when this first

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Speaker 3: You know, you got me to check. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: and the price had gone through three dollars in Sydney

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Speaker 3: I'll get a picture of that thing.

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Speaker 6: Yes, because it was pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting the varying prices, and I know that

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Speaker 2: that twenty six cents or whatever came is meant to

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Speaker 4: It goes up very.

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Speaker 6: Quickly, doesn't come down quite so fast.

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Speaker 2: Anywhere near as quickly. And I think the Minister bill

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Speaker 2: Yan has certainly written to those fuel companies, and you

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Speaker 2: if they are court gouging. And I just think people

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Speaker 2: need to report, you know, maybe the prices of their

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Speaker 2: in Adelaide River because that's where it's generally cheaper even

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Speaker 2: than Catherine. But they were two thirds of their fuel

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Speaker 2: they normally sell x amount and two thirds of that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's having an impact, like we touched on a moment ago,

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Speaker 1: in so many different ways, like across businesses, even when

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Speaker 1: truly reliant on diesel. I mean, Chancey, how are things

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Speaker 1: looking there in Alice Springs And what are people around

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, Katie, I think you know, certainly the event's

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Speaker 4: not going to see immediate relief. Fuel prices are still higher,

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Speaker 4: supply chains are still under pressure, and Territorians or Australians

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Speaker 4: crisis and that we had no involvement in. Like I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm my electorate. I've got one of the highest fuel

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Speaker 4: we've got fuel that's you know, two dollars seventy five

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Speaker 4: I mean fuel in Alice is you know, for diesel

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Speaker 4: big impact. And I think one of the things that

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Speaker 4: I've had to do, Katie, is to talk to families,

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Speaker 4: you know, who've come to town for business, they want

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Speaker 4: to go back home, Chuck, and fifty bucks in your

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Speaker 4: conk out and be stranded. So there's that real education

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Speaker 4: campaign that needs to happen. And again we've, as Matt

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Speaker 4: that also has an effect on food because some of

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Speaker 4: our great contractors and truckies they have to increase their costs,

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Speaker 4: which means that the flow on effects means that people

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Speaker 3: For Tucker just got a message from someone in that

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Speaker 3: fuel gets used. We are one business and we will

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Speaker 3: use in excess of fifteen million liters per year.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And you just think, then how are they to

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Speaker 1: an unprecedented amount for them?

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Speaker 6: You know, on a weekly basis, It's like it's unbelievable, and.

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Speaker 3: How worried are you about supply and the prospect that

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Speaker 3: ships are still coming, the ships are still coming. What

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Speaker 6: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So at the moment, I believe we're twenty eight days

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Speaker 1: But you know what then, and the fact is, there's

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Speaker 1: not a huge amount that the Northern Territory government can

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Speaker 1: surety because we're very much reliant on the federal government.

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Speaker 1: The federal government's very much reliant on those discussions that

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Speaker 1: know is you know, a really sort of you know, difficult,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it really points for me and I know

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Speaker 1: that there's been a lot more discussion about this in

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Speaker 1: that Australia has become so reliant on other countries for

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Speaker 1: us to be, you know, for our supplies, and we're

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Speaker 2: I think that's an in point that you make, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And I certainly have heard other leaders around the country

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Speaker 2: start going back to doing things here in Australia, and

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. You know, coming from South Australia,

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Speaker 2: been there for a very long time. But I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's situations like this where you really need

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we invest in our own country

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Speaker 4: I mean, Katie, I think, Katie, what this says is

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Speaker 4: this should be a wake up call to both political

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Speaker 4: parties on a federal level to really go back and

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Speaker 4: what does it really mean when we talk about future

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Speaker 4: made in Australia Because We're all talking about fuel prices

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Speaker 4: right now, and we should be. It's important. But petrochemicals

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Speaker 4: you know that's flow on effect to everyday cost of living.

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Speaker 4: And if we can't guarantee reliable fuel sources into the country,

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Speaker 4: Someone having the common Someone's.

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Speaker 1: Just thinking, Chancey, I agree with everything that you were

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Speaker 6: We all want to go green.

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Speaker 4: Katie. We've got to go back to basics. We've got

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Speaker 6: Well with Joe Hersey on the line.

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Speaker 4: And when you're.

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Speaker 5: Copying that on a daily basis, you would not want

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Speaker 5: to come to work.

