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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: I am loving Survivor All Stars. If you haven't been

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Speaker 2: catching it, it's the best of the best. These are

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Speaker 2: the best players from past series bringing their a game.

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Speaker 2: Fan favorite, the Godfather, Matt Rogers, well, we all thought

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Speaker 2: he was going to go to the end, but he

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Speaker 2: said goodbye to iland life last night.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Matt, Good morning Amanda. Yes, very very sad

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Speaker 1: day for me today, but I hear a happy day

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Speaker 1: for you, so happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Matt. It was interesting. I was I

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Speaker 2: was stunned that you went because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: at the last minute, Matt's going to win this, He's

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Speaker 2: going to do a big player. It'll all payoff. But

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Speaker 2: as Ak said on the show last night, you've played

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Speaker 2: against the toughest, the fastest, the best, but now you

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Speaker 2: played against the sneakiest. What are you learning watching it back?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of disagree. I don't think it was

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Speaker 1: all that sneaky. It was a pretty obvious move. You know,

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Speaker 1: all of them had opportunities to work with me and

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Speaker 1: flip the aim and have a bit of fun, but

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Speaker 1: none of them wanted to, I guess, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I was pretty watching it back, I was pretty disappointed

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Speaker 1: the way I went out. You know, I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: Rideo gave them the opportunity to blind side me in

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Speaker 1: the last two episodes ago with an idol and went

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Speaker 1: to them and they had the numbers. I wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to hurt anyone, but it would have been a great play,

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Speaker 1: and plus I would have got to come home with

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Speaker 1: an idol and for a souvenir. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: pretty uneventful, really, I thought. But look, you know, Tim

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Speaker 1: will tell whether it was a mistake on their part

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Speaker 1: or not to get rid of me. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the game is about relationships, and unfortunately, all my relationships

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Speaker 1: are on the other side, you know, the other tribe,

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Speaker 1: so I couldn't get to I couldn't get myself to merge,

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Speaker 1: and you know they knew it, so they wanted to

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Speaker 1: get rid of me. But you know, look, if I

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Speaker 1: was in their position, I would have been thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: he's got people over there maybe if I if I

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Speaker 1: work with him, it could help me. But no one

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Speaker 1: had the guts to do it. So I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: you now, I'm amazed at anyone that could actually win

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Speaker 1: that thing.

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Speaker 2: I watched it I think, you know, how dosnyone to

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Speaker 2: even win it? And how do you know it's going

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Speaker 2: on behind your back?

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Speaker 1: It's so hard, Well, you don't. And that's where you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have good relationships. I mean, as much

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Speaker 1: as the game, you know, there's there's challenges and so on, like,

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Speaker 1: it's just not the game. The game is about building relationships.

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Speaker 1: It's what the game's about. It's what it's been about

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Speaker 1: for twenty years. And if you're going there with this

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Speaker 1: mentality that I'm just going to be strong and win everything,

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Speaker 1: it's just not going to work for you. It's about

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Speaker 1: you know, making trends and and you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: build trust with people to appoint that you know, and

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Speaker 1: being able to pick it when when it's time to

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Speaker 1: move or shift. And look, you know, for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Tribe shop came and I thought, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just needed to get myself the tribes. I was playing

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Speaker 1: off the bottom from day one. Got the tribe swap

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Speaker 1: and it got even worse than it was before, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I managed to sort of wrangle my way

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Speaker 1: through a little bit. But you know, look it got

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Speaker 1: to a point where it was six to one and

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Speaker 1: I was. You know, it was an uphill battle, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was disappointing. So who do you think is going

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Speaker 1: to win it? I don't know. I mean, but David's

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Speaker 1: going hard and that's dangerous. So because like, you just

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Speaker 1: got to be so careful of moves you make, because

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Speaker 1: if you make them too big, too soon, you can

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Speaker 1: go home. But at the same time, if you don't

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Speaker 1: make moves, you end up going ahad and sitting on

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Speaker 1: your hand. So yeah, I went into the game with

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Speaker 1: the thought of I just want to watch the game

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Speaker 1: with my family. I actually spoke to Luke Toki, like

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Speaker 1: the King of the Jungle before I went in there,

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Speaker 1: because he played the second time. I just asked some

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Speaker 1: advice of what would you do? And he goes London

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Speaker 1: And I definitely wanted to do when I went in

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Speaker 1: for a second time is make sure that I did

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Speaker 1: some stuff that my family we can sit down and

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Speaker 1: watch and they'd be proud of they'd watch it and

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Speaker 1: we'd have fun watching it. So that was my goal.

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Speaker 1: And look, at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't win, but you know, I was proud of

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Speaker 1: the way that I played, and you happy with the

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Speaker 1: way it all turned out, But who's going to win

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Speaker 1: from here is anybody's guests? So much games do to play,

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Speaker 1: so Josey, thanks for joining us on the show. It's

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Speaker 1: nice to have. Like. I know that you're in the

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Speaker 1: shadow of Joy Clooney, who rang up before to say.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Matt. I was anxious that you weren't going

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Speaker 2: to be the real Matt Rogers because of phony George clo.

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Speaker 1: How do I know that this is the real Matt Rogers?

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Speaker 1: You're the real deal, that's right. Bite him. You'll find out, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Matt.

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Speaker 1: No I