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Speaker 6: It would be traumatizing from DAYA. Not shocking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's absolutely appalling. It is disgusting that

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Speaker 2: these graduate nurses are having this treatment towards them. But

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Speaker 2: not only the graduates, Katie, it's everyone, every frontline worker

445
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Speaker 2: out there that is going to work every day to

446
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Speaker 2: do the best and to help people in a health environment,

447
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Speaker 2: whether you be in the ed or wherever you are.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely unacceptable to be putting up with this

449
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Speaker 2: kind of violence, you know. I mean, it wouldn't happen

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Speaker 2: in private business. I'm pretty sure people had be showing

451
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Speaker 2: the door or shown the way out. But the fact

452
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Speaker 2: is the nurses can't ask these people to leave if

453
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Speaker 2: they need medical attention. But I think there does need

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Speaker 2: to be a real onus and responsibility on those people.

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Speaker 2: And Paul Francis, I think said it very well when

456
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Speaker 2: he was up here, came up for a funeral the

457
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Speaker 2: founder of Humpty Dumpty and needed medical attention that he

458
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Speaker 2: got from Catherine to come to the ED in Darwin,

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Speaker 2: and he was very complimentary of the CareFlight and everything

460
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Speaker 2: like that, but he could not believe what the ED

461
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Speaker 2: was putting up with and tolerating. And he said, it's

462
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Speaker 2: people need to be a little bit calmer. They need

463
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit more patient. They're in the

464
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Speaker 2: right spot, they will get the treatment, they just need

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit patient.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean Chancey.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the discussion this week has been there at ED

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Speaker 1: in Royal Darwin Hospital, but I have no doubt there's

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Speaker 1: our nurses, doctors, healthcare stuff in Alice Springs are facing

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Speaker 1: similar situations.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Look, Katie, I think you know it's incredibly

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Speaker 4: disappointing to hear of those accounts that have unfolded. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I've spent time in ED myself a month ago in

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Speaker 4: Alice Springs and you know, the quality of care is

475
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Speaker 4: outstanding in the territory hospitals. I mean, let's be clear here,

476
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Speaker 4: people in the health profession choose that profession because they care,

477
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Speaker 4: They want to look after people, and they want to

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Speaker 4: make people better. They absolutely deserve to have a safe

479
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Speaker 4: workplace that supports them. So, you know, I think we

480
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Speaker 4: need to make sure that you know, actions speak louder

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Speaker 4: than words, and we can hear all the government statements

482
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Speaker 4: we want, but we want to actually see that turn

483
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Speaker 4: in to action to make sure that our health professionals

484
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Speaker 4: are safe, are secure, and are supported on the job

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we can deliver good care for Territorians.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the terrible thing is this is not a

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Speaker 5: new incident, you know what I mean, Like this has

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Speaker 5: been going on for many, many years, and that would

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Speaker 5: be a major reason as to why our attention of staffs.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, you'd have to It would definitely impact whether

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Speaker 1: you wanted to stay working here long term, I would suspect.

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Speaker 1: And and you know the other part of this though,

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Speaker 1: is that you know, we did catch up with the

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Speaker 1: CEO of the Department of Health yesterday on the show.

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Speaker 1: He said that they looking it implementing personal juriss alarms

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Speaker 1: or personal jurists sort of, you know, alarms on the person,

497
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Speaker 1: so on nurses and people working in the ED, which

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Speaker 1: is obviously a good thing, he said. You know that

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Speaker 1: he does not want security to effectively be acting as

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Speaker 1: bouncers at Royal Darwin Hospital. You know that when people

501
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Speaker 1: turn up for care, that is exactly what the staff

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Speaker 1: there will provide them. But gee, you know, if you've

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Speaker 1: got people turning up pieced, if you've got people turning

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Speaker 1: up on drugs, I.

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Speaker 6: Get it that they obviously need that.

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Speaker 1: You know that that care from our doctors and nurses,

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Speaker 1: But at what point do you go enough is enough?

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Speaker 1: If you're not going to calm down, if you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, settle down and stop making these threats,

510
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Speaker 1: well we're not going.

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Speaker 4: To help you.

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Speaker 5: But it's a rock and a hard place. If if

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Speaker 5: something were to then follow it happen to them, that's

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Speaker 5: exactly right, and people get.

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Speaker 6: Looking at as well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: We'll get investigated if something happens and somebody ends up

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah not yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was going to say, you did point it

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Speaker 2: out that juriss alarms are going to be put out

520
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Speaker 2: throughout the ED but people shouldn't need to have a

521
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Speaker 2: juris alarm when they are at work going about their business.

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Speaker 2: And I think even Chancey said, you know, people go

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Speaker 2: in because they care, They want to help people. This

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Speaker 2: is the role that they go into, and they turn

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Speaker 2: up day after day even though all these things are

526
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Speaker 2: happening to provide that level of care to the community

527
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Speaker 2: that comes in. But at some point, you know, they're

528
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Speaker 2: probably going to take a look and say, well this

529
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Speaker 2: is not worth it anymore, and I'll go elsewhere. But

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Speaker 2: I know, even chances commented on Ala Springs Hospital, I

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Speaker 2: know that the minister is in Tenant Creek there in Catherine.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's the health staff do amazing roles right

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Speaker 2: throughout all of the territory and I've never seen that

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Speaker 2: level of disruption and you know angst towards healthcare workers

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Speaker 2: whilst I've been you know, in the hospital, but I

536
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Speaker 2: do know that it does happen, and it's totally unacceptable

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Speaker 2: and there does need to be something. Yeah, some line

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Speaker 2: there are set in sand, but as Kathleen said, you

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Speaker 2: know that the healthcare workers are in a broken, a

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Speaker 2: hard place because they can't say no.

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Speaker 6: What if they go outside and well that's right and

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Speaker 6: something that happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, look they're not the only ones though, who've been

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Speaker 1: subjected to this horrendous behavior. We know that Saint John

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Speaker 1: as well. Earlier in the week on Monday, I caught

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Speaker 1: up with Craig Garaway from Saint John and he'd actually

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Speaker 1: also told us about a paramedic over the weekend, female

549
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Speaker 1: who'd been threatened with abuse and threatened with sexual abuse

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Speaker 1: as well. But the poor old, you know, our poor

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Speaker 1: old Saint John. The paramedic service are under an enormous

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Speaker 1: amount of strain at the moment, not just concerns around

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Speaker 1: threats and abuse towards frontline workers, but also you know,

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Speaker 1: the system is literally at breaking point. They are in

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Speaker 1: a serious situation where they've had to declare a second

556
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Speaker 1: Code White in just one week, so that was.

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Speaker 6: Two weeks in a row.

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Speaker 1: As we know, it's the highest level of alert, a

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Speaker 1: critical system failure where demand simply outstrips the resources. Now,

560
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Speaker 1: at one point on the weekend they had six life

561
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Speaker 1: threatening cases that were left waiting up to ninety minutes

562
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Speaker 1: for help, while other patients waited for hours and the

563
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Speaker 1: whole worry here is that they are still waiting for

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Speaker 1: a funding agreement to be reached. It is no doubt

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Speaker 1: to me that they need additional resources, they need additional staff,

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Speaker 1: they need additional ambulances on the road. But how do

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Speaker 1: you get any of that if you don't know what

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Speaker 1: kind of funding certainty you're going to have.

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Speaker 2: And I think I know that the Minister has been

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Speaker 2: working through with Ntier Health on those fundings, and we

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Speaker 2: certainly want to make sure that that organization who does

572
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Speaker 2: deliver amazing service right across the territory and when someone

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Speaker 2: rings triple zero, they want to make sure that that

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Speaker 2: ambulance is there. They are certainly continuing to address the

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Speaker 2: increasing demand issues for the service, and you know they

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Speaker 2: need there needs to be planning for the security of

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Speaker 2: a long term contract, which is all being spoken about

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Speaker 2: and work through at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So it sort of sounds to me as though we're

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Speaker 1: not going to get an announcement till the budget.

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Speaker 6: Now the budget's what a few weeks away, three weeks away,

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Speaker 6: something like that.

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Speaker 1: Something I mean, like I hope that there's a boost

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Speaker 1: in the budget for Saint John because they need to

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Speaker 1: be able to get out there, they need to be

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Speaker 1: able to do their jobs.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Chancy, when you guys are empowered.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't they have that certainty even back then? How

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Speaker 1: are we in a situation where things deteriorate to this point?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not blaming it all on labor

591
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Speaker 1: or all on the CLP, but how do we wind

592
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Speaker 1: up in a situation across both sort of sides of

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Speaker 1: government that we can't adequately fund the service that is

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Speaker 1: out there helping people when they are at their greatest.

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Speaker 6: Level of need.

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Speaker 4: Look, Katie, I think at first and foremost, I do

597
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Speaker 4: absolutely agree with this sentiment that when Territorians call an ambulance,

598
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Speaker 4: they expect to have one there as soon as possible,

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Speaker 4: and they deserve to have one. Acknowledging enormous work that

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Speaker 4: the paramatics do right across the territory, and you know,

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Speaker 4: the pressures and the fatigue that they work under. Certainly

602
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Speaker 4: absolutely will welcome any increase in resourcing and funding in

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Speaker 4: the territory budget, and I hope to see that in there.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, look, I acknowledge that there has been a

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Speaker 4: significant growth and demand pressures in this space, and that's

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Speaker 4: something that we all need to work on to make

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Speaker 4: sure that they are receiving adequate funding.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's also something just to point out

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Speaker 2: that we are considerably underfunded by the federal government in health,

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Speaker 2: which Minister Edgington is continuously you know, talking about and

611
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Speaker 2: going to the Feds about. I know the Chief Minister

612
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Speaker 2: went down and got an extra a lot of funding

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Speaker 2: for us here in health, but something like two hundred

614
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Speaker 2: million dollars. There's something the amount of health and that

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Speaker 2: all of these things can be resolved and they are,

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Speaker 2: you know, some of these things that whether it be

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Speaker 2: age care, I know we're talking about Saint John's here,

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Speaker 2: but there they are responsibilities of the federal government and

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Speaker 2: the federal government needs to fund us correctly for the

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Speaker 2: health care that we deliver here.

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Speaker 1: And that we are still waiting for this Midwiffery funding

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Speaker 1: as well. I mean, this is something we've been banging

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Speaker 1: our heads against the wall about for months and months,

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Speaker 1: haven't we. Cathleen and then the CEO of Health told

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Speaker 1: us yesterday that, you know, he is hoping that you

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Speaker 1: know that when the budget is handed down by the

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Speaker 1: federal government in a few weeks that will get some

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Speaker 1: additional funding. They've got tenders ready to go, like they're

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Speaker 1: literally ready to go.

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Speaker 2: And Minister Edgington's also said, you know, just keep your

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Speaker 2: eye on the on the federal budget for that because

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Speaker 2: you know, for an announcements there.

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Speaker 6: But it's right, why do we need to wait for it.

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Speaker 5: I mean you can still claim that at the time

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Speaker 5: I want the budget to come. Let's just get the

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Speaker 5: money out the door already, please.

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Speaker 4: It's Katie, that's absolute nonsense. Governments can and they will,

638
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Speaker 4: and they probably already have been doing pre budget announcements.

639
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Speaker 4: So you know, for the Health Minister to again deflect

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Speaker 4: around the funding is ridiculous. I mean, let's be clear.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of there's been a lot of work.

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Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, health man, so there will

643
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Speaker 4: be be absolutely clear. The Health Minister was aware of

644
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Speaker 4: the MIDWIF refunding in September twenty twenty four, and he

645
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Speaker 4: failed to act until May twenty twenty five. Now he

646
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Speaker 4: wants to shift blame to the Commonwealth. That is not accountability.

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Speaker 4: That is a deflection. It is so cheeky to now

648
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Speaker 4: shift blame when earlier action could have put us in

649
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Speaker 4: a different position. Katie.

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Speaker 1: Well, at the moment, though, We're in a situation where

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Speaker 1: when we spoke to the Chief Executive of the Department

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Speaker 1: of Health yesterday, he said, they've literally done everything now

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Speaker 1: that they can. It's now sitting on the federal government's desk,

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Speaker 1: is my understanding of it, where they're waiting for that

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Speaker 1: tick off, you know.

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Speaker 6: To me, I'm gonna be really blunt.

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Speaker 1: It gives me the shits when we've got a situation

658
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Speaker 1: where whatever level of government you're talking about, we're waiting

659
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Speaker 1: for a bloody budget to be handed down before we

660
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Speaker 1: can actually announce whether there's additional funding for a service

661
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: that is being held together with band aids, Like if

662
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Speaker 1: you did not have the wonderful staff doing the jobs

663
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Speaker 1: that they are and doing the absolute best that they are,

664
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Speaker 1: Like we've had a whole maternity ward closed down at

665
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Speaker 1: the private hospital, then the public hospital is going to

666
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Speaker 1: have like they're picking up the slack, and then we've

667
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Speaker 1: got to wait for a bloody federal budget to be

668
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Speaker 1: handed down, Like.

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Speaker 4: Give us a break, well, Katie, you've got the shits.

670
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Speaker 4: I've got the shits. Imagine being a pregnant woman trying

671
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Speaker 4: to work out, you know, like my baby in a

672
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Speaker 4: hotel room or am I going to go and where

673
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to try and navigate it? Like

674
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Speaker 4: I think, let's be clear, crip hosking bloke, not no doubt.

675
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: But if we want to talk big on accountability, then

676
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: show us when was the last time the Health Minister

677
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: stepped foot in Darwin Hospital or the maternity ward and

678
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 4: when did he sit down with the affected health staff

679
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: or the unions to have those conversations. And we want

680
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Speaker 4: to hear from him. He's the health minister. Can't he

681
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 4: go and talk to the Commonwealth aout a prebudged announcement?

682
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Speaker 4: What's going on?

683
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean we've been trying to talk to the

684
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Speaker 5: federal Health Minister here on Mixed for a long time.

685
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Speaker 5: We'd love him to come up here and have a

686
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Speaker 5: look as well.

687
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Speaker 1: Kathleen's borderline stalking him to try and get him on

688
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Speaker 1: the show.

689
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Speaker 2: But yeah, look we've got an Education minister's meeting and

690
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: maybe he's got his.

691
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Speaker 1: Who could have bailed him up for us, Joe, But yeah,

692
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: look there needs to we need to get some certainty

693
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Speaker 1: around this health funding for maternity services of course from

694
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Speaker 1: the federal government. But then when it comes to Saint John,

695
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, from the Northern Territory government, and these services

696
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Speaker 1: are absolutely pivotal. And I think that I speak for

697
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Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians when I say that when we

698
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: talk about taxpayer money going into certain things, the large

699
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: majority of people are more than happy for their taxes

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Speaker 1: to go into our healthcare service and to go into

701
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Speaker 1: ensuring that if you call for an ambulance, one is

702
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Speaker 1: able to come when you're in your hour of need.

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Speaker 1: So I hope that we see these announcements made sooner

704
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Speaker 1: rather than later.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 6: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's.

708
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Speaker 1: Three sixty, it is the week that was well, you

709
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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four ninees three sixty,

710
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Speaker 1: and it is the week that was with us this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got Chancey Paig in Alice Springs, We've got Joe

712
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Speaker 1: Hersey here in Darwin, and Kathleen Gizola. Now we know

713
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Speaker 1: that there's been a lot happening throughout the week. There's

714
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Speaker 1: been further discussion this week though about the ppsos. Now

715
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Speaker 1: they are the new public Police Public Safety Officers. They're

716
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Speaker 1: going to graduate by the end of June and shortly

717
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Speaker 1: after patrols on Darwin's bus network. We caught up with

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Commissioner yesterday, Martin Dole. He'd confirmed

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Speaker 1: that yes, there are currently twenty four undergoing training, with

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Speaker 1: the recruitment actively underway for a second squad and a

721
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Speaker 1: third squad expected to graduate before the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: with more than seventy.

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Speaker 6: Ppsos to be on the job by the end of

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Speaker 6: the year.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a big number, I mean seventy and the aim,

726
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Speaker 1: of course, from my understanding, is to really help the

727
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Speaker 1: police to be dealing with the different issues that they

728
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Speaker 1: are across our public bus network and also our public

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Speaker 1: housing network. I mean, Joe, some people raising concerns about

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're going to be armed with guns.

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Speaker 1: Obviously this is part of the COLP really trying to

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Speaker 1: get a handle on the issues that we've had with

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Speaker 1: crime and anti social behavior.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and crime and anti social behavior was out of

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Speaker 2: control before we came into government and we have done

736
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Speaker 2: a considerable amount of work in making sure that the

737
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Speaker 2: community is safe and these ppsos. I know that some

738
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Speaker 2: people are saying, you know about the guns on buses.

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Speaker 2: This is not a new thing. This is a tried

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Speaker 2: model that works into state and so I think the

741
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Speaker 2: fact that people can then feel safe on the bus

742
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Speaker 2: wherever they're traveling, that is what people want to know.

743
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Speaker 2: They want to know that when they get on the

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Speaker 2: bus they can actually feel safe and someone is actually

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Speaker 2: going to deal with that person with their anti social behavior.

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Speaker 2: But we certainly make no apologies for this stream of

747
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Speaker 2: the ppsos that are coming, and I heard Martin Dole

748
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Speaker 2: talking about it on the radio, and I look forward

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Speaker 2: to them, you know, commencing work later in the year,

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Speaker 2: and then continually recruiting to them. I think it will

751
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Speaker 2: whether it be out in the housing sector that some

752
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Speaker 2: of those people have come into this PPSO model, I

753
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Speaker 2: think that's a good thing for that proactive work that

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Speaker 2: police will be doing. And I know in Catherine we

755
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Speaker 2: have police on bottle shops, so the PPSO can be

756
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Speaker 2: there and they will be able to do a range

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Speaker 2: of different jobs. They won't just be sitting on a

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Speaker 2: bottle shop or just doing the public housing or just

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Speaker 2: being the transit officer. They will be able to have

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Speaker 2: a more varied role which will be more interesting. And

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Speaker 2: clearly there's been a lot of interest in those roles,

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Speaker 2: so I welcome that and look forward to them being

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Speaker 2: starting work in June.

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Speaker 1: Chancey, I understand that you or that labor have got

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Speaker 1: some concerns about these ppsos being armed with firearms.

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Speaker 6: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Look absolutely, Katie. I mean we spoke about this

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Speaker 4: on the floor of Parliament when the legislation came through.

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Speaker 4: More guns won't make communities safer. It risks escalating violence

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Speaker 4: and deepening divisions. If we are serious about reducing crime,

771
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Speaker 4: then we need to tackle the root cause. It's housing, education,

772
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Speaker 4: health and real pathways for social and economic inclusion. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the fact is it avoids the hard work we want

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Speaker 4: to actually people to feel safe on buses, in hospitals,

775
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Speaker 4: in schools, in the communities. Then we need to address

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Speaker 4: the causes of that, not think that waving guns around

777
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Speaker 4: is going to solve the I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think anyone's saying that people are going to wave guns around, Chancey.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is our sealp government can walk and

780
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Speaker 2: chew gum at the same time.

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Speaker 4: Sootely now you're talking nonsense right now, Katie. We are

782
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Speaker 4: heading down a dangerous path when the government it works.

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Speaker 1: Okay in other states like if like we is it

784
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Speaker 1: a situation where we don't think we're responsible enough in

785
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, but other states are, Katie.

786
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Speaker 4: If the government want more police, then just bring on

787
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Speaker 4: more police. Don't create a second tier of policing in

788
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Speaker 4: the territory. We've got communities who have not even heard

789
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Speaker 4: the communication of the government. Is ppsos in Alice Springs

790
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Speaker 4: going to be riding the buses armed? I mean, this

791
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Speaker 4: is what we're seeing in the government talking about reducing crime.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think this bus is nasty.

793
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Speaker 4: We do have buses in our springs, so you might

794
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Speaker 4: want to come and visit sometime, but I do reg

795
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Speaker 4: you're talking about reducing that, Katie. We're seeing more people

796
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Speaker 4: in prison than ever before, yet there's little investment in prevention,

797
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Speaker 4: rehabilitation and breaking the cycle. That's not a plan, it's

798
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Speaker 4: a reaction.

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Speaker 6: Tell me though.

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Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I noticed, of course,

801
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Speaker 1: when the OC spray was rolled out is that there

802
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: was a lot of people coming out opposing it, you know,

803
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Speaker 1: and people were saying that we're going to end up

804
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Speaker 1: with more violent situations. We're going to have you know,

805
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Speaker 1: people spraying others in the face. We're going to have

806
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Speaker 1: those that we don't want it to get into the

807
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Speaker 1: hands of you know, ending.

808
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: Up with it.

809
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Speaker 1: And yes there's been a few of those situations, but

810
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Speaker 1: it has not been you know, the way that people

811
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Speaker 1: were insinuating or saying it was going to be. I mean,

812
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Speaker 1: is this a situation, Chancey where labor is fearmongering?

813
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Speaker 4: Not at all, Katie. I mean, we do not need

814
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Speaker 4: to go down an americanization in the Northern Territory. We

815
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Speaker 4: don't need people carrying guns everywhere for the territory to

816
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Speaker 4: feel safe. We need to invest in the root causes

817
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: and the driving factors that will absolutely reduce crime. Because

818
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Speaker 4: just having people are armed, thinking that that perception is

819
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Speaker 4: going to make the community safe.

820
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Speaker 2: The things chancy they're already used in Victoria and New

821
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Speaker 2: South Wales, we are not.

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Speaker 6: I think it's getting a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit caught up on the fact that they're going to

824
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Speaker 1: be armed, Like we're all sort of acting as if

825
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Speaker 1: they're going to be walking around waving their guns around,

826
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Speaker 1: but the fact is they're going to be trained. I

827
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Speaker 1: would think that they're not going to take those guns

828
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Speaker 1: out unless it is an absolute last resort, like we've

829
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Speaker 1: seen the with other Northern Territory police I actually feel

830
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Speaker 1: as though it's a little bit disrespectful to anybody that's

831
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Speaker 1: putting their hand up to do the job, to insinuate,

832
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Speaker 1: you know, that anybody that works in a role where

833
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Speaker 1: they are armed, where that is part of the job,

834
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Speaker 1: whether it's with a gun, whether it's with a baton,

835
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Speaker 1: whether it's with you know, caps and spray, that you

836
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: know that they're just going to be rolling out and

837
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Speaker 1: using it sort of willy nilly, and and I hope

838
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Speaker 1: that that is not the case.

839
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Speaker 6: I don't think that it will be the case.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think when we look back at the

841
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory over recent you know, over however many years,

842
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: we've had some terrible incidents, there's no showing away from

843
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: that at all.

844
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Speaker 4: And more guns isn't going to fix that, Katie, So

845
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Speaker 4: what causes?

846
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 6: But we got chancing for.

847
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Speaker 5: Many years under labor of the generational change, and that's

848
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Speaker 5: going to take a long time. And I would hope

849
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Speaker 5: that our elected officials do stick to that, that this

850
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 5: government in power is also doing that as well. But

851
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 5: we get horrific comments through our text lines and calls,

852
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: and over the years have reported on so many horrible

853
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Speaker 5: incidents on our buses, and also having experienced it when

854
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 5: I used to have to ride the bus from school

855
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Speaker 5: and you're kind of tucked in a corner when something's

856
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 5: happening because you don't want to be affected, saying with

857
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: other people that the bus driver just has to keep going.

858
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: And clearly the transit officer model doesn't work anymore. So

859
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 5: what can happen in that short medium turn to protect

860
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Speaker 5: people riding our public buses.

861
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Speaker 4: I think let's be ultimately really clear here, as I've said,

862
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Speaker 4: more guns is not going to make our community safer.

863
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Speaker 4: Are we going to give every woman in the Northern

864
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Speaker 4: Territory a gun? Because that is the biggest problem in

865
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Speaker 4: the territory is the level of domestic and family violence

866
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Speaker 4: that if we want to actually tackle, we actually want

867
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Speaker 4: to see a greater investment in that space so that

868
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Speaker 4: those women are absolutely safe in their community buses. Well,

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Speaker 4: I've heard, I've ridden the bus in Darwin, in our Springs,

870
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Speaker 4: I've heard directly from drivers that you know what, maybe

871
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Speaker 4: an initial step would be actually having interpreters and our

872
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: full leaders in those buses to help mitigate and de escalate,

873
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 4: not carry a gun.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, we'll take a short break.

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Speaker 1: I can see that the panel's not all going to

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Speaker 1: come to agreement on this, and that's the great thing

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Speaker 1: on this show is that you don't need to We're

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Speaker 1: here for everybody's views. Let's take a break. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Mix. You are listening to Mix one oh four

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Speaker 1: nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 6: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, where you've been missing out

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Speaker 1: because we've got Chancey Pake on the line in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: we've got Joe Hersey here in Darwen, and we've got

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola in the studio. Had to do a quick

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Speaker 1: sub in for Matt Cunningham who had to go off

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Speaker 1: and do a live cross now. So there has been

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Speaker 1: a lot happening around the place, but we know that

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Speaker 1: certainly the recovery when it comes to the flood has

890
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Speaker 1: been ongoing and the daily River community will they are

891
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Speaker 1: still in a situation where they're trying to get back home.

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Speaker 6: Really interestingly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we have also received a letter from the

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Speaker 1: King saying that he's profoundly concerned to hear of the

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Speaker 1: devastating havoc that the wet seasons caused across the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory and I'll take our listeners through that letter letter

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Speaker 1: a little later on the show. But Joe, when do

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Speaker 1: we reckon that the residents of the Daily might be

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Speaker 1: able to get home?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Ken Davies has been out there as the

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Speaker 2: Director General of the flood Recovery program along with Tony Fuller.

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Speaker 2: They've been out going to all different areas across the territory.

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Speaker 2: We just have to work out there is some high

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Speaker 2: ground there in Daily River and working with the elders,

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Speaker 2: the community businesses there there is a land that's been identified,

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Speaker 2: and also working with the Catholics. I heard the Bishop

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Speaker 2: talking about the other day, as I've had conversations with

908
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Speaker 2: the bishop as well, and so just making sure some

909
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Speaker 2: of those houses back in the Naiyu community will need

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Speaker 2: to be cleaned up just so that some people can

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Speaker 2: get back there and help with that recovery. But it

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Speaker 2: will be a staged approach that you know, potentially down

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Speaker 2: the track that community will be moved to high ground.

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Speaker 2: We can't keep removing people from their communities like we

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Speaker 2: have been, and we want to make sure that when

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Speaker 2: a flood situation comes that they can stay in their

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Speaker 2: house and stay on their land where they are and

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Speaker 2: look after themselves should they be able to, but on

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Speaker 2: higher ground, and that's being looked at in Plumper as well,

920
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Speaker 2: that there is a higher area there where there are houses,

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Speaker 2: and so it's just a matter of working out getting

922
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Speaker 2: those houses up to speed, getting the power and everything on.

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Speaker 2: Power and water are out there at the moment looking

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Speaker 2: at all those places. So it's happening, but it will

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Speaker 2: be will take time. It will take time, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want to put a time limit on that. But

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Speaker 2: I am very well aware that the residents of Plumper

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Speaker 2: and the residence you absolutely want to get home, as

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Speaker 2: would I if I was in there for some of

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Speaker 2: them when we're out there at a meeting at Bachelor

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Speaker 2: week or two ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, chancey, it'd be like it'd be dreadful

933
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Speaker 1: being in that situation where you don't know just how

934
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Speaker 1: damaged your home is, you don't know what you're facing

935
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Speaker 1: when you get home, and you're still not able.

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Speaker 6: To get home.

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, Katie. I mean, people are deeply connected to

938
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Speaker 4: their homes, their community, their country, and we absolutely need

939
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Speaker 4: to make sure that we're listening to those voices. So

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Speaker 4: I've been on the phone, you know, regularly to Duran Young,

941
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Speaker 4: the member for Daily, extremely hard working local member. He's community.

942
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Speaker 4: He's been in contact with him, He's been out there

943
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Speaker 4: nearly every day talking to him, and you know, he

944
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Speaker 4: has reinforced time and time again that any relocation must

945
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Speaker 4: be led by the community first and foremost. And that's

946
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Speaker 4: absolutely what we need to be doing, is making sure

947
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Speaker 4: and advocating that the governments must work in genuine partnership

948
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Speaker 4: with the community around finding out and working towards the

949
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Speaker 4: right solution.

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Speaker 2: And I can guarantee you, Chancey, those conversations are happening,

951
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Speaker 2: and that's very important. I understand that. And I know

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Speaker 2: that Duran Young is actually going out to Naiu with

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Speaker 2: some other workers and that today just to have a

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Speaker 2: lot over that.

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Speaker 4: That's great, that's great. I just hope it's real and

956
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Speaker 4: it does. It does end up like a Bachelor situation

957
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Speaker 4: where that community was left in the dark.

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Speaker 5: And that's the point that I was going to raise

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Speaker 5: as well as part of this whole conversation is obviously

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Speaker 5: those people from Mayu and Plumper needed to go somewhere.

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Speaker 6: They couldn't live in.

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Speaker 5: A shed for over a mile down at the showgrounds.

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Speaker 5: But obviously the people in Bachelor whose population has doubled

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Speaker 5: and are very concerned about, you know, not being able

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Speaker 5: to house that many people and some issues that have

966
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Speaker 5: been associated with it have been inundating us with those problems.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Joe, You've attended town hall meetings there. People

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Speaker 5: are still not satisfied with what the government has been

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Speaker 5: telling them.

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Speaker 2: No, so I think when we went out there and

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Speaker 2: there were some Obviously you can't go door to door

972
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Speaker 2: and consult with every person in an emergency, but the

973
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Speaker 2: police were consulted, the school was consulted, the Bachelor Institute,

974
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Speaker 2: the shops that were going to be impacted, and I

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Speaker 2: know that there's a young Chinese couple there that have

976
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Speaker 2: absolutely made sure that they've got their shop back up

977
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Speaker 2: and running and open for the first time when I

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Speaker 2: was there a couple of weeks ago. But the conversations

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Speaker 2: are still happening. The police, they do matter, Chancey, but

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Speaker 2: in an emergency sometimes, and I think if you reflect

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Speaker 2: back on when in.

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Speaker 4: The community don't matter in an emergency.

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Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is everybody matters, but sometimes you

984
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Speaker 2: can't consult with every single person that is in that community.

985
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Speaker 2: It is an emergency situation, and like I said to

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Speaker 2: them when I was there. The people from Plumpa and

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Speaker 2: Nayu don't want to be there anymore than those people

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Speaker 2: from Bachelor want them there. But they have to have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of empathy that those people have lost everything,

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Speaker 2: just like I was flooded in Catherine. They have lost everything.

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Speaker 2: It may not be your everything and it may not

992
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Speaker 2: be mine, but it's there everything, and they need to

993
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Speaker 2: just have a little bit more empathy for those people

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Speaker 2: that were flooded there.

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Speaker 6: Look, we are unfortunately going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 6: We've run over time. You can't get us mob to

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Speaker 6: stop talking, that's for sure. Chancey Pika for the Labor Party.

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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure, pleasure and a Joe, Nick Tom, You're

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Speaker 4: an Alice. Give me a shout and I'll take you

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Speaker 4: on a bus.

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Speaker 6: Right Hey, it's on.

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Speaker 2: I'm there soon sooner than you think.

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Speaker 6: Good stuff good, make sure you do, Chancey send us

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Speaker 6: a selfie. Chancey, good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning. The

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Speaker 1: deputy labor leader, Joe.

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Speaker 6: Hearsy the other I thought they said that I heard

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Speaker 6: that today. I do apologize.

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Speaker 4: I've just heard it now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I thought throughout the reshuffle and I thought,

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Speaker 1: oh goodness me, I'd miss something.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, Duran, you are still the deputy.

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Speaker 4: I've just.

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Speaker 1: Joe Hearsy. Always wonderful to catch up with you, the

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Speaker 1: Education Minister. Thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, and thanks listeners.

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Speaker 6: And Kathleen Gazola. You are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 6: four nine's three sixty. It is the Week that was